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Britain Goes Smokefree

#1   Caael 

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    Posted 11 June 2007 - 01:35 PM

    http://www.smokefreeengland.co.uk/

    1st July.

    Has it's pro's and cons. I'm for it, because now not only the smokers aren't at a risk, but people around them. Of course, there will definately be those people who break the law, but there always are.

    Discuss.

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      Posted 11 June 2007 - 01:50 PM

      About time. Smokers don't need to exist. I'm not saying they should be killed! I'm saying they should get help. And this just might help them.

      I've got asthma, but both of my parents and one of my two brothers smoke. :) Freaking idiots...

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        Posted 11 June 2007 - 01:56 PM

        Serbia is killing you Aqua. No wii, and lung cancer :)

        It's a good thing for many people, like the people who are trying to stop but cant. Now the cigarettes are illegal and they wont be tempted for another.

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          Posted 11 June 2007 - 06:46 PM

          Lets just hope it doesn't turn out to the same way Prohibition in the US did.

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            Posted 12 June 2007 - 01:18 AM

            Britain is less ..defiant than the US, and there's less of them to cause trouble, so...you know :)

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              Posted 12 June 2007 - 05:06 AM

              Can't wait :)

              Can finally go down the pub without coming out stinking of smoke.

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                Posted 12 June 2007 - 05:15 AM

                I've got asthama (only a mild form of it) but smokers have never really bothered me too much. I guess it's because there are smoking and non-smoking areas.
                Good news in my opinion though.

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                  Posted 12 June 2007 - 05:20 AM

                  Hopefully there wont be riots, or illegal smuggling.

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                    Posted 12 June 2007 - 07:48 AM

                    View PostCaael, on Jun 11 2007, 03:56 PM, said:

                    Serbia is killing you Aqua. No wii, and lung cancer :)

                    It's a good thing for many people, like the people who are trying to stop but cant. Now the cigarettes are illegal and they wont be tempted for another.

                    Ehh...just because their illegal doesn't mean that people won't want them anymore...Just look at drugs. Anyway, people who are addicted to nicotine get some pretty serious mental and physical side effects if they just stop smoking outright. There should be some sort of increased help programs for people who smoke after this.

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                      Posted 12 June 2007 - 08:39 AM

                      Well yeah, I think that's why they're giving them time ( if not much) to start giving up, so they wont get withdrawal symptoms. I'm sure every smoker has at some point at least considered giving up.

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                        Posted 12 June 2007 - 09:13 AM

                        Cigarettes aren't going to become Illegal, they're still going to be sold in shops and your still going to be allowed to smoke them, just not in enclosed public spaces. Basically, if you're in the pub and want a cigarette, you're going to have to go outside.

                        People won't have to stop smoking (or do 'illegal smuggliung' - I have no idea what you're going on about there), they'll just have to smoke outside.

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                          Posted 12 June 2007 - 09:32 AM

                          I didn't look into it, I just saw a TV advert and posted the site. I haven't read anything else on it. I thought they would be illegal and all though. Oh well, no more passive smoking.

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                            Posted 12 June 2007 - 10:02 AM

                            Smoking outside is pretty bad though. It means people can still go to the alley by my school and start smoking.

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                              Posted 12 June 2007 - 10:04 AM

                              Dont lie Me111, I know you do that as well :)

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                                Posted 12 June 2007 - 10:06 AM

                                Oh yeah you know me. :)
                                It does bother me though when I have to go through there. Never mind though, as long as it's being phased out, that's good enough for me.

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                                  Posted 12 June 2007 - 10:09 AM

                                  I dont think there's a single person in the world who hasn't been in contact with cigarette smoke some time in their life.

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                                    Posted 12 June 2007 - 10:13 AM

                                    I just hate the smell. That's why I'm so in favour of the ban.

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                                      Posted 12 June 2007 - 10:20 AM

                                      Same, it's sick. I used to proper hate smokers, I wanted them all to die of cancer because I thought they were all so dirty. I'm not like that anymore. I just think its bad.

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                                        Posted 12 June 2007 - 11:10 AM

                                        The only real way that it'll effect people is Restuarants and Pubs, And most restaurants have Smoking/No smoking areas already.

                                        In pubs it'll be nice though. Most pubs allow people to smoke at the bar, or they'll have a small 'No smoking' area somewhere. I think its better to have the whole area No Smoking, and then just send the smokers outside.

                                        The reason they've been mentioning giving up schemes a lot is because it is a good time to give up. I imagine that in most families where a person smokes, the only place they can currently do that is either outside, or somewhere like a pub. By removing the pub, the only place they can smoke is outside - not really a nice prospect if it's chucking it down with rain. Therefore its a good idea to give up now.

                                        A complete ban on smoking would be ridiculous.

                                        Here is the information about the new law:

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                                        A quick guide to the new Smoke-Free Law

                                        The new law is being introduced to protect employees and the public from the harmful effects of secondhand smoke.

                                        Key points are:
                                        • From 1 July 2007 it will be against the law to smoke in virtually all enclosed and substantially enclosed public places and workplaces. See below for definitions.


                                        • Public transport and work vehicles used by more than one person will also need to be smokefree.


                                        • No-smoking signs will have to be displayed in all smokefree premises and vehicles.


                                        • Staff smoking rooms and indoor smoking areas will no longer be allowed, so anyone who wants to smoke will have to go outside.


                                        • Managers of smokefree premises and vehicles will have legal responsibilities to prevent people from smoking.


                                        • If you are uncertain where you can or can't smoke, just look for the no-smoking signs or ask someone in charge.


                                        Penalties and fines for breaking the smokefree law

                                        If you don't comply with the new smokefree law, you will be committing a criminal offence. The fixed penalty notices and maximum fine for each offence are:
                                        • Smoking in smokefree premises or work vehicles: a fixed penalty notice of £50 (reduced to £30 if paid in 15 days) imposed on the person smoking. Or a maximum fine of £200 if prosecuted and convicted by a court.

                                        • Failure to display no-smoking signs: a fixed penalty notice of £200 (reduced to £150 if paid in 15 days) imposed on whoever manages or occupies the smokefree premises or vehicle. Or a maximum fine of £1000 if prosecuted and convicted by a court.

                                        • Failing to prevent smoking in a smokefree place: a maximum fine of £2500 imposed on whoever manages or controls the smokefree premises or vehicle if prosecuted and convicted by a court. There is no fixed penalty notice for this offence.
                                        Local councils will be responsible for enforcing the new law in England.

                                        A telephone line (0800 587 166 7) will also be in operation from 1 July 2007 to enable members of the public to report possible breaches of the law. This information will be passed to local councils to follow-up as appropriate.

                                        Definition of enclosed and substantially enclosed

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                                        Premises will be considered 'enclosed' if they have a ceiling or roof and (except for doors, windows or passageways) are wholly enclosed either on a permanent or temporary basis.


                                        Premises will be considered 'substantially enclosed' if they have a ceiling or roof, but have an opening in the walls, which is less than half the total area of the walls. The area of the opening does not include doors, windows or any other fittings that can be opened or shut.

                                        Businesses and organisations should contact their local council if they require further guidance on whether their premises are 'enclosed' or 'substantially enclosed'.


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                                          Posted 12 June 2007 - 11:20 AM

                                          View PostCaael, on Jun 11 2007, 09:56 PM, said:

                                          Serbia is killing you Aqua. No wii, and lung cancer :)


                                          Too true that, too true...

                                          View PostMe111, on Jun 11 2007, 09:56 PM, said:

                                          I've got asthama (only a mild form of it) but smokers have never really bothered me too much. I guess it's because there are smoking and non-smoking areas.
                                          Good news in my opinion though.


                                          To tell the truth, they don't really bother me either. Not only does most of my family smoke, but so do most of my friends, so when I go to a pub with them it's always full of smoke, but I don't find it too bad for my health or anything. Still, I'm all for banning cigarettes.


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