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#1   Golden Legacy 

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    Posted 22 December 2007 - 03:44 PM

    I think as we have it now, a minimum of 1500 posts takes a member into "veteran" status. However, I really believe it's unfair as a lot of other members (Somia, Saturos Striker, DarkSword, laharl, and plenty of others), I would definitely label Vets because they're long-time members, but simply don't have a high enough post count.

    This should really be amended, in my opinion, as it's unfair for those members. Maybe having a requirement of 1200 posts OR being on the forums for a year qualifies as a veteran (or something along those lines).

    Feel free to throw out modifications, ideas, comments, etc.

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      Posted 22 December 2007 - 03:59 PM

      It makes sence, and it's fair for those older members. Plus, it won't take me forever to get to Veteran status anymore :D I say do it.

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        Posted 22 December 2007 - 04:40 PM

        i'd say a year/18 months of activity qualifies you to be a vet

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          Posted 22 December 2007 - 09:16 PM

          Actually, it wouldn't be correct either to have just a time requirement - that means all those members that joined years ago but were inactive after a few posts would count as "veterans" too. So this means that we need a combination of post counts and minimum time requirement to achieve the Vet status.

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            Posted 22 December 2007 - 10:17 PM

            then how about system based on post counts AND time here

            for example

            time spent on board----------post count needed

            <12 months----------------------------1500
            12 months-------------------------------1250
            2 years-----------------------------------1000
            3 years------------------------------------750

            you get the idea

            dates to be taken from the join date of a person's first account

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              Posted 23 December 2007 - 02:40 AM

              *If we had of kept the old forum*
              I think that's a fair call on GL's part.

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                Posted 23 December 2007 - 03:06 AM

                Or why don't we just vote on the new veterans at Awards time? That way we can be assured that they really deserve it rather than fulfilling the requirements of a generic system. Otherwise you could just work your way to veteran status while being a complete ass. Not naming any names...

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                  Posted 23 December 2007 - 07:16 AM

                  While this idea may have merit, unfortunately IPB's "promotion" feature only has a post count option, so we would be venturing into forum modification territory. I'd be more inclined to go SK's route of inductions than the mod route at this point in time. But as we discussed off-the-board GL, there may be more options in not-too-distant future.

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                    Posted 23 December 2007 - 07:30 PM

                    I don't even know if a veteran status is needed... I think it's fine the way it is.

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                      Posted 23 December 2007 - 08:26 PM

                      To give the newbies somebody to look up to. Like a Moderator, but...closer?

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                        Posted 23 December 2007 - 08:30 PM

                        By closer you mean more achievable of course.

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                            Posted 23 December 2007 - 09:54 PM

                          I like to think of myself as something of a senior member, but if I really were I wouldn't need words next to my name for people to figure that out. Respect can happen on its own, so whatever the outcome of this is I'm content to wait and allow my awesomeness to be coveyed through normal channels. (And then get the "I am totally awesome" nameplate.)

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                            Posted 24 December 2007 - 07:00 AM

                            Do you really think those members deserve to be called "veterans"? Sure, Somia, Saturos Striker and Laharl have been here for years, but only been active for short(or not so short) amounts of time and then they disappear for months. The only one from the list that can actually be considered a veteran in my eyes is DarkSword, who has been active since joining. But then again, he hasn't been around here for years, so maybe not even he qualifies for a veteran... Now don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against these people, I'm just voicing my opinion.

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                              Posted 24 December 2007 - 11:45 AM

                              View PostWater Dude, on Dec 24 2007, 05:00 AM, said:

                              Sure, Somia, Saturos Striker and Laharl have been here for years, but only been active for short(or not so short) amounts of time and then they disappear for months.

                              I was going to say that but, for some reason I decided not to.

                              I don't really think this needs to be changed just because your friends aren't qualified, GL.

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                                Posted 24 December 2007 - 01:15 PM

                                View PostWind Dude, on Dec 24 2007, 01:45 PM, said:

                                I was going to say that but, for some reason I decided not to.

                                I don't really think this needs to be changed just because your friends aren't qualified, GL.


                                You've GOT to be kidding me. I'm requesting this to make it fair for everyone. Jeez.

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                                  Posted 24 December 2007 - 01:32 PM

                                  This is why we should not vote for veterans like Split suggested. There will be discrepancies in who we believe are veterans or who are not, and what exactly is a veteran.
                                  I have to go even further and say "Veteran" gives a false impression, and should be renamed "Senior Member" (thanks PS) because there are members here with the "Veteran" status do not act as veterans x.x

                                  I suggest decreasing the required post count to 1000, leave the process as automated. That way, everyone knows exactly the requirements and don't feel leftout because they aren't part of this group (which mind you, isn't that "superior" to your group non-vets).

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                                    Posted 24 December 2007 - 09:16 PM

                                    That's a solid point Eugine. I remember the time when we tried to create an entire different "Veteran only" section of the forums, just for us... and it failed. That's partly due to the fact that we didn't have enough users/activity for such an exclusive forum, but also because the idea in theory of "distinguishing" ourselves is a little unnecessary. However, I think there should still be at least some sort of merit, at the very least giving newer members something to look forward to.

                                    Lowering the requirement to 1200 is what I'd go for, as well as a possible renaming of the Veteran status itself ("Senior Member" sounds a little too plain/underwhelming).

                                    Oh, and yes Max, I do remember our conversation. I'd like to talk some more about it if possible, see where things stand and all.

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                                      Posted 25 December 2007 - 03:13 AM

                                      How about Expert Member? That sounds so freaking awesome.

                                      Now Eugine, you say that there might be disagreement on which members would be worthy of the veteran status, or whatever you want to call it. Well, isn't that the very nature of opinion? We face the very same situation every time we vote in the Awards; which members deserve to be granted which prizes. A Vet Vote would be no different, although we might have to implement a different voting system. 75% approval, for instance.

                                      I just don't think we should base the distribution of the status on mere posting habits. Then it would just be like another forum rank, with no real pride associated with it. If the choice was given to the veterans themselves, then the rank would have a real meaning and a sense of acceptance to it. And I doubt newer members would feel left out; for example, I'm not particularly jealous of GL being a Moderator, even though I'd be a bit of an ass if I voiced it.

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                                        Posted 25 December 2007 - 09:50 AM

                                        I'm against the voting system, for the exact reason you posted. It's opinionated.

                                        I think it's unfair for someone with the veteran status to vote in other members when we weren't voted in. I'm sure if we have to revote everyone, some members who have the veteran status wouldn't get voted in, and I'll like to see how they will feel.

                                        Hence why I believe the process should be automated, and renamed. It'll be a reward every member gets after meeting XYZ conditions rather than a selective group because why should we vote for someone to have extra PM space and change their username every six month? -__-

                                        You may feel pride in being a veteran split, but honestly it isn't special. Neither is moderating (I do miss the somewhat inactive mod forum and trashcan though ;_:P.
                                        Actually, my name being bolded in the active member list = BEST THING ABOUT BEING A MOD!

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                                        I just don't think we should base the distribution of the status on mere posting habits. Then it would just be like another forum rank, with no real pride associated with it. If the choice was given to the veterans themselves, then the rank would have a real meaning and a sense of acceptance to it. And I doubt newer members would feel left out; for example, I'm not particularly jealous of GL being a Moderator, even though I'd be a bit of an ass if I voiced it.
                                        Don't get too emotional here.

                                        Max said:

                                        Added a new "Veterans" usergroup. For members with over 1500 posts, you will be automatically promoted after posting your next message. Members of this usergroup have increased PM storage limits and can also change their username once every 6 months (without admins manually doing it).
                                        to regurgitate what Max said.

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                                          Posted 25 December 2007 - 10:16 AM

                                          You all raise interesting points, and I'll have to think about what I truly consider to be the "point" of having a Veterans group on the forum. Originally, I think the idea was mostly to reward those members who had been active participants on the board for awhile with more perks (extra PM space, ability to change names, etc.), and less really about special recognition (really just an extra perk in my opinion). I think I'd be open to lowering the promotion requirements now that the forums are less active, but I need to think about this a bit longer before taking any action.

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                                            Posted 25 December 2007 - 09:48 PM

                                            View PostGolden Legacy, on Dec 24 2007, 11:15 AM, said:

                                            You've GOT to be kidding me. I'm requesting this to make it fair for everyone. Jeez.

                                            Sorry, I didn't really mean it that way but I can see how you interpreted it like that.

                                            Like I said, I don't really see the need for a "veteran" status to begin with. Even senior member. It strikes me as being really elitist and when a community is so small, is it really even necessary to label a member as being superior to others?

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                                              Posted 25 December 2007 - 11:26 PM

                                              Oh I'm sorry, I did interpret it wrong. My fault WD.

                                              Hmm, well this has certainly been an interesting argument here. I never really had second-thoughts about the Veteran title until now, but now I at least recognize that there may not be as much a need for it as we might think.

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                                                Posted 26 December 2007 - 12:18 AM

                                                Possibly. Maybe Max can give everyone the entitlement, once registered.

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                                                  Posted 26 December 2007 - 11:03 PM

                                                  I don't see the point in the veterans title. Could someone point it out?

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                                                    Posted 26 December 2007 - 11:06 PM

                                                    Read Max last post. It's the best description :(

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                                                      Posted 02 January 2008 - 08:33 PM

                                                      I've got an idea. What about the member rating system on our profiles, with the little stars and all, plus post count?

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                                                        Posted 02 January 2008 - 08:35 PM

                                                        Quick to act now that it involves you, huh Icy? :P

                                                        Although I'd have to object to your suggestion, on the grounds that nobody really takes the rating system seriously, and that almost everybody has three stars regardless of their disposition.

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                                                          Posted 02 January 2008 - 09:06 PM

                                                          IMO veteran status should be after being been here awhile - the older members. Not just people like Toasty.

                                                          Perhaps there could still be something to change your name after you get x amount of posts though so people don't have to wait x amount of time to be a veter'n.

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                                                            Posted 03 January 2008 - 02:15 PM

                                                            View PostSpam King, on Jan 2 2008, 07:35 PM, said:

                                                            Quick to act now that it involves you, huh Icy? :P

                                                            Although I'd have to object to your suggestion, on the grounds that nobody really takes the rating system seriously, and that almost everybody has three stars regardless of their disposition.

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                                                            What are you talking about? It's always involved me. :P I just don't get around to posting much in the site related forums often.

                                                            Oh well, it was just a sugestion.

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                                                              Posted 03 January 2008 - 03:49 PM

                                                              Icy's a good example of why the veteran system, as it is, is unfair.

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                                                                Posted 03 January 2008 - 07:06 PM

                                                                That's why it should be ripped out. And besides, saying someone is a veteran is an opinion.

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                                                                  Posted 03 January 2008 - 07:55 PM

                                                                  Yeah, I remember when I was a veteran before, and there's really not much advantage of being a vet over not being one. The only thing I really wanted to do was change my name, but then I found out that doesn't even have anything to do with being a vet.

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                                                                    Posted 04 January 2008 - 02:23 AM

                                                                    I think everyone is getting angry over the name more than the rights.

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                                                                      Posted 04 January 2008 - 03:12 AM

                                                                      That's true. Although I know that I really don't look at the classification of members very often. Heck, I just found out SOT was a mod. I know it says it under his avatar, but seriously, the first thing I see when I look at that side bar is "oooh, avatar" not "oooh, member class"

                                                                      Though I would love to be a veteran again ;-;

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                                                                        Posted 05 January 2008 - 08:10 AM

                                                                        View PostMax, on Dec 23 2007, 02:16 PM, said:

                                                                        While this idea may have merit, unfortunately IPB's "promotion" feature only has a post count option, so we would be venturing into forum modification territory. I'd be more inclined to go SK's route of inductions than the mod route at this point in time. But as we discussed off-the-board GL, there may be more options in not-too-distant future.

                                                                        Manually set the people who deserve it to veteran. It's not like it's half the forum.


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