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Light and Dark Elements

#1   Someone Else 

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    Posted 19 June 2009 - 09:55 PM

    My sister told me that Dullahan's dungeon in TLA revealed the existence of the element of Darkness (and Light as well, I think?) I couldn't remember this clearly enough to have any input for that specifically, but I did remember that Golden Sun, TLA in particular, had hinted at there being elements of Light and Darkness. I mean, look...

    http://www.goldensun...sses/dark_mage/
    http://www.goldensun...ses/white_mage/

    But I think introducing two whole new elements will break the lore a bit and throw the balance that exists off. What does everybody else think?

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      Posted 19 June 2009 - 10:09 PM

      I think it'd be pretty easy to just say that those two elements (and their respective djinn, even) were locked away with Alchemy itself, existing only in minute quantities throughout the world before the return of the Lost Age.

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        Posted 19 June 2009 - 10:17 PM

        There were only four elemental stars, and only four elemental lighthouses. Besides that, in medieval lore/alchemy and whatnot, there were traditionally only four elements.


        I think adding two new elements would be kind of interesting, but I don't think it would fit. Probably throw things off like you said.


        However, I'm not opposed to new summons. :D

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          Posted 19 June 2009 - 10:25 PM

          Now that I think about it, it fits if Darkness is represented as a combination of Mercury and Jupiter (elements that represent coldness) and Light a combination of Venus and Mars (warmth and life.)

          Remember how Weyard fell into a coldsnap while the Venus, Mercury, and Jupiter lighthouses were all lit? The elements of water and wind were overpowering earth, and without fire (the Mars Lighthouse) to balance it all the winter was worse than ever. If you think like that it makes sense.

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            Posted 19 June 2009 - 10:26 PM

            They wouldn't be Venus, Mercury, Mars or Jupiter, those are taken. Can't have Earth because that's supposed to be Weyard, Neptune is already a summon and Pluto isn't a planet any more, so that leaves...

            Uranus and Saturn elements? Kickass.

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              Posted 19 June 2009 - 10:30 PM

              Uranus adepts. JOKES AHOY

              I like my theory best.

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                Posted 19 June 2009 - 10:36 PM

                Yeah, me too. =P

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                  Posted 19 June 2009 - 11:13 PM

                  ditto

                  I might switch the roles though. Jupiter and Mercury seem more like "Light" elements than Fire and Earth to me.

                  I mean, look at it this way. You know the two summons, Haures and Eclipse? Haures is supposed to be something out of hell, and Eclipse is some kind of sky dragon thing. Haures is summoned with earth and fire djinn, and Eclipse is summoned with Mercury and Jupiter djinn.

                  Besides, the psynergies "Condemn" "Curse" and "haunt" are all Venus based.


                  [EDIT]Funny how Mercury is the hottest planet in our solar system, yet it's considered the "Water Element".

                  At least in GoldenSun anyway.

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                      Posted 20 June 2009 - 07:38 AM

                    Actually Venus is the hottest planet due to the greenhouse effect of its thick, choking atmosphere. So of course Venus is the element of kind, nurturing life. And acid rain...

                    I don't really have a problem with light and dark specialized classes, but yeah, light and dark djinni would throw a pretty big wrench into the class mechanics.

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                      Posted 20 June 2009 - 08:24 PM

                      If there was going to be Light and Dark based adepts, they would be named after the Sun and Moon. Sol and Luna.

                      Just my opinion.

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                        Posted 20 June 2009 - 08:49 PM

                        But the Sol Blade is aligned with Venus...

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                          Posted 21 June 2009 - 12:09 AM

                          I could maybe see there being psynergetic spells of dark and light alignment that are neutral against the other four, but not really much of anything beyond that. I think I have too much faith in Camelot and Nintendo. Stupid me.

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                            Posted 22 June 2009 - 09:02 PM

                            I think you're onto something. There's more that goes along with it, too.

                            Sol Sanctum: Not only the whole luna and sol puzzle, but Sol was obviously the guardian of the Sun = light. Simple.

                            Then we have Anemos sanctum as well. Anemos were wind gods who had command of each cardinal direction, which corresponded with a season or element. But it was said that Anemos floated away and became a moon. Why would they choose Wind to be the guardian of the elements? (Remember, you have to have all the elemental djinn to get in) I may be reading into this too much, but if you're right about the light and dark thing, I think Anemos will be coming into the picture.

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                              Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:16 PM

                              Having 'Light' and 'Dark' elements would add a whole new dimension, but one that I think might be more complex than it's worth. Would there be Djinn for these elements? How would the classes change (as you now would have a combination of six (!) unique elements for each character)?

                              I could see it along with PDM's suggestion of Light/Dark being neutral compared to the other four, but the mechanics of which would be difficult to implement.

                              Interesting to consider all the same.


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