Censorship The good? The bad? The ugly?
#1
Posted 25 October 2007 - 05:29 PM
I could write up a big long rant about the bad of censorship but also address the good of it, but then there might not be a whole lot of room for discussion. ;) But I guess I'll start off by saying that artists hate censorship. There just isn't as much emotional value of a painting or photo of war if you censor out the red blood, or if you paste bleeps over the profanity of an angry song. (so you don't understand it)
How about leaving a nation in the dark over the information of a war to "protect" them? Leaving us ignorant somehow makes us safe?
Have you ever had any experiences of censorship? What's your opinions?
#2
Posted 25 October 2007 - 05:31 PM
#3
Posted 25 October 2007 - 05:42 PM
A news cooperation like Fox News, which has a conserative bias, should be able to censor what they want, it's their right... but having the slogan "Fair and Balance" is just wrong.
#4
Posted 25 October 2007 - 05:45 PM
Shouldn't it be the other way around? At least according to my morals, the human body is a beautiful thing that should be celebrated as long as it's not totally erotic. Now, I'm not saying that we should go ahead and throw a nude parade through the streets every Saturday or anything, but it should be much more accepted than violence is.
And look at it this way. In American video games, decapitation and murder will get you an M rated game (17+). Full frontal nudity (even if it isn't presented sexually) gets you an AO (stands for Adults Only, 18+) and won't even be sold in pretty much any retailer. That just doesn't sound right, and I think it gives a false message that says the human body is a dirty thing. In a world that's so obsessed with protecting the innocent children, I think that saying that "the human body is a bad thing" will do more harm to kids than good. Nobody was killed by looking at somebody naked. Unless they weren't paying attention and got ran over by a car since they were staring at a girl's rack or something.
#5
Posted 25 October 2007 - 05:59 PM
Politicians and the media are a load of crap, if you believe then it's your own fault when they inevitably betray your trust
#6
Posted 25 October 2007 - 06:15 PM
#7
Posted 26 October 2007 - 10:17 AM
Censoring nudity is just stupid. You might as well walk around with a black card over your crotch ( and chest in a girl's case) for the rest of your life if it's so bad. Basically I agree with what WD said about it.
#8
Posted 26 October 2007 - 11:43 AM
Wind Dude, on Oct 25 2007, 07:45 PM, said:
Shouldn't it be the other way around? At least according to my morals, the human body is a beautiful thing that should be celebrated as long as it's not totally erotic. Now, I'm not saying that we should go ahead and throw a nude parade through the streets every Saturday or anything, but it should be much more accepted than violence is.
And look at it this way. In American video games, decapitation and murder will get you an M rated game (17+). Full frontal nudity (even if it isn't presented sexually) gets you an AO (stands for Adults Only, 18+) and won't even be sold in pretty much any retailer. That just doesn't sound right, and I think it gives a false message that says the human body is a dirty thing. In a world that's so obsessed with protecting the innocent children, I think that saying that "the human body is a bad thing" will do more harm to kids than good. Nobody was killed by looking at somebody naked. Unless they weren't paying attention and got ran over by a car since they were staring at a girl's rack or something.
laharl the slayer, on Oct 25 2007, 07:59 PM, said:
Politicians and the media are a load of crap, if you believe then it's your own fault when they inevitably betray your trust
Platinum Sun, on Oct 25 2007, 08:15 PM, said:
Caael, on Oct 26 2007, 12:17 PM, said:
Censoring nudity is just stupid. You might as well walk around with a black card over your crotch ( and chest in a girl's case) for the rest of your life if it's so bad. Basically I agree with what WD said about it.
From these posts, I'm getting the implication that you guys favor pushing "as much as you can" in not censoring anything and letting it be available to whomever. The reason why these things are censored in the first place is, at least in part, not to encourage them. If there weren't any restrictions, you lead people, especially young children, to believe that sex, violence, even swear words are all right and acceptable (or if not that, then these things are something that society finds acceptable and ok). You need to have some discipline and a tight hand around these issues. I'm not favoring ignorance, I'm favoring teaching and educating people that there are limits to what is and isn't acceptable.
#9
Posted 26 October 2007 - 11:57 AM
#10
Posted 26 October 2007 - 03:49 PM
#11
Posted 26 October 2007 - 06:40 PM
#12
Posted 26 October 2007 - 08:28 PM
Golden Legacy, on Oct 27 2007, 03:43 AM, said:
I'm with GL.
Censorship is a good thing, except the Media selecting what should and shouldn't get told/shown.
You guys are ranting how little kids love sex and swearing. Maybe I'm still a cynic but really guys. Grow the **** up. The world is a ****y place where people get raped and little boys get touched. People experiment new weapons on civilians and corperations only exist to make a profit. Sportstars and famous people are no longer interested in being role models, only the money in their pocket.
But the world also has some awsome things. I love my music, I love playing soccer and Ulty. I love succeding, and I love hanging out with my friends. And I love being in Love.
I keep hearing this whole point about nudity and adult themes. Did anyone here see Wedding Crashers? It got an M rating down here. M has no restrctions on who can see it, MA you MUST be 15 to see it. So many little kids where in there watching a arseload of nudity and sex talk. I'd be more comfortable watching American Pie or Harold and Kumar with my family then Wedding Crashers. And both those got an MA. Sure, the world is losing its values and morals but for you guys to be condemning censorship, I just really don't know what to say.
#13
Posted 26 October 2007 - 09:23 PM
Caael, on Oct 26 2007, 10:49 PM, said:
spot on, you just missed how a lot of parents actually encourage their children to develop into vermin.
One nice man i overheard was quite proud that his 13 year old son was a "smack head"
censorship really has no effect at all on the leser race.
#15
Posted 26 October 2007 - 10:49 PM
But there's also a point where it seems like covering up some things seems like an ignorant bliss. Oh my god, there's actually POVERTY in the world? People bleed and die and women are raped? You can't just sit back and cover things up, and tell kids that we live in a candy-coated world.
#16
Posted 27 October 2007 - 12:22 AM
Wind Dude, on Oct 27 2007, 02:49 PM, said:
But there's also a point where it seems like covering up some things seems like an ignorant bliss. Oh my god, there's actually POVERTY in the world? People bleed and die and women are raped? You can't just sit back and cover things up, and tell kids that we live in a candy-coated world.
So you picking on how nudity and sex are depicted as opposed to violence?
#17
Posted 27 October 2007 - 12:26 AM
However, the world could certainly do with less violence. ;)
#18
Posted 27 October 2007 - 01:37 AM
#19
Posted 28 October 2007 - 01:41 PM
That, and remove the cencorship of porn and swear words! D:<
#20
Posted 29 October 2007 - 12:06 AM
#21
Posted 29 October 2007 - 09:42 PM
Hardcore porn (sex), on the other hand... I wouldn't want that to be in an easily accessible place on television.
#23
Posted 30 October 2007 - 04:18 PM
#24
Posted 30 October 2007 - 04:48 PM
Wind Dude, on Oct 30 2007, 03:42 AM, said:
sortof, it's a "lad's mag", there's rival one too called ' Nuts' or something, they were pretty crap, and seemed proud that could shove pictures of the same three topless girls in your face every week whilst talking about 'lad' things like cars and sports. pretty **** really.
#25
Posted 01 November 2007 - 12:41 AM
#26
Posted 09 November 2007 - 12:55 AM
As for profanity censoring, I have to say that I'm in between this as well. On one hand, I find it pretty sad that there's 5th graders now who know all the swear words and things that a highschool senior would've only known back in 2000. Tha's due to all of the things they've seen and heard. Censorship would help keep that from happening. On the other hand, it's also up to the parents. You could censor just about everything on the news and tv, and if the parents don't care and just shoot off curses left and right, the kid is still going to end up like he would without all that censoring. On top of that, good tv shows, and songs, and even movies have been ruined due to censoring.
Basically, some censoring should be allowed. But too much is a bad thing.
#27
Posted 09 November 2007 - 10:06 AM
#28
Posted 09 November 2007 - 03:12 PM
"Little Johnny shot someone after playing the halo demo!"
"Well, he had to be 18 to get on, so he lied. It's not our fault."
It's pretty sad that everyone is trying to avoid responsibility, and that people will seize the opportunity to sue when they don't. But that's a different topic, I guess.
As for censorship, very public things should be censored, like billboard or something, but things that you can choose to see/hear should have a much lesser degree of censorship. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't be unexpectedly surprised by a swear or nudity.
#29
Posted 09 November 2007 - 04:40 PM
#30
Posted 09 November 2007 - 05:45 PM
FlamingDuck, on Nov 9 2007, 01:12 PM, said:
Yeah, you said that a lot better than I could. But I agree with that.
#31
Posted 13 November 2007 - 06:47 AM
I prefer Nuts though.
Anyway, in our last ethics lesson we were discussing censorship. our teacher played us this song by Eminem, called 'Kim': it was really horrible, the whole song was kind of like the soundtrack to a movie, and it was just him screaming at his wife, swearing at her, abusing her. and her terrified screams and at the end this horrible choking sound as he strangled her.
We were discussing whether this should be acceptable to broadcast to young kids? I mean, fair enough if its some obscure underground band that no ones heard of who put this music up on myspace, but when Eminem puts this song on his best selling album thats in the shops, knowing full well that young people are going to listen to it, should he be allowed to do that? should that song be banned or taken off the album?
Albeit a 'clean' version of the album was released in which the song was taken off the album, but lets be honest, all the chavs who like eminem aren't gonna buy that version. So should it have been banned in the first place? for the good of society?
You can listen to it here:
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=-sNeTCdleg4
*Contains swearing*
#33
Posted 13 November 2007 - 10:47 AM
#36
Posted 13 November 2007 - 03:58 PM
.eugine, on Nov 13 2007, 09:40 PM, said:
not necessarily the case, such labels are too inconsistant.
you get poppy albums that might say sh!tonce in the entire album, yet i've got albums by Chilren of Bodom and Norther that have swears in the song names on the case nevermind the actual lyrics that get no such warning.
#38
Posted 14 November 2007 - 01:42 PM
#39
Posted 14 November 2007 - 03:17 PM
#41
Posted 18 November 2007 - 05:33 AM
I bought Bioshock on wednesday, and 18 rated game on amazon. Nobody stopped me, there was no message to tell me to verify my age, I logged in and logged out a happy person.
#44
Posted 20 November 2007 - 06:06 PM
Can't believe your parents allow you to shop all you want on the internet though >>. Lucky you.
If was paypal, then I would have said the system at Amazon was broken...
#45
Posted 21 November 2007 - 01:25 AM
#46
Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:46 PM
1. The word *** is rarely used condensendally or as an insult. When people on GSSF use the word *** they are referring to its slang meaning which is homosexual. If it isn't causing harmed, why should it be censored?
2. In being ***, I am a bit personally angered that it is censored. Censorship usually is done on words that or immoral or wrong which are categories that *** does not fall under. Now I am sure that you do not mean this by censoring ***, so what is the point?
Please explain to me the importance of its censorship, for I see its censorship as one of the more negative things in this forum.
#47
Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:49 PM
#48
Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:51 PM
#49
Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:53 PM
#50
Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:58 PM
Split Infinity, on Jan 30 2008, 12:53 AM, said:
You are correct, but love and attraction are two completely different things. I mean you can be attracted to a girl without being in love with her, right Split?
#51
Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:59 PM
#53
Posted 30 January 2008 - 12:05 AM
My point is, how do you know that your 'attraction' isn't just 'too young to know'?
#54
Posted 30 January 2008 - 05:47 AM
#55
Posted 30 January 2008 - 07:17 PM
Split Infinity, on Jan 30 2008, 01:05 AM, said:
My point is, how do you know that your 'attraction' isn't just 'too young to know'?
Because attraction is obvious, while their is grey area in "falling in love".
.eugine, on Jan 30 2008, 06:47 AM, said:
Sounds like a plan, .eugine.
#56
Posted 30 January 2008 - 10:24 PM
killercoz, on Jan 29 2008, 09:46 PM, said:
1. The word *** is rarely used condensendally or as an insult. When people on GSSF use the word *** they are referring to its slang meaning which is homosexual. If it isn't causing harmed, why should it be censored?
I use *** as an insult all the time. I just don't use it on here. Like when my WoW account got hacked I said to my brothers: "Well thats ***..." and my brothers call me *** all the time because It ticks me off.
I don't really care if its censored(sp) or not. Doesn't make much difference to me.
EDIT: Before you all start calling me insensitive and stuff, I DO have 1 Bisexual freind :/
#58
Posted 31 January 2008 - 12:32 AM
#59
Posted 31 January 2008 - 12:00 PM
DarkSword, on Jan 31 2008, 04:24 AM, said:
I don't really care if its censored(sp) or not. Doesn't make much difference to me.
EDIT: Before you all start calling me insensitive and stuff, I DO have 1 Bisexual freind :/
Kids your age always say they're bi because they just want attention. They're not, they just feel left out.
#61
Posted 31 January 2008 - 07:42 PM
#62
Posted 31 January 2008 - 08:01 PM
Skidzorz, on Jan 31 2008, 08:42 PM, said:
No there aren't. There are people who are *** and won't fully admit it, have a disorted reality of what attraction is, or are unsure, harmonal teenagers. Skidzorz, please stop talking about topics you have no knowledge on. Is a pretty well agreed upon theory by psychologists everywhere.
#63
Posted 31 January 2008 - 08:24 PM
And don't even try to say they are psychologists so they know mroe than me. There is ALWAYS exceptions to every rule.
#65
Posted 01 February 2008 - 10:01 AM
#66
Posted 01 February 2008 - 02:27 PM
Skidzorz, on Jan 31 2008, 09:24 PM, said:
And don't even try to say they are psychologists so they know mroe than me. There is ALWAYS exceptions to every rule.
I could go through all of your posts and point it out to you, but I don't feel like reading 1100 posts of spam. I can say you don't know something when you don't know it. There are people who are in the DILLUSION of being attracted to both sexes. I am sure you know one person who is a false bisexual person, and I still don't see why I shouldn't tell you when youre absollutely wrong. On a note that has relevance to censorship, Max said that the word "gay" will no longer be censored. i am extremely happy over this decision. GAY gay gay gay gay gay gay gay and of course, gay.
#67
Posted 01 February 2008 - 05:18 PM
Gay. And no that wasn't an insult.
#68
Posted 01 February 2008 - 06:35 PM
#69
Posted 01 February 2008 - 06:40 PM
But technically, you haven't actuall met Killer before.
#70
Posted 04 February 2008 - 06:08 PM
Split Infinity, on Feb 1 2008, 07:35 PM, said:
I respect others opinions, whether it seems that way or not and I am an arrogant person. Although I really don't see my actions as childish, as arrogance isn't really a infantile trait.
#71
Posted 04 February 2008 - 06:10 PM
#72
Posted 04 February 2008 - 06:50 PM
Skidzorz, on Feb 4 2008, 07:10 PM, said:
Exactly
#73
Posted 04 February 2008 - 06:53 PM
Still, stay in the five word limit alright? (omg, I should really stop moderating, but it's just ingrained in me!)
Anyway, why is b**ch censored on most internet forums, but not on television?
#75
Posted 04 February 2008 - 10:32 PM
.eugine, on Feb 4 2008, 07:53 PM, said:
Still, stay in the five word limit alright? (omg, I should really stop moderating, but it's just ingrained in me!)
Anyway, why is b**ch censored on most internet forums, but not on television?
Thanks .eugine, bit*hing was said in the kids movie antz foir some reason.
Skidzorz, on Feb 4 2008, 08:01 PM, said:
Split told me to "grow up", so I was telling him thta I am not childish, not you. I am pretty stubborn as well though.
#76
Posted 05 February 2008 - 03:13 AM
#77
Posted 05 February 2008 - 05:39 PM
>__>
#78
Posted 05 February 2008 - 05:41 PM
Maxxx, help us out. We need to be able to say d!ck.
#79
Posted 06 February 2008 - 01:12 AM
killercoz, on Feb 1 2008, 12:27 PM, said:
Coz, how can you claim to know more about Bisexuality than others by saying that they don't know anything about it when you yourself are only attracted to one gender.
#80
Posted 06 February 2008 - 11:02 AM
Oh ya, on all the new South Park's, f**k, c**t, and every other word is now uncensored.