[slomz]

I have never had a cuban but hear i am missing out. Watermelon and strawberry are good though.

[Eugine]

This wouldn't be a popular topic here.

I've never smoked, but I had the honour of holding a Cuban cigar already =)

[Laharl]

slomz, on Jan 30 2008, 09:54 PM, said:

I have never had a cuban but hear i am missing out.

on lung cancer and other yummy treats

[Moonear]

Laharl is right, don't smoke man.

[Drizzy Drake]

Cuban's are good, but the oens that are like, 300$ for one cigar, are totally not worth it. But yes, they are good. Some good cheap Cigars are Centuray Sam's. They are preatty good. And the mini cigars, Colt's and Captain Black's are always the way to go.

[Quacnar]

Watermelon is quite disgusting actually the best flavor is....NONE FOR YOU DIE FROM SMOKING SO STOP!!!!!!! THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM YOUR LUNGS AND COLIN OR COLON

[Drizzy Drake]

If you aren't gonna help him don't psot in this topic. 2 people have already said don't smoke, he doesn't need a third person. And besides, technically, yo uaren't supossed to inhale Cigars, so.

[Toasty]

laharl the slayer, on Jan 30 2008, 02:08 PM, said:

on lung cancer and other yummy treats

Not lung cancer, oral cancer and gum disease. Cigar smokle isn't meant to be inhaled, just held in the mouth for the flavor.

Personally, I've never tried any form of smokeing and never will. There's no point in it.

[slomz]

Cigar smoke doesn't kill you. Like he said it's for flavor. I won't get cancer or anything. They just taste and smell m m m good.

[Lightning Star]

I like chocolate cigars :3

But preferably, I like to keep things that emit smoke away from my mouth and nostrils. ^^

[Elliott]

I remember having a cigar at my 18th, wasn't the best experience of my life but the photos were pretty cool.

[Split Infinity]

slomz, on Feb 9 2008, 05:38 PM, said:

Cigar smoke doesn't kill you. Like he said it's for flavor. I won't get cancer or anything. They just taste and smell m m m good.

You can still get mouth cancer...

[I'm Always BROKE]

My faves are the ones with that other stuff in it... :blink:

[Lemontime]

My thoughts exactly, Diddy.

[Drizzy Drake]

Diddy Kong, on Feb 9 2008, 05:33 AM, said:

My faves are the ones with that other stuff in it... :blink:

Oh, you mean a blu...Oh look at that cute squirell.

[slomz]

Diddy Kong, on Feb 9 2008, 04:33 AM, said:

My faves are the ones with that other stuff in it... :lol:

Yes haha agreed. I like to use cigars as wrap sometimes.....

[kate]

<.< confusion! I agree with icy the best are the chocolate ones with the little cocoa dusting on them n.n mm good

[Moonear]

Gummy cigars are the best. But chocolate ones are good too, Kate.

[Neo]

I'm not very fond of cigars. I smoke a pack of sigarettes per day, but I usually only smoke cigars when we're in a pub or something. And then only 1 or 2. I prefer sigarettes all the way.

[Wiflewood]

Its cigarettes btw Neo.

I tend to smoke cigars at parties occasionally, or if theres a special occassion, but apart from that I don't smoke.

[Eugine]

Neo, on Feb 19 2008, 02:20 PM, said:

I'm not very fond of cigars. I smoke a pack of sigarettes per day, but I usually only smoke cigars when we're in a pub or something. And then only 1 or 2. I prefer sigarettes all the way.

x.x
Seriously? A pack?!

[Neo]

Yup. Not good, I know =]. But meh, I'm addicted and then that **** happens haha.

And Wifle, thanks for the tip ^^. Good to see you btw

[Drizzy Drake]

I smoke about 15 to a pack(25) a day. It's not something I suggest starting. As apossed to drugs, cigarettes do nothing good for you, no high, no good feeling, but you do it becasue you're addicted. Cigars are ok though. Don't smoke em often, but when I do, I try to get good ones.

[slomz]

Dipset, on Feb 19 2008, 05:47 PM, said:

I smoke about 15 to a pack(25) a day. It's not something I suggest starting. As apossed to drugs, cigarettes do nothing good for you, no high, no good feeling, but you do it becasue you're addicted. Cigars are ok though. Don't smoke em often, but when I do, I try to get good ones.

I think cigarettes are disgusting as hell.

[Drizzy Drake]

Yes, yes they are. They are a stupid, stupid habit, and no kid should try it. Cigarettes don't make you cool. That's what pot is for.





















Jk.























But really, smoke pot.






















Naw, just ****nig with ya.

[Toasty]

Is it possible to get addicted to cigarette without smokeing them? Because I've never smoked in my life, and yet twice I've had a slight urge to smoke one.

Though I never have, and never will. I've got other things to spend my money on, and getting lung cancer is not on my to do list.

[Split Infinity]

Toasty, on Feb 22 2008, 07:11 PM, said:

Is it possible to get addicted to cigarette without smokeing them? Because I've never smoked in my life, and yet twice I've had a slight urge to smoke one.

It's called peer pressure. ^_^

[Drizzy Drake]

If you are around cigarette smoke ALOT, it can cause that, but it doesn't happen alot.

[Wiflewood]

Cigarettes aren't really as bad as everyone makes out. I would imagine that a large percentage of you have tried alcohol before, and a large percentage of that group probably drink it on a regular basis, or will do in future, however you don't say "I have never drunk alcohol and never will because getting a busted liver isn't on my to do list."

(sorry to steal Toasty's words).

I have stolen this from Wikipedia to illustrate my point:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7862/drugchartyr4.gif

Sure, tobacco is more adictive, but not excessively so; Going out and getting wasted is going to do you a lot more harm than having a single cig.

EDIT: Also notice how great pot is.

[Quacnar]

Where is pot on that chart?? I cant seem to find it.

[Wiflewood]

Pot = Cannabis dear.

[Quacnar]

Why thank you fine sir.

[Drizzy Drake]

I never said cigarettes were the worst thing ever, but they definetly aren't good.

ANd yes, pot is definetly great.

[Neo]

Well I kind of quit pot nowadays. Maybe once a month or so -- different then a year ago, when I smoked it on regular basis. Cigarettes, well, I don't think they're digusting. Maybe it's because I am used to the taste, but I don't have an urge to quit smoking. I can easily afford it, it helps me do something while I'm bored, and in times of stress it has a relaxing effect -- Yes people, smoking does make you feel relaxed/happy. The nicotine in smoking hightens your Dopamine level, which causes the happy feeling. !!And now, don't start smoking now, hehe!!

[Drizzy Drake]

Ya, don't start people, but ya it does help when you are stressed.

[Moonear]

There are other things that can lessen your stress without getting you addicted or causing you physical harm, fyi.

[Drizzy Drake]

Well of course. Anybody who says that they started smoking because of stress is a LIAR. Ya, I'm addicted, but atleast I get SOMETHING out of it. It may not be the greatest, but it's not bad. Now, if it was the other way around, and pot was legal, and cigarettes weren't, I wouldn't touch one, because I wouldn't risk getting charged/fined/arrested for something that doesn't really do much.

[Split Infinity]

I still don't understand why people can in their right mind start smoking, given the risks.

[Drizzy Drake]

Most people's answer wil lbe to fit in. For me, it wasn't really that, but kind of. I wanted to try it, and at first, I'd only smoke when I was high, because it increases your high a little bit, but then I jsut got addicted.

[Someone Else]

There's more positive things to do if you're stressed than smoking or the like, though. Try jogging for example. Jogging builds cardio and it takes your mind off things.

I don't think less of people for smoking or doing drugs as long as they don't do it around me, though if they asked me for my opinion I'd tell them they shouldn't do it. =/

[Drizzy Drake]

Ya but it's hard to quit the addiction of smoking. I still jog, I listen to music, I skateboard, I play my guitar. I still do all those things to stop being stressed.

[Eugine]

You must have one stressful life then.

[Drizzy Drake]

Not all at the same time. But like, if I'm stressed, I may go play my guitar, or I may go skatebaord.

[Quacnar]

Youre pathetic. Have a decent amount of self control. Its one thing to smoke pot and cigars, but cigarettes are awful and teh only thing they do is shorten your life. I don't really like you Skid, but I wouldnt want you to die which is exactly whats going to happen if you keep smoking cigarettes. END OF STORY!!

[Split Infinity]

You don't have to be an asshole about it, Coz.

[Quacnar]

I dont have to be. But I feel thats the only way to get through to him, even thoughj I probably wont anyways.

[Split Infinity]

You don't have to 'get through' to anybody. Skidz is old enough to make his own decisions, he doesn't need some kid on a forum telling him what to do.

[Quacnar]

You arenly a year older than I, so there is no reason to act so high and mighty. You are as childish as I am. Oh and I apoligize that I care about the welfare of another being.

[Split Infinity]

We may be of similar age, but unlike you, I act mine.

You need to acknowledge that there is more than one side to an argument; just because you have strong views on something doesn't make you right, or in your language, high and mighty. If you're going to make a point, use reason instead of spite, and don't end with retarded conclusions like END OF STORY. You're not convincing anybody that way.

[Quacnar]

Are you trying to say that it's debatable that cigarettes are harmful to your body, addictive, and can cause illnesses like lung cancer? I will admit that at times I can act immature, as you do as well, but on this particular topic I am being very serious.

[Split Infinity]

If one person told you video games were bad for you and that you should stop playing, would you change your ways?

[Quacnar]

Well it depends the degree it would be bad for me, where the source of this information is, and who the person is that is telling me. If a new well agreed study said that video games shorten lives by 5 years then I would probably stop. I don't play video games that often anyways.

[Split Infinity]

I wasn’t referring to the activity in particular; but my point is, it’s Skidz’s decision and not yours. People do drugs so they can feel happy and relaxed, and if it shortens their life by a few years, that’s a sacrifice they’re willing to make if they can live a happier life.

[Quacnar]

But Skid said that he doesn't like cigarettes himself, he only smokes them because he's addicted. I dont think he really wants to smoke them himself. You are right in that it his decision, but some motivation to make a good decision isn't a negative thing.

[Split Infinity]

You're right in that regard, though my point still stands.

[Quacnar]

So what is the point that youre making that we are dissagreeing upon?

[Toasty]

killercoz, on Feb 22 2008, 08:19 PM, said:

You arenly a year older than I, so there is no reason to act so high and mighty. You are as childish as I am. Oh and I apoligize that I care about the welfare of another being.

At this time of our lives, a year means a lot. Once you hit your mid 20's, a year means nothing.

On another note, I dissaprove of smoking, but you're not going to get someone to quite by being an asshole about it. Especially if you're not very good friends with that person.

An Skidz/whoever else smokes, they have over the counter meds to wean you off of the nicotene(lol,sp?). In the long run, it'll save you not only your money, but keep you from having many health problems that are going to catch up to you unless you quit.

Though I guess I don;t really need to tell you that.

[Wiflewood]

The point is killercoz, that Skidz has probably been told a lot in real life to stop smoking, and so when some young teenager from halfway across the world who he doesn't even know tells him rather rudely to stop it via an internet forum, hes hardly gonna just stand up and go "OMG, I must stop smoking now!!!"

Hmm?

[PDM]

Wiflewood, on Feb 23 2008, 03:19 AM, said:

The point is killercoz, that Skidz has probably been told a lot in real life to stop smoking, and so when some young teenager from halfway across the world who he doesn't even know tells him rather rudely to stop it via an internet forum, hes hardly gonna just stand up and go "OMG, I must stop smoking now!!!"

Hmm?

QFT

[Neo]

killercoz, on Feb 23 2008, 04:54 AM, said:

Youre pathetic. Have a decent amount of self control. Its one thing to smoke pot and cigars, but cigarettes are awful and teh only thing they do is shorten your life. I don't really like you Skid, but I wouldnt want you to die which is exactly whats going to happen if you keep smoking cigarettes. END OF STORY!!

You're an asshole, and you're the first person on this boards I have called that in 4 years. Grow up kiddo.

[Caael]

What Neo and Wifle said. If you're addicted, that means you dont want to stop. Coz doesn't grasp the fact that you cant just stop smoking them, because there are withdrawal symptoms to suffer. If you've never been addicted to something coz, then you have no position to say anything as you haven't experienced it yourself.

[Drizzy Drake]

It's true abotu the drugs being used to have a little happier life, but the cigarettes are a plain addiction, with nothing good comnig from them. You do get ****ty withdrawls from smokes. Much like somebody with a Heroin addiction. You feel like ****, you throw up sometiems, you cough like a muther****er, and it just doesn't feel good.

And I've tried the patch, ya, that was completly useless. I tried smoking those "herbal" cigarettes, ya that was useless.

And the funny thing is, when I was addicted to Ecstasy, it was easier to get off that, than it is to get off cigarettes.

[Neo]

For me it's simple as this; Cigarettes are not good for you. They are addictive, meaning you cannot stop. Plus, if you don't have a drive to quit -- like me -- there is no reason for trying. It has nothing to do with weakness or whatever. You either smoke, or you don't.

As for pot; it's not even addicting. The last time I did it was quite a long time already, and I have never felt the urge to do it again (even in my "Pot-Period" I never needed pot, I just liked it).

Never did pills, never will. Just don't want to =)

One question for you Dip. You're 16; you're addicted to smoking, you do pot and you did x? At what age did you start?

[Drizzy Drake]

Ya, pot doesn't have that addictive quality. There are times where I can smoke pot for weeks on end, then not have it for a month. I haven't smoked pot since Monday, and I don't feel the need to it.

Pot I started smoknig when I was 13, same with cigarettes. I tried acid and shrooms I think when I was 14, and then I tried E when I was abotu to turn 15. Later that year I tried Coke a couple times, but didn't feel then eed for it liek msot people do, but I got into E HARRRD. I was donig it 5 days a week, like 3-5 pills each day, for like 3-4 monthes. It was jsut too much, and I jsut needed to stop.

I think the reason I wass able to stop the E, but I can't the smokes, is because I could see the effects happening all at once, while with smokes, I just don't notice the bad effects, so they come on more slowly, and more spread out, while with E, when you're body has had enough, it will tell you.

[kate]

smokers smell icky!!

and I'm allergic to cigarette smoke. Some chemical in there doesn't agree with my immune system <_<

[Drizzy Drake]

Ya but for us smokers, it doesn't smell icky.

ANd ya, I've met some people who are allergic to cigarettes. It's very odd.

[Caael]

Well it's not going to be the cigarettes themselves, it's going to be something in the smoke.

[kate]

...i just said that.

[Drizzy Drake]

Ya.

The funny thing is, there's more harmfull things in the FILTERS than there is in the actual tobbaco. So basically if you took out the filter, and put in a cut(a joint filter, I'll explain if you really need me to), you would actually be doing less harm.

[kate]

that sounds like it would take effort D:

personally I would just prefer to stay addicted to chocolate n.n tastes better and the only health damage is to the waistline <_<

k now I'm sad.

[Drizzy Drake]

Actually, more people dye from overeating, than cigarettes.

Read that somewhere, don't remember where. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[kate]

die. no comma after overeating <_<

and yeah you're totally right. the calories in chocolate are easier to fight than lung cancer though =/

[Drizzy Drake]

Ya, but overeating, leads to heart attacks and all that.

Also, you are more likely to die walking down the street than you are from Ecstasy. Funny how it all works eh.

TAKE THAT DEA!!! When you walk to work, you are more likely to die, thna some kid in AMsterdam taking a pill of Ecstasy.

[Caael]

kate, on Feb 23 2008, 07:35 PM, said:

...i just said that.

Oh yeah :B

[Drizzy Drake]

Oh and um, ya, Alcohal is more likely to kill you than Cocaine. <_<.

[kate]

bad spelling is more likely to kill you than anything. <_<

yeah I find it weird that alcohol is legal...probably just because they couldn't possibly make it illegal without huge riots

[Drizzy Drake]

Oh well, **** em. Let those alcoholics do cocaine, or E insted. They are less likely to die, plus, no matter how high they get, they can still function, unlike drunk retards.,

[Someone Else]

Remember the Eighteenth Amendment? Yah. That worked reeeaaally well.

[Drizzy Drake]

I don't really know the 18th amendment. Refresh my memory.

[Moonear]

They prohibited alcoholic substances, but people just wanted to drink beer even more, plus the fact that people were making beer illegally and selling it in the backs of stores.

[Eugine]

The whole war on drugs is a nuisance.

[PDM]

Dipset, on Feb 23 2008, 11:41 AM, said:

Actually, more people dye from overeating, than cigarettes.

Read that somewhere, don't remember where. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Copied and pasted for major LOLz.

over 70% of all persons in a hospital in the U.S. are there for alcohol-related injuries or illnesses.
persons who smoke are more likely to die and they don't spend much time in the hospital
persons who are morbidly obese die from all kinds of terrible health problems, but they are also more likely not to see the doctor until it's too late, they are less likely to take their doctor's advice and they wind up staying on disability and welfare for longer than drinkers and smokers because obesity puts people out of work more often than smokers and drinkers.
pot smokers think that marijuana is better than cigarettes, which is probably true, but pot smokers don't smoke as much as cigarette smokers do. Pot doesn't have the formaldahyde and other terrible toxic garbage and addictive additives like cigs do, but get this, marijuana turns into this real sticky substance, worse than cigs, and one joint can cause more coverage by this sticky stuff to the lungs and esophogus, which causes more damage. Cigarettes, alcohol and marijuana are all depressants. They cause depression, and used all together, can lead to some real bad mental health problems. Morbidly obese folks are already screwed up in the head. Alcoholics are more likely to beat their children and wives, or husbands, kill pedestrians and other drivers than pot smokers. Teen pot smokers are more likely to kill their parents. Pot also cause psychosis more often than alcohol. Cigarettes help schizophrenics and sober alcoholics stay calm and more organized. More people who are heavy drinkers are actually suffering from bipolar disorder and use alcohol to medicate themselves. Overeaters are medicating themselves all the time. Pot smokers too.

And meth is a hundred times worse than any of the above.


EDIT: LOLOLOLOL AND THIS TOO XDDD


smoking marijuana is very bad for you,Oslo it will lit you to heaver drugs,it going to scramble you brains,and in one year's time,you going to be so bad ,evening the crazy house will not tack you.and you be versing Avery day.keep away from this staff

[Wiflewood]

LOL, where the **** did you get all that from?

[Someone Else]

It's immoral to be obese.

[Drizzy Drake]

Ya, that last bit isn't really understandable.

And post doesn't nessecarily lead to other drugs. I knwo SOOOO many people that smoke pto that HATE other drugs.

Still, alcohal is WAY worse for you than pot is.

ANd that first part, half of it, doesn't really make sense. I have never heard of somebody killing their parents as a result of pot.

Also, I love how this topic went from Cigars, to drugs/alcohal/cigarettes talk.

[Toasty]

Dipset, on Feb 23 2008, 04:03 PM, said:

And post doesn't nessecarily lead to other drugs.

See? Even Skidz agrees with me! Wasting your life on a forum isn't bad for you. :P

Alcohol can kill brain cells, and thus make you forget things. Pot frays the nerve endings in your brain (which causes the high), and if those endings don't repair themselves, you become mentally retarded. Literally.

Over use of alcohol can lead to liver disease, and a few other health issues. Not quite sure what pot causes, other than retardation, but it apparently coats your lungs and asophogus with muck.

Alcohol impares you senses, especially balance and sight, while pot can either give you energy or take it away.



Correct me on anything if I'm wrong, but to me, they look equally harmful. Pot might even be worse. You can repair a liver, or even replace it if necessary (though that's not very likely), but so far, it's impossible to repair a brain, and even if you could replace your brain, it's impossible to transfer all of the information from one to the other.

Alcohol can kill you, but at least the health problems it causes can be fixed.

Though I also don't know what the chances of pot making you retarded are.

[kate]

liver disease is actually one of the more terminal diseases. Not as terminal as brain disease though :P

remember kids, when in doubt, it's lupus.

[PDM]

Dipset, on Feb 23 2008, 04:03 PM, said:

Ya, that last bit isn't really understandable.

I posted it for lulz not because I believed it to be true.

@Wifle: Gotta love yahoo answers. ;D

[Wiflewood]

Toasty, on Feb 24 2008, 04:20 AM, said:

Correct me on anything if I'm wrong, but to me, they look equally harmful. Pot might even be worse.

Corrected. The graph says otherwise!

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7862/drugchartyr4.gif

As you can see, Cannabis is both less harmful and less addictive than alcohol. The source for this graph btw is a highly-rated medical journal called The Lancet.

This claim can also be verified in this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/ma...drugsandalcohol

Which states: "Some of Britain's leading drug experts demand today that the government's classification regime be scrapped and replaced by one that more honestly reflects the harm caused by alcohol and tobacco... ...By their analysis, alcohol and tobacco are rated as more dangerous than cannabis, LSD and ecstasy."

Also:
"Alcohol impairs driving more than Marijuana", from New Scientist:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2063...-marijuana.html

Though, I will give you this; that Cannabis smoke is more dangerous than Cigarette smoke:

http://news.bbc.co.u...lth/2419713.stm

HOWEVER, That does not take into account that cigarettes are more adictive than cannabis; A single joint of pot on its own may be worse than a cig, but you have to look at the addictiveness as well, tobacco is more adictive than cannabis.

[Eugine]

All drugs are bad, k? Well, unless prescribed by the doctor, and those kill people also!

I like the word "less harmful" btw.

[Drizzy Drake]

Wiflewood, on Feb 24 2008, 07:43 AM, said:

As you can see, Cannabis is both less harmful and less addictive than alcohol. The source for this graph btw is a highly-rated medical journal called The Lancet.

Which states: "Some of Britain's leading drug experts demand today that the government's classification regime be scrapped and replaced by one that more honestly reflects the harm caused by alcohol and tobacco... ...By their analysis, alcohol and tobacco are rated as more dangerous than cannabis, LSD and ecstasy."

THANK YOU. Although, I will disagree with you. With the E nowadays, it is very hard to find any PURE MDMA pills, and are therefore very dangerous becasue most will include cocaine, meth, and/or other drugs. But yes, MDMA on it's own is not very harmfull. Only about 200 people die a year from pure MDMA, and that is WAYYYY les than alcohal and tobacco.

[Wiflewood]

Dipset, on Feb 24 2008, 03:27 PM, said:

THANK YOU. Although, I will disagree with you. With the E nowadays, it is very hard to find any PURE MDMA pills, and are therefore very dangerous becasue most will include cocaine, meth, and/or other drugs. But yes, MDMA on it's own is not very harmfull. Only about 200 people die a year from pure MDMA, and that is WAYYYY les than alcohal and tobacco.

Lol, you're not disagreeing with me mate, I didn't do the research.
I assume they tested it on pure ecstasy though; I guess if they had tested it on 'mixed pills' it would be higher up the list, as you say.

[Drizzy Drake]

Fine I don't disagree, I'm just adding to that. But yes, MDMA by itself is practically harmless, but many of the pills on the streets contain coke/meth/heroin/lsd/caffiene/ketamine. Not all at once, but most pills will contain one or two of those substances along with the MDMA.

[Eugine]

E (overall drugs) are bad not only because of physical harm but the economic, social and cultural harm.
So saying it is 'practically harmless' only covers 1/4 of the potential problems.

[Drizzy Drake]

Actually, Ecstasy is GOOD for social life. EVERYBODY I've known that has done E, has become more social on it, and more loving. I don't get how drugs effect the culture, and sure, it may effect the economy.

So really, Ecstasy is good for 3/4 problems that you mentioned. Yes, coke, heroin, meth, and PCP are bad, but drugs like E and weed, are relativly harmless.

EDIT-I'm not gonig to say weed, because that won't get us anywhere because that will start a HUGEE fight, but yes, E is relativly harmless.

[Eugine]

lolz. Do I really have to type up why? Just think about it...

[Drizzy Drake]

Ok, let's straighten this out. Let's JUST talk abotu Ecstasy on this. How does the drug MDMA effect the culture?


EDIT-This topic should be renamed the Drug/ALcohal/Tobacco topic.

[Eugine]

Well, it personally alienates people from my culture. You may not have a religious background, but I do. My religion doesn't support the use of drugs, so using drugs can infact alienate me from Christianity, and thus my culture.
Culture is subjective, and I have no idea what culture you were brought up in, so I can't say. If you can tell me what culture you were brought up in, I'll explain.

[Drizzy Drake]

I don't have a relegion. I am an atheiest, and therefore have no "rules" that sya I may not use drugs.

Ok fine, 2.5 of those 4 thing are GOOD, so basically, the good outways the bad.

I'm not trying to fight, I'm just stating the facts.

[Eugine]

I see no 'good' in using drugs what so ever x.x
As you can see, your statistics says "less harmful"

[Drizzy Drake]

EVERYTHING you do in this world is dangerous/harmfull. Eating McDonalds, watching too much TV, even driving your car.

Eating McDonalds feeds your hunger, and it tastes good, but can cause heart attacks, or liver damage.

Watching TV is fun, but can caus seziures, or eye damage.

Driving your car gets yo0u places, but could lead to paralasiz(sp), or even death.

Using drugs is fun and give you a good feeling, but can cause brain damage.

EVERYTHING you do in life can be bad for you. If you look at the statistics, more people die from car crashes than from cocaine or ecstasy. ****, more people die from lightning every year, than people die from pot, which is, oh yeah, ZERO.

[Eugine]

And? lolz
That's cuz more people do those stuff obviously.

And um, all govermnent preaches road safety, just as how we much preach drug abstinence. Yeah, I'm for ending the 'war on drugs', but that's because I strongly believe it'll do more good than bad.

[Drizzy Drake]

Ya, but if you multiplied the amount of people who do E to the same number of people who drive, their are still more deaths.

Yes, there is raod saftey, but driving isn't illegal, even though it kills alot of people.

SUre, drugs aren't GOOD, per se, but nothing really is. It is a choice, and people shouldn't ***** at people for maknig that choice. If they are gonna ***** at people who do drugs, because it can kill them, ***** at people who drive, because that causes more deaths.

It's just funny how cynical peopel can be.

Plus, if they stopped the war on drugs, and made them lega, I guarantee less people would do drugs.

[Eugine]

Where are you getting your statistics from?

Drugs are bad. And trust me, it is only going to get worse for you. You're only 16, and tried crack already. Don't want to see what you'll do when you leave the comfort of your parents home x.x

[Drizzy Drake]

I won't ever touch crack. And why will I turn out bad when I leave my parent's house? I make ALOOOOOT of money, I get AMAZING grades, and ya.

But ya, I won't ever touch crack. The thing about crack is, it isn't pure. No matter what anybody says, the stuff in crack is sooooo bad, same with meth, because to turn it into the rocky substance that it is, it needs some sort of chemical that is extremly bad, and addictive.

Pure coke isn't that bad, neither is E, and in some ways, neither is Heroin.

Notice how I said not THAT bad.

[Eugine]

Cuz then, you'll wouldn't have to consult anyone, but yourself when making decisions. I'm sure you do your 'drug use' behind your parents back, so leaving home will only make your dark secret not so dark again, or atleast you wouldn't have some force preventing you from doing it...

And getting good grades and having money will never get you accepted into mainstream society. I will really like to see you running for Prime Minister, or be a widely accepted lawyer while doing E and weed. Especially 'openly'.

[Drizzy Drake]

My mom knows I smoke pot and it doesn't bother her, but the E and blow does.

I bet when I grow up, I'll grow out of the drugs(not weed, but the chemicals), but I'm in the prime of my youth, and I'm only young once, so I might aswell enjoy it.

Plus, I don't plan on running for Prime Minister. But ya, when I grow up, I'll probably grow out of the chemicals.

[Wiflewood]

Since Skidz seems to lack basic debating ability, I'll take over.

@Eug: Does your 'war on drugs' include alcohol and tobacco then? Will you personally never touch either one?

Also, I'm 17 and I've done coke, pot and alcohol, yet I'm a top of the class student who is on course to get 3 As at A level and then go on to university; so I think your last statement is a bit of a generalisation. I agree that drugs are bad, but merely trying them isn't going to completely ruin your life or cast you to hell with no chance of redemption (but lets not get into a religious debate).

EDIT: Missed a couple of posts. Doing drugs doesn't condem you to do poorly in society either:

http://news.bbc.co.u...ics/6905886.stm

The Home sec smoked weed at uni, and well, shes the Home sec!

[Drizzy Drake]

*Points at WifleWood*

SEEEEEE.

I'm only in highschool, but I have an average of 95, in academic classes(the smart peopel classes).

[Eugine]

Wifle, you did coke? That hurt my feelings ;_;. Plus, it kinda made me a bit sick...
And yes, they will all be legal, of course not to minors. If you want my reasoning as to why I want an end to the 'war on drugs', tell me, and I'll explain.

Anyway, I'm not one of those persons who says "I'll never do drugs", but currently in my life I see no reason to do drugs. I honestly believe I can use my time more wisely, even if it means watching Barney. I personally just hate losing my thinking ability...

And Wifle, you should feel proud, and I commend you for your success even if you use drugs. I am sorry to say though, than you are among the 1 in 1000 who successfully can cope with the effects of drugs.

[Drizzy Drake]

Are we talking about pot, or chemicals, becuase 1 in 1000 for pot, is defietly not right. I know lawyers, doctors, and computer progremmers who smoke pots and cope perfectly well.

[Eugine]

I said drugs. It's a general statement, and includes all drugs. Oh, and I really wasn't pointing to any statistic cuz I don't have any. I was merely trying to say that drugs destroy lots of lives.

[Wiflewood]

I would assume he means higher-class drugs.

I actually watched a documentary about cannabis once (unfortunately don't have a source for you), which was suprising as it said that a quite large percentage of cannabis users were actually successful business people, such as managers lawyers etc who did it at home, and not just your chavvy council-house ne'er-do-wells.

[Drizzy Drake]

@ Eugine-NOT POT :P. BUt yes, drugs can destory lives, but the peopel who do drugs and let them destroy their lives, shouldn't do drugs. People like me, Wiffle, and Diddy, who can handle our drugs, and still do good in school, and with friends, should continue if we ant, but cokeheads who steal to get their fix, should stop.

It's jsut like anything, if you can handle it, then go ahead and do it.

EDIT-I've seen a similar documentary(probably not the same one), but ya, pot isn't just done by "chavs" as british people would call it. Pot is liek the new alcohal, and is jsut something peopel do. That is why it is getting closer and closer to becomnig legal in Canada, because the Canadian government realise that it is jsut liek alcohal, but even less harmfull.

[Eugine]

It starts small Skidz... Anyway, pot isn't that bad actually, but I honestly believe it should discouraged.

[Drizzy Drake]

If by starts small, you mean it goes from pot, to harder drugs, well that isn't alwasy true. Less than 25% of pot users use other drugs.

And pot shouldn't be encouraged, but neither should alcohal, but it should be allowed to be used, for the peopel that want to use it.

[Wiflewood]

I agree with Dipset here, as long as you can control the amount you do, then I see no problem in it. Just as you might go out one night for a mates birthday and get pissed, doing coke one night at a party isn't that much different. (I mean, I hardly do it often, last time was new-year).

Unfortunately it is often very hard to control and theres a fine line between having it occasionally and being addicted.

[Drizzy Drake]

You are right. I was addicted to E, and I realised how bad it was, but now I do it once or twice a month, and it is great.

Same with coke. If you are out at a party, and some guy has an 8-ball, and throws you a line to hit up, and you do it, and you are having a good time, but stop there, and don't do any more, than you should be good.

It's all about how well you can controle your drug use.

Somebody who has bad self controle shouldn't do anything worse than pot, because when you do coke, there is like a 24 hour period when you really wnat it, and people with low selfcontrole are more likely to go buy some more.

[Eugine]

Not only that, but it puts you in difficult situations honestly. Most of the time finding pot is difficult and puts you in environments which aren't that pleasant.

For eg, there are local stories of drug users being given coke in weed unexpectedly by 'friends', creating a coke addiction (and I heard its a terrible combo), and eventually ruining their life.
Also, breaking the law isn't that nice either.

[Drizzy Drake]

Coco puffs(coke sprinkled on weed), gives almost the same effect on sniffing blow, thne smokngi weed. The combination is not that dangerous. I have done it many times.

But yes, buynig weed can sometiems be dangerous, that's why, if you are nervous abotu it, only buy weed of people you trust. My main supplier gives me awsome deasl, and it is bomb weed everytime, and is never cut with any other drugs.

[redchi]

ive never try any substances and i dont think i will

[Drizzy Drake]

And that is your choice. I don't want people to do drgus if they don't want to, but I'm jsut sick of peopel(not really at anybody here, but jsut peopel in general), *****ing at drug users for their choices.

[PDM]

I do cocaine!
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/0f/180px-1478714902_l.jpg

[Eugine]

So Wifle, why exactly did/do you use drugs?

[Drizzy Drake]

It's fun, and it makes you feel good. That's all there is to it. Same reason why people drink, except drugs have better feelings than getting drunk.

[Golden Legacy]

Never done substances, don't plan on it ever.

[Ironsight]

Wait, we actually have a topic about drugs now?

I don't plan on taking any drugs, ever. If I need to feel good, I have my models (the kind you build) for that.

[Lemontime]

Those of you that all say "I've never tried drugs and never will" are all lying.
If you get to a party one time (assuming you guys atleast have SOME friends) and everyone else is drinking, or smoking, **** oath you'll be straight into it!
Peer pressure is so powerful.
I've smoked weed, cigarettes, cigars, and drunk alcohol.
It's all okay, but only in moderation!
I haven't smoked a cigarette this year, and only been high once, drunk twice.
See? Moderation! Just don't do it every week, once or twice a month is okay!

[Golden Legacy]

So you're always saying "it shouldn't matter if you don't do substances, just don't tell us not to" - and yet now it's "I don't care what you guys say, you WILL do drugs/alcohol, and we're telling you, you will"?

[Lemontime]

Probably..

And this is probably spam. - GL

[MaznAzn]

^LOL at GL

And no, not everyone will. There are those of us who have a stronger sense of...hmm...how should I put it? A stronger will power to resist those kinds of things? And I just don't see any point in it. Sure, great fun while you're doing it, but the side effects can be disastrous. And Yes, I do have friends, but my friends agree with me on this issue, and the ones that don't know better not to invite me to a party if drugs are alcohol are present.

Plain and simple: I have no desire to use any substances whatsoever, and I have too much going for me to let an experiment mess it all up.

[Caael]

My friend Sam made me try some pot the other day. It was cool but I crashed after about half an hour lol which wasnt fun. It's cool, but I wouldn't do it often. At parties and stuff, like Wifle and Lemon said is fine but any more than that is soo much for me. Too much of a good thing is bad :D

[Elliott]

Just weed an alcohol here. I don't think I'd like to get into any hard stuff after seeing how it affects most people who use it (heroine, cocaine, ecstasy etc.).

[Wiflewood]

@GL: and PDM's post isn't? :D

@Eug: Peer pressure/Interest; Do you never find that your curious to see what its like? If you discount the hamrfulness for a minute, (Its not really gonna wreck your body if you do it just once), do you never get an urge to find out what these amazing 'highs' etc are like?

If there was no physical/legal/psychological harm in doing things like cocaine, would any of you lot try it to find out what its like being high? (since most people say its amazing?)

[Caael]

I'd never do anything more than weed. That chart is drilled into my head now :P

[Drizzy Drake]

The weed crash isn't really that bad, but I guess I'm used to it. It jsut kind of makes you tired. Meh.

But ya, not everybody will try drugs, but you cna't say you won't EVER do them, because you don't know. WHat if you are like, 22, and drinking and a friend offers you a joint, you might try it. You jsut don't know.

But ya, see, Caael tried he, he foudn it fun, but wouldnt do it often, which is perfectly fine, but I'm sick of people saying that weed and E, and to soem extent cocaine, are the worst things ever, and how they can do other things to have fun. Sure, we all do other things, but there are sometimes, parties, or just other times, where building models or playing guitar jus won't cut it.

[Folcon]

Video games, anime, and porn manga are my antidrugs.

[Laharl]

i do weed sometimes, admittedly havent had any for like 6 months and never pay for the stuff, i really cant see what the fuss is about, it hardly does anything to me

i just stick with good ol' alcohol

[Drizzy Drake]

But alteast you aren't hypocritical. I have when peopel go "oh I won't have a bong, that **** is gross. :D A 26ER. Give me some".

[Caael]

Everybody gives drugs such a bad reputation when they're really not that bad. Most kids since like their first school year have had it drilled into their heads that drugs are the worst things on earth when they're really not.

[Eugine]

Wifle, it just seems wasteful to me x.x
I personally have friends who smoke weed, and I've actually seen a few high, but honestly I dunno why they do it >>. I usually just go somewhere else.

And yeah, I'm not the persons who say "I'll never do this!". I were in situations where I could have smoked, but honestly refused x.x
hmm, I just can't see myself doing something that has negative consequences (physical, social, etc.). To show how extreme I am - I can't even say 'd!ck' in real life x.x
I know, a bit weird x.x

[Golden Legacy]

.eugine, on Feb 25 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

Wifle, it just seems wasteful to me x.x
I personally have friends who smoke weed, and I've actually seen a few high, but honestly I dunno why they do it >>. I usually just go somewhere else.

And yeah, I'm not the persons who say "I'll never do this!". I were in situations where I could have smoked, but honestly refused x.x
hmm, I just can't see myself doing something that has negative consequences (physical, social, etc.). To show how extreme I am - I can't even say 'd!ck' in real life x.x
I know, a bit weird x.x

I can relate to this completely, word for word. I have friends who've done drugs/alcohol, and I've been in plenty of situations where I could have done it if I wanted to, but I chose not to. Same thing with the language - I choose not to say words like that.

It's all a choice - and it's NOT ok for anyone to criticize it.

[Drizzy Drake]

And that is why I don't critisize people who don't do drugs.

[Eugine]

The right choice is to not do drugs btw =)
Sucks that peer pressure is a deciding factor in doing drugs.

[Caael]

Kinda :D

Well I wouldn't have done them if Sam hadn't introduced me to them. He's not a heavy user, he gets it from his mates. I wouldn't actually buy it from a dealer, if I was going to have any it would be from a mate and that's it.

[Moonear]

I don't see the point of doing drugs or even alcohol. It's just a waste of money for something that'll give you a false sense of joy and many health problems.

[Wiflewood]

ihatekraden, on Feb 25 2008, 10:44 PM, said:

I don't see the point of doing drugs or even alcohol. It's just a waste of money for something that'll give you a false sense of joy and many health problems.

Why is it a 'false' sense of joy? It seems enjoyable enough to me. Just because its not the kind of "I-helped-an-old-lady-cross-the-road-I-feel-so-good-about-myself-joy" doesn't mean its not enjoyable.

[Moonear]

Doesn't it go away after a while, and don't you feel even worse when it's gone away?

[Saturos S.]

Alcohol makes the world go round.

I wouldn't say it makes the party fun, but it sure helps. Also I don't really drink alcohol for the alcohol anymore, I just like the taste. The alchohol feeling kind of helps, but it's a sort of taste really.

[Drizzy Drake]

Wiflewood, on Feb 25 2008, 06:29 PM, said:

Why is it a 'false' sense of joy? It seems enjoyable enough to me. Just because its not the kind of "I-helped-an-old-lady-cross-the-road-I-feel-so-good-about-myself-joy" doesn't mean its not enjoyable.

Exactly.

ihatekraden, on Feb 25 2008, 06:31 PM, said:

Doesn't it go away after a while, and don't you feel even worse when it's gone away?

Not nessecarily. Cocaine come downs are very enjoyable, and though you want it a little, it isn't a bad comedown. I actually enjoy the coke come down. Shrooms and Acid barely have a comedown. You jsut feel a little loopy because everything isn't all, hallucinagenic(sp) anymore. The only thing that coems from a weed comedown is you feel a little sleepy. The only drug that really has a bad comedown is Ecstasy, but it's a 6 hours high before that happens.

And besides, doesn't the good feeling of helping a lady cross the street, or helping somebody move go away too? All good feelnigs will go away, and the drug one lasts longer than any other feeling that a good deed brings.

Just because it goes away, doesn't mean it wasn't worth it.

[MaznAzn]

Wiflewood, on Feb 25 2008, 04:23 AM, said:

Its not really gonna wreck your body if you do it just once

That's where it all starts. "Oh it won't hurt, just try it." See, if that were the case, they wouldn't have laws against it or the D.E.A. (Drug Enforcement Administration.) Sure, it might not harm you once, but after a while, you get the urge to try it again...and again...and again. Pretty soon you get the urge to try something harder, darker, and you try it....again...and again...and again.

It's a slippery slope, and I just feel it's safer not to go skiing on that mountain at all. (Like my analogy? B))

[Drizzy Drake]

Um ,if you have soem self controle, you cna controle that urge. Let's talk coke for this one. Sure, if you end up becomnig addicted, it is hard to fight it, but if you only do it once a month, and you have some self controle, that 24 hours of wnating it after should be easy to go through. It's really not that bad, it is thoguh when you cave into the need for it, and get more.

Oh ya, weed(the lightest, and less hardest drug of them all) doesn't nessecarily leed to oter drugs. That is the biggest misconception about pot.

[Eugine]

No one who do drugs has self control.

Anyway, I admit weed doesn't really have a long term physical harm, but most weed users are a nuisance to society...

[Drizzy Drake]

Naw man, alot of weed users are good for the society. It makes them more calm ,more relaxed, and more into what is gonig on around you.

ANd I disagre. People who do drugs can still have self controle. If you do drugs, it doesn't mean you don't have self controle, it cna mean you jsut liek the feeling. People know of the bad things that can happen, but they do it by THEIR choice, and not becasue they need it. Some peopel do though, but not everybody. Alot of people know how to handle their drugs.

[Eugine]

Just because something feels good, doesn't make it right.

Yeah, some people enjoy the feeling of raping someone, killing someone, over eating, thiefing, just name it... Does it make it right? It's all about self control man.
Yeah, I'm feeling the urge to have sex now, I should go rape the next person I see!

I wouldn't doubt, the thought of doing drugs came up in my mind, actually, I would be rather shocked if someone never had the thought, but you know what makes us humans different? The fact that we can think things through logically, and frankly doing weed just to 'enjoy the feeling' is bad. I dunno about your family and friends, but mines will be devastated if I went into drugs, and frankly I think doing drugs is selfish.

Why do you only consider the physical harm?

[Golden Legacy]

What Eugine said, perfectly.

Besides, I don't see where you're coming from Skidz - a few less drug/alcohol users can't be bad for society. It only helps.

[Drizzy Drake]

I do think it through. I looked at the pros and cons, and I still decide to do it. Sure, I looked at the possibility of death, but I could more likely die walknig down the steet, than I could from E.

I look at what it could do for my school work. I get a 95 average, so it isnt effecting that.

I look at how it could effectm y personal life. My friends dont mind. It isnt effecting that.

It isnt selfish. Everybody handles drugs differently, and if you can handle them well, then nobobdy should be mad for you doing them.

I mena, anybody who drinks alcohal, ahs no right to ***** t drug users, sicne its the same thing. You want a good feeling. An even if yo udont drink alcohal, but have no problem with it, then you also have no right to tell people not to do drgus. Not "you" specifically, but anybody.

[Laharl]

.eugine, on Feb 26 2008, 01:48 AM, said:

No one who do drugs has self control.

quite right Eugine, i've done maybe a dozen spliffs in 2 years, i obviously know nothing about self control >>;

[Eugine]

Don't think your friends care about you then honestly. I dunno what friend has no problem with a friend doing E/weed/coke and the remainder of the list.

Edit: Laharl, ah well, I know my views are a bit extreme, but I honestly think someone who do drugs lack self control. Come on, how can someone do something that has the potential to do major dmg?

[Laharl]

most of my friends are heavy weed smokers actually, i have to be really bored or really drunk to join in though, even then i turn it down a lot of the time

your post makes a lot more sense in reference to Skid XD

in response to your edit, my friends do smoke it alot but they're not hopelessly addicted. i know people get addicted to the point of stealing for drug money, i just thought i'd point out you were generslizing again :b

[Drizzy Drake]

How. You can have self controle and still do drugs. If you way the pros and cons, and still make that choice, then it means you have self controle.

@ Eugine-SOme of my friends have done E/Coke, and crap. ANd for the friends that jsut smoke pot, they see how it isn't effecting me in a bad way.

Like, I'm on E right now, and do you see any difference in the way I am posting. ANd I know it's ahrd to tell if yo uweren't right here with me, but I am functioning perfectly fine.

[Laharl]

Dipset, on Feb 26 2008, 02:17 AM, said:

Like, I'm on E right now, and do you see any difference in the way I am posting.

you've gotta admit it is a lot better than his drunken posting XP

[Drizzy Drake]

It is in NO way different than my normal posting. And see, being drunk worsens you than drugs do. You can function on drugs, but if yo uread my drunken posting, you will realise it is hard to do even the simplest of tasks.

But ya, the way I am posting now is no different than my sober posting. If I hadn't mentioned it, nobody would have noticed. People knew in a second I was drunk.

[Eugine]

Well, not really. You always type like that...

Anyway, it's like this -
Raping someone once a year, vs raping someone every day. Yeah, lol. Beat that analogy <3

Anyway man, I it's your life. No one can dictate it, but you =)

[Drizzy Drake]

That raping thing was....surreal. B).

I don't type like I do when I was drunk.

BUt yes, it is great that you guys are concerned, but I am jsut syaing that I know what I am doing. I have researched drugs SOOO much. If I couldn't handle them, I would stop. Like when I was addicted to E. I realised that I couldn't handle it anymore, and I stopped. Now, I can do it 1-4 tiems a month, and I am perfectlly fine.

[Eugine]

Oh, I was responding to your previous post if there's any misconception.

[Laharl]

you clealy cant handle your ale :/

if it wasnt for my declarations of drunkeness in TRT, the only difference between by sober and drunk posts is that i bait more when i'm drunk

getting drunk to the point of vomitting is just stupid, but a few a good pints are hard to beat. i stop myself when i get to certain level of drunkness, somewhere around the 10 pint mark

[Drizzy Drake]

Yes, I clearly can't handle my drinking, and I know tihs, and that is why I will only do it every couple of monthes. In 2008, I've drank once, well, twice if you count New Years.

ANd so far in 2008 I've done E 4 tiems if you include New Years. I know how to handle my drugs. I didnt always, but I do now.

But yes, when I drink, I always drink too much. I dont alwasy puke, but Ill be stumbling, and just messed up B).

[Wiflewood]

Twice in 2008?

I'm at the pub every week.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Dipset, on Feb 26 2008, 03:35 AM, said:

Yes, I clearly can't handle my drinking, and I know tihs, and that is why I will only do it every couple of monthes. In 2008, I've drank once, well, twice if you count New Years.

ANd so far in 2008 I've done E 4 tiems if you include New Years. I know how to handle my drugs. I didnt always, but I do now.

But yes, when I drink, I always drink too much. I dont alwasy puke, but Ill be stumbling, and just messed up :).

Yeah I've got the same thing with drinking. Just about 1 and a half year ago, everytime when I took one little sip of alcohol I always ended up wasted. That's why I rarely drink anymore, cause I know my self control sucks, yes I admit it!

Weed on the other hand, doesn't give me this addiction like I get from drinking alcohol. When you drink alcohol it makes you more outgoing and you dare to do more, which makes you want to have more. Weed makes me relax, and I don't mostly have the urge to smoke more unless I don't really 'feel' the effects (unlike yesterday... B) ).

Though I don't say that weed ISN'T addictive! Cause mentally, it is. Of coarse this depends on the person, but in my case I can say there've been times when 'Green Friday' was the sole motivation for me to actually do something.

The only other drug I did besides marriuana and hashish are mushrooms, and even though I've had fun doing them I doubt that I'll do them once more. Maybe I'll try Ecstacy once as well, but further I'm not planning to go...

[Drizzy Drake]

I would reccomend doing E once. Make sure you get it from somebdoy you trust, and if the pills look dodgey(crumble easiley, hard to make out the logo), then don't take them.

Just do it once, and chill with friends. Oh, and definetly listen to music.

[Wiflewood]

Pills are the most dodgy though, just because its the hardest to tell what your getting isn't dodgy.

On that note though, my mate once bought 3 grams of coke for £120 ($240?) and it turned out to be flour.

[Drizzy Drake]

Wiat, you are saying he's getting LESS than an 8-ball for 240$ B). Wow. Ha, I get my 8-balls's for 150$. Now that is cheap as hell, but still, normal price is 200$. Oh well. Ya, tha sucks to be him. He shouldn't taken a bump, or tasted a little. That must have sucked big time.

Ya, whenever I am getting powder, I alwasy taste it, and take a little bump. If it's good coke, it'll numb your mouth out in seconds, and well, even with a little bump, you'll feel the rush.

But yes, pills can be very dangerous. They could include ketamine,meth,cocaine,heroin,lsd,PCP, or caffeine. That's why I say either buy off somebody who you REALLY trust, or buy a pill tester. They are cheap, and work GREAT. you take off a little power, and drop tihs liquid of on it, and then jsut watch what colours it turns to. If it goes to jet black within 5 seconds, you are lookngi at a pure, 100% MDMA pill.

[Wiflewood]

Prices here are from between £30-£40 for a gram, depending on how good it is.

[Drizzy Drake]

How much is that in Canadian prices?

[Caael]

well in USD, £30 is about $70 and £40 is roughly $90

[Eugine]

This topic is starting to border offensive imo..

[Golden Legacy]

Mm. Well, that's all nice everyone, I'll stick with the non-substance lifestyle.

[Drizzy Drake]

That pricing soudns abotu good.

@Eugine-Well it is a topic abotu DRUGS, wouldn't you expect it to be in some ways controversial?



Oh, and an 8-Ball for you non-drug-educated people, is 3.5 grams.

[Someone Else]

I've too much self-respect to do something potentially harmful to my mind and/or body.

[Eugine]

Not controversial, but offensive. I have no idea how you can recommend someone to try E.
Oh well, more and more I continue to appreciate the people I share my life experiences with =)

[MaznAzn]

Dipset, on Feb 25 2008, 09:02 PM, said:

I look at what it could do for my school work. I get a 95 average, so it isnt effecting that.

That made me laugh. It's "affecting" not "effecting". And control doesn't have an e at the end. 95 average? B)

Anyways, back on topic. This seems to be a huge debate, and although some argue that some drugs "relax" you, it's because like alcohol, those drugs are "depressants" (rather than stimulants like E). It's actually slowing down your body, decreasing your reaction time and your thought processing.

Though I know we're mostly talking about E, this was a good video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyXFN4ocN_o...feature=related

[Drizzy Drake]

I never debated the fact that it calms you becasue it is a depressent. I don't know why they call it that, becasue NOTHING abotu weed is depressing, but whatever.

@ Eugine-You are right. I am suggesting people doing E. Honestly, it will be one of the best things you ever experience, if you get a good pill. I am not saying do it alot. I am not saying go out and do 6 pills, I am saying, go to a friends house, pop a pill or two back, and just have fun. I don't find it offensive. I know I proably shouldn't be telling people to do drugs, but honestly, the feeling you get on good E, is wonderfull. Especially if you find good quality, high MDMA content Ecstasy. There is a VERY small risk that you will die from MDMA alone(200 a year, like I said before. Driving will kill you faster), and that small risk, is well worth the experience you get.

[Ironsight]

.eugine, on Feb 26 2008, 04:52 PM, said:

Not controversial, but offensive. I have no idea how you can recommend someone to try E.
Oh well, more and more I continue to appreciate the people I share my life experiences with =)

You could just not read the posts.

[Lemontime]

Wind Dude, on Feb 27 2008, 11:32 AM, said:

I've too much self-respect to do something potentially harmful to my mind and/or body.

Nobody said you had to.

[Drizzy Drake]

The thing I hate the msot is that alot of peopel beleive everything the government says abotu drugs, even thoguh scientists have proven that weed, and Ecstasy are relativly harmless, don't really lead to violence, and won't make you turn into a maniac killer.

I honestly jsut wish that for one full day, everybody could have the feeling of pure MDMA, not actually tkaing the pill or anything, but jsut get the feeling, just to see what the experience is really like.

[Caael]

Everybody gives drugs such a bad reputation when they're not that bad. In films and stuff you see drug users as agressive psychopaths, which in reality, is so far from the truth.

[PDM]

MaznAzn, on Feb 26 2008, 05:03 PM, said:

That made me laugh. It's "affecting" not "effecting". And control doesn't have an e at the end. 95 average? :D

Damn! Who cares?

[Lemontime]

MaznAzn, on Feb 27 2008, 12:03 PM, said:

That made me laugh. It's "affecting" not "effecting". And control doesn't have an e at the end. 95 average? :D

He made TWO common errors, drugs must be ruining his brain and causing him to die a slow and painfull death.

[Elliott]

Really? Really? Am I going to be the first to do it? Wow...

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Land/4801/Mr_Mackey.jpg

But really, I think there are better things to spend a day / night doing than drugs that are more beneficial and productive for you both mentally and physically. I think constant drug use is just detrimental to the mind and body, as that time could be spent reading, listening to / writing music, using the gym, studying, working etc. Maybe once in a while as a recreational thing (as I have done a few times) is a good way to enjoy yourself with some close friends, but constant use (multiple times a week or numerous times a month) can't be that great for you.

[Split Infinity]

Your arguments are compelling. Anybody know where I can buy some of these 'drugs'?

[Drizzy Drake]

@ Caael-You are exactly right. I have never seen somebody do coke, then go out and kill people, or somebody smoke a joint, and then steal a car and go joyriding.

@ Elliot-But constant use of lesser drugs liek Marijuana, is not all that bad. Seeing as you play video games, and cna I assume drive, there is still a risk of sezures, or getting into a car crash right? Then why do you still do those things? Because they are FUN(well, driving gets you palces, but still). Everything you do in life has risks, but yo ustill do them, becasue that is what life is about, taking risks and having fun. And don't go on some shpeil abotu how "oh drugs are more dangerous so THAT'S why I play video games every day but won't touch drugs".

[Caael]

Totally, skidz. Everybody is so...whats the word...reluctant to do drugs as they think if they go near them their life is ruined for ever and they're screwed for life, but that never happens.

[Drizzy Drake]

It can for harder drugs like say, Crack, or Meth, but they treat a bong of Marijuana, to be as bad as a hoot off of a crack rock, when they are SOOOO far apart.

[Caael]

Yeah, people dont know the difference between drugs, they just make a connection: drugs=bad, when thats just one side of the story. People dont take drugs because they're horrible people who murder and rape others, people take drugs for the same reason people play videogames, listen to music etc; because its fun. They get such a bad reputation for no reason. Its just that people think that because some drugs have a few side effects, if you go within a mile of the drug, you will get the side effects and die, which is totally untrue.

[Drizzy Drake]

Exactly. And I've tried to make the arguement that even playing video games, or walking down the streets is risky, but no, people won't listen. They are so closed minded, that even if video games may cause sezures, they still play them, but when they hear the word drug, they bash it because of what the media, and their government is telling them abotu it.

[Elliott]

I never said they were bad as a recreational thing, as I have done Marijuana myself on several occasions, but I do believe the time could be better spent elsewhere. Oh, and I don't play video games anymore, and I haven't driven in a long time. Everything has risks, but I think taking ecstasy or any other hard drug has a higher risk or something bad happening than an experience driver taking his car for a spin.

[Drizzy Drake]

Ecstasy is NOT a hard drug. Ecstasy is the street name for MDMA, which, has been scientifically proven, is abotu as dangerous as pot. Now, Ecstasy msot of the times has other chemicals in it which make it dangerous, but people don't dont research(not aimed at you) and they jsut beleive that because some kid in California died from a pill of Ecstasy, that it is the devil's drug. It's really not. I've said this from page 1, that drugs can be safe, if you make them safe. If you get a pill tester, and test the pill you are abotu to buy, and it coems up pure MDMA, then you should be safe, but alot of people who do drugs, are jsut stupid abotu it, and those people put a bad name on drugs. If you get weed, look at it, and if it is white, then you don't have to buy it.

ANd people will say "oh that white stuff is jsut the THC crystals", WRONG, weed with alot of crystals, and weed with cocaine of it looks dramatically different. If you are gonig to do drgus, do them safely, and don't be ratarded about it.


If you have noticed, I am strongly against Crack, and Meth, and PCP(even thoguh I've done PCP once, but I was stupid back then), becasue those drugs, even if they are 100% PURE, are VERY dangerous.

[Split Infinity]

Nobody has answered my question...

[Drizzy Drake]

Which one was that again?

EDIT-Oh. Well. You can find drgus basically anywhere. Drug dealers can be people you would have never thought of.

Malls ussually have pot dealers, so check there.



Oh and just so you don't call me dumb, I know you were joking.