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Mac vs PC vs GNU+Linux

Poll: Mac vs PC vs GNU+Linux

Which Operating System Do You Prefer (Overall)?

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#1   Eugine 

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    Posted 21 April 2008 - 09:39 PM

    Which one do you prefer, and why? Don't got an opinion myself.


    EDIT: I decided to make this an unofficial poll of sorts. -Nick

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      Posted 21 April 2008 - 10:58 PM

      PC (of course). More software and an interface that simply makes more sense to me.

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        Posted 22 April 2008 - 12:29 AM

        PC. Most good Mac games are just ports, and the Windows interface beats anything I've come across so far. Macs try to cover up the computer with the interface instead of letting you freely access system files. On a PC the taskbar shows all your open windows, while on a Mac it only shows your running programs, and you have to find the window by yourself.

        And for some stupid reason, when I try to delete files from a USB using a Mac, it forgets to delete the temporary '.Trashes' folder it leaves on the drive, so the files disappear but the disk space doesn't. Grr.

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          Posted 22 April 2008 - 12:46 AM

          This is difficult. PC is your standard good for your money computer. If you want something that works (most of the time) for not very much cash, get a PC.

          However, if you want something outstanding that you have to pay loads for, get a mac. I have PC; it works fine and it's cool and all, but my brother in uni has a mac and it's absolutely amazing. But tbh it's more of a media centre than a computer.

          Meh, i'll go with PC.

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            Posted 22 April 2008 - 01:04 AM

            Macs USUALLY have fewer problems (lol at the macbook pro. So much for reliability). You'll likely spend less time fixing your mac than you would your PC. And now that they run on Intel instead of the PowerPC architecture, you can run Windows on them. The only thing is, is that even with windows, You can't access a Mac's BIOS settings, and thus you cannot overclock your computer, or if you have RAID, you can't adjust the RAID settings through the hardware, it must be done through software (at least from what I understand). Also, Mac's use their own hardware, so you're standard DDR2 SDRAM won't work in a Mac.

            Though OS X Leaopard is far more stable than Vista from what I unndersyand, you can't do nearly as many things with it than you can with Windows. As long as you know how to not screw up your computer, Windows>>>>>>Mac OS. But as far as multimedia goes (pictures, video, music), Mac OS is the better choice.

            Mac's are better for people who don't have a lot of tech know-how. They won't be needing to fix their laptop/desktop nearly as often. Plus, those people are obviously not going to do any customization or hardware upgrades of any kind. Something that's very hard to do on a Mac.

            On the other hand, PC's are HIGHLY customizable, and much less restricting in the terms of both hardware and software. Besides Windows, there's a bundle of other OS's out there that you could use. If your PC starts to go out of date, you only have to upgrade a few things to bring it up to speed, instead of (in most cases) buying a new one (unless the core of your hardware [motherboard/CPU] becomes obsolete).


            Basically, I personally hate Mac OS and Apple's BIOS, but the hardware is more often then not, very good quality. I love PC's for their open-ness, despite the more frequent hardware malfunctions.

            PC for me.

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              Posted 22 April 2008 - 01:10 AM

              Actually Toasty, they manufacture Macs with both PowerPC and Intel architectures. About 25% of the times I download a program for a Mac, I have to make sure it's the correct type otherwise it won't run.

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                Posted 22 April 2008 - 01:15 AM

                Mac Pro G5 uses Intel Xeons. It's the only Mac worth mentioning. :o

                And I know that. But they use Intel's now aswell, so on some systems, you could run Windows instead of Mac OS.

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                  Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:07 PM

                  I prefer a GNU+Linux system on a desktop system.

                  The ability to do so many things with the system - including game, program, etc - is great. The flexibility and the freedom and no-cost associated with GNU+Linux is awesome and ensures my system does what I want it to do.

                  I like Macs, but the hardware lock-in is too much for me, especially when I have no specific need for a Mac. I don't do hardcore video editing nor image manipulation so I'm more than fine with The GIMP and other free software like it.

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                    Posted 22 April 2008 - 09:27 PM

                    So do games designed for windows work on GNU+Linux systems? Because I thought that they only ran software designed for it. If I can run all of my current programs on something other than Windows, tell me. Please.

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                      Posted 23 April 2008 - 03:49 PM

                      Microsoft computer products are full of fail but we still use them anyways.
                      I like Macs.
                      But I use Windows.
                      Darn!

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                        Posted 23 April 2008 - 04:34 PM

                        Safari> IE&FF

                        Dont deny it, you know it's true.

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                          Posted 23 April 2008 - 05:12 PM

                          I have all three. Safari's the most annoying of all of them.

                          Curse you Steve Jobs and your highly restrictive software! *shakes fist*

                          IE > FF >>>>> Safari

                          FF has plugins, but you can open your links in new tabs in IE with the click of a button. In FF, you actually have to open a DROP DOWN MENU. D: It's horrible. I know.

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                            Posted 23 April 2008 - 05:55 PM

                            I find I can do a lot more with windows than with mac. I've never tried Linux, but I hope to someday.

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                              Posted 23 April 2008 - 05:56 PM

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                              In FF, you actually have to open a DROP DOWN MENU. D: It's horrible. I know.

                              Actually, you don't. You can drag your bookmarks to the space above your tabs and you can just click them right away. If you don't believe me I can take a screenshot :(

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                                Posted 23 April 2008 - 06:32 PM

                                That's still more work than just pressing the arrow that would be right next to them in IE.

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                                  Posted 23 April 2008 - 06:44 PM

                                  Safari> FF& IE

                                  Imo, Safari> IE> FF

                                  Dont argue, i'm 100% correct. It's the law.

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                                    Posted 23 April 2008 - 10:48 PM

                                    Safari effs up more pages than FF does. Plus, it doesn't have any plugins. The only redeeming feature is that it loads web pages a little faster. It doesn't even have a favorite's list on the side. It has a DROP DOWN MENU. D:

                                    Safari sucks balls. Almost anyone who uses something other than Mac OS will agree.

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                                      Posted 24 April 2008 - 12:54 AM

                                      Safari is decent, but there's nothing really special about it.

                                      Firefox is a good, practical web browser, and has some neat features like restore session, but I find the UI to be pretty average.

                                      IE7 has a great-looking skin, the interface is polished to perfection, it has pretty much everything that the other browsers have and does everything I've ever needed it to do. Plus it integrates with Windows, which is great too.

                                      The only reason I use Firefox on this computer is because IE7 isn't compatible with the system; plus IE6 doesn't have tabs (I found a toolbar for it which did, but the trial period expired).

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                                        Posted 24 April 2008 - 01:34 AM

                                        Those toolbars suck. I tried them.

                                        The only thing I use FF for is IRC, which I rarely use.

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                                          Posted 24 April 2008 - 01:36 AM

                                          I used the MicroGardens Web Tools one. It works just as well as any other tab system.

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                                            Posted 24 April 2008 - 03:18 AM

                                            All I can remember, was that google or yahoo, or SOMEONE, released a tabbed browsing feature in a toolbar, and I was alll like "SWEET! *orgasm*," and then it anally raped me harder than a gorilla on psycadellic drugs.

                                            The trauma from that event prevents me from acessing the rest of my memory of it, so that's all I can say.

                                            But seriously though. It made IE6 crash numerous times, so I was like "FRIKKIN' A!" and uninstalled the hell out of it. (evidence nuker ftw)

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                                              Posted 24 April 2008 - 07:18 AM

                                              That was probably the Windows Live toolbar. The one I was using worked fine.

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                                                Posted 24 April 2008 - 12:07 PM

                                                Windows Explorer, very bad, I have had bad experience with, for some reasons its slow with me and I have a good internet connection and pc and if i use Firefox or Opera its fine, actually amazing XD

                                                Windows operating system, I hate it, they go slow after a year, you have to defragment your hard drive because Windows can't seem to store information good and yet MAC is a computer I would love to have, one is because you don't even need a anti virus, isn't it like 99.9 of most malware works on Windows and 5 viruses work on a mAC and the most infected mac machines was in fact 5? Although i do loves macs since they're best for multimedia, I just can't afford them, there too expensive and I would rather buy the MAC pro, they're a beast!

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                                                  Posted 24 April 2008 - 04:34 PM

                                                  I've only had exposure to Macs and PCs, and the latter so much more (I'm on a Windows Vista Enterprise OS laptop).

                                                  I find Macs to be far more streamlined and smoother in productivity, though only the few times I've used them. In general however, I fall into the category of having been exposed to mostly Windows all my life, and thus it's the one I'm most comfortable with.

                                                  Say what you will about it, it's familiar, gets the job done, and simply makes enough sense to warrant using it consistently.

                                                  For me, of course.

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                                                    Posted 24 April 2008 - 04:50 PM

                                                    View PostKuchiyose, on Apr 25 2008, 04:07 AM, said:

                                                    Windows Explorer, very bad, I have had bad experience with, for some reasons its slow with me and I have a good internet connection and pc and if i use Firefox or Opera its fine, actually amazing XD

                                                    Windows operating system, I hate it, they go slow after a year, you have to defragment your hard drive because Windows can't seem to store information good and yet MAC is a computer I would love to have, one is because you don't even need a anti virus, isn't it like 99.9 of most malware works on Windows and 5 viruses work on a mAC and the most infected mac machines was in fact 5? Although i do loves macs since they're best for multimedia, I just can't afford them, there too expensive and I would rather buy the MAC pro, they're a beast!

                                                    Internet Explorer you mean; Windows Explorer is the shell interface.

                                                    And for the record, Windows machines only slow down if you let them pile up with junk. That's what happened to our last two machines, but now I organise my files so I know where they are and frequently delete things I don't need, as well as maintaining a good anti-virus, and it's been running smoothly for over a year. I haven't even needed to defrag it so far.

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                                                      Posted 24 April 2008 - 06:55 PM

                                                      View PostKuchiyose, on Apr 24 2008, 11:07 AM, said:

                                                      Windows Explorer, very bad, I have had bad experience with, for some reasons its slow with me and I have a good internet connection and pc and if i use Firefox or Opera its fine, actually amazing XD

                                                      Windows operating system, I hate it, they go slow after a year, you have to defragment your hard drive because Windows can't seem to store information good and yet MAC is a computer I would love to have, one is because you don't even need a anti virus, isn't it like 99.9 of most malware works on Windows and 5 viruses work on a mAC and the most infected mac machines was in fact 5? Although i do loves macs since they're best for multimedia, I just can't afford them, there too expensive and I would rather buy the MAC pro, they're a beast!


                                                      That's why they include "Disk Checker" along with "disk defragmenter." Running defragger once a month and checker once a year is enough to keep my system running smoothly.

                                                      If you still have problems, back up your important files and re-install windows. Wouldn't be a bad idea to do this anually, actually, or at least every other year.

                                                      As for Macs, they fragment the hard drive just like every other operating system. It happens because data is continuously erased and written to the drive, thus moving things around. Not sure if Macs do it more or less, but all computers do it to some extent.

                                                      And of course they have fewer viruses, because every gets windows instead because macs suck. :(

                                                      Macs are more streamlined, but being a person who's greatly intrigued with electronics, the Mac OS's restrictiveness gives me claustrophobia.

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                                                        Posted 24 April 2008 - 06:58 PM

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                                                        Safari> IE> FF

                                                        I hope thats a typo. Internet Explorer is the worse thing to happen to man kind, other than the election of George Dubya.

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                                                          Posted 24 April 2008 - 06:59 PM

                                                          Care to elaborate on why?

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                                                            Posted 24 April 2008 - 07:02 PM

                                                            View PostSplit Infinity, on Apr 24 2008, 06:59 PM, said:

                                                            Care to elaborate on why?

                                                            About IE?
                                                            It's terrible in comparison to Safari and FF. It runs slower and has virtually no security.
                                                            Opera browser is pretty good too, imo.

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                                                              Posted 24 April 2008 - 07:03 PM

                                                              IE6 was terrible. IE7 isn't that bad honestly imo.

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                                                                Posted 24 April 2008 - 07:05 PM

                                                                I don't notice any speed difference. And IE7 has plenty of security. There's phishing filters, secure connections, 128-bit encryption, download verification, and plenty of other stuff I could find if I went searching.

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                                                                  Posted 24 April 2008 - 07:05 PM

                                                                  View PostEugine, on Apr 24 2008, 07:03 PM, said:

                                                                  IE6 was terrible. IE7 isn't that bad honestly imo.

                                                                  IE7 is alright I guess, but it still feels too sluggish to me after I've been using FF and Opera for so long.
                                                                  Have you ever used IE5? The majority of the computers at mah school have that **** on them.

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                                                                  I don't notice any speed difference. And IE7 has plenty of security. There's phishing filters, secure connections, 128-bit encryption, download verification, and plenty of other stuff I could find if I went searching.

                                                                  In comparison to FF...
                                                                  I don't really like IE...And it runs extremely slow on my computer btw. Might be because I'm running crappy Vista though.

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                                                                    Have you ever used IE5? The majority of the computers at mah school have that **** on them.

                                                                    That's because they stopped porting it to Mac after that.

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                                                                      Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:46 AM

                                                                      FF, even with faster fox tweaked to perfection, only runs barely faster for me than IE7. Safari runs noticeably faster, but I absolutely hate the interface. Haven't used Opera yet, so I don't know much about it.

                                                                      IE is secure when it needs to be, i.e. payment transactions. It tells you when there's a secure connection or not, and tells you if the SSL certificate is valid or not.

                                                                      IE5 sucks balls. IE6 doesn't have tabs. IE7 is way better than either one, and IE8 is slated to come out soon I tried the beta, but it's an early build so it doesn't interpret HTML scripts accurately.

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                                                                        Posted 27 April 2008 - 11:20 AM

                                                                        View PostToasty, on Apr 24 2008, 12:48 AM, said:

                                                                        Safari effs up more pages than FF does. Plus, it doesn't have any plugins. The only redeeming feature is that it loads web pages a little faster. It doesn't even have a favorite's list on the side. It has a DROP DOWN MENU. D:

                                                                        Safari sucks balls. Almost anyone who uses something other than Mac OS will agree.


                                                                        Firefox has a bookmarks toolbar, by default, which has all your bookmarks and such presented to you without the need to view them in the menu.

                                                                        Firefox also has the ability to open links in a new tab with one click - middle click a link sometime. It opens in a new tab.

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                                                                          Posted 27 April 2008 - 04:40 PM

                                                                          Don't have a third mouse button.

                                                                          And I was talking about Safari, not FF. But in Safari, there isn't (to my knowledge) a list that you can pull up on the side that has all your links.

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                                                                            Posted 28 April 2008 - 11:57 AM

                                                                            If you don't have a third mouse button, you should be able to click with both the left and right mouse button at the same time to emulate the middle click function.


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