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Nintendo Reveals Legend of Zelda Timeline

#1   Someone Else 

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    Posted 14 July 2009 - 12:44 AM

    There is none.

    Part of me just died. Pardon me as I kill the rest.

    Well, not really. And yet... I feel a little empty.

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      Posted 14 July 2009 - 01:35 AM

      The guy who made that video is obsessed. And not in a good way.

      Personally though, I think Nintendo should make a timeline, a canon if you will, for the Zelda series. Wouldn't be a bad idea. Heck, the guy's theory even makes pretty good sense.


      But, I can see where they're going with this, and it's not bad either. Though it doesn't help their case when they make direct sequels to some of the Zelda games.

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        Posted 14 July 2009 - 01:50 AM

        I thought everybody knew this. I've known Zelda had no timeline for ages.

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          Posted 14 July 2009 - 01:58 AM

          I could swear Ocarina/Majora's Mask was supposed to be connected to Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass at least.

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            Posted 14 July 2009 - 04:28 AM

            Does this even matter in the slightest?

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              Posted 14 July 2009 - 05:08 AM

              ^Good point.
              All you can really do between the games is pick links (subtle puns ftw) rather than make a specific timeline for all the games.

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                Posted 14 July 2009 - 09:03 AM

                I`ve seen a timeline that seems to fit; it breaks off into two paths, so uh, **** nintendo.

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                  Posted 14 July 2009 - 11:45 AM

                  A time line only exists if Nintendo says it does and Miyamoto and the guys making Zelda really dont give a ****, which should have been evident by now.

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                    Posted 14 July 2009 - 02:33 PM

                    Maybe they'll set the next one in space just to piss the fans off.

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                      Posted 14 July 2009 - 04:53 PM

                      Eh, I suspected this for awhile now, but it was still fun to speculate. One internet debate down... too many more to go.

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                        Posted 14 July 2009 - 07:59 PM

                        I liked the idea of some continuity in the games because, for me, it added more depth to the series. In the end, it doesn't matter too much, but the idea Nintendo pulls each separate story out their ass makes it look so much more shallow.

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                          Posted 15 July 2009 - 12:41 AM

                          So then if there's no way to tie the series together chronologically, should we look to a multiverse theory?

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                            Posted 15 July 2009 - 01:43 AM

                            I call bull****.

                            Wasnt the OoT Link referanced in TP? **** you Nintendo, as inconsistent as catholicism. Your systems are like that too...

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                              Posted 15 July 2009 - 02:45 AM

                              It seems that you are all far more bothered by this than I am.

                              Chill out.

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                                Posted 15 July 2009 - 03:49 AM

                                even if there was a timeline, it certainly wouldnt pardon the massive disappointment the series has been for however many years now

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                                  Posted 15 July 2009 - 05:10 AM

                                  Laharl speaks the complete and utter truth. There are SOOOO many things that should be taken care of about the franchise that this stupid timeline **** doesn't even matter.

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                                    Posted 15 July 2009 - 05:22 AM

                                    View PostLaharl, on Jul 15 2009, 02:49 AM, said:

                                    even if there was a timeline, it certainly wouldnt pardon the massive disappointment the series has been for however many years now

                                    Thanks, that was much better said. XD

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                                      Posted 15 July 2009 - 09:24 AM

                                      View PostG-DUB 3000, on Jul 15 2009, 04:45 AM, said:

                                      It seems that you are all far more bothered by this than I am.

                                      Chill out.

                                      i just hate nintendo as of late; any chance to rag on them is one ill take.

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                                        Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:06 AM

                                        Ironically Nintendo are more successful than they have been in years but their fans hate them more than ever.

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                                          Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:14 AM

                                          people hate other people with money.

                                          also nintendo hasn`t put out a TOP OF THE LINE system since the SNES (handhels excluded). The N64 was the beginning of the end, the Gamecube left them limping and the Wii slaughtered their ****; in a fan appreciation way, they`re rich as all ****.

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                                            Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:14 AM

                                            The **** you talking about, the N64 and GC were awesome. I'm not talking about comercial success but both of them had brilliant games.

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                                              Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:18 AM

                                              I've noticed people are saying the series has been poor for the last few years. I don't feel the same way. It's not been quite as good as in the past, but they're still making pretty good games compared to some of the junk out there. I liked Wind Waker and I thought Twilight Princess was great (apart from the wolf sections which were more... meh). The only real disappointment for me was Phantom Hourglass, where the main dungeon was like the crappiest stealth game ever.

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                                                Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:25 AM

                                                View PostCaael, on Jul 15 2009, 12:14 PM, said:

                                                The **** you talking about, the N64 and GC were awesome. I'm not talking about comercial success but both of them had brilliant games.

                                                The N64 had some great games, but it was clearly lacking the library the PS1 had, and it WAS a step in the wrong direction.

                                                And name ten must buys on the GC. Not gonna happen.

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                                                  Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:27 AM

                                                  Erm

                                                  Smash Bros
                                                  Goldeneye
                                                  Ocarina of Time
                                                  Majoras Mask
                                                  Super Mario 64
                                                  Banjo Kazooie
                                                  Banjo Tooie
                                                  Mario Kart 64
                                                  Perfect Dark
                                                  F-Zero

                                                  O wait thought you said N64. Gimme a sec.

                                                  Tales Of Symphonia
                                                  Mario Sunshine
                                                  Smash Bros Melee
                                                  Timesplitters 3 (Not exclusive :))
                                                  Metroid Prime
                                                  I'd like to say Wind Waker but people will disagree
                                                  Uhh...

                                                  Yeah you have a point. But still, it had some good games that I still feel like going back and playing to this day :P

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                                                    Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:29 AM

                                                    When I had my GC, the majority of games that I had were not memorable. Only Symphonia, Paper Mario, Twilight Princess and Wind Waker really stand out when I think about it. I'd definitely agree with Skidz.
                                                    EDIT: He said GC games Caael...

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                                                      Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:33 AM

                                                      View PostCaael, on Jul 15 2009, 12:27 PM, said:

                                                      Erm

                                                      Smash Bros
                                                      Goldeneye
                                                      Ocarina of Time
                                                      Majoras Mask
                                                      Super Mario 64
                                                      Banjo Kazooie
                                                      Banjo Tooie
                                                      Mario Kart 64
                                                      Perfect Dark
                                                      F-Zero

                                                      O wait thought you said N64. Gimme a sec.

                                                      Mario Sunshine
                                                      Smash Bros Melee
                                                      Timesplitters 3 (Not exclusive :))
                                                      Metroid Prime
                                                      I'd like to say Wind Waker but people will disagree
                                                      Uhh...

                                                      Yeah you have a point. But still, it had some good games that I still feel like going back and playing to this day :P

                                                      I ALMOST had to smack you there Caael, almost :P

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                                                        Posted 15 July 2009 - 12:16 PM

                                                        i remember Okami....

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                                                          Posted 15 July 2009 - 01:22 PM

                                                          Not on Gamecube.

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                                                            Posted 15 July 2009 - 01:47 PM

                                                            View PostBlue, on Jul 14 2009, 06:53 PM, said:

                                                            Eh, I suspected this for awhile now, but it was still fun to speculate.

                                                            View PostSomeone Else, on Jul 14 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

                                                            I liked the idea of some continuity in the games because, for me, it added more depth to the series. In the end, it doesn't matter too much, but the idea Nintendo pulls each separate story out their ass makes it look so much more shallow.

                                                            View PostLaharl, on Jul 15 2009, 05:49 AM, said:

                                                            even if there was a timeline, it certainly wouldnt pardon the massive disappointment the series has been for however many years now

                                                            These posts sum up my view.

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                                                              Posted 15 July 2009 - 01:48 PM

                                                              View PostLaharl, on Jul 15 2009, 02:16 PM, said:

                                                              i remember Okami....



                                                              View PostLegolastom, on Jul 15 2009, 03:22 PM, said:

                                                              Not on Gamecube.


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                                                                Posted 15 July 2009 - 02:42 PM

                                                                View PostLegolastom, on Jul 15 2009, 08:22 PM, said:

                                                                Not on Gamecube.


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                                                                  Posted 15 July 2009 - 05:53 PM

                                                                  View PostDrizzy Drake, on Jul 15 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

                                                                  The N64 had some great games, but it was clearly lacking the library the PS1 had, and it WAS a step in the wrong direction.

                                                                  And name ten must buys on the GC. Not gonna happen.


                                                                  Paper Mario: TTYD
                                                                  SSBM
                                                                  Wind Waker
                                                                  Metroid Prime
                                                                  Metroid Prime 2
                                                                  NFS: Most Wanted
                                                                  FE: Path of Radiance
                                                                  Kirby Air Ride (though some of the reviews unfairly criticized it as a kiddie's game)
                                                                  Super Mario Sunshine
                                                                  F-Zero GX
                                                                  Luigi's Mansion
                                                                  Pikmin
                                                                  Pikmin 2
                                                                  Soul Calibur II (I didn't really like it, but a lot of other people did)
                                                                  StarWars: RS2: Rouge Leader
                                                                  Super Mokey Ball 2
                                                                  Tales of Symphonia

                                                                  I'm sure there's more, but I threw in more than 10 because I'm sure there's a number of titles in that list that you'll say aren't good enough to buy.

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                                                                    Posted 15 July 2009 - 06:47 PM

                                                                    View PostToasty, on Jul 15 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

                                                                    Paper Mario: TTYD
                                                                    SSBM
                                                                    Wind Waker
                                                                    Metroid Prime
                                                                    Metroid Prime 2
                                                                    NFS: Most Wanted
                                                                    FE: Path of Radiance
                                                                    Kirby Air Ride (though some of the reviews unfairly criticized it as a kiddie's game)
                                                                    Super Mario Sunshine
                                                                    F-Zero GX
                                                                    Luigi's Mansion
                                                                    Pikmin
                                                                    Pikmin 2
                                                                    Soul Calibur II (I didn't really like it, but a lot of other people did) not exclusive
                                                                    StarWars: RS2: Rouge Leader meh, ill bend on this
                                                                    Super Mokey Ball 2
                                                                    Tales of Symphonia

                                                                    I'm sure there's more, but I threw in more than 10 because I'm sure there's a number of titles in that list that you'll say aren't good enough to buy.

                                                                    and even most of the ones i left aren`t touching the ps2`s must buys

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                                                                      Posted 15 July 2009 - 07:08 PM

                                                                      Still, 9 is only one away from the ten you asked for. =P

                                                                      I can agree with most of your cuts, but I would still consider WW and SMB2 to be must buys as they were both really entertaining games. Same goes for Kirby Air Ride, and most of my friends like it as well, but I can agree that it's not really a must buy.

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                                                                        Posted 15 July 2009 - 07:32 PM

                                                                        Okay now by comparison

                                                                        .hack//G.U. Vol. 1//Rebirth
                                                                        .hack//G.U. Vol. 2//Reminisce
                                                                        .hack//G.U. Vol. 3//Redemption
                                                                        .hack Part 1: Infection
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                                                                        .hack Part 3: Outbreak
                                                                        .hack Part 4: Quarantine
                                                                        Dark Cloud
                                                                        Dark Cloud 2
                                                                        Disgaea
                                                                        Disgaea 2
                                                                        Final Fantasy 10
                                                                        Final Fantasy 12
                                                                        Grandia 3
                                                                        Kingdom Hearts
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                                                                        Marvel Vs. Capcom 2
                                                                        Persona 3
                                                                        Persona 3 FES
                                                                        Persona 4
                                                                        Valkyrie Profile 2
                                                                        Xenosaga
                                                                        Gran Turismo 3
                                                                        God Of War
                                                                        God Of War 2
                                                                        Rachet And Clank
                                                                        Jak And Daxter
                                                                        Jak 2
                                                                        Jak 3
                                                                        Devil May Cry
                                                                        DMC 2
                                                                        DMC 3
                                                                        Soul Caliber 3
                                                                        Yakuza
                                                                        Metal Gear Solid 3
                                                                        Tales Of Destiny 2
                                                                        Guilty Gear XX: Accent Core Plus
                                                                        Guitar Hero
                                                                        Socom 1
                                                                        Socom 2
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                                                                        and apperently Tales Of Symphonia is on PS2 so 8 kid
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                                                                          Posted 15 July 2009 - 08:20 PM

                                                                          Mario sunshine and wind waker being crossed off?

                                                                          **** YOU!

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                                                                            Posted 15 July 2009 - 10:53 PM

                                                                            This is a topic about the Zelda timeline and lack thereof, not another system wars thread.

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                                                                              Posted 16 July 2009 - 03:00 AM

                                                                              Not surprising. I've thought about it a few times, but it's always been pretty clear to me that they don't have a timeline to it and just revisit the concept in new and interesting ways each time. The only times they tie something into a storyline is when they think the plot benefits from the context of previous titles, or when they want to revisit the concepts they had in a previous game.

                                                                              eg. wind waker and twilight princess both refer back to oot, but they don't fit into a perfect timeline. The games kinda work under the assumption that if it is a single world on a timeline, all these events happen so far apart that they occur in isolation. If the events of a previous game did occur in the same universe, they were so long ago that they have faded into legends about a hero and an embodyment of evil.

                                                                              That's all they do each game. They create a new hero and new nemesis in the same image and just do something new and inventive with the circumstances of their conflict.

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                                                                                Posted 16 July 2009 - 10:12 AM

                                                                                View PostNeon, on Jul 16 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

                                                                                Not surprising. I've thought about it a few times, but it's always been pretty clear to me that they don't have a timeline to it and just revisit the concept in new and interesting ways each time. The only times they tie something into a storyline is when they think the plot benefits from the context of previous titles, or when they want to revisit the concepts they had in a previous game.

                                                                                eg. wind waker and twilight princess both refer back to oot, but they don't fit into a perfect timeline. The games kinda work under the assumption that if it is a single world on a timeline, all these events happen so far apart that they occur in isolation. If the events of a previous game did occur in the same universe, they were so long ago that they have faded into legends about a hero and an embodyment of evil.

                                                                                That's all they do each game. They create a new hero and new nemesis in the same image and just do something new and inventive with the circumstances of their conflict.



                                                                                I lol'd

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                                                                                  Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:03 PM

                                                                                  I also lol'd. It is a very lolable sentence.

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                                                                                    Posted 16 July 2009 - 03:26 PM

                                                                                    ****ing fanboyism ftl.

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                                                                                      Posted 16 July 2009 - 04:09 PM

                                                                                      View PostAquamarine, on Jul 16 2009, 09:03 PM, said:

                                                                                      I also lol'd. It is a very lolable sentence.


                                                                                      I imagine this is how they came up with Spirit tracks

                                                                                      Reggie Fils-Aime: C'mon guys we need ideas for this new zelda to cash in on...throw ideas at me, anything
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                                                                                        Posted 16 July 2009 - 04:56 PM

                                                                                        I think you are twisting his point. Neon is saying that there is a specific "theme" to each game that becomes the focus of that new Zelda. They create a world and plotline around said theme (i.e. oceans/sailing in Wind Waker) and that carries it through the new "conflict", which has little to do with past games in the series (the point of this topic, that there is no timeline).

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                                                                                          Posted 18 July 2009 - 04:10 AM

                                                                                          View PostCaael, on Jul 16 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

                                                                                          I lol'd

                                                                                          yeah, I thought it was kinda amusing but kept it in anyway :). The games are different enough, with each one having a new gameplay mechanic/theme, but yeah, the series has become pretty stagnant.


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