[Zeypher]

The Conduit is a FPS title in development by High Voltage Software for the Wii. They're goal is to set a new standard for 3rd Party developers (they say that 3rd Party devs aren't making their Wii games to their full ability, which is very true.), set a new bar for Mature FPSs on the Wii, and make an amazing game.

So far so good, eh?

High Voltage said they want to make a FPS title for the Wii that can compete with games like Halo, in terms of graphics.
So far they're doing it:
http://i32.tinypic.com/x6j7ty.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/348pv1u.jpg

The game runs on a new engine made by High Voltage, called the "Quantum3 Engine". According to High Voltage, the inspiration for the controls were from Medal of Honor Heroes 2 and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. They also said the controls will be highly customizable, more than in MoHH2.

The Story

High Voltage said The Conduit is a straight-forward FPS, like Halo and Ressistance- Fall of Man. Only The Conduit will have more game play aspects, puzzles, and story.

Also, all the screenshots were taken in real time, which means that they were taken while someone was playing it on the Wii hardware...so in other words the graphics aren't fake concept art.
Theres only one problem...The Conduit doesn't have a Publisher yet. That'll change soon for sure!

Discuss!


Updates
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[Laharl]

wow! it looks like every other FPS made in the last three years!

generic doesnt even begin to cover it....

yet another member for the Halo troupe of mediocrity

[Zeypher]

Laharl, on Apr 20 2008, 10:14 AM, said:

wow! it looks like every other FPS made in the last three years!

generic doesnt even begin to cover it....

Most FPS, with the exseption of Metroid (which is more like a FPA) are generic...because you run around and shoot. Only ones with a story are non-generic...and the last one like that was Goldeneye 007. Halo started a bad trend :wacko:

[Laharl]

Zeypher, on Apr 20 2008, 05:16 PM, said:

Halo started a bad trend :wacko:

yes. yes it did.

i remember when FPS games used to be fun and original, most notably the Timesplitters games

[TheEnglishman]

TimeSplitters was great. It was like Dr Who with violence.
I'd have to agree with Laharl though. It does sound kinda generic. The alien invasion idea has been done too many times. That doesn't mean it's a bad game, just not an original one.

[Zeypher]

I've never played Timespliters...what system is it for?

[Laharl]

the original should be avoided like death itself ( for the record it was PS2)
TS2 was PS2/GC/X-BOX
TS: Future Perfect was PS2/X-BOX

easily the best FPS series in my opinion

[Toasty]

Despite how generic this might be, it looks like it'll be one of the better (and extremely few) FPS's for the Wii. I might buy it, but then again, I've said that about a lot of games for the Wii that I still haven't bought. :o

Now we only need some decent RPG's.

[Someone Else]

Laharl, on Apr 20 2008, 09:14 AM, said:

wow! it looks like every other FPS made in the last three years!

generic doesnt even begin to cover it....

yet another member for the Halo troupe of mediocrity

Hot damn, you judge pretty quickly. Can an FPS be generic if it's using the Wiimote to aim?

Regardless, I have yet to own an FPS on the Wii, and this could be the one I'll get first.

Holy **** though, if the game still looks like that when it's released and keeps a decent frame rate, it'll stop the "Wii isn't powerful enough" talk.

[Laharl]

i'm sory but that article are made me more cynical than excited.

Allow me to correct myself: It looks like everyother FPS made in the last three years, only with shittier controls

[Split Infinity]

It would look a whole lot better if they gave it some anti-aliasing. I know the screenshots are early, but the jaggies are really hard to miss. My PS2 can handle better graphics than that.

[Golden Legacy]

I have to admit, I'm really impressed by The Conduit. Say what you will about the FPS genre, the fact that it's being built from the ground-up for Wii - entirely - and achieving fairly amazing technical results so far, it's a considerable achievement; it takes a lot for a 3rd party company to risk putting so much effort and resources into a project like this, especially for the Wii.

I rarely say this about FPS games, but this is one I'm keeping an eye on, and I am personally hoping very much that it will succeed. Kudos to you, High Voltage Software.

[TheEnglishman]

The graphics look a little weak to me though. I guess it just comes from seeing all these super realistic screenshots from 360 and PS3.

[Zeypher]

Me111, on Apr 22 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

The graphics look a little weak to me though. I guess it just comes from seeing all these super realistic screenshots from 360 and PS3.

Yeah, but it's still fairly early in development.

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It looks like everyother FPS made in the last three years, only with ****tier controls

Have you played Metroid Prime 3: Corruption or MoHH2? Both of those games had great controls, and it said in the IGN article that High Voltage is basing the controls off those games. It also said that the controls will be highly customizable, so theres a chance that if you're an anti-wiimote person then you can use the Classic Controller or the GCN Controller too.

Also...High Voltage is out licensing their Quantum3 Engine to 3rd Party Devs for Wii games...So now 3rd Party Devs (especially Ubi) have no excuse for making half-assed games.

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Now we only need some decent RPG's.

New Tales game...never played any in the series but I heard they're pretty cool.

And heres a WiiWare title that High Voltage is making with the Quantum3 Engine. It looks pretty good, considering that it's WiiWare and theres a 48mb limit.
http://wii.ign.com/a...8/868645p1.html

[Caael]

Laharl, on Apr 20 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

yes. yes it did.

i remember when FPS games used to be fun and original, most notably the Timesplitters games

OMFG I LOVE TIMESPLITTERS! Most of my Childhood was spent on Timesplitters 2+3, and not a single minute wasted :(

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High Voltage said they want to make a FPS title for the Wii that can compete with games like Halo, and look like a 360 game in terms of graphics.
So far they're doing it:

No, no they're not doing it so far. It's physically not possible for this to have grahpics on par with the 360, because the Wii simply isnt powerful enough. Plus it's going to need a very, very big fanbase if it's going to compete with Halo. I'm not kissing Halo's *** here, but it's clearly the better game here. Why dont Ninty just stick with Metroid and stop trying to be better than everybody else, because they're clearly not.

I have nothing against the game, for a Wii game it's looking quite good but it doesnt have a hope in hell of competing with Halo; graphics or popularity-wise.

Edit: http://i28.tinypic.com/2v8im1x.jpg

That is not a screenshot, that is concept art I swear on my life.

Edit 2: http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/...17032705723.jpg

Wtf, the monster in that looks like something out of Half Life 1

[Laharl]

Zeypher, on Apr 23 2008, 10:43 PM, said:

Yeah, but it's still fairly early in development.
Have you played Metroid Prime 3: Corruption or MoHH2? Both of those games had great controls, and it said in the IGN article that High Voltage is basing the controls off those games. It also said that the controls will be highly customizable, so theres a chance that if you're an anti-wiimote person then you can use the Classic Controller or the GCN Controller too.

Also...High Voltage is out licensing their Quantum3 Engine to 3rd Party Devs for Wii games...So now 3rd Party Devs (especially Ubi) have no excuse for making half-assed games.
New Tales game...never played any in the series but I heard they're pretty cool.

lets get something straight here "i heard.... doesnt count for ****, you either provide evidence to support your view or you have first hand experience, NO EXCEPTIONS.

Have i offended your honour or something for daring to have to the gaul to criticise something Ninetendo because you seem to be unnecessaryly over defensive

Caael, on Apr 23 2008, 11:26 PM, said:

OMFG I LOVE TIMESPLITTERS! Most of my Childhood was spent on Timesplitters 2+3, and not a single minute wasted :(

+++++++++++++ Cool Points.

i'm seriously impressed, i thought you were to the darkside of FPS bull**** forever

[Zeypher]

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Have i offended your honour or something for daring to have to the gaul to criticise something Ninetendo because you seem to be unnecessaryly over defensive

lol...no...I was just throwing out an RPG out there. Yah, most of the Wii RPGs do suck...Dragon Quest and Baroque both fail.

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Why dont Ninty just stick with Metroid and stop trying to be better than everybody else, because they're clearly not.

Better than everybody else at FPS? I don't think Nintendo is...they only have Metroid...and it was High Voltage's choice to put this game on the Wii.

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I have nothing against the game, for a Wii game it's looking quite good but it doesnt have a hope in hell of competing with Halo; graphics or popularity-wise.

Probably not here in the US or in Europe...but theres a slight possibility it can be big in Japan...but I doubt it. Halo pretty much owns the FPS these days :\

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OMFG I LOVE TIMESPLITTERS! Most of my Childhood was spent on Timesplitters 2+3, and not a single minute wasted :(

lol...I might have to try out these Timespliters games.

[Golden Legacy]

Caael, on Apr 23 2008, 06:26 PM, said:

No, no they're not doing it so far. It's physically not possible for this to have grahpics on par with the 360, because the Wii simply isnt powerful enough. Plus it's going to need a very, very big fanbase if it's going to compete with Halo. I'm not kissing Halo's *** here, but it's clearly the better game here. Why dont Ninty just stick with Metroid and stop trying to be better than everybody else, because they're clearly not.

No one is saying that it's going to have graphics that rival 360, that's obviously impossible. The point here - and the one you seem to be missing - is that the game makes the absolute best of Wii hardware. No where near PS3/360 strength technically, but what it will do is have certain features that appear on those other consoles that previously has NOT been done on the Wii - texture mapping, real-time lighting, buffer mapping, etc.

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I have nothing against the game, for a Wii game it's looking quite good but it doesnt have a hope in hell of competing with Halo; graphics or popularity-wise.

That remains to be seen. After all, all franchises and games have to start somewhere, right?

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Edit: http://i28.tinypic.com/2v8im1x.jpg

That is not a screenshot, that is concept art I swear on my life.

"I swear on my life", now that's convincing evidence right there.

[Caael]

Either it's concept art, or a screenshot from the original Half Life.

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That remains to be seen. After all, all franchises and games have to start somewhere, right?

Has a sequel been announced already?

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No one is saying that it's going to have graphics that rival 360, that's obviously impossible. The point here - and the one you seem to be missing - is that the game makes the absolute best of Wii hardware. No where near PS3/360 strength technically, but what it will do is have certain features that appear on those other consoles that previously has NOT been done on the Wii - texture mapping, real-time lighting, buffer mapping, etc.

I was just basing it off the OP, where Zepheyer said it could rival Halo and i'm guessing he was talking grahpics as well. It's impressive that it uses everything the Wii has got, but will the top knotch graphics affect the frame rate?

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+++++++++++++ Cool Points.

i'm seriously impressed, i thought you were to the darkside of FPS bull**** forever

What, just because of Halo? How can you say Gears, Bioshock, HL2, TF2 are crap? Halo's not a bad game, people just give it much, much more credit than it deserves.

[Golden Legacy]

Caael, again, that all depends. If the game is a success and proves that there's an audience for it on Wii, then by all means we can certainly see a sequel (High Voltage has also expressed this interest).


More importantly however, wonderful news!

Really great news. The folks at High Voltage let me know yesterday that since our posting of The Conduit preview, 10 publishers have come calling to bring the game to Wii. I have to think that sooner or later they'll sign on with someone officially and we'll see the title on retail shelves as a result.

I think from reader responses that there is an audience for a game of this type on Wii. In fact, I'd say that the hardcore audience demands it. Third-party publishers really do need to stop analyzing near-anecdotal evidence and making broad predictions about what will and won't sell on Wii. Sure, Scarface was an M-rated game that sold poorly on Wii, but it was also a very late port with no additional content.

Get Wii owners something original. Get them an AAA experience. And if that title bombs, then we'll talk.

Source: Matt Casamassina, IGN Wii

[Drizzy Drake]

Laharl, on Apr 23 2008, 07:04 PM, said:

lets get something straight here "i heard.... doesnt count for ****, you either provide evidence to support your view or you have first hand experience, NO EXCEPTIONS.

Have i offended your honour or something for daring to have to the gaul to criticise something Ninetendo because you seem to be unnecessaryly over defensive
+++++++++++++ Cool Points.

I told you hew was a overly big Ninty fanboy.

[Someone Else]

Sheesh, you're all judging pretty quickly. I read something on the IGN forums for the game and I think the person said it pretty well:

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Okay, so the screenshots are of a game so early in development (and seemingly with no publisher budget) that its hard to tell - graphically - where the game will end up, there - so far - seems to be a lack of interest (in terms of publishing partner) shown towards the game and nobody has seen the game in motion.

However. I'm intrigued. The concept is pretty cool and while, on the 360, this vein of game seems a bit saturated, on Wii it is still a seldom travelled avenue. With controls like MoHH2 and graphics like Metroid Prime 3 this could easily be one of Wii's better games. It has certainly struck a nerve with the Nintendo hardcore.

The FPS genre is pretty unexplored on the Wii... I'd blame this on Red Steel as it was met with pretty harsh criticism from reviewers and normal gamers. If this game has good controls and some fun shooting action I think we have a winner.

[Zeypher]

I think that guy pretty much nailed it.

And that is great news GL!

[Zeypher]

This deserves a BUMP.

Trailer Article- http://wii.ign.com/a...4/874796p1.html
Trailer (for lazy people who don't like to read)- http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14248157/th...ler_051608.html

This game looks so sick. I usually don't get hyped for FPSs other than Metroid or 007, but wow.

[Split Infinity]

The graphics still need a lot of work especially on the textures, though the game looks rather impressive 1:00-1:12.

[Zeypher]

Split Infinity, on May 16 2008, 10:11 PM, said:

The graphics still need a lot of work especially on the textures, though the game looks rather impressive 1:00-1:12.

You also have to keep in mind that the game doesn't have a Publisher yet...but yeah, the graphics could be better, but they're still pretty good.

[Split Infinity]

Well, the Wii definitely has the potential to look good. The console has been clocked at over twice the processing power of the PS2, which was capable of some pretty amazing things.

[TheEnglishman]

It doesn't look too bad, and there was a suggestion of some puzzles in the gameplay as well. Looks interesting.

[Laharl]

*yaaaawn*

nothing i havent seen in atleast 10 other titles.

[TheEnglishman]

I'd agree, yet I like the look of it anyway. I guess I like the comfortable feel of a tried and tested formula. It may be generic, but it can't be labeled as crap (at least not until it goes on sale).

[Split Infinity]

Laharl, a game doesn't have to be original to be good. The execution is what matters most; innovation doesn't mean jack if you don't support it with decent gameplay.

[Laharl]

yours is the mindset that's destroying the game industry. have fun playing Gran Turismo 379 Super X Turbo: The next generation.

[Split Infinity]

I'm going to assume you're one of the few people who enjoyed using the Power Glove.

[TheEnglishman]

To be honest Laharl, I'd agree with Split. A game that can pull off an established formula well is just as good as one with a good original concept in my eyes. Obviously it doesn't always work out well, but not every original game is great either.
@Split:I think that's the best comeback I've seen you do.

[Split Infinity]

As my friend once said: Every video game is just a hyperpixelated version of Pong.

[Laharl]

Split Infinity, on May 17 2008, 11:27 AM, said:

I'm going to assume you're one of the few people who enjoyed using the Power Glove.

i'm waiting for the inevitable Wii version :b

[Someone Else]

For a game that may not even be 20% complete, I think it looks VERY promising.

[Caael]

The controls look really dodgy. Those who are used to conventional gamepad FPS controls are going to have a hard time adjusting.

[Someone Else]

You think mouse/keyboard is dodgy. You don't deserve an opinion. =/

[Zeypher]

I think it's nearly impossible to tell how good the controls will be based off of that trailer, and if you could, they look pretty good to me considering they don't show much.

[Golden Legacy]

The Conduit just topped the list of my most anticipated Wii titles. The trailer, for a game that doesn't even have a publisher yet, looks immensely promising. I've been using Metroid Prime 3: Corruption as the standard to compare it against, and just from what we've seen, it could possibly trump it in both graphics and FPS control.

[Someone Else]

Yeah, it's been made apparent how much effort the developers have put into it. And without a publisher! I'm watching this, for sure.

[Zeypher]

I'm just hoping Ubisoft or EA don't publish it =\

[Someone Else]

That would pretty much ruin the game.

[Laharl]

i really cant see why WD is excited about this.

EA would not only ruin but continue their defilement with yearly sequels

[Zeypher]

Not too mention EA likes to make games exclusive to every console, lawl.

[Someone Else]

*shrug* It's a genre that is overly saturated on every other console, and hasn't seen much action on the Wii. From what the trailer shows, they've got a lot going for it without a publisher.

It can only get better with a publisher, hence it has a lot of potential. If it wasn't on the Wii I'd be a lot less excited.

[Toasty]

Laharl, on May 18 2008, 03:03 PM, said:

i really cant see why WD is excited about this.

EA would not only ruin but continue their defilement with yearly sequels

Just because they make sequels doesn't mean you have to buy them. As long as the first one is good, I'll be happy. If the sequels are at least half decent, I'll be even happier.

And like WD said, the Wii doesn't have very many FPS's. In my eye's, that throws genericness out the window for now. If more FPS's come along, then genericness can play a role in whether to buy or not and come back into the house.

...after it pays to get the window fixed.

[Laharl]

Toasty, on May 19 2008, 07:02 AM, said:

In my eye's, that throws genericness out the window for now.

....you're officially an idiot.

the game is no longer generic because you do things that are in every other shooter with the wiimote instead of regular pad?

huzzah foer tard logic

[TheEnglishman]

I'd agree with Laharl (albeit in a slightly less cynical tone). A new control scheme doesn't really change the game itself. Using that logic, you could argue that playing Halo with a dancemat would be a completely different experience.

[Toasty]

I'm not talking about control scheme. I mean it's a different platform. One that doesn't get shooters very often (good ones at least). I could care less if it's generic, as long as it doesn't suck balls.

[Laharl]

"generic" and 'sucks balls'" are very XP

[Someone Else]

If you don't care about IR or motion controls, fine. But I do, and I think shooters have potential on the Wii with it. If The Conduit is successful, it'll likely be followed by more shooters, likely some really unique ones.

[Split Infinity]

Me111, on May 19 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

I'd agree with Laharl (albeit in a slightly less cynical tone). A new control scheme doesn't really change the game itself. Using that logic, you could argue that playing Halo with a dancemat would be a completely different experience.

But playing Halo with a dancemat AND a Wiimote...that would be epic.

[Toasty]

stfu.

I think shooters could be awesome on the Wii. But it's just not my reasoning for getting this game. As long as it's better than what the Wii already has (which shouldn't be too hard to do), I'll be happy. Motion sensing or not. Though it's obviously going to have motion sensing, and that'll be sweet.

[Split Infinity]

Pretty much nobody will buy it if it lacks motion sensing.

[Laharl]

Wind Dude, on May 20 2008, 02:45 AM, said:

If you don't care about IR or motion controls, fine. But I do, and I think shooters have potential on the Wii with it. If The Conduit is successful, it'll likely be followed by more shooters, likely some really unique ones.

Wii shooters will always be crippled by a lack of any decent online multiplayer.

[Zeypher]

Laharl, on May 20 2008, 03:44 AM, said:

Wii shooters will always be crippled by a lack of any decent online multiplayer.

MoHH2 had more than decent online multiplayer.

[Golden Legacy]

I'm sorry, did I just see Laharl get burned?

At any rate, it's about the execution of the core game, Laharl. Online is not something that is emphasized with Wii.

[TheEnglishman]

But surely online play is one of the main reasons to get a shooter now? It allows instant competition and is something that should surely be encouraged.

[Golden Legacy]

You also have to remember the demographics you're catering for. Most diehard shooter fans who absolutely need to have solid online play would have gone for the 360 instead of Wii.

Besides,

Zeypher, on May 20 2008, 09:15 AM, said:

MoHH2 had more than decent online multiplayer.

[Split Infinity]

GL makes a brilliant point. Online play is a fairly low priority for the Wii as anyone who has fallen victim to the lag will tell you.

[Zeypher]

Split Infinity, on May 20 2008, 04:14 PM, said:

GL makes a brilliant point. Online play is a fairly low priority for the Wii as anyone who has fallen victim to the lag will tell you.

The only game that lags for me is Brawl >.> MKWii and Battalion Wars 2 are fine...

[Laharl]

Golden Legacy, on May 20 2008, 10:26 PM, said:

I'm sorry, did I just see Laharl get burned?

not really, he 'disproved' me with an opinion. an opinion on a game that is the very definition of generic and repetitive.

[Zeypher]

Laharl, on May 20 2008, 04:54 PM, said:

not really, he 'disproved' me with an opinion. an opinion on a game that is the very definition of generic and repetitive.

And that's your opinion.

[Laharl]

you kill nazis/japs with guns in a World War II environment.

sounds like a fact to me

[Someone Else]

I thought it was aliens.

Troll somewhere else, dude.

[Split Infinity]

...

I'm going to kill GL for editing my post.

[Someone Else]

I still can't believe Laharl has automatically calls it generic when the most we've seen or know is from screenshots and video.

[Laharl]

maybe its just because i'm older than most of you, but i dont look foward to many titles anymore, mostly because the industry is going down the crapper. i watched the trailer, it looked like every other shooter in the last five years, what more do you want?

[Split Infinity]

Laharl, on May 21 2008, 06:12 PM, said:

If it doesn't reinvent gaming, it's not worth my time.

[Laharl]

is there even any point me posting my views anymore?

one of you overreacts and Nick deletes my post. yay.

i dont expect all games to "reinvent gaming" but they could atleast take a left at Originality Junction

[Split Infinity]

You don't have views, because you haven't even played the freaking game.

[Laharl]

yeah....i've been posting aircraft carriers in this thread all along, not views or opinions.

there are ample examples of when first hand is not needed to form an opinion, this is one such example

face it, if this were on 360 most of you would share my viewpoint and dont you dare try to deny it

[Aquamarine]

Laharl, on May 22 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

face it, if this were on 360 most of you would share my viewpoint and dont you dare try to deny it

... Actually, that's a freakishly good point.

[Split Infinity]

It's a trailer, guys.

[Zeypher]

You can't call it generic when we don't even know what the story is about. Hell, The Conduit might have as much FPS story as BioShock did.

[Nosferatu]

I'm impartial on it until I try it. End of story. Same with Spore etc.

[Someone Else]

Zeypher, on May 22 2008, 03:17 PM, said:

You can't call it generic when we don't even know what the story is about. Hell, The Conduit might have as much FPS story as BioShock did.

FPS story?

BioShock had an amazing story, if you meant anything else you should die in a fire.

Anyway Laharl, I admitted that if it was on a different console I wouldn't be excited. Even if this game is generic, if it sells well it will likely be followed by more shooters for the Wii, and some of those would probably be fairly unique and wouldn't otherwise have come out if The Conduit hadn't. I think shooters have great unrealized potential on the Wii.

This'll be my last post in this topic until there's something worth discussing. What's the point of this arguement? It's just a trailer after all.

[Toasty]

Laharl, on May 22 2008, 05:23 AM, said:

yeah....i've been posting aircraft carriers in this thread all along, not views or opinions.

there are ample examples of when first hand is not needed to form an opinion, this is one such example

face it, if this were on 360 most of you would share my viewpoint and dont you dare try to deny it

For the most part, probably. But the 360 also has a crapload more shooters than the Wii. That's what makes this bigger news than it would be on the 360. We're finally seeing what could become a pretty good shooter for the Wii.

And Laharl, all I ever see in your posts about videogames is "blah blah blah it's a generic pile of [anal excretions]" That's why people start to disregard your views. It's the same thing almost every time.

This shooter isn't a WWII shooter (which I'll agree has been done one too many times. It all started with CoD too), though I'll admit, it is an alien invader shooter. Which has also been done many times.

Disaster:DoC, however, is in neither of those categories. So I'm looking foreward to the more than this.

[Laharl]

Laharl, on May 21 2008, 12:45 AM, said:

you kill nazis/japs with guns in a World War II environment.

sounds like a fact to me

Wind Dude, on May 21 2008, 03:24 AM, said:

I thought it was aliens.

Toasty, on May 23 2008, 06:30 AM, said:

This shooter isn't a WWII shooter

http://blog.pucp.edu.pe/media/497/20070902-Facepalm1.jpg

i was refering to Medal of Honor >_>;;

Toasty, on May 23 2008, 06:30 AM, said:

And Laharl, all I ever see in your posts about videogames is "blah blah blah it's a generic pile of [anal excretions]" That's why people start to disregard your views. It's the same thing almost every time.

i put up with the crap you post in the politics and religion threads, atleast have the courtesy to do the same here

[Zeypher]

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FPS story?

BioShock had an amazing story, if you meant anything else you should die in a fire.

Most FPSs don't have a good story. BioShock is one of the few that does, and that's why I said a story like BioShock >.>

[Golden Legacy]

Tentative release and online multiplayer confirmed.

http://wii.ign.com/a...0/880900p1.html

[Someone Else]

Sounds like they're really taking the game seriously, hopefully it's not a case of Molyneux syndrome.

[Zeypher]

God damn, this hand model looks amazing!

IGN got some new screenshots, and you should all check them out.
The new ones start here at #1 and go to about #35. They're awesome!

[gsninja]

Laharl, on May 22 2008, 05:23 AM, said:

face it, if this were on 360 most of you would share my viewpoint and dont you dare try to deny it

So no one's allowed to argue against you now because you think you're absolutely right, eh? Wrong. I hate FPS's in general, whether they are on the Wii, 360, or PS3.

Anyways, I'm most likely not going to get this game, for the sole reason that I don't really enjoy shooters.

[Someone Else]

What's your beef with shooters?

[gsninja]

Well, it's nothing specific, it's just that I could never immerse myself much in any kind of shooter for as long as I can remember. The genre just doesn't appeal to me.

[Split Infinity]

My only gripe is that the graphics look too clean, it needs more grunge, like the Half Life games.

[Zeypher]

Split Infinity, on Jun 11 2008, 09:04 PM, said:

My only gripe is that the graphics look too clean, it needs more grunge, like the Half Life games.

Well I think HVS is trying to go with the whole futuristic look that Corruption had going on...but I know what you mean, and the outdoor levels could use that.

[Golden Legacy]

Corruption is amazing, definitely the standard for FPS/Adventure games on the Wii, in my opinion. I'm still wary of saying that The Conduit will surpass it (hands-on impressions needed for that), but it definitely has the potential to.

Needless to say, some of those new screenshots look astounding on the Wii. The bloom lighting, texture mapping, etc. really good stuff. If the GameCube could pull off Resident Evil 4, then it's definitely high time we see developers maximize the Wii's hardware.

[Laharl]

Golden Legacy, on Jun 12 2008, 09:08 PM, said:

Corruption is amazing, definitely the standard for FPS/Adventure games on the Wii, in my opinion.

really not very difficult when you consider the competition is Red Steel and Medal of Honor :/

[Zeypher]

NWF interview High Voltage Software about The Conduit. Check it out, it's a pretty good read. 2 pages long.
Link

[Toasty]

Laharl, on May 22 2008, 05:23 AM, said:

face it, if this were on 360 most of you would share my viewpoint and dont you dare try to deny it

Exactly. Of course I would. But it's not on the 360, it's on the Wii. The Wii has few, if ANY good shooters. If this is good, I don't care if it's an exact copy of some over-rated shooter on the 360 or whatever. I just want the game to be better than the crappy shooters the Wii already has.

[EDIT] I'm slightly unimpressed with the graphics in this game. They're better than a lot of other Wii games, but they're incredibly jagged. Anti-aliasing is practically non-existent.

[Someone Else]

Anti-aliasing can really take a hit to the frame rate.

[Golden Legacy]

Polygon count/Anti-aliasing might simply be limitations of the Wii's hardware that even they can't get around.

According to the interview Zeph posted, High Voltage is going for other graphical features, especially when it comes to texturing, bloom lighting, and shading.

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Can we expect better-than-Xbox levels of detail and shaders in The Conduit?

Matt: Let's just say that the team has pretty much had to ignore the graphics of the other titles that have come out on the Wii so far. The team says that it feels a lot more like they're making a 360/PS3 title than a Wii title. Our Quantum 3 engine tech is amazing, and when players see the final polished results, it's going to look incredible.

Rob: Our Quantum 3 engine has provided us with the means to produce some really amazing graphics despite the limited resources available on the Wii. That and we have some truly amazing artists working for us!

Dan: The Wii has a fixed function graphics processing pipeline, so it isn't really a direct comparison and the vertex / pixel processing on the system is not technically done via "shaders". What HVS has done is find super creative ways of utilizing the fixed functionality of the Wii graphics HW to produce effects that have historically required shaders to create. This includes bump and environment mapping, end to end illumination, projected lights and shadows, interactive water, HDR, bloom, emissive materials and a host of other high end effects. What's awesome to me is being able to offer these kinds of next-gen visual details on a platform that also allows us to make unique FPS gameplay due to the amazing control scheme of the Wii.

EDIT: ... and of course, what WD said, that's an important point too. They mentioned that they're willing to forgo 60fps and weaker graphics with a solid 30fps and improved graphics.

[Someone Else]

I don't know if I've played a Wii game with any anti-aliasing to speak off...

[Zeypher]

@Toasty- The game is still in pre-alpha, so by the time the game is released we won't being seeing the jagged lines.

[Toasty]

I sure hope so.

Wind Dude, on Jun 16 2008, 04:31 PM, said:

I don't know if I've played a Wii game with any anti-aliasing to speak off...

Come to think of it, I can't recall any Nintendo game period that has AA. XD I remember FE:PoR's jagged lines pretty clearly. Made some of the swords look a little wierd.

And GL, that just proves how much ATI sucks. :( j/k (ATI made the GPU for the Wii)

I don't see why Nintendo had to go and make things all difficult. I'd imagine the the Wii's GPU would be harder to code for because of that. I could be wrong though.

[Zeypher]

New stuff for The Conduit!

HVS has released an instruction booklet like thing to NWF, that has information about the story, characters, weapons, aliens, and locations.

Starts here, and goes to image #13! Click the arrows so you keep the big images.

From what I gather of the story, it seems pretty complex, which is awesome:

An alien virus (called "the Bug") is infecting people in Washington D.C. Nobody knows where this virus is coming from. A while later, the Washington Monument is attacked and gets destroyed, and nobody knows who did it. After that, a presidential candidate is assassinated. Nobody knows who did it, so they in list Agent Ford to investigate, where he finds that several members of the secret service have betrayed their own kind (humans) and allowed the Drudge (the aliens) to invade. Mr. Adams gives Agent Ford equipment from a secret group known as the Trust. Agent Ford has to uncover the secrets behind the invasion and stop it.

Another pretty interesting thing is that humans that caught "the Bug" virus eventually turn into a zombie-like state, where they follow orders from the Drudge (giving the Drudge an army of humans, as well as their own kind). Also, several members of the Trust have gone to the side of the Drudge, giving them even more forces!

I also modified the first post with new screens and some updates.

[TheEnglishman]

Zeypher, on Jun 19 2008, 10:29 PM, said:

Another pretty interesting thing is that humans that caught "the Bug" virus eventually turn into a zombie-like state, where they follow orders from the Drudge (giving the Drudge an army of humans, as well as their own kind). Also, several members of the Trust have gone to the side of the Drudge, giving them even more forces!

Does anyone else notice similarities to Resident Evil 4?

[Zeypher]

Me111, on Jun 19 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

Does anyone else notice similarities to Resident Evil 4?

Well they're not zombies like the villagers in RE4, but they're kind of like being mind controlled by the Drudge if that makes any sense.

[Someone Else]

The story doesn't seem that complex to me. Frankly, it sounds kind of generic unless there's a nice plot twist.

[Zeypher]

Please name a FPS that has a story like this one...

[Someone Else]

...so you mean a virus that was developed by aliens to turn humans into "zombies" isn't generic?

It's another "ALIENS INVADE" story. =/

[Zeypher]

Wind Dude, on Jun 19 2008, 08:55 PM, said:

...so you mean a virus that was developed by aliens to turn humans into "zombies" isn't generic?

It's another "ALIENS INVADE" story. =/

Did you read what was on the first image :P

Read it, and read all the others.
http://i28.tinypic.com/v73viv.jpg

It's much more than your basic "aliens invade" story.

[Someone Else]

What's to see?

[Toasty]

Zeypher, on Jun 19 2008, 07:57 PM, said:

Did you read what was on the first image :P

Read it, and read all the others.
http://i28.tinypic.com/v73viv.jpg

It's much more than your basic "aliens invade" story.

It's the basic idea that counts. There's been numerous alien invasion related games in the past. There's also been numerous "virus turns humans into zombies" games aswell. Or at least something related to a virus, or zombies/mind control.

I could care less about the story though. I don't play FPS's for story lines, I play them so I can shoot things without actually breaking the law. :D

If I wanted a storyline, I'd play a JRPG. I just want the gameplay to be good.

[Someone Else]

To be honest I don't think good stories are necessary at all in video games. I mean, I like games with good stories, don't get me wrong. For example, Crisis Core was amazing for it's story, and so is MGS. But we have books for stories, video games are a different kind of media.

[Zeypher]

So you would prefer to just randomly kill things? Or have every game be like Mario?

Games do need stories, like Zelda, FF, etc.

[Someone Else]

Zelda story hahaha. It's about gameplay, man. Remember arcade games that didn't have stories and you fight for a highscore? Maybe you don't like arcade games, but games do NOT need stories, though like I said, they can help.

[Zeypher]

lol are you saying Zelda doesn't have story?
There are games that don't need a story, like Mario and Frogger, and there are games that do need a story. Otherwise, everything would be like Halo, where we don't know wtf is going on.

[Ironsight]

I don't like arcade games. Games with stories make me feel like I'm accomplishing something. More than beating a high score.

[TheEnglishman]

Zeypher, on Jun 20 2008, 12:11 AM, said:

Well they're not zombies like the villagers in RE4, but they're kind of like being mind controlled by the Drudge if that makes any sense.

Well they weren't zombies, they were ordinary people controlled by parasitic organisms.

[Toasty]

Zeypher, on Jun 19 2008, 08:27 PM, said:

lol are you saying Zelda doesn't have story?
There are games that don't need a story, like Mario and Frogger, and there are games that do need a story. Otherwise, everything would be like Halo, where we don't know wtf is going on.

Zelda has a plot, not a story. In video games, a story is something that plays a big part in the game. A plot is just there to give reason for why the character is doing whatever he's doing.

The "story" in most Zelda games doesn't really affect gameplay. You're just going from dungeon to dungeon, getting items and hearts, and beating bosses so that you can get to the final boss and beat Gannon/etc. to save the princess or whatever. Golden Sun has a storyline. The fact that the elemental stars were stolen comes up frequently, there's numerous cutscenes, and the game could easily be converted into a book.

Do you see what I'm getting at?


Anyway, like I said, if I wanted a story I'd play JRPG's (and even then, that's only half of the reason for why I play them, but I also wouldn't play them if they didn't have a story).

[Laharl]

Zeypher, on Jun 20 2008, 03:35 AM, said:

Please name a FPS that has a story like this one...

Resistance: Fall of Man, which in turn is blatant rip off of Gears of War.

dont play many shooters do you?

[Blue]

Laharl, on Jun 20 2008, 01:53 AM, said:

Resistance: Fall of Man, which in turn is blatant rip off of Gears of War.

dont play many shooters do you?

Yeah, theres stuff like this all over the place man. I think you need to get over it. This game isn't 100 percent original.

[Zeypher]

Laharl, on Jun 20 2008, 02:53 AM, said:

Resistance: Fall of Man, which in turn is blatant rip off of Gears of War.

dont play many shooters do you?

Touche >.>

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Zelda has a plot, not a story. In video games, a story is something that plays a big part in the game. A plot is just there to give reason for why the character is doing whatever he's doing.

The "story" in most Zelda games doesn't really affect gameplay. You're just going from dungeon to dungeon, getting items and hearts, and beating bosses so that you can get to the final boss and beat Gannon/etc. to save the princess or whatever.

Don't play much Zelda, do you?
Zelda has one of the most in depth stories, that's why there's timeline theories that are much debated on.
And lol, not all the main part of all the games is to save Zelda.
And another thing. If you say Zelda has no story, please read all of this, and some other of their articles <.<

Oh and Toasty...you've been GANNON-BANNED. It's Ganon, not Gannon -.- And read #16.

[Toasty]

I've played enough Zelda to a get a grasp on how the "story" is involved.

I've played Oracle of Ages, Wind Waker, some of Twilight Princess, and LttP. Albeit I haven't finished any of them, I haven't finished many oter games to begin with. I have, however, played enough of each to get a grasp on the story. Which isn't really involved in the game.

If it had a story, there would be little to no debate on the timeline of the games as it'd be clear as to which came before the other. Also, not how I said "to save the princess or whatever". And I could care less how to spell a character's name.

When you compare LoZ to most JRPG's, LoZ doesn't have a real story.


And good job on copying Laharl there. :P

[Legolastom]

Facepalm, the timeline doesnt exist because of an extremely in depth plot that spans many games, it exists because the developers to not make the links between the games clear, while some are clear (7 sages, deku tree, split timeline) most of the games can only be related to each other by speculation.

The Zelda games does not have a great plot the timeline exists because of the developers being to lazy to focus on creating and actual plot and just re-using old elements and slightly tweaking them. Trust me I have been playing Zelda games a lot longer than you.

[Zeypher]

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I've played enough Zelda to a get a grasp on how the "story" is involved.

I've played Oracle of Ages, Wind Waker, some of Twilight Princess, and LttP. Albeit I haven't finished any of them, I haven't finished many oter games to begin with.

Really? You've played enough of ALttP to grasp the story? Then please, tell me the origins of the Triforce, Dark World, and tell me about the Great Cataclysm :P
TWW really doesn't get too indepth until the end of the game, Twilight Princess was a disappointment story-wise, imo, and OoA virtually had no story.

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Which isn't really involved in the game.

Click this link, join, and post a thread saying Zelda's story doesn't involve the game :D
If Zelda didn't involve story in the game, then in OoT we wouldn't be told of how the 3 goddesses left the Triforce in Hyrule, or how they crafted the realm. We also wouldn't have been told about the Great Cataclysm, the Book of Mudora, the Flooding of Hyrule, and the Trident of Power in other Zelda games.

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If it had a story, there would be little to no debate on the timeline of the games as it'd be clear as to which came before the other.

Actually, that's not true. It's because Zelda has such a complex story, that the timeline is always being debated upon, because there are missing gaps in the overall storyline of all the games, and each are filled in (for the most part) when the next game comes out.

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When you compare LoZ to most JRPG's, LoZ doesn't have a real story.

You're trying to compare two different genres. RPGs depend on story, otherwise they're generally not good. By your logic, I could say RPGs have no real gameplay compared to Zelda.

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The Zelda games does not have a great plot the timeline exists because of the developers being to lazy to focus on creating and actual plot and just re-using old elements and slightly tweaking them. Trust me I have been playing Zelda games a lot longer than you.

Talking to me? I've beaten all the Zelda games and I run a Zelda website.

[Toasty]

Zeypher, on Jun 20 2008, 05:32 PM, said:

Really? You've played enough of ALttP to grasp the story? Then please, tell me the origins of the Triforce, Dark World, and tell me about the Great Cataclysm :P
TWW really doesn't get too indepth until the end of the game, Twilight Princess was a disappointment story-wise, imo, and OoA virtually had no story.


Click this link, join, and post a thread saying Zelda's story doesn't involve the game :D
If Zelda didn't involve story in the game, then in OoT we wouldn't be told of how the 3 goddesses left the Triforce in Hyrule, or how they crafted the realm. We also wouldn't have been told about the Great Cataclysm, the Book of Mudora, the Flooding of Hyrule, and the Trident of Power in other Zelda games.


Actually, that's not true. It's because Zelda has such a complex story, that the timeline is always being debated upon, because there are missing gaps in the overall storyline of all the games, and each are filled in (for the most part) when the next game comes out.


You're trying to compare two different genres. RPGs depend on story, otherwise they're generally not good. By your logic, I could say RPGs have no real gameplay compared to Zelda.


Talking to me? I've beaten all the Zelda games and I run a Zelda website.

The last time I played ALttP was quite some time ago. If my memory serves me right, though, and fairly sure t does, Some wizard guy (or demon, and if it was a demon, the wizard was trying to set the demon free) was sealed away by some sages by the triforce in another dimension (dark world), and some guy's trying to break the seal on him by sacrificing the sages' decendants (Zelda is one of them). You have to travel between dark world and the real world (or the past and present, can't remember which) and stop the bad guy from getting loose.

I could be wrong on more than one account there though, since I last played this over two years ago.

I'm not about to take a group of fanboy's opinions at heart about whether there's a story or not. That's like asking eugine what makes the PS3 so great (no offence eugine, but it's true).

Either the story is so complex, or it' a plot and not a story.

Exactly what makes LoZ's "Story" a plot. Story is something that's interweved into the game, and the game depends on it. The plot can suck and the game can still be great, but the only difference between it and a book, is that you're a part of it.

In most LoZ games, it gives you an outline at the beginning, and then every now and then you'll meet an NPC that adds onto it. for the most part though, you're on your own. The plot doesn't really develop or change much at all. You're told what's happening in the beginning, and it pretty much stays that way till the end.

In most JRPG's, something happens in the beginning, and you set out on an adventure to stop evil. The difference between LoZ and JRPG's is that the plot continues to develop throughout the game.things change, there's twists, and it can be unpredictable at times. For the most part, I find LoZ fairly predictable.

When you look at GS and GS:TLA, if you played them in order you might have thought that the game would end with you recovering the stars and stopping the beacons from being lit. By th time you finished TLA, the outcome you might've predicted was completely opposite. Most LoZ games go like this: A great evil is awakened, and Link must go through dungeons while aquiring items and whatnot so that he can get to the games final boss and defeat him. If any LoZ games had a plot twist, they were few and far between.

Again, if the game can be directly turned into a book (no extra scenes/sidestories/etc.) that would keep most people interested, it's a story. If not, then it's a plot.

A story is basically a plot that evolves, which is why they seem so similar. But LoZ's plot doesn't evolve for the most part, and so it stays a plot.

Do you understand my stance now?


[EDIT] This is getting really off-topic. <.<

[Zeypher]

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The last time I played ALttP was quite some time ago. If my memory serves me right, though, and fairly sure t does, Some wizard guy (or demon, and if it was a demon, the wizard was trying to set the demon free) was sealed away by some sages by the triforce in another dimension (dark world), and some guy's trying to break the seal on him by sacrificing the sages' decendants (Zelda is one of them). You have to travel between dark world and the real world (or the past and present, can't remember which) and stop the bad guy from getting loose.

The objective of the game is at first to gather the three Pendants, get the Master Sword, and beat Aghnaim. It transforms more into rescuing the decendants of the 7 sages and beating Ganon/dorf.

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I'm not about to take a group of fanboy's opinions at heart about whether there's a story or not. That's like asking eugine what makes the PS3 so great (no offence eugine, but it's true).

lol fanboys. Fanboys are little queers that can't give reasoning behind their beleifs. There are a lot of Zelda theorists at ZD (except for the annoying *** noobs).

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Exactly what makes LoZ's "Story" a plot. Story is something that's interweved into the game, and the game depends on it. The plot can suck and the game can still be great, but the only difference between it and a book, is that you're a part of it.

...XD
You're confusing story and plot, dude. Plot is the objective of the game. Story is the reasons why things are happening.
If Zelda's story wasn't "interweved" into the game, then we wouldn't have been told about many story aspects of Zelda, such as The Flooding of Hyrule, The Great Cataclysm, Creation of Hyrule, etc etc etc.

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In most LoZ games, it gives you an outline at the beginning, and then every now and then you'll meet an NPC that adds onto it. for the most part though, you're on your own. The plot doesn't really develop or change much at all. You're told what's happening in the beginning, and it pretty much stays that way till the end.

How many Zelda games have you beaten? Oh, that's right....none....
The general story is told at the beggining of the game, you know, like in TWW (explaining the events of OoT, which happened 100 years prior to TWW), and ALttP (where it tells the story of the 7 Sages).
And about your idiotic comment about telling the story...lol...It's called telling a story XD Ever read a book? The story is told as it progresses. Like in Eragon, where about the end you learn that Murtagh is Morzan's son.

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In most JRPG's, something happens in the beginning, and you set out on an adventure to stop evil. The difference between LoZ and JRPG's is that the plot continues to develop throughout the game.things change, there's twists, and it can be unpredictable at times. For the most part, I find LoZ fairly predictable.

Ever play OoT? Oh...no...you haven't...
At about the middle of OoT the game changes drastically. Same thing with ALttP, TWW, anda few others.
And LOL. You can predict games! so can I! Good guy beats bad guy!!! No ****. You can do that for every game.

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When you look at GS and GS:TLA, if you played them in order you might have thought that the game would end with you recovering the stars and stopping the beacons from being lit. By th time you finished TLA, the outcome you might've predicted was completely opposite. Most LoZ games go like this: A great evil is awakened, and Link must go through dungeons while aquiring items and whatnot so that he can get to the games final boss and defeat him. If any LoZ games had a plot twist, they were few and far between.

Uh...ok...Why does Zelda need plot twists? That would **** up the overall storyline than it already is.

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Again, if the game can be directly turned into a book (no extra scenes/sidestories/etc.) that would keep most people interested, it's a story. If not, then it's a plot.

So you're saying Zelda can't be translated into a book...XD
There's a ton of Zelda fanfics, not to mention the official Zelda Manga which was released a while ago.

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A story is basically a plot that evolves, which is why they seem so similar. But LoZ's plot doesn't evolve for the most part, and so it stays a plot.

*facepalm*
Plot = Objective of game
Story = Reasoning as to why the **** is happening
Once again, if you've actually beaten a Zelda game, or played more than 4 of the 13, then you would probably know, and you wouldn't be such a noob.
Example: In OoT, when you open up the Door of Time and grab the Master Sword, Ganon/dorf is able to nab the Triforce of Power while Rauru put Link to sleep for 7 years, and when Link wakes up 7 years later he has to collect the 7 Medallions to get into Ganon's Castle.
By your ignorant logic, that's not an evolving plot.

I see that you know nothing whatsoever about The Legend of Zelda, and you should just shut up. You're also confusing plot with story.

Hey, once you actually BEAT a Zelda game, reply again.

[Toasty]

Zeypher, on Jun 20 2008, 07:26 PM, said:

The objective of the game is at first to gather the three Pendants, get the Master Sword, and beat Aghnaim. It transforms more into rescuing the decendants of the 7 sages and beating Ganon/dorf.


lol fanboys. Fanboys are little queers that can't give reasoning behind their beleifs. There are a lot of Zelda theorists at ZD (except for the annoying *** noobs).

They sound like fanboys to me.

...XD
You're confusing story and plot, dude. Plot is the objective of the game. Story is the reasons why things are happening.

Go find a dictionary. The game itself is a story (if it has one). The plot is an outline of what happens in the game, or the reasons for why things happen. At least, that's what the dictionary describes it as (relatively speaking). However, I'm not using their literal meanings.

If Zelda's story wasn't "interweved" into the game, then we wouldn't have been told about many story aspects of Zelda, such as The Flooding of Hyrule, The Great Cataclysm, Creation of Hyrule, etc etc etc.

All of which happened BEFORE the "current events".

How many Zelda games have you beaten? Oh, that's right....none....
The general story is told at the beggining of the game, you know, like in TWW (explaining the events of OoT, which happened 100 years prior to TWW), and ALttP (where it tells the story of the 7 Sages).
And about your idiotic comment about telling the story...lol...It's called telling a story XD Ever read a book? The story is told as it progresses. Like in Eragon, where about the end you learn that Murtagh is Morzan's son.

You don't have to beat ANY game to understand it. That is a fact.

Ever play OoT? Oh...no...you haven't...
At about the middle of OoT the game changes drastically. Same thing with ALttP, TWW, anda few others.
And LOL. You can predict games! so can I! Good guy beats bad guy!!! No ****. You can do that for every game.

When I mean "predict" I don't mean "good guy beats bad guy". Obviously you can't predict every element of the game unless you've played it, but there's a general formula that's typical to all LoZ games. "Go to dungeon, beat boss, get item" rinse and repeat.

The same could be said for RPG's as well, but the difference between the two is that the story in an RPG actually develops because of it.

Uh...ok...Why does Zelda need plot twists? That would **** up the overall storyline than it already is.

It would if there was a storyline.

So you're saying Zelda can't be translated into a book...XD
There's a ton of Zelda fanfics, not to mention the official Zelda Manga which was released a while ago.

Fanfics add stuff in, or aren't even related to any one of the games besides the name, numbnuts. I meant a direct conversion. Note how I said "Not adding extra stuff in." Actually reading what I have to say would help you here.

*facepalm*
Plot = Objective of game
Story = Reasoning as to why the **** is happening
Once again, if you've actually beaten a Zelda game, or played more than 4 of the 13, then you would probably know, and you wouldn't be such a noob.
Example: In OoT, when you open up the Door of Time and grab the Master Sword, Ganon/dorf is able to nab the Triforce of Power while Rauru put Link to sleep for 7 years, and when Link wakes up 7 years later he has to collect the 7 Medallions to get into Ganon's Castle.
By your ignorant logic, that's not an evolving plot.

The LoZ games don't develop very often as you're going through the game. All that happens is you learn more about what happened in the past. Nothing really changes or develops as you're playing the game until the very end, and even then it's not much.

what I mean by story and plot is this:

Story: Has a plot,a nd builds upon that plot. Plot changes and develops throughout the game, and by the end is usually far different than it was in the beginning.

Plot: The basic idea of what happens in the game. Once it develops, it becomes a story.

The plots of LoZ games don't develop much, so the plot pretty much stays the same. Hence why they have plots and not stories (in most cases).

I see that you know nothing whatsoever about The Legend of Zelda, and you should just shut up. You're also confusing plot with story.

Don't be an arrogant fanboy. I don't have to be obsessed with something to know something about it. And you fail to see how I'm defining plot and story. I'm not using their textbook definitions because I need something to distinguish between Zelda games and games that actually have a story.

Hey, once you actually BEAT a Zelda game, reply again.

I'll say it again, Zelda's "story" doesn't really develop. Therefore it stays as a plot, and nothing more. And I like how you basically called me a noob for not being a fan of the game. I've read up on many of the others aswell, so I've got a good enough outline to be talking about them in this context.

I'm not going to reply to you again, because it's obvious that you're not listening anyway. My next post in this topic will actually be about this topic.

[Blue]

Ok, enough, the both of you shut up about Zelda.

[Toasty]

So blue, when are the pre-orders starting? :P

[Blue]

Toasty, on Jun 20 2008, 08:17 PM, said:

So blue, when are the pre-orders starting? :P

Not sure. I'll take a look when I go in tomorrow to look at my shift.

[Zeypher]

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They sound like fanboys to me.

And you're an ignorant dip****.

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Go find a dictionary. The game itself is a story (if it has one). The plot is an outline of what happens in the game, or the reasons for why things happen. At least, that's what the dictionary describes it as (relatively speaking). However, I'm not using their literal meanings.

Plot:
2. Also called storyline. The plan, scheme, or main story of a literary or dramatic work, as a play, novel, or short story.
http://dictionary.re...com/browse/plot
Plot = Story, Plot also = The objective of a game

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All of which happened BEFORE the "current events".

And are told within the game, and have the effects in the game (such as The Great Flood), meaning it's "interweved" as you call it.

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You don't have to beat ANY game to understand it. That is a fact.

What? Fact =/= opinion

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When I mean "predict" I don't mean "good guy beats bad guy". Obviously you can't predict every element of the game unless you've played it, but there's a general formula that's typical to all LoZ games. "Go to dungeon, beat boss, get item" rinse and repeat.

The same could be said for RPG's as well, but the difference between the two is that the story in an RPG actually develops because of it.

Congrats, you've identified two totally different genres: Adventure, and RPG. Each genre is like itself, all you do is shooters is shoot, all you do in adventure games is adventure, and all you do in RPGs is...RPG...

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It would if there was a storyline.

So everything that doesn't have a twist doesn't have a storyline? What the **** are you on dude?

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Fanfics add stuff in, or aren't even related to any one of the games besides the name, numbnuts. I meant a direct conversion. Note how I said "Not adding extra stuff in." Actually reading what I have to say would help you here.

No...you said if you can write a book about it. Now I see why people say you add irrelevant things to debates, lmao.

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The LoZ games don't develop very often as you're going through the game. All that happens is you learn more about what happened in the past. Nothing really changes or develops as you're playing the game until the very end, and even then it's not much.

what I mean by story and plot is this:

Story: Has a plot,a nd builds upon that plot. Plot changes and develops throughout the game, and by the end is usually far different than it was in the beginning.

Plot: The basic idea of what happens in the game. Once it develops, it becomes a story.

The plots of LoZ games don't develop much, so the plot pretty much stays the same. Hence why they have plots and not stories (in most cases).

You've only played 4 Zelda games Toasty, and you didn't even beat them, so don't say they don't develop as you progress through the game. I gave you a **** load of examples.
And now you're changing it to "in most cases". Stick to your original argument, if you want to sound more believable.

*QUOTE*Don't be an arrogant fanboy. I don't have to be obsessed with something to know something about it. And you fail to see how I'm defining plot and story. I'm not using their textbook definitions because I need something to distinguish between Zelda games and games that actually have a story.*/QUOTE*
I love how everybody on this forum overuses "fanboy". You don't have to be obsessed with something to know something about it, you have to know stuff about to know stuff about it, and you clearly know nothing about Zelda. You don't see me making idiot comments like that about games I know nothing about, like MGS and GoW. And uh, you're really confusing the two meanings, bud. You've changed your argument so much to work around my posts.

@last comment- So, when things like Ganon/dorf getting the ToP in OoT, and The King of Hyrule wishing Hyrule away in TWW happen, they're not story, it's plot? Ok...if you say so xd

I've lost all respect for you Toasty, and you were one of the few members here I actually liked.

[Someone Else]

excuse me wtf r u guys doing

I'll still buy the Conduit if gameplay videos impress me enough/high enough reviews over all.

[Zeypher]

@Toasty- Considering The Conduit doesn't have a definate release date, you probably won't be able to pre-order it >.>

Hmm...I don't know if HVS has a E3 booth, so we might not see another gameplay video for a while.

[Blue]

God damnit Zeypher. Enough already, no one wants to here you or toasty *****ing about zelda **** anymore. And when we tried to put it back on topic, you had to post that. ****ing A man.

[Zeypher]

Why'd you go and post that?
Our convo ended...unless you missed the last 2 posts....

[Blue]

:P
Its the fact that you went out of your way to "get the last word"

[Zeypher]

You guys probably posted while I was still posting :P

[Blue]

And plus you called him a dip****, which is, I dunno, teh flammings?

[Toasty]

ANYWAY.

I'm with WD on this one. Gameplay videos first. Hopefully the videos will have a fully completed graphics engine. I want to see whether or not this thing wil actually have anti-aliasing.

[Laharl]

Zeypher, on Jun 20 2008, 07:11 PM, said:

Zelda has one of the most in depth stories, that's why there's timeline theories that are much debated on.

that's more fanboy fapping than intentional complex plot structure.

Zeypher, on Jun 20 2008, 07:11 PM, said:

And lol, not all the main part of all the games is to save Zelda.

Legend of Zelda: Save Zelda
Adventure of Link: Save Zelda
Link to the Past: Save Zelda
Link's Awakening: Something about a fish
Ocarina of Time: Save Zelda
Majora's Mask: Save the world
Oracle of Ages/Seasons: (ultimately) Save Zelda
Wind Waker: Save Zelda
Minish Cap: Something about a hat
Twilight Princess: Save Zelda
Phantom Hourglass: Save Zelda

its over three quarters of the series that has saving Zelda as a core plot point

EDIT: dammit there were more pages D:

[Blue]

Laharl, on Jun 21 2008, 02:49 AM, said:

that's more fanboy fapping than intentional complex plot structure.Legend of Zelda: Save ZeldaAdventure of Link: Save ZeldaLink to the Past: Save ZeldaLink's Awakening: Something about a fishOcarina of Time: Save ZeldaMajora's Mask: Save the worldOracle of Ages/Seasons: (ultimately) Save ZeldaWind Waker: Save ZeldaMinish Cap: Something about a hatTwilight Princess: Save ZeldaPhantom Hourglass: Save Zeldaits over three quarters of the series that has saving Zelda as a core plot pointEDIT: dammit there were more pages D:

Quoted for truth.

[Zeypher]

Sorry for coming abck to the forum, but I just wanted to give you guys an update to The Conduit.

IGN did an interview with HVS asking them about the game and E3-
http://wii.ign.com/a...7/887708p1.html

Also, there's a new gameplay trailer-
http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14248157/th...aptorignne.html

Looks like they polished up the graphics, looks pretty good!

I like this comment about Online:
"Our current multiplayer benchmarks are 16 players and we will definitely have the standard modes like Deathmatch and Capture the Flag. We are still exploring the possibilities and depending on how things go, we will have more. But we want to make certain that our online experience is solid and if that means sacrificing some other modes or features to do that, we will. We are choosing quality over quantity."

[Caael]

Nah, you should stay man. Dont listen to other people. That way, you annoy them just by being here.

[Golden Legacy]

What Caael said. Seriously, you're a fantastic member, one of the best here.

The Conduit looks amazing! To think that during the interview they said they were still polishing it up too... and they still don't have a publisher either! I'm really excited for this, I can't wait to see how the E3 preview build plays.

[TheEnglishman]

It does look fun and the graphics aren't bad.

[Caael]

This is getting better as it goes along. Shaping up really nicely now, and it's come a long way since I first saw it.

[Laharl]

although there is a massive improvement, it still looks like any 360/PS3 FPS, one called Halo in particular :/

[Split Infinity]

For a Wii game, that looks incredible. There's a lot of potential here.

[Toasty]

I take back what I said about the graphics before. At first, they looked kind of arcadeish to me, but they really didn't do it justice. The video gives a much better representation. It probably has some of the best graphics the Wii's produced so far.

But anti-aliasing is still minimal. D: Gameplay looks good though. And Laharl, I've played my fair share of Halo, and this isn't much like it. Aside from it being an FPS where you shoot aliens.

Actually, it seems like a cross between G.R.A.W. and Halo if you have to say it's generic.

[Split Infinity]

You just watched a flashy new trailer and all you care about are a few jagged edges. :P

[Someone Else]

Wow, looks amazing. And Laharl, I think you're being a bit picky. Remember, the Wii has had next to no really great shooters for it. I've said it before, I'll say it again: if this makes it big, there's gonna be more shooters on the Wii, even if this one does turn out to be more of the same/generic side. Some of those will have to be unique and stand out from the rest of the crap.

[Zeypher]

I'm glad to see you guys are finally liking this game...
Whatever they show at E3, I'll be sure to post it ^.~

[Toasty]

I'm not going to buy this if it has jagged edges

Hopefully E3 will bring us silky smooth graphics. :P

[Zeypher]

Tbth, I didn't see any jaggies in the trailer.

[Split Infinity]

Toasty, on Jul 13 2008, 07:06 PM, said:

I'm not going to buy this if it has jagged edges

Hopefully E3 will bring us silky smooth graphics. :P

Well, if you really care about graphics then...

http://z.about.com/d/playstation/1/7/x/6/SCEE_PS3_side-on___tif_jpgcopy.jpg

[Toasty]

Then I'm afraid you're blind. Look closely at the edges of the car he uses for cover.

[Zeypher]

I don't sit an inch from the TV when I play games >.>

[Toasty]

Neither do I, but the jagged edges are still clearly visible. :P

I take it you saw the jagged lines?

[Zeypher]

I only see them in screenshots.

[Split Infinity]

Take a screenshot of the video, I can't view the HiRes one.

[Zeypher]

Split Infinity, on Jul 13 2008, 04:38 AM, said:

Take a screenshot of the video, I can't view the HiRes one.

Download the player :P

[Split Infinity]

...what player?

[Zeypher]

The IGN player....>.>

[Split Infinity]

The player works fine, I just can't watch the HiRes version.

[Caael]

Jesus christ Toasty, a while back you were bashing on me for saying graphics are important.

The only problem I see with it is the motion sensitivity. While the Wiimote was practically made for games like this, I could never get used to the controls in prime, so if a GC controller is available then I would much favour that, but if you're forced to use the Wiimote then I wont buy.

[Golden Legacy]

From what I've read Caael, it looks like you can customize the Wii controls to your liking. Everything from the sensitivity to the dead areas, to even how you map out the button scheme.

[Zeypher]

E3 build up. The game is set on easy mode, so don't piss your pants about it being too easy.
http://www.gametrail...ayer/36424.html

GoNintendo impression:

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The Conduit was the very first game I demoed at E3, and it remained the highlight right to the end of the day. I can’t tell you which I liked more…the actual game, or the passion from the guys at High Voltage. I can’t stress enough that these guys are true Wii fans and gamers…just like you and I. They don’t get why third parties don’t deliver AAA content to the Wii. They know that platform can do so much more than what is currently available. They love the casual/expanded audience, but they want core reasons to play the Wii too. There is no doubt that these guys know what they are doing, and want to bring you the best FPS experience on the Wii. After getting eyes/hands-on with the game today, High Voltage is more than delivering on the promises they’ve made.

Let’s talk graphics, shall we? There is no competition when it comes to visual presentation in The Conduit. Right now, I would say that Galaxy is the benchmark for great Wii graphics. The Conduit is a very different type of game, and the style means that the visuals are much different. Having said that, this title has to be the best looking game I’ve seen on the platform…period. The screenshots look great, the trailers are fantastic, but actually seeing it with your own two eyes makes things even better. I was no longer looking at things through rose-tinted glasses. I was looking at the game, right in-front of me…a first person account. The Conduit really makes you realize just how absolutely lazy developers are with their Wii games. I was annoyed with third parties before, but The Conduit looks so good that it’ll make you sick over third party support thus far.

One element that bleeds into the game from graphics to gameplay and everything else is detail. High Voltage is treating everything with extreme care, and it shows. No matter how minor the detail, they are pouring a ton of work into it. That’s because they understand that little things can make for a big impact. Take this little bit, for instance. The sight on your sniper scope reflects the game world around you, in real-time. Walk up to a car, and you’ll see the car. Face your back to a building, and check it out in the scope reflection. You can even point the gun at the ground, and in the scope reflection, you’ll see the cloud patterns moving…once again, in real-time. This is the passion that is going into every facet of the game.

One of the highlights of my playtime was checking out the various weapons. I watched a playthrough first, and then jumped in for my own try. The weapons that were in the playtest ranged from typical FPS fodder to some ridiculous alien tech…and I mean that in a good way. There is one gun that shoots a homing shot that’s guided by your pointer. It’s almost too much fun to shoot a shot down the street, and then have it curve in and hit an enemy out of nowhere. While that gun is great, my favorite was yet another alien weapon. This one had an attack that I haven’t seen in any other game. It shoots some sort of ammo that literally wraps around whatever it hits, and continues on that path. The team demoed the weapon by shooting it at a lamp post, and the shot wrapped around the post and spun in circles. Neat, but why would you want that? Well, say you have an enemy that is around a corner. You could aim at that corner, shoot, and have the shot attach and whip around the corner to take out the enemy. Tell me that that isn’t awesome.

As far as game controls go, things are still being worked on…but it doesn’t even matter. While the team is still nailing down some preset control schemes, the player will be able to map anything they want to any button. You want the joypad to bash, that’s just fine. You want to fire with the 2 button, go for it. Fully customizable controls, and you make the scheme that works for you. On top of that, you also get to mess with the controller sensitivity and bounding box until your heart’s content. Make the bounding box as big as your TV screen, or as tiny as your crosshair. For those that loved the controls in Metroid Prime 3 or Medal of Honor: Heroes II, The Conduit takes the best parts from both and one-ups them. It’s exactly the type of thing we wanted to see.

I played with one of the preset schemes, and I had no trouble at all jumping right in. Jumping, turning, bashing, shooting…all second nature as soon as I picked up the controllers. Everything was extremely responsive, and felt more than comfortable. There’s even a lock-on that you can activate if you are looking for more of a Metroid Prime-like experience. Of course, it’s up to you if you want to use that. One of the cool benefits you get from locking on is the ability to see how far away the enemy is, as well as his health. A little display pops up to let you know just what the distance is between you and the enemy, and a bar represents the health.

Of course, the game is far from being optimized, but The Conduit already puts so many retail Wii games to shame. There are titles that have already shipped that don’t run a fraction as well as The Conduit does. There was one instance where the game dipped just a hair below 30 FPS, and the team automatically apologized. They didn’t try to hide it, they went back and showed the frame dip again. Of course, they said that they aren’t done getting the game to that 30FPS level, but the final game will without a doubt ship at 30 FPS all the way through. They even said that if they can get a higher framerate out of it, then that’s what they will do. Once again, this little bit of my playtest showed me just how dedicated the team is.

We got into a little talk about multiplayer as well. The High Voltage gang already has 16 player multiplayer up-and running. Right now, they are dedicating a ton of their time to making the multiplayer what it needs to be. Creating modes, levels, and all that good stuff. The same amount of detail is going into the multiplayer as is the single player. We can expect every single gun from the single-player campaign, so get ready to blast the hell out of your opponents from around corners. High Voltage knows what they’ve promised for multiplayer, and they also know what we expect. They have zero plans to let us down.

With The Conduit, High Voltage is proving that the Wii can do some amazing things. You wouldn’t think it from the third party landscape out there. Really, High Voltage is the dream team we were hoping for. A truly dedicated group of programmers that know what the core is crying out for. They are Wii fans, and they know the Wii can play home to some truly amazing titles. Their hard work is something that is rare with third parties…which is a huge shame. Every developer should take such pride in their products. High Voltage is working their ass off to deliver the experience they know that we want…and they want it too.

I’ll end with a little bit of conversation that came up in our elevator ride down to the hotel lobby. We got into talking about publishers, and while High Voltage wouldn’t give me a name, they had a truly horrible story to tell. One publisher they approached outright told them that they didn’t understand why High Voltage was making the game. They thought the project was great, but had no idea who they were trying to sell to. After saying that, the publishers said that they wanted to turn the game into a $20 project, and crap it out for a holiday release. Yes, the publisher really said “crap it out”. Seriously, how disheartening is that?

Whether you like FPS titles or not, you should pay attention to High Voltage. The Conduit is set to upstage almost all third parties on Wii. When the game hits, and if the sales are there, it will start the countdown clock for third party garbage. High Voltage is a team for you, the core gamer. They want to bring you that kick-ass experience that you’ve been waiting for. Take interest in the game or not…just appreciate and acknowlege what High Voltage is trying to do. They aren’t just making an FPS game, they are trying to change the state of Wii support for the core gamer.

[Toasty]

Caael, on Jul 13 2008, 05:15 AM, said:

Jesus christ Toasty, a while back you were bashing on me for saying graphics are important.

The only problem I see with it is the motion sensitivity. While the Wiimote was practically made for games like this, I could never get used to the controls in prime, so if a GC controller is available then I would much favour that, but if you're forced to use the Wiimote then I wont buy.

I'm just being a pain in the ass. :P

The graphics look amazing for being on the Wii. It's nice to see the hardware really being put to use. But if it's going to have graphics like that, why not use anti-aliasing? It doesn't make much sense to me. The Wii outputs 480p, which is like using a 640x480 monitor, so it can't be that stressful for specialized hardware to use anti-aliasing.

That's all I'm saying.

[Legolastom]

While I dont really care about the game its good to see developers actually doing good for once. That story at the end is most likely what the majority of compananies publishing for the Wii think.

If it supports voice chat (While it likely will) I will most probably buy this game.

[Zeypher]

E3 build up. The game is set on easy mode, so don't piss your pants about it being too easy.
Developercam Walkthrough 1
Developercam Walkthrough 2

GoNintendo impression:

Quote

The Conduit was the very first game I demoed at E3, and it remained the highlight right to the end of the day. I can’t tell you which I liked more…the actual game, or the passion from the guys at High Voltage. I can’t stress enough that these guys are true Wii fans and gamers…just like you and I. They don’t get why third parties don’t deliver AAA content to the Wii. They know that platform can do so much more than what is currently available. They love the casual/expanded audience, but they want core reasons to play the Wii too. There is no doubt that these guys know what they are doing, and want to bring you the best FPS experience on the Wii. After getting eyes/hands-on with the game today, High Voltage is more than delivering on the promises they’ve made.

Let’s talk graphics, shall we? There is no competition when it comes to visual presentation in The Conduit. Right now, I would say that Galaxy is the benchmark for great Wii graphics. The Conduit is a very different type of game, and the style means that the visuals are much different. Having said that, this title has to be the best looking game I’ve seen on the platform…period. The screenshots look great, the trailers are fantastic, but actually seeing it with your own two eyes makes things even better. I was no longer looking at things through rose-tinted glasses. I was looking at the game, right in-front of me…a first person account. The Conduit really makes you realize just how absolutely lazy developers are with their Wii games. I was annoyed with third parties before, but The Conduit looks so good that it’ll make you sick over third party support thus far.

One element that bleeds into the game from graphics to gameplay and everything else is detail. High Voltage is treating everything with extreme care, and it shows. No matter how minor the detail, they are pouring a ton of work into it. That’s because they understand that little things can make for a big impact. Take this little bit, for instance. The sight on your sniper scope reflects the game world around you, in real-time. Walk up to a car, and you’ll see the car. Face your back to a building, and check it out in the scope reflection. You can even point the gun at the ground, and in the scope reflection, you’ll see the cloud patterns moving…once again, in real-time. This is the passion that is going into every facet of the game.

One of the highlights of my playtime was checking out the various weapons. I watched a playthrough first, and then jumped in for my own try. The weapons that were in the playtest ranged from typical FPS fodder to some ridiculous alien tech…and I mean that in a good way. There is one gun that shoots a homing shot that’s guided by your pointer. It’s almost too much fun to shoot a shot down the street, and then have it curve in and hit an enemy out of nowhere. While that gun is great, my favorite was yet another alien weapon. This one had an attack that I haven’t seen in any other game. It shoots some sort of ammo that literally wraps around whatever it hits, and continues on that path. The team demoed the weapon by shooting it at a lamp post, and the shot wrapped around the post and spun in circles. Neat, but why would you want that? Well, say you have an enemy that is around a corner. You could aim at that corner, shoot, and have the shot attach and whip around the corner to take out the enemy. Tell me that that isn’t awesome.

As far as game controls go, things are still being worked on…but it doesn’t even matter. While the team is still nailing down some preset control schemes, the player will be able to map anything they want to any button. You want the joypad to bash, that’s just fine. You want to fire with the 2 button, go for it. Fully customizable controls, and you make the scheme that works for you. On top of that, you also get to mess with the controller sensitivity and bounding box until your heart’s content. Make the bounding box as big as your TV screen, or as tiny as your crosshair. For those that loved the controls in Metroid Prime 3 or Medal of Honor: Heroes II, The Conduit takes the best parts from both and one-ups them. It’s exactly the type of thing we wanted to see.

I played with one of the preset schemes, and I had no trouble at all jumping right in. Jumping, turning, bashing, shooting…all second nature as soon as I picked up the controllers. Everything was extremely responsive, and felt more than comfortable. There’s even a lock-on that you can activate if you are looking for more of a Metroid Prime-like experience. Of course, it’s up to you if you want to use that. One of the cool benefits you get from locking on is the ability to see how far away the enemy is, as well as his health. A little display pops up to let you know just what the distance is between you and the enemy, and a bar represents the health.

Of course, the game is far from being optimized, but The Conduit already puts so many retail Wii games to shame. There are titles that have already shipped that don’t run a fraction as well as The Conduit does. There was one instance where the game dipped just a hair below 30 FPS, and the team automatically apologized. They didn’t try to hide it, they went back and showed the frame dip again. Of course, they said that they aren’t done getting the game to that 30FPS level, but the final game will without a doubt ship at 30 FPS all the way through. They even said that if they can get a higher framerate out of it, then that’s what they will do. Once again, this little bit of my playtest showed me just how dedicated the team is.

We got into a little talk about multiplayer as well. The High Voltage gang already has 16 player multiplayer up-and running. Right now, they are dedicating a ton of their time to making the multiplayer what it needs to be. Creating modes, levels, and all that good stuff. The same amount of detail is going into the multiplayer as is the single player. We can expect every single gun from the single-player campaign, so get ready to blast the hell out of your opponents from around corners. High Voltage knows what they’ve promised for multiplayer, and they also know what we expect. They have zero plans to let us down.

With The Conduit, High Voltage is proving that the Wii can do some amazing things. You wouldn’t think it from the third party landscape out there. Really, High Voltage is the dream team we were hoping for. A truly dedicated group of programmers that know what the core is crying out for. They are Wii fans, and they know the Wii can play home to some truly amazing titles. Their hard work is something that is rare with third parties…which is a huge shame. Every developer should take such pride in their products. High Voltage is working their ass off to deliver the experience they know that we want…and they want it too.

I’ll end with a little bit of conversation that came up in our elevator ride down to the hotel lobby. We got into talking about publishers, and while High Voltage wouldn’t give me a name, they had a truly horrible story to tell. One publisher they approached outright told them that they didn’t understand why High Voltage was making the game. They thought the project was great, but had no idea who they were trying to sell to. After saying that, the publishers said that they wanted to turn the game into a $20 project, and crap it out for a holiday release. Yes, the publisher really said “crap it out”. Seriously, how disheartening is that?

Whether you like FPS titles or not, you should pay attention to High Voltage. The Conduit is set to upstage almost all third parties on Wii. When the game hits, and if the sales are there, it will start the countdown clock for third party garbage. High Voltage is a team for you, the core gamer. They want to bring you that kick-ass experience that you’ve been waiting for. Take interest in the game or not…just appreciate and acknowlege what High Voltage is trying to do. They aren’t just making an FPS game, they are trying to change the state of Wii support for the core gamer.

[Laharl]

nice to see a neutral source >_>

[Someone Else]

Quote

Whether you like FPS titles or not, you should pay attention to High Voltage. The Conduit is set to upstage almost all third parties on Wii. When the game hits, and if the sales are there, it will start the countdown clock for third party garbage. High Voltage is a team for you, the core gamer. They want to bring you that kick-ass experience that you’ve been waiting for. Take interest in the game or not…just appreciate and acknowlege what High Voltage is trying to do. They aren’t just making an FPS game, they are trying to change the state of Wii support for the core gamer.

QFT anyway

[Golden Legacy]

Beautifully said, and thanks Zeyph for posting that hands-on with the preview build. I'm so glad to see the sincere effort High Voltage has put into the project. The Conduit deserves attention, and I can only hope they will find a publisher that can appreciate the work they've done.

Great stuff.

[Zeypher]

Yap.

IGN is doing a live showing of the game with HVS, and it'll be on their LiveWire thing. It starts at 6PM PST (I think), and at the time of this post it was 3:36 according to the IGN player.
Anyway, if you're excited for this game it's a must watch!
http://livewire.ign....8/e3/index.html

[Zeypher]

The Conduit confirmed to use Wii Speak for online voice chat.

New Gameplay Videos from E3:
Alleyway Kill
Laser Gun
Boss Battle
Use The Conduit
Guided Grenade
Flying Bastard
Control Adjust

[Someone Else]

Looks sweet. Did I see lock-on, though? =(

Graphics look good, but sound effects leave a bit to be desired.

[Golden Legacy]

Fantastic videos, the graphics are surprisingly crisp and clean.

Wind Dude, I've read that it's just an option if you choose to have it. You can customize the control scheme smoothly and efficiently, as in the Control Adjust video Zeyph posted.

[Someone Else]

Yep, that's where I saw it. I was kind of hoping for something like auto-aim or aim assist that you see in other console shooters, as pure lock-on has felt clunky to me up to this point for an FPS.

[Zeypher]

Wait, do you like lock on, or dislike it?

[Legolastom]

The thing he likes is where the game mini locks on to something so if they make slight movements you dont have to constantly change where your aiming.

[Someone Else]

^ That's the one.

[Toasty]

Laharl, on Jul 16 2008, 06:59 AM, said:

nice to see a neutral source >_>

Does it really matter? Most of what was said in the article would be said by aneutral source anyway.

3rd parties are treating the Wii like crap. These guys iobviously aren't. But I'm not impressed with the polygon count. =/

[Zeypher]

Oh well Toasty. OH WELL.

Hands on of VGChartz:

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Got to play the Conduit yesterday afternoon and the rest of the staff wanted me to write this one up myself at the expense of posting speed.

First thing I noticed going into the game was how fantastic it looked. There's a lot of detail and everything's sharp and polished, the High Voltage guys really have something for an engine here. Best of all the world isn't all dark and gray like you see so often with new tech. There's normal mapping on the characters, and the character and weapon models are quite impressive looking. The environment textures are a bit bland right now but that's mostly just in comparison to the great lighting effects and character models and stuff -- still better than most stuff on Wii, easily.

The game is, in essence, a sci-fi themed first-person shooter, a horridly under-represented genre on the Wii. Metroid Prime 3 is the only decent game that even comes close, and that's a much slower paced adventure game. The Conduit is fast and action-packed. The controls for The Conduit have been ripped basically straight out of Medal of Honor: Heroes 2, and that's a very good thing. In its simplicity, you just point and shoot. Everything else is fully customizeable. Any action can be mapped to any button or motion. Many different settings such as the size of the dead zone, the cursor sensitivity, the turning speed, and even whether or not pressing and releasing the duck button will cause you to stay down, or if you have to hold the button down to stay in a ducking position. Overall it's the first game so far to combine great looking graphics and extremely tight first-person shooting controls in a hectic, action-heavy experience.

The story is pretty generic fare, centered around an alien invasion in Washington DC. The High Voltage guys have said that you'll be visiting various recognizable DC landmarks in some form throughout the game. The story will be delivered by recorded video news broadcasts intermittently, as well as voice communications from your commanders. The Conduit isn't trying to reinvent the wheel, but rather bring a really spiffy wheel to the Wii for the first time.

There are three types of weapons. Human weapons are the standard pistol and rifle types. Trust weapons are those from the secret government that has known about and been preparing for the alien invasion. Alien weapons will look and feel truly alien, with insect-like appearances, and often will appear to be moving or breathing. One such weapon is a laser-guided alien missile, which after launch will continue to follow your cursor on the screen until impact. Another weapon is the Deatomizer, which normally shoots out simple electric bolts but when charged sends out twin bolts like an electric bola. When one bolt strikes an object, the other swings around as if they two were attached by a chain. Best of all you can control the angle between the two bolts by twisting the Wii remote before firing, a clever use of the tilt sensing. You can only carry two weapons at the same time, and all weapons of a type (Human, Trust, Alien) will share the same ammo. There are, of course, grenades in addition to the regular weaponry, including the normal explosive kind, flash bangs that stun enemies, and sticky radiation grenades that do persistent damage.

Another gameplay feature is the All-Seeing Eye, an object that reveals hidden things to you. You'll occassionally receive an indication that the ASE might help you out, and it can reveal a tumbler puzzle interface on the wall leading to hidden weapons and ammo, or hidden enemies that can only be destroyed when revealed with the ASE but have no problems attacking you before that. There will be some minor puzzles like this throughout the game to add some variety to the gameplay.

Aliens will be littered throughout the environment as you progress. You can also lock on to enemies, which will help stabilize and center your camera (similar to how targeting works in Metroid Prime 3) and also show the enemy's health and range. There will also be swirling portals (one of the many "conduit" references in the game) which will inifinitely respawn alien attackers until destroyed, similar to the mechanic used in Gauntlet. Best of all was the boss fight, a huge monster that requires some strategy to beat -- a strategy which I miserably failed at despite the game being set to easy mode. This particular boss absolutely destroys anything in close range, so your only chance is to stay back and hide behind the nearby cars for cover. But you can't stay still, because the boss also shoots out missiles and flying enemies to go after you. Me? I couldn't handle the intricacies of jumping and ducking and shooting and running all at the same time, but I just suck at games as I've mentioned before. Just read my Mega Man 9 hands-on -- took me four tries to get over the first jump.

Anyway, back to the Conduit. As you probably know by now, there will be online multiplayer. They're shooting for as many players as possible while maintaining a high quality experience -- currently that number is 16, but could change in either direction. There is no local splitscreen multi-player, due to technical challenges and the desire to make the core game as good as possible. Online play will have as many of the traditional game modes as they can fit in, while ensuring that each one meets their high standards. Also, with the recent announcement of WiiSpeak, the High Voltage guys have decided to add in voice chat. We're all hoping someone figures out how to hack a headset into the speakerphone though.

As for MotionPlus, they said they'll look at it but hadn't heard anything about it until yesterday morning, which is pretty much in line with what other developers have been saying. There's not much motion control in the game now and they're not going to shoehorn anything in just to make use of another feature. As for any discussion about friend codes, the official party line is "No comment", which when translated appeared to mean they're banging their heads against Nintendo's online wall.

Anyway there's everything I know about the game, which is probably less than you know by now, but there it is. I'll be trying to get my hands on some exclusive screens for you guys in the next week or two as well.

http://news.vgchartz...ews.php?id=1522

[Someone Else]

Zeypher, on Jul 17 2008, 07:29 PM, said:

Oh well Toasty. OH WELL.

And good game looks good.

[Zeypher]

IGN hands-on:
http://wii.ign.com/a...1/891710p1.html

It seems everybody is praising the controls and graphics.

[Laharl]

Toasty, on Jul 18 2008, 03:22 AM, said:

Does it really matter? Most of what was said in the article would be said by aneutral source anyway.

i'd rather hear the facts without any spin on them

[Someone Else]

http://www.shacknews...article.x/55069

Focusing on graphics instead of gameplay in this article.

It looks okay for Wii I guess. But I think you're doing the wrong thing if you're going for a "ZOMG GRAFIX" based hype when you're developing on the Wii...

[Toasty]

Not entirely. I mean, people are always caliming that the Wii can't produce good graphics. If a game comes out for the Wii who's graphics are almost on par with the 360's, that's something.

[Laharl]

they really need to stop hyping this.

and WD is correct

[Caael]

Toasty, on Oct 3 2008, 03:50 AM, said:

If a game comes out for the Wii who's graphics are almost on par with the 360's, that's something.

http://www.shacknews.com/screenshots.x?gal...26530#img126529

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/...2_screen001.jpg

what were you saying?

The conduits graphics are poor, look at the textures of the hand and gun in that screenshot. When a wii game looks like something that would be on the ps2, you're doing something wrong.

[Someone Else]

Hell no, this looks way better than, say, Metal Gear Solid 3 on PS2.

I mean, I guess it's a good benchmark for technology featured in FPS games on the Wii, but it's still not a good way to hype it when the Wii wasn't intended for awesome amazing grafix anyways.

[Toasty]

Caael, on Oct 3 2008, 08:17 AM, said:

http://www.shacknews.com/screenshots.x?gal...26530#img126529

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/...2_screen001.jpg

what were you saying?

The conduits graphics are poor, look at the textures of the hand and gun in that screenshot. When a wii game looks like something that would be on the ps2, you're doing something wrong.

I already knew that. The Wii physically can't produce as many poligons or as high of a resolution than the 360. On top of that, it doesn't look like High Voltage is even going to add anti-aliasing.

However, the particle effects are the best I've seen on the Wii, and in general, these graphics are nearly on par with early 360 games. That's definately saying something for a system with practically half the horsepower of the 360.

[Golden Legacy]

It's a lot less than half Toasty. The Wii is best thought of in GC terms of power, several times, or a little more than the original Xbox.

For certain, those visuals really do outpace anything I've seen on the Wii. The controls are reported to be even more fluid and customizable than Corruption's, which has me at least cautiously optimistic.

[Toasty]

When it comes to consoles, the speed of the processor and the number of cores it has correlates very loosely with overall performance. Unlike most PC's which run on the x86 or x86-64 architecture, each console has a different architecture that performs differently than the others.

It's at the very least one and a half times more powerful than the origional Xbox. At best, a little over half as powerful as the 360.


Anyway, I'm dissapointed that there won't be any anti-aliasing. Then again, I don't think there's ever been a Nintendo game that had it in the first place.

[Split Infinity]

Judging by the specs on Wiki, the Wii is almost exactly as powerful as the Xbox. Expect Halo-quality graphics, I suppose.

[Someone Else]

If the game's lighting is good enough, the glow will soften the edges and you won't need AA. I hardly notice the lack of AA in a game like SPORE. It's not really a big deal, besides, good framerate > AA.

[Split Infinity]

Agreed, but even some half-aliasing would be nice though, like they did with the Gran Turismo games. And they managed to run at a solid framerate too.

[Toasty]

Framerate > AA only applies when the framrates are running at 20-25FPS or slower in my eyes.

And the higher a resolution you game at, the less noticeable jagged edges are because there's more pixels on the screen. I can garuntee that the resolution you play Spore at is higher than what the Wii produces (which would be 480p, or 853x480 if it's 16:9, 640x480 if it's 4:3), WD.

Split Infinity, on Oct 5 2008, 11:39 PM, said:

Judging by the specs on Wiki, the Wii is almost exactly as powerful as the Xbox. Expect Halo-quality graphics, I suppose.

Toasty, on Oct 5 2008, 08:54 PM, said:

When it comes to consoles, the speed of the processor and the number of cores it has correlates very loosely with overall performance. Unlike most PC's which run on the x86 or x86-64 architecture, each console has a different architecture that performs differently than the others.

The Xbox ran on a modified Pentium 3. The Wii runs on a specialized PowerPC-based CPU made from much more recent technologies (which means it has a more efficient and more powerful instruction set and architecture).

On a side note, IBM designed the processors in all three of the current gen consoles. Looks like they win no matter who sells the most.

[Split Infinity]

Toasty, on Oct 6 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

And the higher a resolution you game at, the less noticeable jagged edges are because there's more pixels on the screen. I can garuntee that the resolution you play Spore at is higher than what the Wii produces (which would be 480p, or 853x480 if it's 16:9, 640x480 if it's 4:3), WD.

B*tches don't know bout my 576i.

[Toasty]

Curse you PAL and your superior standard-def broadcasting!

[Split Infinity]

Kind of annoying how it just switches back to 480 when you enable 60Hz though.

So we get a choice of 10 more hertz or 96 extra lines. :/

[Toasty]

I'd rather have the extra 10Hz. I can't stand even having my monitors refreshing as slow as 60Hz. Anything less, and I think I'd go crazy.

But then again, that's for monitors. I don't seem to notice it as far as TV's go.