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We're running out of internet I suggest real life instead

#1   kate 

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    Posted 04 August 2008 - 02:10 PM

    Okay so I dunno if there's been a topic about this already, because I am lazy, but here goes.

    IP addresses mmyes? 4 sets of 3 numbers...and I think there's some other ways too. Anywho, according to someone (I forgot who wrote the article), we're running out of numbers. Easy to fix right? No, apparently the way they're set up now is too set into the way the internet works to change (that's what I read, correct me if I'm wrong). Every new page, every new everything is rapidly decreasing the available addresses. Apparently they've known about this for a while and no one has thought of any way to fix it.

    So anyways, you're all nerds, how hard is this to fix? Can you think of a way around it or will we just run out of internets? Discuss, and tell me if I got something wrong because I'm fuzzy on details

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      Posted 04 August 2008 - 02:45 PM

      Get rid of YouTube and MySpace. Problem solve'd.

      I heard another thing that the internet was basically running out of "space" or more rather, bandwidth because of all the information going everywhere all the time. Basically, too many videos.

      More about bandwidth than IP addresses I think... though, like you, I'm fuzzy on the details. I'm sure Toasty and Split will try to prove both of us wrong.

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        Posted 04 August 2008 - 02:46 PM

        Sup /b/,

        I have an idea on how we can get free internets. You know how people can share their wireless connection? And there are wireless signal amplifiers? What if one person put amplifiers for their wireless everywhere? We could start by one per block and get a whole neighboorhood going, then a city! Then the whole continent! We could put a folder in the network for websites, people can put text files for their coding, and we can just open them in our browser!!!!


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          Posted 04 August 2008 - 04:17 PM

          I'm going to go on a long shot and say that if we got rid of all the pr0nz we'd have about 50% of the internet back.

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            Posted 04 August 2008 - 06:12 PM

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Interne...ress_spaces.svg

            I think we're safe for now. 2^128 addresses seems more than adequate enough.


            Pretty much any web browser today will support both IPv4 and IPv6. IPv4 is the one most of you are familiar with, i.e. 192.168.1.1 and whatnot (that's the IP adress of most wireless routers on a home network). IPv4 is four groups of numbers (between 0 and 255, for 256 [16^2] different numbers) all in decimal. IPv6 is 8 groups of hexadecimal numbers (0 to ffff, or 16^4 different numbers). IPv4's groups are seperated by a period, IPv6's groups are seperated by a colon.

            http://en.wikipedia....i/IP_6#Notation

            So I think the internets will be safe for another decade or two.


            As for the bandwidth thing, it wouldn't surprise me. Our internet infrastructure is built upon the old phone line infastructure, so basically, the internet still has 56k death in its bones. If we can sperate the internet from the phone lines, and connect everything together with fiber optics, the problem will be mostly solved.

            But the "internet" that's being built for that new fancy machine which might create a black whole consists of mainly fiber, so it runs super fast. However, I believe it's isolated from the real internet.

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              Posted 04 August 2008 - 09:35 PM

              How do you know so much about computers and claim to have a life :P

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                Posted 04 August 2008 - 10:16 PM

                lol thanks for clearing that up toasty, but I'm going to stick with my "the sky is falling" way of thinking :P

                Can we get rid of the pron? please? Is that an option? Nothing is sacred anymore.

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                  Posted 05 August 2008 - 12:09 AM

                  To be honest I thought I would never see the day that the internet may go missing XD Its South Park all over again xD

                  But in seriousness, this is news to me and very interesting at that, but they got to figure away to add more space since its just gonna fill up at one point but like Toasty said due IPv6 it should have enough space for a couple of decades. And Bandwidth problem, destroy zee pronz and youtube XD

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                    Posted 05 August 2008 - 12:15 AM

                    Hey hey, pronz is what the internet stands for. Get rid of Myspace thats whats unholy.

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                      Posted 05 August 2008 - 12:26 AM

                      If we get rid of pron where are kids going to learn sex ed? =/

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                        Posted 05 August 2008 - 01:43 AM

                        Make it a practical sex ed?

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                          Posted 05 August 2008 - 02:14 AM

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                          Can we get rid of the pron? please? Is that an option? Nothing is sacred anymore.

                          whack up.

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                            Posted 05 August 2008 - 06:22 AM

                            View Postwatch, on Aug 4 2008, 08:35 PM, said:

                            How do you know so much about computers and claim to have a life :P


                            I live in a cave in my basement. It's dark. And awesome.

                            Because the internet is my hard drive. All knowledge on the internet is available to me, because I can understand it.

                            That's how. :P

                            Plus I read numerous technology-related news articles and magazines.


                            [EDIT] And btw, IPv6 offers more than 5 billion IP adresses for EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE PLANET.

                            So in all honesty, we may not even run out of space for half a century or more. It depends on how quickly the internet grows, and how quickly technology advances.

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                              Posted 05 August 2008 - 04:48 PM

                              What would we all do without internets!?

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                                Posted 05 August 2008 - 04:51 PM

                                View PostToasty, on Aug 5 2008, 02:22 PM, said:

                                So in all honesty, we may not even run out of space for half a century or more. It depends on how quickly the internet grows, and how quickly technology advances.


                                Or when Chinese people are allowed more then one kid.

                                Meh, they'll think of something by that time. We could always start selling our IP adresses for money.

                                *buy a few billion adresses*

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                                  Posted 05 August 2008 - 10:50 PM

                                  View PostZeypher, on Aug 5 2008, 03:48 PM, said:

                                  What would we all do without internets!?


                                  ....have a life?

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                                    Posted 05 August 2008 - 11:17 PM

                                    View PostToasty, on Aug 5 2008, 10:50 PM, said:

                                    ....have a life?

                                    ...wat?

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                                      Posted 07 August 2008 - 11:14 AM

                                      From wikipedia

                                      [edit] Exhaustion

                                      Main article: IP address exhaustion

                                      Since the 1980s, there has been concern that the number of available IP(v4) addresses is being exhausted. This was the driving factor in classful networks and then later in the creation of CIDR addressing.

                                      Today, there are several driving forces to the next address allocation solution:

                                      o Mobile devices — laptop computers, PDAs, mobile phones
                                      o Always-on devices — ADSL modems, cable modems
                                      o Rapidly growing number of Internet users

                                      The most visible solution is to migrate to IPv6 since the address size jumps dramatically from 32 bits to 128 bits, which would allow each of about 18 quintillion people their own set of 18 quintillion addresses (3.4e38 total addresses). However, migration has proved to be a challenge in itself, and total Internet adoption of IPv6 is unlikely to occur for many years.

                                      Some things that can be done to mitigate the IPv4 address exhaustion are (not mutually exclusive):

                                      o Network address translation (NAT)
                                      o Use of private networks
                                      o Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP)
                                      o Name-based virtual hosting
                                      o Tighter control by Regional Internet Registries on the allocation of addresses to Local Internet Registries
                                      o Network renumbering to reclaim large blocks of address space allocated in the early days of the Internet

                                      As of April 2008, predictions of exhaustion date of the unallocated IANA pool seem to converge to between February 2010[2] and May 2011[3]

                                      ...My dad just emailed that to me. So...yeah. I dunno what any of it means but I do know those dates look awfully close

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                                        Posted 07 August 2008 - 01:43 PM

                                        View PostSaturos Striker, on Aug 5 2008, 06:51 PM, said:

                                        Or when Chinese people are allowed more then one kid.

                                        Meh, they'll think of something by that time. We could always start selling our IP adresses for money.

                                        *buy a few billion adresses*

                                        they will be publicly traded on the NYSE

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                                          Posted 07 August 2008 - 07:54 PM

                                          Kate, that basically means that IPv6 hasn't been fully implimented yet, but it should be fully integrated into the internet within the next few years. Though the remaining "internet property" we have left (with IPv4) will probably be exhausted between 2010 and 2011.

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                                            Posted 07 August 2008 - 11:22 PM

                                            "total Internet adoption of IPv6 is unlikely to occur for many years."

                                            there are 2 years between us and that deadline.

                                            couple=2
                                            few=3
                                            several=more than 3
                                            many=we're fscked

                                            or at least it's possible

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                                              Posted 08 August 2008 - 05:23 AM

                                              Yeah, I think you get the giest of it.


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