[Golden Legacy]

This is a very minor suggestion, but I think the name for the forum, "Other Games" could be changed - it sounds a bit awkward as it is, and I think it would be more inviting/catchy if it was renamed something like "Video Games", "Video Game Discussion", etc. (any other suggestions?)


EDIT: Seeing the resulting discussion, I'm also making this topic to be general suggestions for changes to the current "Other Games" forum and its subforums, whether it has to do with changing the name or merging the forums/keeping them the way they are.

[Split Infinity]

Agreed. I think it's fairly obvious that there are 'Other' forums for discussing Golden Sun.

[Ironsight]

Good idea. It does sound kind of strange now that I think about it.

[Golden Legacy]

So what do people think? The ones I've come up with are:

Video Games
Video Game Discussion

Would people be content with these? I'll put up a poll and have people vote on which one they prefer most.

[Split Infinity]

Video Games would achieve the desired effect with a minimal change of name.

[Golden Legacy]

I agree with that. Max, if you're reading this, I would go for the change ("Other Games" to "Video Games") if you have the time - unless other members have any objections, which I can't imagine why.

[The Sea King]

*agrees also*

[Aquamarine]

Wait, you have to give me a few hours to think about this because this is SO IMPORTANT, we mustn't make even the slightest mistake!

[pHantOm]

Why not just change it to Smash brothers and Fire Emblem discussion. Only 2 threads even regularly posted in.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Sounds like a good idea to me! A good way to show new members that we're not only discussing Golden Sun. Maybe a better idea was if the gaming section became much bigger, cause the PC gaming and hand held gaming mini forums are often overlooked?

[Someone Else]

pHantOm, on Dec 16 2007, 07:12 AM, said:

Why not just change it to Smash brothers and Fire Emblem discussion. Only 2 threads even regularly posted in.

Zing!

If merging all the video games forums into one is pointless, wouldn't this be just as pointless?

[Golden Legacy]

Water Dude, on Dec 16 2007, 10:29 AM, said:

Wait, you have to give me a few hours to think about this because this is SO IMPORTANT, we mustn't make even the slightest mistake!

Aqua, yes it's a very small change, but that subtle difference can go a long way in attracting more posts/users to that specific sub-forum.

Fire Dude, on Dec 16 2007, 11:44 AM, said:

Sounds like a good idea to me! A good way to show new members that we're not only discussing Golden Sun. Maybe a better idea was if the gaming section became much bigger, cause the PC gaming and hand held gaming mini forums are often overlooked?

What do you mean by making it "bigger"?

[Split Infinity]

By 'combining' it with the miniforums, thereby increasing its 'size'. :D

[Someone Else]

The only thing I'm worried about is that PC games would be pushed down the page by the console games and generic games... so despite what I said before I think it should be left the way it is with the forums split.

[Split Infinity]

I still think handhelds should be merged with consoles at the very least.

[Golden Legacy]

All right, I edited the first post to indicate this topic to be used for suggestions about both the name and the structure of the current "Other Games" forum.

That said, how would people feel about the possibility of having just a Nintendo forum (DS, Wii, Gamecube, GBA), a Microsoft forum (Xbox 360, Xbox), a Sony forum (Playstation 3/2/1, PSP), and a PC/Other forum (PC gaming, Macs, Linux, other systems)?

(Just throwing the idea out there)


EDIT: Actually, I just thought of what I think is a pretty reasonable compromise - what if we had just Console/Handheld Gaming, and PC Gaming? This way, we can ensure that the PC games don't get overlooked - also, we would get rid of the "general" gaming forum we have, and just have Console/Handheld Gaming and PC Gaming appear as two separate categories under "Entertainment".

What do people think?

[Split Infinity]

Nah, it's way too big a forum to itself be filed under another forum.

[Golden Legacy]

I meant the "Entertainment" section of the forums, where there's TV/Movies, Music, Books/Manga. It would essentially replace the current "Other Games" forum in the same position, except there would be two (Console/Handheld Gaming and PC Gaming) instead.

[Split Infinity]

The Other Games forum completely dominates the Entertainment forum in terms of size, GL. You simply can't attach the two.

[Golden Legacy]

It would even it up with the "GSSF Square" section of the forums though.

[Quacnar]

Sounds complicated

[Split Infinity]

Oh wait, you mean the Entertainment section. I was thinking of something else. That actually sounds like a pretty good idea, yeah.

[pHantOm]

Spam King, on Dec 16 2007, 11:34 PM, said:

I still think handhelds should be merged with consoles at the very least.

Agreed

and like WD said, leave the PC games seperate. Only a minor few play them and would be bumped off the first page.

[Someone Else]

Okay, want to clarify. Take out Other Games and instead add seperate Console/Handheld Gaming, and PC Gaming forums under the Entertainment section.

The only problem with that is I'm worried Entertainment would feel cluttered, and you really can't not have a General Gaming forum. But no plan is perfect, and I do like the idea.

This plan gets the WD Seal of Approval as long as it's made clear that you really have to have a General Gaming forum.

[Golden Legacy]

I actually agree with you about the need for a General Gaming forum, but how do we implement it? Any ideas?

EDIT: all right, I have one, but I'm not quite sure if it's possible. Now, as before, we have the Entertainment section of the forums - in place of the current "Other Games", we will have two: Console/Handheld Gaming, and PC Gaming - so far so good?

Now, from there, we create a sub-forum called "General Video Game Discussion" (or some other similar name) - however, both the Console/Handheld Gaming and PC Gaming forums link to the same General Video Gaming Discussion sub-forum. In other words, from the main forum page, you can click on either Console/Handheld or PC Gaming, but in each of those forums, the "General Gaming" forum will be on top - and it's the same one for both.

Is that clear/reasonable?

EDIT2: If anyone has any other ideas or suggestions, by all means, please go right ahead.

[Ironsight]

I think this is a good idea. Go right on ahead GL.

[Someone Else]

I like that idea, but I don't know if it's possible. Max or someone familiar with IPB will have to say.

[Eugine]

Don't think it's possible, but not 100% sure.

How about changing "Other Games" to "Video Games Discussions", and merge the Handheld and Console Gaming forums? You get everything you just described GL, just inverted.

[Golden Legacy]

DarkSword, on Dec 18 2007, 01:24 AM, said:

I think this is a good idea. Go right on ahead GL.

Wind Dude, on Dec 18 2007, 01:52 AM, said:

I like that idea, but I don't know if it's possible. Max or someone familiar with IPB will have to say.

I can't do it myself (only admins can), but I'll forward the idea to Max, assuming he hasn't already read through it.

.eugine, on Dec 18 2007, 02:09 AM, said:

Don't think it's possible, but not 100% sure.

How about changing "Other Games" to "Video Games Discussions", and merge the Handheld and Console Gaming forums? You get everything you just described GL, just inverted.

Well yes, that would work too - but we're also trying to visibly even up the Entertainment section of the forums - having Console/Handheld + PC Gaming on the main forum page (both of them replacing the current "Other Games" forum) would have it more consistent/visually more appealing with "GSSF Square" and such - not to mention, also, that it exposes each forum more and would encourage activity (especially for the PC gaming one, which doesn't have a lot of activity as it is).

[Max]

IPB uses a heirarchy system for forum structure, and I don't believe it is possible to have a single subforum appear in two parent forums. If anyone finds something on the internet that says otherwise, I'd be happy to take a look and consider that option.

Given that that is not possible, is the consensus that "Other Games" should be changed to "Video Games," and the Console and Handheld subforums merged? I think that may be the simplest and most effective change, but I'll wait for some feedback before going through with anything.

P.S. And to all you non-moderators, you are getting a taste of what goes on behind the scenes in the moderator forum when we consider changes to the structure and organization of the forums.

[Split Infinity]

What you're saying makes sense, but how can two divisions of video gaming be further divided in video gaming itself? It doesn't make sense in that regard.

[Max]

Not sure what you are saying SK, but it would look like this:

Entertainment Section
- Video Games
- Console/Handheld Gaming
- PC Gaming
- TV & Movies
- Music
- Books & Manga

[Golden Legacy]

Max, on Dec 19 2007, 10:15 AM, said:

Not sure what you are saying SK, but it would look like this:

Entertainment Section
- Video Games
- Console/Handheld Gaming
- PC Gaming
- TV & Movies
- Music
- Books & Manga

Yeah, now the thing is the Entertainment section is overloaded and still imbalanced with the rest of the forum.

Max, if it's not possible to create the same sub-forum for two forums before it (if that makes any sense - refer to previous postings), is it possible to have one of those sub-forums link to the other? i.e.

Entertainment Section
- Console/Handheld Gaming; sub-forum General Video Game Discussion
- PC Gaming; sub-forum (same description) that redirects you (^) to the above sub-forum
- Anime, TV, & Movies (while we're at it, let's add in "Anime" since it's a major appeal")
- Music
- Books & Manga

[Split Infinity]

GL, read post #31.

[Max]

GL, I'm afraid not. And I'm sorry, but the indentation in my last post didn't go through but I didn't notice. The structure is supposed to be:

Entertainment Section
- Video Games - Subs: Console/Handheld Gaming, PC Gaming
- TV & Movies
- etc.

[Nemphtis]

Cool, a topic on how to further murder the already butt-****ed gaming section.

Oh, and can anyone say deja vu?

[Golden Legacy]

All right, so I went perusing a few other forums (yes, I just used 'peruse' in a sentence), and I noticed an interesting structure for the Video Games forum that seems both effective and popular.


Entertainment
- Video Games subforums Nintendo (Wii, DS, Gamecube, GBA, etc.), Sony (Playstation 3, PSP, Playstation 2, Playstation 1), Microsoft (Xbox 360, Xbox, PC Games).
- TV & Movies
etc.

Now, before I get people going against this, just hear me out. Yes, I realize that the allegience of this forum leans towards Nintendo. Notice how I use the word 'leans', however. If there's anything that I've come to realize in terms of gaming, it's that people actually have played consoles covering the entire range, and in surprisingly large numbers too.

In this way, I feel it would be best - not only do we cover a more diverse gaming interest, but we also (and here's the KEY point) encourage it; if people see that these new subforums covering other consoles/gaming appears, it will give way and simply encourage more posting/discussion. And that would make for both more diversified and many more discussions, which won't exclude anyone.

And of course, we still have the Video Game "general forum" for all Multiformat discussions.

[Drizzy Drake]

That is definetly the best idea yet. This is used on many a forum.

[Someone Else]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 28 2008, 04:49 PM, said:

All right, so I went perusing a few other forums (yes, I just used 'peruse' in a sentence), and I noticed an interesting structure for the Video Games forum that seems both effective and popular.
Entertainment
- Video Games subforums Nintendo (Wii, DS, Gamecube, GBA, etc.), Sony (Playstation 3, PSP, Playstation 2, Playstation 1), Microsoft (Xbox 360, Xbox, PC Games).
- TV & Movies

Putting PC games under Microsoft is fail. If you're going to do it that way, give it it's own sub-forum.

[Drizzy Drake]

But this will actually make MORE subforums.

Sony
Microsoft
Nintendo
PC
Main

[Ironsight]

What is main supposed to be?
Otherwise, I agree with WD and Skidz, PC gaming shouldn't be put under Microsoft. It should have its own subforum.

[Someone Else]

Yeah but PCs aren't really "Microsoft" per se.

[Eugine]

My suggestion still stands:

Video games -
- Nintendo related discussions
- Other discussions

[Golden Legacy]

Wind Dude, on Jan 28 2008, 10:50 PM, said:

Putting PC games under Microsoft is fail. If you're going to do it that way, give it it's own sub-forum.

Skidzorz, on Jan 28 2008, 10:51 PM, said:

But this will actually make MORE subforums.

Sony
Microsoft
Nintendo
PC
Main

DarkSword, on Jan 28 2008, 11:00 PM, said:

What is main supposed to be?
Otherwise, I agree with WD and Skidz, PC gaming shouldn't be put under Microsoft. It should have its own subforum.

Point taken, though I do think it could work either way (simply because the "Microsoft" subforum would only focus on two consoles, plus perhaps the Xbox Live features and Arcade, I felt integrating PC gaming into that would give it more activity). But again, either way works.

DS, "main" just represents all the topics that are outside the subforums, in the "general discussion area". Basically, if you click on "Other Games" right now, all the topics you see on the bottom, without clicking on Console, Handheld, or PC Gaming, that's the "main" or "general" discussion.

Eugine, that suggestion is solid too, I hadn't considered it. It might provide a better transition as we rehaul the Video Games forum.

[Mallick]

Can't a moderator suggest this crap in the moderator forum?

[Split Infinity]

You'd rather leave the decision to them than give the members a say?

[Mallick]

the whole microsoft / sony / nintendo thing is retarded, but in general, yes.

[Someone Else]

It is a bit, particularly when the forum leans towards Nintendo. But then again, this way discussion for other non-Nintendo games won't be pushed down.

[Mallick]

what's non-nintendo?

[Blitz Ace]

Other Video Games?

lol

Doesn't really matter.

[Golden Legacy]

.eugine, on Jan 28 2008, 11:15 PM, said:

My suggestion still stands:

Video games -
- Nintendo related discussions
- Other discussions

Come to think of it, this is just as good an idea, and I also nominate this.

[Drizzy Drake]

I vote it either stays the same, or does Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Other. That Nintendo Games, Other jsut seems too one sided and would get really crowded.

[Ironsight]

Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, and PC subforums are my vote.

[Eugine]

I wasn't expecting my suggestion to be taking into consideration cuz it's really biased, but I nominate my suggestion also if we think we need a change.

I honestly think the way it is now is better than everything suggested =)
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

[Split Infinity]

More like if it ain't broke, and somebody fixed it, unfix it.

I liked it the way it originally was.

[Golden Legacy]

How was it originally, I don't remember.

And I honestly favor the sub-forum breakdown, but I think it was incorrectly done. Console and Handheld discussions are simply not "encouraging" enough. I'm certain that having Nintendo and Non-Nintendo subforums (or Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft/PC ones) does just that - it gives a visual cue and a more reasonable basis for people to post.

I personally favor it. At the very least, let's rename it to "Video Game Discussion", because that is most definitely more inviting than "Other Games".

[TheEnglishman]

Apart from calling it 'Video game discussion' I wouldn't change a think. It doesn't need to be broken down anymore than it already does.

[Toasty]

I'm satisfied with what we have right now. The only other suggestion I like is the Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo/PC thing. Otherwise it's either one sided, or un organised.

[Someone Else]

The Handheld-gaming sub-forum isn't needed, that's for sure.

[Split Infinity]

Is that still there? I thought they merged it ages ago! Geez...

[Golden Legacy]

This is my opinion from four years of experience and seeing what works/doesn't work in a forum setting, and I honestly think the Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft would be very successful, it's the sort of forum structure that thrives especially on a forum based on a video game. Not to mention, with the recent influx of new members (presumably on Isaac's inclusion as an Assist Trophy in Brawl), I really think it would be prudent to do so, and to do so now.

[Split Infinity]

Yeah guys, let's be honest with ourselves. PC Gaming is Microsoft, it always has been and will probably stay that way for a long time. The minority of other games can go into the main forum.

The only problem here is that we'll have to move every single topic into their respective catagories again, which is not only time-consuming, but probably requires a specific knowledge of the industry.

[Someone Else]

Having PC gaming under a "Microsoft" forum isn't very user-friendly. Most people don't look at a PC game and think "ooh, it's a Microsoft game!!".

And don't forget, Mac games DO exist, and last time I checked Microsoft hasn't bought Apple.

[Split Infinity]

Know any good Mac-only games?

[Someone Else]

...no. But they must be out there! XP

At any rate, there's still plenty of games out that are on Macs as well as PCs. Like WoW.

[Split Infinity]

Multi-platform games can go into the main forum, just like they always have.

[Someone Else]

Would you really put WoW in the main game forum?

[Split Infinity]

No, I'd put it in Microsoft. I just said that to silence you. :D

[Someone Else]

But WoW isn't Microsoft. :D

[Split Infinity]

Let me put it this way. Do you consider Apple to be a dominant gaming corporation?

[Someone Else]

Point. But I still go by it isn't user-friendly. I certainly didn't go into a store and buy Crysis, RollerCoaster Tycoon, The Witcher, or Neverwinter Nights and thinking "Microsoft" and putting it in the same category as an Xbox game.

[Split Infinity]

Sure, you may not think of it that way, but it's still a fact.

[Someone Else]

Then let me put it this way. PCs are completely different than consoles, and the whole point of different forums is to organize and categorize different kinds of topics/conversations.

Putting PCs under the same category as the Xbox would end up in completely different topics. Think about it. You'd have people talking about Xbox Live and their favorite mods for PCs under the same forum.

It's true that, maybe it would be fine in this community, since Nos and I are really the only PC gamers here and Caael might be the only person dedicated to his Xbox here...

[Golden Legacy]

Point taken. Forgive me, I should have made that distinction clear.

Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, PC sub-forums

Fair enough? This is what I (very strongly) nominate, for reasons already made clear in previous posts.

[Split Infinity]

Got a point there. Hmm. Perhaps we could change the directory to something like:

Video Game Discussion
- Nintendo Consoles
- Sony Consoles
- Microsoft Consoles
- PC Gaming

[Golden Legacy]

Not even, because remember we want to encompass the handhelds too. Simply putting "Nintendo", "Sony", "Microsoft" would make it clear (although for PC, we might say for example, "PC Gaming").

[Split Infinity]

But then people might confuse Microsoft with PC.

Handhelds are technically consoles, by the way.

[Someone Else]

^ Go with Split. Putting PCs under a subforum would be insulting...

[Golden Legacy]

What's "technically" true and what's "implied" are two different things - at least for me, the first image I'd get upon hearing consoles is a sub-forum purely for the discussion of Wii, PS3, 360, GC, etc.

Well, we do have a description for each sub-forum that I suppose could make it clear.

EDIT: That's a solid point that I never considered. PC's under the General Discussion then, with sub-divisions for Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft? Hmm. Either way would work, I suppose.

[Split Infinity]

'Discussion of all [DEVELOPER] consoles and handhelds.'

That would work perfectly.

[Someone Else]

Oh, wait, I misunderstood GL. I thought he meant PC being a subforum under Microsoft. THAT would be insulting.

Make the "Video Game Discussion" forum with subforums of Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, PC games. I think this is the best way to go.

[Golden Legacy]

Wind Dude, on Feb 3 2008, 02:11 AM, said:

Make the "Video Game Discussion" forum with subforums of Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, PC games. I think this is the best way to go.

Summarizes it all quite nicely.

[Eugine]

How about this:
Simply merging the Handheld and Console section?

[Split Infinity]

I thought the point here was to try and disperse the topics, not congest them.

[Eugine]

Who says so?
I think it's just to get a forum structure that works well.

[Split Infinity]

Who says so? It's the entire reason the subforums were created! Ever since we stopped talking about Golden Sun the video games forum has been bloated as hell.

[Eugine]

I say so obviously!

Anywayz, I hardly see the point creating this huge arse division when we know the Sony and Microsoft section would be largely ignored except for seldom topics. Yeah, in theory it is a good structure, but we know what this forum loves, so I don't see the point trying to FORCE us to discuss other games when we wouldn't.

[Split Infinity]

That's not the point. We're trying to organise the forum better, that's all.

[Eugine]

.eugine, on Feb 3 2008, 02:33 AM, said:

Who says so?
I think it's just to get a forum structure that works well.

DIDNT I JUST ****ING SAY THAT?!?!

[TheEnglishman]

Why can't thinks be left as they are? I don't see any current problems and as they say 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.'

[Someone Else]

It is kinda broke though. The Handheld forum is ignored. I even saw a dead hobo in there; his body was being eaten by the mice and he was starting to smell funny.

[Toasty]

.eugine, on Feb 2 2008, 11:09 PM, said:

I say so obviously!

Anywayz, I hardly see the point creating this huge arse division when we know the Sony and Microsoft section would be largely ignored except for seldom topics. Yeah, in theory it is a good structure, but we know what this forum loves, so I don't see the point trying to FORCE us to discuss other games when we wouldn't.

I like the Wii, 360, and PS2, so I would be active in all of them to an extent. I'd obviously be more active in the Nintendo section, but only because I have neither a 360 nor a PS2. the PS2 is within my reach though.

And ROFL at WD's post. But I actually agree with Me111 on this one. Though GL's suggestion isn't bad either, the only problem would be the time and effort it would take to impliment.

[Golden Legacy]

Me111, on Feb 3 2008, 04:14 AM, said:

Why can't thinks be left as they are? I don't see any current problems and as they say 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.'

It is broke though:

Wind Dude, on Feb 3 2008, 04:57 AM, said:

It is kinda broke though. The Handheld forum is ignored. I even saw a dead hobo in there; his body was being eaten by the mice and he was starting to smell funny.

Not quite how I would have put it, but yes.

Toasty, on Feb 3 2008, 05:18 AM, said:

And ROFL at WD's post. But I actually agree with Me111 on this one. Though GL's suggestion isn't bad either, the only problem would be the time and effort it would take to impliment.

I would take on the task of implementing it, of course. I'll take care of it entirely by myself if necessary.

[Eugine]

Alright. I have two suggestions:

1) Merge the "Console Gaming" and "Handheld Gaming" subforums, to create one subforum. Most of the games that are on handheld systems always have a console counterpart, and since the system here apparently is to have a topic for a series rather than a title, I think it would be welcomed.

2) We create a Nintendo, a "Sony/Microsoft" subforum (only one), and a PC forum. I think the Sony and Microsoft forums if done seperately will be 'filled' with inactivity, and therefore do not need seperate forums. To create some form of extra activity in the PC forum, whenever a game appears on the PC, the topic should be discussed in the PC section (eg Oblivion, Bioshock)

Opinion(s)?

EDIT: I mean INactivity.

[Golden Legacy]

.eugine, on Feb 3 2008, 06:30 PM, said:

Alright. I have two suggestions:

1) Merge the "Console Gaming" and "Handheld Gaming" subforums, to create one subforum. Most of the games that are on handheld systems always have a console counterpart, and since the system here apparently is to have a topic for a series rather than a title, I think it would be welcomed.

2) We create a Nintendo, a "Sony/Microsoft" subforum (only one), and a PC forum. I think the Sony and Microsoft forums if done seperately will be 'filled' with inactivity, and therefore do not need seperate forums. To create some form of extra activity in the PC forum, whenever a game appears on the PC, the topic should be discussed in the PC section (eg Oblivion, Bioshock)

Opinion(s)?

EDIT: I mean INactivity.

Whoa, hold on there - the Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft/PC sub-forum structure will replace the current Console/Handheld/PC sub-forums.

[Eugine]

Yup. Basically my second suggestion is having the Sony and Microsoft sub-forum as one subforum rather than seperate.

[Golden Legacy]

Ahh, just making sure then, apologies. That's a good way to incorporate the two and still encourage more activity/participation in them, nice idea.

[Toasty]

I think the Nintendo, Sony/Microsoft, PC setup will look...wierd.

I still support the 4 subforum setup, or leaving things the way they are.

[Golden Legacy]

I'll set up a poll if necessary.

So our options for "Video Game Discussion":

- Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, PC sub-forums
- Nintendo, Sony/Microsoft, PC sub-forums

And perhaps an option to leave it as it is (but I think we've all pointed out over the last several pages that it is, in fact, broken).

Those options good?

[Someone Else]

.eugine, on Feb 3 2008, 02:30 PM, said:

Alright. I have two suggestions:

1) Merge the "Console Gaming" and "Handheld Gaming" subforums, to create one subforum. Most of the games that are on handheld systems always have a console counterpart, and since the system here apparently is to have a topic for a series rather than a title, I think it would be welcomed.

2) We create a Nintendo, a "Sony/Microsoft" subforum (only one), and a PC forum. I think the Sony and Microsoft forums if done seperately will be 'filled' with inactivity, and therefore do not need seperate forums. To create some form of extra activity in the PC forum, whenever a game appears on the PC, the topic should be discussed in the PC section (eg Oblivion, Bioshock)

Opinion(s)?

EDIT: I mean INactivity.

That sounds good, since lots of games are shared between the PS3 and 360 anyway. But I don't think that putting specific topics for PC versions of game will do anything for PC activity, so games games on consoles and PC platforms should still go in the main forum.

[Golden Legacy]

I've added in a poll based on what's been discussed and suggested. Is this satisfactory?

[Moonear]

You should have a choice that says "current format" or something to the effect of that.

[Golden Legacy]

I was considering it actually, and I had the option in at one point - however, this is for what people would like changed. The general consensus does seem to be that it could be "fixed", and this is just to see what people would prefer to have it changed to, even if they aren't necessarily favoring a change.

[PDM]

All the options suck, is there a way I can vote for that?

[Golden Legacy]

It's clear from the voting that people favor the new structure in the form of "Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, PC" (each a separate sub-forum), and to rename Other Games into "Video Game Discussion".

Max, when you read this, it might very well be time to make that change.

[Saturos S.]

Sony/Microsoft, Nintendo option would just be too fanboy'ish.

I think the 4 subfora option with pc games in the main will be the best option.

[Golden Legacy]

That does seem to be the majority consensus, yes.

[PDM]

this is retarded


why are we doing this

[Drizzy Drake]

Will you jsut shut the **** up. Stop being negative, and if you aren't gonig to add anything constructive, don't add anything at all.

I voted for the "Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft" option with the PC games in the main forum. There aren't that many topics in the PC sub-forum anyway, so it just makes sense.

[Someone Else]

Yeah, and there's going to be a lot of topics in the Sony forum.

[Drizzy Drake]

More so than there is in the PC forum.

[Someone Else]

The first thing that popped to my mind: o rly?

Trust me, the only thing in there will be Final Fantasy.

[Drizzy Drake]

Metal Gear Solid 4.


And what do you sugest Einstein?

[Eugine]

I don't see why people diagree with having a Sony/Microsoft subforum cuz it's going to be "biased". I think logical is more important than biased.

I just skimmed through the Gaming forum and there jus THREE Sony related topics in the handheld forum, while only FOUR topics in the console gaming. I don't even think those games were exclusives except Uncharted, and btw, those topics are so dead, better they weren't created >>.

[Someone Else]

Okay, then search "Metal Gear" and show results as topics. The largest topic was made about two years ago and members who have long since left made the posts in there. You don’t know these forums as well as you think you do, apparently.

I voted Nintendo, Sony/Microsoft and PC subforums since many games made for PS3 and 360 are shared anyway.

[Eugine]

Yea... and they'll just have to be placed in the main forum... Pointless if you ask me...
Same goes for the shard Xbox and PC games...
What a ****ty system if you ask me....

[Drizzy Drake]

Which system would that be?

[Golden Legacy]

Hey, we're just giving the masses their say in this system. Revaluation and changes can always occur, and at least we're attempting something different to change that forum.

[Eugine]

But honestly, the Xbox, PS3 and PC games are usually multiplatform. I think the subforums are gonna be abandoned except for Nintendo's.

[PDM]

whats so bad about the way it is now.. its seperated perfectly fine, and this way all the forums will be filled, we all know the microsoft and sony ones will get no attention because no one here plays anything outside nintendo


i dont even have a working ps2/xbox anymore T_T

[Drizzy Drake]

I perfer the way it is, but if it had to be changed I'd go with the Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo.

[PDM]

all I meant originally when you told me not to be negative - why don't we have the poll option to keep it the way it is? Do we have to change it even if our only options blow nuts?

I say put an option to keep it the way it is and reset the poll.

[Drizzy Drake]

Oh...Well then....I apologize.

Now that I think of, YA, that is retarded. We should have a keep it the same option.


EDIT-~1400~

[PDM]

Welcome to the land of common sense.

[Golden Legacy]

Golden Legacy, on Feb 4 2008, 07:50 PM, said:

I was considering it actually, and I had the option in at one point - however, this is for what people would like changed. The general consensus does seem to be that it could be "fixed", and this is just to see what people would prefer to have it changed to, even if they aren't necessarily favoring a change.

[PDM]

If you add the keep things the same option and reset the poll you can see a contrast as well of how many people want it the same, instead of following your regular extremely biased way and just pushing the people who don't agree with you to the side.

[Golden Legacy]

That's a fair argument PDM, but the forums as they are now are broken. Call it the general consensus of the population that something's wrong with it, or call it a staff member's singular assessment. It's an inefficient, broken structure - just because it's been around for some time now doesn't change that fact. I honestly think you're being a little ignorant of that fact. I acknowledge that people want it to remain the same, but there are just as many people who want it changed (hence the 9 pages of discussion).

And think of it this way - this is just a natural progression of the forum. Times change, and so do changes to the forum structure that need to be reevaluated. With the influx of new members, plus a number of significant events occurring (Brawl's release and GS's inclusion in certain aspects, GSW forthcoming), change is simply not only inevitable, but necessary.

[PDM]

I don't mind change - I just don't see why you would do something so radical and downright stupid to a part of the forum that is in really no trouble.

There are other areas that are much less active and in need of change than the other games forum which is quite active and doesn't seem to have much problem.

[Golden Legacy]

PDM, on Feb 6 2008, 08:34 AM, said:

I don't mind change - I just don't see why you would do something so radical and downright stupid to a part of the forum that is in really no trouble.

There are other areas that are much less active and in need of change than the other games forum which is quite active and doesn't seem to have much problem.

First of all, this change isn't "radical" - remember the original gaming forum, how a few years back it was split up into the sub-forums that exist today? People also saw it as radical and "downright" stupid, but they accepted it in time. The only difference here is that you guys know about it ahead of time.

Also, if there are other areas of the forum that you think could be changed, then by all means - go create a topic about it and raise the issue.

[Max]

While I appreciate all the discussion gong on here, I'm going to close this topic. I think everyone's position has been made clear, and we are just recycling arguments at this point. At this point, the decision will be made by the administration team, and if any forum changes are required, they will be carried out. Thank you all for your input.