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Game of the Year? Place yer bets!

#1   Someone Else 

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    Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:09 PM

    Post your personal list for GOTY candidates and, if you can make a decision, which of those will win GOTY.
    • Gears 2
    • Far Cry 2
    • MGS4
    • GTA IV
    • Fable 2
    • Super Smash Bros. Brawl
    • Fallout 3
    • Resistance 2 (I guess)

    Out of those I can only picture these guys winning:
    • Gears 2
    • Fallout 3
    • MGS4

    Based off of nothing, I'm going to say it will probably be Gears 2.

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      Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:14 PM

      They're always based off popularity, not of the games actual quality. Well, that is a factor but popularity is more to do with it. I'm going to say either Gears 2 or MGS4, because of the massive fanbases of both.

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        Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:24 PM

        Indeed. So far, I wouldn't pick MGS4 or GTA IV for GOTY even though both were extremely popular, I just think it's interesting to think about.

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          Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:28 PM

          I'm going for GOW2, because it will be a new release and people refuse to admit flaws in new releases. Plus it's got more of a fanbase than Halo.

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            Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:43 PM

            Fable 2, because it's the reason I'm getting an xbox 360.

            ...well, my brother is, same thing really.

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              Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:54 PM

              View PostCaael, on Sep 25 2008, 08:14 PM, said:

              They're always based off popularity, not of the games actual quality. Well, that is a factor but popularity is more to do with it. I'm going to say either Gears 2 or MGS4, because of the massive fanbases of both.


              ... Wut? Wouldn't that mean that you two choices would be GTA IV and Brawl?

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                Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:56 PM

                Brawl doesnt have a big fanbase, and if you read my earlier post, you'd see why i didnt choose GTA.

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                  Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:58 PM

                  I'd say GTA. It has both quality and popularity.

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                    Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:59 PM

                    But it's violent, really, really violent games don't win.... right?

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                      Posted 25 September 2008 - 01:22 PM

                      View PostCaael, on Sep 25 2008, 08:14 PM, said:

                      They're always based off popularity, not of the games actual quality. Well, that is a factor but popularity is more to do with it. I'm going to say either Gears 2 or MGS4, because of the massive fanbases of both.


                      Brawl sold 5.6 million copies.

                      MGS4 sold 3 million copies.

                      And if you're about to say that fanbase isn't the same as sales, then just be quiet.

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                        Posted 25 September 2008 - 01:28 PM

                        You're not too intelligent if you think that every one of those 5.6 million is a fan. This is the Wii we're talking about here. Give it the Nintendo brand, and everybody will buy it.

                        Besides, "As of 16 August 2008, [GTA IV] has sold over 10 million copies through to consumers"

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                          Posted 25 September 2008 - 01:35 PM

                          Dont forget Turcock.

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                            Posted 25 September 2008 - 01:38 PM

                            wut?

                            What does turok have to do with anything?

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                              Posted 25 September 2008 - 01:54 PM

                              How ****ty it is. Seriously WTF? I was expecting better than that ****, Seeds of evil was awesome but the newest one is ****ing stupid I mean the main character looks like a ****ing turd.

                              Not like this has anything to do with this topic...

                              Anywai back on topic considering 4 of those are coming out within two bloody weeks of each other I am going to be strapped for cash around those times.

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                                Posted 25 September 2008 - 02:41 PM

                                I see Gears 2, Fallout 3 or Fable II winning. Fable II only if it manages to live up to the hype it's created.

                                And Peter hasn't been lying.

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                                  Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:19 PM

                                  Peter is always lying.

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                                    Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:55 PM

                                    Metal Gear, Fallout or Gears. Non-conventional shooter ftw.

                                    Oh, and Disgaea SHOULD win.

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                                      Posted 25 September 2008 - 06:30 PM

                                      GTA is pretty much much the only thing that isnt a complete embarassment, 2008 has been a terrible year for gaming

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                                        Posted 25 September 2008 - 06:53 PM

                                        Fable 2 is looking good, but from what I've gathered, the Lionhead has a habit of exaderation.

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                                          Posted 25 September 2008 - 07:16 PM

                                          Rapala Fishing Frenzy, that looks like such an awesome game.
                                          xD

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                                            Posted 25 September 2008 - 07:25 PM

                                            I think that we should at least consider Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour to be on the list. I mean, they've been anticipated for a long time now, and I'm sure that they've got a large fanbase. Plus, they're a lot of fun.

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                                              Posted 25 September 2008 - 07:47 PM

                                              The gaming industry has sunk pretty low huh.

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                                                Posted 25 September 2008 - 07:47 PM

                                                View PostDavid, on Sep 26 2008, 02:25 AM, said:

                                                I think that we should at least consider Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour to be on the list. I mean, they've been anticipated for a long time now, and I'm sure that they've got a large fanbase. Plus, they're a lot of fun.


                                                i think i should point and laugh at you

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                                                  Posted 25 September 2008 - 09:07 PM

                                                  View PostDavid, on Sep 25 2008, 06:25 PM, said:

                                                  I think that we should at least consider Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour to be on the list. I mean, they've been anticipated for a long time now, and I'm sure that they've got a large fanbase. Plus, they're a lot of fun.



                                                  View PostLaharl, on Sep 25 2008, 06:47 PM, said:

                                                  i think i should point and laugh at you

                                                  I agree with Laharl.
                                                  Casual games are not allowed to be GoTY. That would be the end of the ****ing planet.

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                                                    Posted 25 September 2008 - 09:20 PM

                                                    View PostLaharl, on Sep 25 2008, 08:47 PM, said:

                                                    i think i should point and laugh at you


                                                    Well, they meet all of the criteria for being a GOTY -- they have the popularity and the fanbase. I'm not saying that I think they SHOULD be GOTY, but I'm merely saying that they are realistic candidates. Think about how many people there are who devote their lives to Guitar Hero, Rock Band, etc. While I am not one of those people, I do recognize that they exist, and that is all that I am saying.

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                                                      Posted 25 September 2008 - 10:58 PM

                                                      COOKING MAMMA
                                                      WII SPORTS
                                                      WII MUSIC
                                                      SOME RANDOM CARTOON GAME

                                                      Those seem likely to me.. All are casual games, afterall.

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                                                        Posted 25 September 2008 - 11:09 PM

                                                        View PostDavid, on Sep 25 2008, 08:20 PM, said:

                                                        Well, they meet all of the criteria for being a GOTY -- they have the popularity and the fanbase. I'm not saying that I think they SHOULD be GOTY, but I'm merely saying that they are realistic candidates. Think about how many people there are who devote their lives to Guitar Hero, Rock Band, etc. While I am not one of those people, I do recognize that they exist, and that is all that I am saying.

                                                        A game has to be original and great to be game of the year. Last time I checked, Guitar Hero 4 and Rock Band 2 do not bring anything new to gaming.

                                                        Edit: And popularity and fanbase? By your standards of ranking games Halo 3 should've won GoTY last year.

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                                                          Posted 25 September 2008 - 11:48 PM

                                                          View PostDavid, on Sep 25 2008, 08:20 PM, said:

                                                          Well, they meet all of the criteria for being a GOTY -- they have the popularity and the fanbase. I'm not saying that I think they SHOULD be GOTY, but I'm merely saying that they are realistic candidates. Think about how many people there are who devote their lives to Guitar Hero, Rock Band, etc. While I am not one of those people, I do recognize that they exist, and that is all that I am saying.

                                                          You sound like Nintendo. IF THE MASSES LIKE IT, IT MUST BE GOOD.

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                                                            View PostDavid, on Sep 26 2008, 04:20 AM, said:

                                                            Well, they meet all of the criteria for being a GOTY -- they have the popularity and the fanbase.


                                                            never become a game critic.

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                                                              Posted 26 September 2008 - 08:10 AM

                                                              View PostCaael, on Sep 25 2008, 11:19 PM, said:

                                                              Peter is always lying.


                                                              Peter never lied to me. :)

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                                                                Posted 26 September 2008 - 02:31 PM

                                                                Though I doubt it would win official game of the year, I think Mega Man 9 could win downloadable game of the year.

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                                                                  Posted 26 September 2008 - 04:28 PM

                                                                  View PostLaharl, on Sep 26 2008, 02:34 AM, said:

                                                                  kill yourself.

                                                                  Fix'd.

                                                                  View PostBlue, on Sep 26 2008, 01:31 PM, said:

                                                                  Though I doubt it would win official game of the year, I think Mega Man 9 could win downloadable game of the year.

                                                                  For downloadable game of the year I would say Megaman 9, Castle Crashers or Braid.

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                                                                    Posted 26 September 2008 - 04:36 PM

                                                                    Seems we've had a lot of good downloadable games this year.

                                                                    DID PSN GET ANY? NO LOL

                                                                    Anyway, Peter has been surprisingly good about not revealing too much stuff about Fable 2 before release.

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                                                                      Posted 26 September 2008 - 04:37 PM

                                                                      Who the **** is Peter?

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                                                                        Posted 26 September 2008 - 04:40 PM

                                                                        The guy in charge of Fable 2 I think.

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                                                                          Posted 26 September 2008 - 04:40 PM

                                                                          peter molyneaux or something like that.

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                                                                            Posted 26 September 2008 - 05:20 PM

                                                                            Peter Molyneux. Caael was close.

                                                                            Genius guy really, not as genius as Will Wright but still genius. Biggest flaw: over-hype.

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                                                                              Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:28 PM

                                                                              Just pre-ordered Far Cry 2 Special Edition, Fallout 3 Special Edition, Gears of War 2 special edition and Fable 2 standard edition. All for £180. Not bad.

                                                                              So when they arrive, i'll give opinions on GOTY.

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                                                                                Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:30 PM

                                                                                View PostCaael, on Sep 29 2008, 03:28 PM, said:

                                                                                Just pre-ordered Far Cry 2 Special Edition, Fallout 3 Special Edition, Gears of War 2 special edition and Fable 2 standard edition. All for £180. Not bad.

                                                                                So when they arrive, i'll give opinions on GOTY.

                                                                                You've pretty much got the same pre-orders as me.

                                                                                Fallout 3 Special, Gears 2 Special and Fable II Special. Along with Dead Space.

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                                                                                  Posted 30 September 2008 - 12:27 AM

                                                                                  It was either dead space or gears, so i chose gears as every single one of my IRL friends who own 360's are getting it and it'll be great online.

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                                                                                    Posted 30 September 2008 - 09:35 AM

                                                                                    It'll be great! It'll be great!

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                                                                                      Posted 30 September 2008 - 11:23 AM

                                                                                      wtf are you on about tom?

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                                                                                        Posted 04 October 2008 - 08:32 AM

                                                                                        I'm thinking Gears 2 will take Game of the Year. I preordered the LE myself and I'm hopefully gonna preorder Fallout 3 and (maybe) Fable II.

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                                                                                          Posted 04 October 2008 - 05:06 PM

                                                                                          View PostCaael, on Sep 29 2008, 11:27 PM, said:

                                                                                          It was either dead space or gears, so i chose gears as every single one of my IRL friends who own 360's are getting it and it'll be great online.

                                                                                          Rooster Teeth has the first final copy of Dead Space and is going to be doing achievement walkthroughs all week starting Monday on Achievement Hunter.

                                                                                          http://ah.roosterteeth.com/home.php

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                                                                                            Posted 03 November 2008 - 06:39 PM

                                                                                            Necro-bump.

                                                                                            So far from the looks of reviews for Fallout 3, and the one? review of IGN (which I'm still on the border of trusting (Trusting IGN, not the review which was 9.5)) on Gears 2, it looks like one of the two will be GoTY. Fable II possibly in 2nd or 3rd. Mind you, I haven't touched it for like a week.

                                                                                            Speaking of which, how the hell did Halo 3 get in my Gamertag thing?

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                                                                                              Posted 03 November 2008 - 06:49 PM

                                                                                              Spearking of your gamertag thing, why the hell do you have 2 fallouts?

                                                                                              Frankly, i'm mostly dissapointed with the 3 games I was looking forward to this year. Far Cry has crippling gameplay flaws, Fallout is all the same, and Fable is so much less depthful than was promised.

                                                                                              Gears will win it without a dobut; everybody I know who owns a 360 is wanking over that game and i'm going to buy it, but its not going to be the second coming of jesus.

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                                                                                                Posted 03 November 2008 - 06:53 PM

                                                                                                I got it off Steam too. And apparently it works on the same system as Live, like Gears PC (which I can't play cause it's impossible to update) so it counts too.

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                                                                                                  Posted 11 December 2008 - 05:14 PM

                                                                                                  http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/6916...t.html#readmore


                                                                                                  I don't know what to say...

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                                                                                                    Posted 11 December 2008 - 05:22 PM

                                                                                                    Edit: Holy **** that list is bad.

                                                                                                    Best Downloadable Content
                                                                                                    Rock Band 2 - DLC songs


                                                                                                    The hell is this?

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                                                                                                      Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:17 AM

                                                                                                      WHAT?
                                                                                                      SINS GOT BEST RTS?
                                                                                                      ****ing hell. You're right Nos, this is one godawful list.

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                                                                                                        Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:28 AM

                                                                                                        I stopped reading when Fable was GOTY

                                                                                                        Edit: Okay after reading a bit more I feel like punching somebody. Left 4 Dead as best shooter?! Are they ****ing stupid? L4D is good, yeah, but it's not THAT good.

                                                                                                        That list is ****ing bollocks.

                                                                                                        Red Alert 3, as frustrating as it is sometimes, should have got best RTS.

                                                                                                        ****ing stupid people dont know **** about games.

                                                                                                        And GTAIV got best wiring? Are they having a laugh?

                                                                                                        Gears 2 wasn't on there once iirc, which is one of my personal favourite games of the year.

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                                                                                                          Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:33 AM

                                                                                                          I never played "The World Ends With You," but from the gameplay footage, and actually seeing people play it in real life, I'm not impressed. There's got to be other titles more deserving of "Best handheld game" than that.


                                                                                                          The list seriously sucks a fat hairy penis.

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                                                                                                            Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:39 AM

                                                                                                            GTA IV dominated the ratings, why would it be anything else?

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                                                                                                              Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:42 AM

                                                                                                              Have you played it?

                                                                                                              No?

                                                                                                              Then Shush.

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                                                                                                                Posted 12 December 2008 - 02:25 AM

                                                                                                                Doesn't matter, the reviewers are the ones who decide.

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                                                                                                                  Posted 12 December 2008 - 03:18 AM

                                                                                                                  Unfortunantly, half the reviewers on the planet are about as retarded as lobotomized monkeys.

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                                                                                                                    Posted 12 December 2008 - 05:17 AM

                                                                                                                    View PostToasty, on Dec 12 2008, 06:33 PM, said:

                                                                                                                    I never played "The World Ends With You," but from the gameplay footage, and actually seeing people play it in real life, I'm not impressed. There's got to be other titles more deserving of "Best handheld game" than that.

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                                                                                                                    Have you played it?

                                                                                                                    No?

                                                                                                                    Then Shush.


                                                                                                                    TWEWY was an awesome game, I haven't played a handheld RPG that good in a long time, all the FF and Mana games on DS suck compared to it.

                                                                                                                    How did Fable win? I was extremely disapointed when I saw my mate play it, chose to wait for him to finish and borrow rather then buy it.
                                                                                                                    Fallout 3 is good, repetitive but I haven't done the main quests yet.
                                                                                                                    Also still need to start GTA4.

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                                                                                                                      Posted 12 December 2008 - 07:35 AM

                                                                                                                      i didnt realise 'handheld' was a genre, its a platform ****tards.

                                                                                                                      that bull**** epitimizes an exceptionally poor list

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                                                                                                                        Posted 12 December 2008 - 10:56 AM

                                                                                                                        I can't say I expected Fable II to be Game Of The Year, I thought it would be GTA IV. I mean, it has more qualities than just good writing.

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                                                                                                                          Posted 12 December 2008 - 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                          View PostSaturos Striker, on Sep 25 2008, 07:43 PM, said:

                                                                                                                          Fable 2, because it's the reason I'm getting an xbox 360.

                                                                                                                          ...well, my brother is, same thing really.


                                                                                                                          So, I'm going to do the "I was right" dance now.

                                                                                                                          *dances*

                                                                                                                          But seriously, I've played 3 games from that list. Own one, being sins. It's a good game, good fun, not epic or anything. That's why I'm getting RA3.

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                                                                                                                            Posted 12 December 2008 - 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                            View PostSaturos Striker, on Dec 12 2008, 06:52 PM, said:

                                                                                                                            So, I'm going to do the "I was right" dance now.

                                                                                                                            *dances*

                                                                                                                            But seriously, I've played 3 games from that list. Own one, being sins. It's a good game, good fun, not epic or anything. That's why I'm getting RA3.

                                                                                                                            Prepare for dissapointment

                                                                                                                            And Red Alert 3 is best RTS of the year.

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                                                                                                                              Posted 12 December 2008 - 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                              Isnt that bad Tim.

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                                                                                                                                Posted 12 December 2008 - 12:32 PM

                                                                                                                                View PostLegolastom, on Dec 12 2008, 07:26 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                Isnt that bad Tim.

                                                                                                                                Never said it was, but if he brought a 360 entirely for Fable then he'll be disappointed.

                                                                                                                                And get on XBL you dirty mexican.

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                                                                                                                                  Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:10 PM

                                                                                                                                  On that list Fallout 3 got RPG of the Year but then Fable II, also an RPG, won GOTY.

                                                                                                                                  Something's not quite right there...

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                                                                                                                                    Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                                    View PostSomeone Else, on Dec 12 2008, 11:10 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                    On that list Fallout 3 got RPG of the Year but then Fable II, also an RPG, won GOTY.

                                                                                                                                    Something's not quite right there...

                                                                                                                                    Something wicked this way is?

                                                                                                                                    That was horrible.

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                                                                                                                                      Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:29 PM

                                                                                                                                      My point is what they're saying is FO3 is better than Fable II, both are RPGs, but Fable II is the best game of the year.

                                                                                                                                      Also, 2 + 2 = fish

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                                                                                                                                        Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:31 PM

                                                                                                                                        View PostSomeone Else, on Dec 12 2008, 11:29 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                        My point is what they're saying is FO3 is better than Fable II, both are RPGs, but Fable II is the best game of the year.

                                                                                                                                        Also, 2 + 2 = fish

                                                                                                                                        Oh. Gotcha. That made sense.

                                                                                                                                        On a side note, apparently Playstation Home sucks. Test it out when you can WD.

                                                                                                                                        Edit: Also if you didn't read the F3 topic, the G.E.C.K. is out.

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                                                                                                                                          Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:33 PM

                                                                                                                                          Can't. Gotta be 18. I'm not 18 till next month. I've had HOME for a while (my dad got the BETA) and I've watched my dad play. It looks pretty stupid now, but the idea has potential. Maybe it'll get better with time.

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                                                                                                                                            Posted 12 December 2008 - 02:40 PM

                                                                                                                                            View PostCaael, on Dec 12 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                            Never said it was, but if he brought a 360 entirely for Fable then he'll be disappointed.

                                                                                                                                            And get on XBL you dirty mexican.


                                                                                                                                            O, no he actually bought the 360 a while ago for some shooter, I'm guessing GoW 2. I just made him buy Fable 2 as well. So I could play it.

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                                                                                                                                              Posted 12 December 2008 - 02:50 PM

                                                                                                                                              Oh right. Dont set your standards too high. It's good, but not very big.

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                                                                                                                                                View PostSomeone Else, on Dec 13 2008, 06:33 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                Can't. Gotta be 18. I'm not 18 till next month.

                                                                                                                                                You've been on a sub account this whole time?

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                                                                                                                                                  Posted 16 December 2008 - 01:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                  WD. Go nuts on this one.

                                                                                                                                                  http://kotaku.com/5110864/edges-goty-award...e-ok-not-really

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                                                                                                                                                    Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                    They went nuts over LBP in their last issue. I'm not surprised.
                                                                                                                                                    That does remind me that I still need to get the latest issue though.

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                                                                                                                                                      Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                      It was already the first game I'm planning on getting. Good choice, I guess?

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                                                                                                                                                        Posted 16 December 2008 - 07:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                        I ****ing love LBP <33333333

                                                                                                                                                        It's sort of more a virtual community toolbox than a game but it's still fun as hell and innovative. Of course a British magazine would pick a well-known British game but stll...

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                                                                                                                                                          View PostToasty, on Dec 12 2008, 02:33 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                          I never played "The World Ends With You," but from the gameplay footage, and actually seeing people play it in real life, I'm not impressed. There's got to be other titles more deserving of "Best handheld game" than that.
                                                                                                                                                          The list seriously sucks a fat hairy penis.

                                                                                                                                                          Well you fail because TWEWY should have won best handheld. Only better game was CT, and that`s old so it doesn`t count.

                                                                                                                                                          View PostSomeone Else, on Dec 12 2008, 02:33 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                          Can't. Gotta be 18. I'm not 18 till next month. I've had HOME for a while (my dad got the BETA) and I've watched my dad play. It looks pretty stupid now, but the idea has potential. Maybe it'll get better with time.

                                                                                                                                                          If you really were on a sub account like Split says, then you fail. You get to CHOOSE dude...

                                                                                                                                                          PS. I do now realise that this is an old topic. Damn you guys suck.


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