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    Posted 03 January 2010 - 04:38 AM

    Just saw the movie today. I have to admit, it was pretty nice to watch something fairly original for a change.

    Though I was a bit skeptical at first, upon watching it, I came to the realization that it was like the perfect mix of action, adventure, humor, and deduction.


    I laughed a few times. I also want to know what kind of martial art Watson and Holmes were using.

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        Posted 04 January 2010 - 09:45 AM

      That movie was pimp with a side of pimp and extra pimpsauce. I loved how Watson would watch all the fancy fung-fu fighting and be like "Fuck that noise, I brought a gun." He wasn't too handy with it. I think he went to the imperial stormtrooper marksmanship school. At least he had the sense to bring and use a gun though. Also saying that he'd rather not fight immediately before beating the crap out of two guys. Good stuff. Holmes himself was much less demure and reserved than in the literature. Much more on the batshit motha-fuckin' insane end of the spectrum, but it worked. Also, certainly original. Nice to see a film without a number at the end of the title. They did have to make a few jack-of-all-trades concessions to have mass-appeal, but any film that wants to make money does.

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        Posted 04 January 2010 - 07:52 PM

        I enjoyed Watson's character a lot more in this movie. In all other references, he's usually portrayed as Holmes' lacky who occasionally says something of profound significance. Which, of course, Holmes had already thought of. I also find that he's also often portrayed as being fat.

        This was a refreshing change for the better, in my opinion.

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          Posted 05 January 2010 - 05:12 PM

          View PostToasty, on Jan 3 2010, 11:38 AM, said:

          Just saw the movie today. I have to admit, it was pretty nice to watch something fairly original for a change.

          Though I was a bit skeptical at first, upon watching it, I came to the realization that it was like the perfect mix of action, adventure, humor, and deduction.


          I laughed a few times. I also want to know what kind of martial art Watson and Holmes were using.


          It's a nigh concept, what you talking about original?

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            Posted 06 January 2010 - 01:16 AM

            More original than Avatar. By a lot.

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              Posted 06 January 2010 - 01:27 AM

              View PostToasty, on Jan 4 2010, 05:52 PM, said:

              I enjoyed Watson's character a lot more in this movie. In all other references, he's usually portrayed as Holmes' lacky who occasionally says something of profound significance. Which, of course, Holmes had already thought of. I also find that he's also often portrayed as being fat.

              This was a refreshing change for the better, in my opinion.

              Watson never got any respect : (

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                Posted 06 January 2010 - 06:29 AM

                View PostToasty, on Jan 6 2010, 08:16 AM, said:

                More original than Avatar. By a lot.


                You've yet to prove that you've even seen Avatar. So this is a moot point.

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                  Posted 07 January 2010 - 12:57 AM

                  Have you seen Sherlock Holmes?

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                    Posted 07 January 2010 - 01:39 AM

                    O snap.

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                      Posted 07 January 2010 - 09:00 AM

                      View PostToasty, on Jan 7 2010, 07:57 AM, said:

                      Have you seen Sherlock Holmes?


                      No, but the difference is that I'm not claiming that it's good or bad. I've yet to form a valued judgement on it because I haven't seen it.

                      Could you at least pretend to know about film before trying to make me look stupid?

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                        Posted 07 January 2010 - 09:09 AM

                        Tim is doing film studies, that's why he is acting like a prick btw.

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                          Posted 07 January 2010 - 12:41 PM

                          Well I'm sorry if it comes across that way, but Toasty needs to be put down into place when he thinks his opinion is superior to others.

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                            Posted 07 January 2010 - 03:15 PM

                            Sherlock Holmes was pretty good, nothing amazing. I like Watson's character a lot more than the bumbling comic relief character he usually is.

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                              Posted 09 January 2010 - 04:50 AM

                              View PostCaael, on Jan 7 2010, 10:41 AM, said:

                              Well I'm sorry if it comes across that way, but Toasty needs to be put down into place when he thinks his opinion is superior to others.


                              My opinion is superior because Cameron is just out to try and prove that his cawk is bigger than George Lucas's.

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                                Posted 09 January 2010 - 06:35 AM

                                View PostToasty, on Jan 9 2010, 02:50 AM, said:

                                My opinion is superior because Cameron is just out to try and prove that his cawk is bigger than George Lucas's.

                                Maybe you're taking his quote out of context? Perhaps the way he said he wanted Avatar to be bigger and better than Star Wars wasn't an ego stroke? Perhaps the image in his head seemed so great to him that something could 'finally be better than SW!' or something along those lines. Your whole basis of why avatar is bad is because an unoriginal plot (a problem with every story since the 1800s..) and that he thinks he's better than George Lucas. I think you should go see the movie with an open mind and find out what you think of the movie.

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                                  Posted 09 January 2010 - 01:07 PM

                                  View PostCaptain Cannabis, on Jan 9 2010, 01:35 PM, said:

                                  Maybe you're taking his quote out of context? Perhaps the way he said he wanted Avatar to be bigger and better than Star Wars wasn't an ego stroke? Perhaps the image in his head seemed so great to him that something could 'finally be better than SW!' or something along those lines. Your whole basis of why avatar is bad is because an unoriginal plot (a problem with every story since the 1800s..) and that he thinks he's better than George Lucas. I think you should go see the movie with an open mind and find out what you think of the movie.


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                                    Posted 10 January 2010 - 10:18 PM

                                    View PostCaptain Cannabis, on Jan 9 2010, 04:35 AM, said:

                                    Maybe you're taking his quote out of context? Perhaps the way he said he wanted Avatar to be bigger and better than Star Wars wasn't an ego stroke? Perhaps the image in his head seemed so great to him that something could 'finally be better than SW!' or something along those lines. Your whole basis of why avatar is bad is because an unoriginal plot (a problem with every story since the 1800s..) and that he thinks he's better than George Lucas. I think you should go see the movie with an open mind and find out what you think of the movie.


                                    To start off, he got his idea before Starwars came out in the first place. He said he was kicking himself over it because he had "a similar idea" that he felt could've made it big too.
                                    His whole reason for getting into the film industry in the first place, was to upstage Lucas. He's said it himself (albeit in different words) many times before.

                                    He may have originally wanted to make Avatar because he thought it was a good idea, but over time, I think it's become quite clear that his goals have become selfish and conceded.

                                    Not to mention his idea has been overused to DEATH more than a thousand times already.


                                    Seriously. If Hollywood was a first person shooter, that idea would've gotten the "glutton for headshots" medal a long time ago.

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                                      Posted 11 January 2010 - 01:46 AM

                                      View PostToasty, on Jan 11 2010, 05:18 AM, said:

                                      To start off, he got his idea before Starwars came out in the first place. He said he was kicking himself over it because he had "a similar idea" that he felt could've made it big too.
                                      His whole reason for getting into the film industry in the first place, was to upstage Lucas. He's said it himself (albeit in different words) many times before.

                                      He may have originally wanted to make Avatar because he thought it was a good idea, but over time, I think it's become quite clear that his goals have become selfish and conceded.

                                      Not to mention his idea has been overused to DEATH more than a thousand times already.


                                      Seriously. If Hollywood was a first person shooter, that idea would've gotten the "glutton for headshots" medal a long time ago.


                                      And there's a problem with being ambitious?

                                      There's no point reasoning with shallow minded people such as yourself. Enjoy watching technologically inferior and boring films.

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                                        Posted 11 January 2010 - 10:16 PM

                                        Technologically inferior? Of course. Boring? No. Ingenious and original? Absolutely.

                                        You just have a poor taste in films.

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                                          Posted 12 January 2010 - 01:32 AM

                                          View PostToasty, on Jan 12 2010, 05:16 AM, said:

                                          Technologically inferior? Of course. Boring? No. Ingenious and original? Absolutely.

                                          You just have a poor taste in films.


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                                          Oh Toasty you do make me laugh. If you honestly think I have poor taste in films....well that's just funny.

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                                            Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:33 AM

                                            View PostToasty, on Jan 11 2010, 08:16 PM, said:

                                            Technologically inferior? Of course. Boring? No. Ingenious and original? Absolutely.

                                            You just have a poor taste in films.

                                            Where?

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                                              Posted 12 January 2010 - 04:46 AM

                                              View PostCaael, on Jan 11 2010, 11:32 PM, said:

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                                              Oh Toasty you do make me laugh. If you honestly think I have poor taste in films....well that's just funny.


                                              If you think Avatar deserves film of the year just for looking good, then yeah, I'd say you do.


                                              But then again, you're taking a film class, so of COURSE you would have good taste in movies! I mean, you're actually STUDYING them! Why didn't I think of that before?
                                              ¯\(-3-)/¯

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                                                Posted 12 January 2010 - 09:46 AM

                                                View PostToasty, on Jan 12 2010, 11:46 AM, said:

                                                If you think Avatar deserves film of the year just for looking good, then yeah, I'd say you do.


                                                But then again, you're taking a film class, so of COURSE you would have good taste in movies! I mean, you're actually STUDYING them! Why didn't I think of that before?
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                                                Get back to me when you've seen Guillermo Del Toro's entire collection and we'll continue this discussion about what films are good or not because you're clearly deluded.

                                                I'd say something about you claiming avatar to be bad without seeing it, but you dont seem to understand the concept of 'balanced view' so I'll just leave it.

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                                                  Posted 15 January 2010 - 03:14 AM

                                                  I like how everyone thinks that what they like is best.

                                                  I really enjoyed Sherlock Holmes, for once it wasn't overhyped and while it made some concessions to appeal to such a wide audience, it was still really fun and funny while I'm told it kept trueish to the novels.

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                                                    Posted 15 January 2010 - 05:26 AM

                                                    View PostMy Best Wishes, on Jan 15 2010, 10:14 AM, said:

                                                    I like how everyone thinks that what they like is best.

                                                    I really enjoyed Sherlock Holmes, for once it wasn't overhyped and while it made some concessions to appeal to such a wide audience, it was still really fun and funny while I'm told it kept trueish to the novels.


                                                    There's a difference between not noticing hype and something not having hype. Sherlock Holmes has had LOADS over here, if only for the Jude Law and Robert Downey Jr. factor. Dont know if its different in Aus.

                                                    And as for your first point, I'm just trying to prove Toasty wrong.

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                                                      Posted 15 January 2010 - 05:29 AM

                                                      Trying to prove that someone has poor judgement when it comes to movies, when your taste in movies is horrible to begin with, is quite a difficult task.

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                                                        Posted 15 January 2010 - 08:36 AM

                                                        View PostToasty, on Jan 15 2010, 12:29 PM, said:

                                                        Trying to prove that someone has poor judgement when it comes to movies, when your taste in movies is horrible to begin with, is quite a difficult task.


                                                        Not only are you judging my entire taste in movies on the fact that I enjoyed ONE recent film, a film that you have NOT seen and therefore cannot form a balanced judgement on, but you're also assuming I was ever debating which films are good or not in the first place.

                                                        I dont know if you've noticed, but I'm pretty sure I've not criticised your taste in movies once. The only point I have been trying to make is that you CANNOT form a judgement on a film without even SEEING it in the first place. You have absolutely NOTHING to back up your claims at all; your single point is "the plot is bad so the movie must be terrible. And because somebody enjoyed it, I'm going to judge their entire taste in film based on this one film"

                                                        Just look at what you're saying Toasty.

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                                                          Posted 15 January 2010 - 09:59 AM

                                                          View PostMy Best Wishes, on Jan 15 2010, 01:14 AM, said:

                                                          I like how everyone thinks that what they like is best.

                                                          I really enjoy Modern Warfare 2, for once it wasn't an overhyped game and while it made some really dumb changes from the already questionable original game, it is still GotY while I'm told IWNet was a great idea.

                                                          it's great how interchangable your posts are :B

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                                                            Posted 15 January 2010 - 05:47 PM

                                                            View PostCaael, on Jan 15 2010, 10:26 PM, said:

                                                            There's a difference between not noticing hype and something not having hype. Sherlock Holmes has had LOADS over here, if only for the Jude Law and Robert Downey Jr. factor. Dont know if its different in Aus.

                                                            And as for your first point, I'm just trying to prove Toasty wrong.

                                                            I wouldn't say the previews and all that didn't get airtime down here but compared to Avatar or when Terminator 4 came out there wasn't as much. On the hype though I can say that I saw a Zombieland trailer at least 10 times a week at the gym and on TV and I still saw it twice at the movies, probably the funniest movie I've seen since Death at a Funeral, and as well as the hype I created in my mind, it surpassed all of it.

                                                            View PostCaptain Cannabis, on Jan 16 2010, 02:59 AM, said:

                                                            it's great how interchangable your posts are :B

                                                            <_<
                                                            This just goes back to Caael's point. I'm sure there was massive hype around MW2, but considering this is the only gamesite/forum I visit, all the hype for MW2 I experienced was built in my mind, and it didn't disappoint.
                                                            I'll bite though, what questionable changes? And I dunno what IWNet is, must be for you PC users.

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                                                              Posted 15 January 2010 - 06:50 PM

                                                              View PostCaael, on Jan 15 2010, 06:36 AM, said:

                                                              Not only are you judging my entire taste in movies on the fact that I enjoyed ONE recent film, a film that you have NOT seen and therefore cannot form a balanced judgement on, but you're also assuming I was ever debating which films are good or not in the first place.

                                                              I dont know if you've noticed, but I'm pretty sure I've not criticised your taste in movies once. The only point I have been trying to make is that you CANNOT form a judgement on a film without even SEEING it in the first place. You have absolutely NOTHING to back up your claims at all; your single point is "the plot is bad so the movie must be terrible. And because somebody enjoyed it, I'm going to judge their entire taste in film based on this one film"

                                                              Just look at what you're saying Toasty.



                                                              I think you're misunderstanding me.

                                                              Your taste is poor not because you liked Avatar, but because you think it's good enough to be the movie of the year.

                                                              It's like saying Halo 3 or GoW 2 ever deserved GotY. It's the same thing.

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                                                                Posted 15 January 2010 - 07:48 PM

                                                                View PostToasty, on Jan 16 2010, 01:50 AM, said:

                                                                I think you're misunderstanding me.

                                                                Your taste is poor not because you liked Avatar, but because you think it's good enough to be the movie of the year.

                                                                It's like saying Halo 3 or GoW 2 ever deserved GotY. It's the same thing.



                                                                Toasty, please go and watch Avatar. Then, realise that "movie of the year" only counts for movies I had actually seen in 2009. Which was about 5. If you had seen the other 4 movies not including Avatar, you would agree that it was movie of the year.

                                                                I'm just glad your post just now actually some degree of understanding to it.

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                                                                  Posted 15 January 2010 - 09:43 PM

                                                                  Is Sherlock Holmes an adaptation of one of the novels, or a new plot based on the same characters and universe?

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                                                                    Posted 15 January 2010 - 09:47 PM

                                                                    I haven't read any of the novels but I'm pretty sure its a new plot, but in a way a prequel to the books because they introduce the character Professor Moriarty at the end.

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                                                                      Posted 15 January 2010 - 10:09 PM

                                                                      I see. That's good to know, thanks. I'm hoping it's still in theaters, hoping to watch it this weekend.

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                                                                        Posted 15 January 2010 - 11:02 PM

                                                                        So uh I want to see this movie and I think it'll be good.

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                                                                          Posted 17 January 2010 - 09:36 PM

                                                                          Damn fine movie, too bad I seem to have bad luck with theaters. 2 of every 3 movies I end up sitting next to rude people. :C

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                                                                            Posted 18 January 2010 - 02:34 AM

                                                                            View PostGolden Legacy, on Jan 16 2010, 03:43 AM, said:

                                                                            Is Sherlock Holmes an adaptation of one of the novels, or a new plot based on the same characters and universe?


                                                                            did you honestly just ask that? Arthur Conan Doyle's ghost is going to haunt you, well it will when its finished turning in its grave because of this crock of shit of a film

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                                                                              Posted 18 January 2010 - 03:59 AM

                                                                              Have you seen it?

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                                                                                Posted 18 January 2010 - 06:16 AM

                                                                                yes i have, were you hoping for a no to void my opinion?

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                                                                                  Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:12 AM

                                                                                  No, I don't need that to void your opinion :joy:
                                                                                  Why didn't you like it, and would you have preferred it to be just like one of the stories? Watson being nothing really but a secondary character, none of the humor, and Holmes not being broken?

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                                                                                    Posted 19 January 2010 - 05:33 AM

                                                                                    it makes Sherlock Holmes into something it isnt; see also Van Helsing, Troy etc

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                                                                                      Posted 20 January 2010 - 12:00 AM

                                                                                      Dude it's Hollywood, see 300.


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