[ThankMeLater]

Toasty, I have a question for you. Or any catholics for that matter. If God really did flood the world, how is it that ancient civilizations such as that of Mesopotamia and Egypt continued to live on and flourish during and after the time of the flood?

not random religion hate, just seen this and it made me laugh, as they have not a single ounce of proof. also, multiple claims have been made towards noah's ark over the years, and all have been proven false.

also, the fact that dude said "it's not 100%, but it's 99% noah's ark" means he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. he did no scientific research-- they simply found the boat, and since he believes it's noah's ark, he says it's 99%.

Hey guys, I'm not 100% sure that I was JFK in another life, but I'm 99% sure. Where in the fuck did I get that statistic from?

[Caael]

I'm pretty sure all the bible stories are metaphorical, or at least exaggerated in the name of metaphors.

[ThankMeLater]

Naw, all the believable Bible stories are stated as real, but the second someone finds a flaw in one, they'll go "it's a metaphor".

[Caael]

I'm pretty sure nobody see's them as actual events, apart from kids who are taught otherwise at a young age.

[ThankMeLater]

No, I'm pretty sure they see them as actual events.

[Mallick]

ThankMeLater, on Apr 28 2010, 12:49 PM, said:

No, I'm pretty sure they see them as actual events.

I think you're wrong. Besides.. trying to argue with a christian is almost as stupid as being.

[ThankMeLater]

I dont think I am. Time and time again have I heard people state the Bible is real, UNTIL shit like the Flood, and impossible miracles are pointed out, and only then is the metaphor card played.

Fuck that, they can't have it both ways. Either Jesus didn't do a single special thing, and the Flood didn't happen, or Jesus DID do miracles, and the Flood did happen. But the Flood CANT have happened, as like I said, many civilizations thrived through and after the time the Flood supposedly took place.

And fuck, I've had arguments HERE with Toasty about whether the Bible is real, and he stated it was, and I stated how retarded that is as it was written over thousands of years by different people.

[Mallick]

My last post was only two sentences. Did you stop reading after the first one?

[ThankMeLater]

Me arguing with Toasty being stupid doesn't negate the fact that he thinks it's real...

[Lightning Star]

Not to...jump on their side. But is it possible that such civilizations were built *after* the flood?

Just...a possibility?

[Mallick]

ThankMeLater, on Apr 28 2010, 04:45 PM, said:

Me arguing with Toasty being stupid doesn't negate the fact that he thinks it's real...

I'm sorry, I must have emphasized the wrong point. Yes, I do think christians believe the bible is metaphorical (I went to a catholic elementary, even the teachers there explained that not all the bible stories were true, but told as lessons or some shit) but my point WAS.. who gives a shit? Christians are ignorant, stubborn fear mongererers. :3

[ThankMeLater]

Nope. They thrived loooong before said flood, during said flood, and after said flood. Real historic facts prove this, not just stories in a science fiction book.

Aight, I guess I was raised in a different area. (you know what I mean, obviously kingston =/= bc). Alot of the people here say the stories are real. Plus alot of Catholic figures I've seen on tv and such have said that too.

I guess everybody sees the Bible differently. It was mostly directed at Toasty who does claim that the Bible's real.

[Eugine]

I am personally against the idea of Christians continually trying to "prove" the Bible, and by extension their faith. Having faith means believing in something you cannot prove absolutely. So, imo, by trying to prove your faith, you actually lack faith.

Regardless, despite being a "Christian", honestly, I have a hard time believing the literal translations of most Bible stories. I rather believe modern science.

I remember reading a few years the word used in the original Old Testament (which was written in Hebrew) has more than one English translations - Land, Earth comes to mind. So, some people claim the flood was more regional rather than the entire Earth.

[ThankMeLater]

Eugine, on Apr 28 2010, 08:36 PM, said:

I am personally against the idea of Christians continually trying to "prove" the Bible, and by extension their faith. Having faith means believing in something you cannot prove absolutely. So, imo, by trying to prove your faith, you actually lack faith.

Regardless, despite being a "Christian", honestly, I have a hard time believing the literal translations of most Bible stories. I rather believe modern science.

I remember reading a few years the word used in the original Old Testament (which was written in Hebrew) has more than one English translations - Land, Earth comes to mind. So, some people claim the flood was more regional rather than the entire Earth.

Maybe they shouldn't have to prove the Bible correct, but what about when it's proven 100% false... they can't try and argue that.

and this is why you guys will always win. the stuff thats plausible you can believe in a literal sense, as atheists can't really argue a dude going and teaching people stuff, but the second something impossible pops up, you say it's either metaphorical, or not a correct translation. there's absolutely no consistency. Like I said before, either EVERYTHING is real, or EVERYTHING is metaphorical.. can't have it both ways. And if it's all metaphorical, couldn't that also mean Jesus and God themselves don't really exist, but are just meant as a metaphor for the natural law, or the ten commandments (not the actual stone, but what it represents).

And if you think it's all real, well, then it's really all false because the flood and many other extraordinary stories are complete bullshit. You never know, the Bible could've been written as a means of monetary gain. It was the best selling book of the 20th century, leading Lord Of The Rings by a sizable number.

A young man with severe epilepsy received a vision that he would be cured by eating an apple. There were, however, no apple trees about. Kevin, seeing the lad's need, ordered a willow to produce apples; twenty yellow apples appeared on the tree.

I'm sorry, I wasn't there or anything, but that didn't happen.

[Eugine]

Well, I will love for you to show me a novel that is written metaphorically or literally in its entirety. A good writer uses both.

And to be honest, I don't really care if the Bible is proven 100 percent false (it will not anyway.) Actually, I hardly believe most Bible stories in the literal sense. What I love about the Bible is not the stories or the characters but the concept it presents - Forgiveness and Redemption.

[ThankMeLater]

Eugine, on Apr 28 2010, 11:01 PM, said:

Well, I will love for you to show me a novel that is written metaphorically or literally in its entirety. A good writer uses both.

And to be honest, I don't really care if the Bible is proven 100 percent false (it will not anyway.) Actually, I hardly believe most Bible stories in the literal sense. What I love about the Bible is not the stories or the characters but the concept it presents - Forgiveness and Redemption.

But that's the thing. A novel is either fiction, or non-fiction. If it's non-fiction, everything happened that way. If it's fiction, even if it's based on a true story, it's not real, the exact story they are telling did not happen.

Alright, like I said-- since your belief in the Bible is concepts, and not the story it tells, couldn't that mean that God and Jesus do not exist and are merely a representation of natural law? Don't tell me whether you believe this is the case or not, but if someone were to believe the Bible is merely a means of living, could that not mean that God and Jesus do not exist?

and rofl very hard at redemption being a good quality of the Bible.

[Ironsight]

I'm just asking, but what does Skidzorz think of the Shroud of Turin?

[Eugine]

Well, redemption is probably the most important part of Christianity.

And I believe Jesus actually walked the Earth yes. A simple Google search will find you multiple links where Roman historians documented Jesus. Whether he is actually the Son of God is actually debatable, but what the heck... I believe he died, is risen and will come again, as the acclamation states.

But, like I said, I just love the concept of religion. Maybe, I'll convert to The Cantry of Andraste

These truths the Maker has revealed to me:
As there is but one world,
One life, one death, there is
But one god, and He is our Maker.
They are sinners, who have given their love
To false gods.

Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him.
Foul and corrupt are they
Who have taken His gift
And turned it against His children.
They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones.
They shall find no rest in this world
Or beyond.

All men are the Work of our Maker's Hands,
From the lowest slaves
To the highest kings.
Those who bring harm
Without provocation to the least of His children
Are hated and accursed by the Maker.

Those who bear false witness
And work to deceive others, know this:
There is but one Truth.
All things are known to our Maker
And He shall judge their lies.

All things in this world are finite.
What one man gains, another has lost.
Those who steal from their brothers and sisters
Do harm to their livelihood and to their peace of mind.
Our Maker sees this with a heavy heart.

[I'm Always BROKE]

I must say that I find the whole concept of the religion Christianity total bullshit. Especially in America. Although, I do believe that Jesus (I dislike calling him that honestly) excisted.

Usually I also cannot see the difference between people who are athiest and Christian, while a Jewish or Islamitic person is much easier to spot. I'm not talking about physical features here, but more their 'aura' of humbleness.

Besides, the Bible was been rewritten so many times, one should wonder if the book is still legit.

Thing is, the wise and the foolish are on both sides.

[My Best Wishes]

I know this isn't the place it once was, but can everyone at least try to be a bit civil, even to those who have different views to you.

[ThankMeLater]

Eugine, on Apr 28 2010, 11:46 PM, said:

Well, redemption is probably the most important part of Christianity.

And I believe Jesus actually walked the Earth yes. A simple Google search will find you multiple links where Roman historians documented Jesus. Whether he is actually the Son of God is actually debatable, but what the heck... I believe he died, is risen and will come again, as the acclamation states.

Shit, yea, that kinda slipped my mind. True, a man who called himself Jesus and claimed to be the son of God walked the Earth, but that's not to say the dude wasn't just crazy.

Also, would you care to explain why miracles happened for thousands of years to different people, and then the second history becomes accurately recorded, they stop? That's not just mere coincidence.

My Best Wishes, on Apr 29 2010, 01:25 AM, said:

I know this isn't the place it once was, but can everyone at least try to be a bit civil, even to those who have different views to you.

i feel we are being civil. i've sworn, sure, but it's not to be malicious.

[I'm Always BROKE]

If 'Jesus' lived nowadays, yes people would call him crazy. But every great man or hero in history has been at least a little crazy.

Also Skidz, miracles still happen today. But the main stream media prefers propoganda so that's why you won't see much in the news.

[ThankMeLater]

Diddy Kong, on Apr 29 2010, 07:50 AM, said:

If 'Jesus' lived nowadays, yes people would call him crazy. But every great man or hero in history has been at least a little crazy.

Also Skidz, miracles still happen today. But the main stream media prefers propoganda so that's why you won't see much in the news.

No no they haven't. That's a terrible arguement.

And no, no they don't. Are people resurrected from the dead? Has anybody stared at an empty table and made thousands of loafs of bread and fish appear? Has anyone been able to touch a barrel of water and turn it into wine (magicians aside)? No. So no dude, miracles do not happen nowadays. And please don't say they're on a smaller scale, like someone with a bad illness being cured. That's not an impossible feat, just very unlikely and such.

[Caael]

Anybody who takes the Bible literally is an idiot. It's not a history book or a novel; its a complex set of morals, teachings and codes to live by. Even I know that and I'm an atheist. Some people live their entire lives by these teachings and are none the worse for it. How about having a more open mind skidz, instead of trying to prove everything you disagree with wrong?

[Eugine]

Miracles happen everyday Skidz.

ThankMeLater, on Apr 29 2010, 10:44 AM, said:

And no, no they don't. Are people resurrected from the dead? Has anybody stared at an empty table and made thousands of loafs of bread and fish appear? Has anyone been able to touch a barrel of water and turn it into wine (magicians aside)?

Maybe these things do not happen today because no one living is the Son Of God?

And I agree with Caael. I do think the Bible is historically accurate though. It should definitely not be in the History book shelf, but there are sooo many occurrences where archaeologists dug up something that added favour to Bible History.

[ThankMeLater]

Caael, on Apr 29 2010, 10:47 AM, said:

Anybody who takes the Bible literally is an idiot. It's not a history book or a novel; its a complex set of morals, teachings and codes to live by. Even I know that and I'm an atheist. Some people live their entire lives by these teachings and are none the worse for it. How about having a more open mind skidz, instead of trying to prove everything you disagree with wrong?

You think that, I think that, alot of people think that, but alot of people believe the Bible is real (clearly the people who discovered said Ark).. hence the origin of this fucking topic. Learn to actually take in what my meaning is.

Eugine, on Apr 29 2010, 10:54 AM, said:

Miracles happen everyday Skidz.

Maybe these things do not happen today because no one living is the Son Of God?

And I agree with Caael. I do think the Bible is historically accurate though. It should definitely not be in the History book shelf, but there are sooo many occurrences where archaeologists dug up something that added favour to Bible History.

rofl, okay Eugine. sure they do. Show me, please show me.

Um no, because other people committed similar miracles. Like Saint Kevin who made apples appear on an empty tree. Or Moses who split the Red Sea with his staff. The Son Of God was not the only person in Christian mythology to do impossible miracles. So I ask again, why is it that the second history became recorded these extraordinary miracles went away? I don't want an off-topic answer, I want a direct answer as to why miracles have all dissipated the second we humans decided to record history accurately?

You can't believe it's historically accurate but then say stories like the Flood are metaphorical. Like I said, it doesn't work both ways.

WOW, PDM was right, argueing with Christians is almost as stupid as being one.

[Eugine]

The ones you listed were performed only by Jesus Skidz. I was being specific to the ones you listed. Look at them. And sure, miracles are harder to come by, or prove today, and I am not even going to look for them since everyone can ask "What if" questions on them.

I personally have experienced things I cannot explain myself, and consider them miracles, so I believe in miracles.

You said you want a direct answer, so this is the best Bible answer I can give you:
The people of the Bible such as Moses were chosen by God to lead his people. He had a much stronger connection to God than most, if not all men of today. With that said, I expect a man with such a strong connection with God to be able to perform such feats. As men grows older, we continue to move away from God more and more, and thus our connection to God becomes weaker. Hence, the miracles become weaker, or less extravagant. Tadah!
This is why the miracles of today is so shitty compared to the miracles of the Bible.

And where did I say the flood was metaphorical?

Eugine, on Apr 28 2010, 10:36 PM, said:

I remember reading a few years the word used in the original Old Testament (which was written in Hebrew) has more than one English translations - Land, Earth comes to mind. So, some people claim the flood was more regional rather than the entire Earth.

This was my explanation fucker.

There are stories in the Bible that are better explained metaphorically - eg Jonah and the Whale. And yes, the Bible is historically accurate. Do a Google search on the historical accuracy of the Bible. Do some reading, then tell me what you think.

God, I don't think I am going to reply to you again tbh.

[ThankMeLater]

Miracles are impossibilities. IF someone can ask what if, or have a viable reason why it happened, it' not a miracle. And that Moses answer is bullshit. St Kevin had little to no ties with God and made apples appear on a tree, made a flock of birds come down to protect him, and made hunting dogs completely immobile. So no, Moses being close to God had nothing to do with him performing miracles. A bunch of other people performed miracles such as he, but then everything stopped when humans started recording history. What the fuck do you think that means?

But whatever, fuck it, I'm done. Close this topic. You're ridiculous Eugine.. fucker.

Yeah, fuck everybody who says I take shit too far.. this little bitch gonna call me a fucker because I disagree with shit he says? Fuck you nigger.

PDM, GL, WD, close this shit before it really becomes a flamefest and I get myself suspended again.

[Eugine]

lol,
I was kinda fed up of defending something I don't even put much time into.
Plus, I kinda got the feeling your intention was simply to discredit the Bible rather than, you know, have an open mind to the Bible.

[ThankMeLater]

Not in the slightest. Stop making assumptions.

Those people clearly believed Noah's Ark was real, contrary to most of the people here saying "no, Christians think it's metaphorical." I wanted to know, from Toasty (re-read my original post), who believes it's literal, how the Ark is possible. This wasn't a full blown war against the Bible, you guys just lead it to that.

So fuck you. You guys only think I'm complete anti-Christian (i'm not, there are great morals and states of being in the Bible) because you always misinterpret what I say.

So yeah, close this topic.

[Toasty]

ThankMeLater, on Apr 29 2010, 04:28 AM, said:

Shit, yea, that kinda slipped my mind. True, a man who called himself Jesus and claimed to be the son of God walked the Earth, but that's not to say the dude wasn't just crazy.

Also, would you care to explain why miracles happened for thousands of years to different people, and then the second history becomes accurately recorded, they stop? That's not just mere coincidence.
i feel we are being civil. i've sworn, sure, but it's not to be malicious.

The bible says something about God's presence diminishing over time as the world becomes more and more sinful, which would explain the fewer miracles nowadays.

Also, keep in mind that the people documenting these miracles were devout followers of Jesus. His disciples. They were more exposed to that kind of stuff than anyone else, from what I understand.

All that said, miracles still happen nowadays. It's just that most people prefer to pass them off as mere coincidences or luck.


And the whole flood and Noah's ark thing isn't metaphorical. At least, that's my stance on it. The bible references people living for hundreds of years in the old testament before the flood, and it also made statements that could lead some to assume that there was less water on the earth (as in smaller/fewer oceans and seas), and more clouds in the sky. Since many biologists agree that radiation from the sun is a major factor of the physical aging process, more cloud coverage would explain the longer lifespans.

I also remember some scientific research which suggested that there was some kind of huge flood quite some time ago in the earth's history. If I remember right, the conclusion was drawn from the observations of various soil samples in different locations around that world.


To compound upon that, there was supposedly remains of a very large ship found in the side of a mountain in the middle east somewhere. I'm sure I've linked to the article on these forums somewhere.


Anyway, that's my stance on the matter. I do believe that there are metaphorical stories in the bible, but to my knowledge, the more "extravagant," per-say, are actual events (i.e. Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, etc.). I'm under the understanding that the metaphorical stories are much simpler, and meant to reference a specific point. Like the Parable of the Ten Talents, for example.

[My Best Wishes]

ThankMeLater, on Apr 29 2010, 09:28 PM, said:

Shit, yea, that kinda slipped my mind. True, a man who called himself Jesus and claimed to be the son of God walked the Earth, but that's not to say the dude wasn't just crazy.

Also, would you care to explain why miracles happened for thousands of years to different people, and then the second history becomes accurately recorded, they stop? That's not just mere coincidence.
i feel we are being civil. i've sworn, sure, but it's not to be malicious.

Because not only was Jesus killed, but so were his apostles and the early saints. Great Apostasy
It's kinda hard for miracles to happen when there was no one on the earth with the priesthood.

Toasty, on Apr 30 2010, 03:11 PM, said:

Anyway, that's my stance on the matter. I do believe that there are metaphorical stories in the bible, but to my knowledge, the more "extravagant," per-say, are actual events (i.e. Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, etc.). I'm under the understanding that the metaphorical stories are much simpler, and meant to reference a specific point. Like the Parable of the Ten Talents, for example.

With Toasty. The Bible does record some history, the flood, Daniel and the lions den, David and Goliath. These events happened. What didn't happen in real life was the ten wise and ten foolish virgins, the widow and the unjust judge etc. Not being a smartass here, but have you heard of parables Skidz.

On topic, I don't reckon they actually found the Ark, but if they did, I wouldn't care less, I can't see how the confirmation of a bible story would make me want to be a better Christian/Person then I already try to be.

[ThankMeLater]

Toasty, on Apr 29 2010, 11:11 PM, said:

long post

You didn't answer my question in the slightest. How can the Flood have happened if civilizations existed before, during, and after the Flood?

THIS is why I get so heated in Religion discussions, because nobody actually responds in a direct fashion to the stuff I'm saying.. like, you know, a real conversation.

And I'm not responding to you Wish, I'm done with this bullshit. Fuck religion discussions at GSSF. I just want Toasty to answer, and then somebody can close this.

[Caael]

ThankMeLater, on Apr 30 2010, 12:57 AM, said:

So fuck you. You guys only think I'm complete anti-Christian (i'm not, there are great morals and states of being in the Bible) because you always misinterpret what I say.

We'd stop misinterpreting if you'd stop putting questions forward in a bigoted way.

Going into huge detail and critique of a subject before asking a question is bound to get you some misinterpreted responses compared to if you said "Some people think the bible stories were real, what do you think?"

[ThankMeLater]

Caael, on Apr 30 2010, 09:42 AM, said:

We'd stop misinterpreting if you'd stop putting questions forward in a bigoted way.

Going into huge detail and critique of a subject before asking a question is bound to get you some misinterpreted responses compared to if you said "Some people think the bible stories were real, what do you think?"

A question is a question. Avoiding the question is avoiding the question.

And rofl, read the first post fucktwit. Very first thing I said was the Flood, Toasty question. Then I went into a critique. You keep slipping worse and worse every day Caael... step your shit up.

edit - wait, I didn't even critique religion in my first post. Get the fuck outta here putting words in my mouth. I said the statistic is bullshit, not the findings. Your right to post in this topic has been revoked until you actually read the posts put in front of you and respond accordingly, not respond to what I've said in the past, you FAT VIRGIN CUNT

[Caael]

I try but it's so hard

[ThankMeLater]

I know, because you're a sad, British, prepubescent, full-of-himself, twat.

[Eugine]

Caael, on Apr 30 2010, 11:42 AM, said:

We'd stop misinterpreting if you'd stop putting questions forward in a bigoted way.

Sorry Skidz, but this is how your posts come off, apparently unintentionally.

[ThankMeLater]

But the first post in this topic? that's not bigoted at all. And then it just went down a spiral since nobody really answered the question I asked.

[Laharl]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z254/laharl_the_slayer_07/1722322738_5c2b7fd317.jpg

[Toasty]

ThankMeLater, on Apr 30 2010, 01:39 AM, said:

You didn't answer my question in the slightest. How can the Flood have happened if civilizations existed before, during, and after the Flood?

THIS is why I get so heated in Religion discussions, because nobody actually responds in a direct fashion to the stuff I'm saying.. like, you know, a real conversation.

And I'm not responding to you Wish, I'm done with this bullshit. Fuck religion discussions at GSSF. I just want Toasty to answer, and then somebody can close this.

What source of yours says there were civilizations during the flood? Just curious.

[My Best Wishes]

Pretty much what I was going to ask next. Yes, life existed before during and after the flood. However everything but that which was on the Ark was destroyed at the time of the flood. So yea, people were around before and after, but all life was wiped out during.

[ThankMeLater]

Well the flood took place approximately 4500 years ago. Ancient Egypt had tribes as far back as 5500 BC (so 7500 years ago), and their first dynasty was about 3300 BC. Historical records and artifacts prove that the civilizations in Ancient Egypt thrived for thousands of years, without a gap (due to the Flood), before, through, and after the time the Flood was supposed to take place. Didn't you take history? The fact that Ancient Egyptians lived through the time of the Flood isn't debatable.. any World History student/professor could tell you that. And I dont know much about the Mesopetamians, but I could put a little more research into it... I'm just aware from papers I've read that they also thrived before, during, and after the time of the Flood.

I'm not just going in blind with this guys.

[Golden Legacy]

Skidz, it's not that I disagree with the points you're making, but you basically began a fanatic tirade before there was even an argument to argue about.

[Eugine]

I didn't want to be rude, so I removed my original post =]

Regarding the flood, like I said before, I believe the flood was local and not global. The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. The word eret, which was the original word used translates to both Earth and land as this link shows.
http://strongsnumber.../hebrew/776.htm

That's why the Egyptians did not record the food in their history books. It did not affect them. I do know for a fact that some flooding occurred though. Too many religions mention a great flood.

And GL, you agree with him because you are now a "secular humanist" lol.

[ThankMeLater]

Golden Legacy, on Apr 30 2010, 10:44 PM, said:

Skidz, it's not that I disagree with the points you're making, but you basically began a fanatic tirade before there was even an argument to argue about.

No. I asked a question, and hated on the dude who made those statistics. He could've been talking about rap, or weed, or anything... that 99% statistic is complete bullshit.

"It's not 100%, but we're 99% sure Lil Wayne will become gay"

"It's not 100%, but we're 99% sure weed can make you turn into a giant vegetable"

He pulled that number out of his ass. How did he come up with that number? He said the number that was closest to 100%, but couldn't say 100%, because HE HAD NO CLUE. There was no fanatic tirade, there was hating on a single dude who had no clue what he was talking about. I'll even break the post down.

ThankMeLater, on Apr 28 2010, 08:10 AM, said:

Toasty, I have a question for you. Or any catholics for that matter. If God really did flood the world, how is it that ancient civilizations such as that of Mesopotamia and Egypt continued to live on and flourish during and after the time of the flood?

Nice and simple question asked to Toasty. Not rude, not disrespectful, just a straight up question.

not random religion hate, just seen this and it made me laugh, as they have not a single ounce of proof. also, multiple claims have been made towards noah's ark over the years, and all have been proven false.
Even stated it wasn't random religion hate, as I knew people would take anything I have against religion that way. I merely stated that people have made claims about Noah's Ark, and have all been proven false. What, I can't say the truth.

also, the fact that dude said "it's not 100%, but it's 99% noah's ark" means he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. he did no scientific research-- they simply found the boat, and since he believes it's noah's ark, he says it's 99%.

Hey guys, I'm not 100% sure that I was JFK in another life, but I'm 99% sure. Where in the fuck did I get that statistic from?
Then I go into hating dude with the statistics. Not ONCE was I bigoted towards religion in this post, just the prick pulling numbers out his ass.

There you go GL. Maybe my future posts were a bit bigoted, but that's because NOBODY ANSWERED THE QUESTION I ASKED IN THE THIRD GOD DAMN SENTENCE.

[Toasty]

I didn't really bother to read your initial question thoroughly because
A) I have a life, and I'm currently swamped with homework, and a bunch of other school and church related activities.
B) I'm not a history major, and I don't actively study the bible, so I can't give you a finite answer, so it wasn't necessary to read in-depth into your question.
C) I simply couldn't be assed to answer the question, because I've been exhausted for a few days now.

All that said and done, I gave you the best answer I could with the energy, time, and attention span I had available at the time. If you're not happy with it, than I guess you're not happy with it. Doesn't mean you have to get pissed over it.

ThankMeLater, on Apr 30 2010, 09:33 PM, said:

Well the flood took place approximately 4500 years ago. Ancient Egypt had tribes as far back as 5500 BC (so 7500 years ago), and their first dynasty was about 3300 BC. Historical records and artifacts prove that the civilizations in Ancient Egypt thrived for thousands of years, without a gap (due to the Flood), before, through, and after the time the Flood was supposed to take place. Didn't you take history? The fact that Ancient Egyptians lived through the time of the Flood isn't debatable.. any World History student/professor could tell you that. And I dont know much about the Mesopetamians, but I could put a little more research into it... I'm just aware from papers I've read that they also thrived before, during, and after the time of the Flood.

I'm not just going in blind with this guys.

I never took an Egyptian/middle-eastern history class. I'm honestly not all that interested in what the schools have to say about that matter because it's likely going to be biased any way you look at it. Instead, I chose to take modern european and modern US history as they both have far more to do with systems of government and economies. I'm actually quite enjoying my current modern US class, despite my piss-poor grade in it (from lack of effort. I score well on the tests, though.)

All that said and done, the history book is still biased on certain subjects, but at least it's more relevant to current times.


Also, I've toyed with the idea for a while that, like Eugine said, maybe the flood was more localized. Also, as he already stated, many religions make references to huge floods. It's likely there was a connection between them (though China, for example, has had 1500 major floods in the last 3000 years, so it's possible that the flood in the bible is unrelated to any flooding in China.).


If you want, I'll ask my youth pastor what he thinks about it this Sunday. I should have plenty of time, since I'll be helping out with the silent auction we're having for the youth group's trip this summer, and thus, will have to be at the church earlier than usual.

Heck, I could probably ask our head pastor for you too. He's a pretty easy guy to talk to.


Anyway, maybe I'll get around to dissecting your post tomorrow. Maybe. I've got ass-loads of homework to catch up on. Though maybe I'll come and reply to your question as a break from math and modern/ancient history (I'm taking the class online to make up for my F in modern European, which was also due to lack of effort. I got the highest test scores in the class).

[ThankMeLater]

LAWWWWWL, when i give proof that the thing couldnt have happened, you give me an essay sized post that doesn't relate to my post at all.

fuck this, close.

[Eugine]

ThankMeLater, on May 1 2010, 03:50 AM, said:

LAWWWWWL, when i give proof that the thing couldnt have happened, you give me an essay sized post that doesn't relate to my post at all.

fuck this, close.

There's no way you read that fast. You viewed the topic for like 30 freaking seconds.

[ThankMeLater]

No, I really did read his post. And in reading it, I noticed he didnt respond to my previous post in the slightest because he got proven wrong.

Maybe you just read slow.

[Laharl]

I thought Indianna Jones rescued the arc from the Nazis....

[ThankMeLater]

I'm gonna assume you're just fucking around, but just in case-- different arc sir.

[My Best Wishes]

ThankMeLater, on May 1 2010, 03:04 PM, said:

No. I asked a question, and hated on the dude who made those statistics. He could've been talking about rap, or weed, or anything... that 99% statistic is complete bullshit.

I'm not 100% but I'm 99% sure you're a dude.

Ok, let's clear up some things. First of, science makes mistakes. And those dudes on the History channel digging up bones and old bowls and plates? They make mistakes.
No civilisation, life or whatever survived during the flood, except what was on the Ark.
The Ark was global, not local.

GENESIS Chapter 7

VERSE 4 -
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; And every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

VERSE 19 -
And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

VERSE 21 -
And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man

VERSE 23 -
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed
from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Regardless of you're thoughts on God and whatever, the Bible is historical reliable and accurate.

[ThankMeLater]

My Best Wishes, on May 1 2010, 04:56 PM, said:

I'm not 100% but I'm 99% sure you're a dude.

Ok, let's clear up some things. First of, science makes mistakes. And those dudes on the History channel digging up bones and old bowls and plates? They make mistakes.
No civilisation, life or whatever survived during the flood, except what was on the Ark.
The Ark was global, not local.

GENESIS Chapter 7

VERSE 4 -
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; And every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

VERSE 19 -
And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

VERSE 21 -
And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man

VERSE 23 -
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed
from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Regardless of you're thoughts on God and whatever, the Bible is historical reliable and accurate.

You proving that the Flood was supposed to be global hurts your case so much.

Yes civilization/life survived through the flood. Historical records will prove that time and time again. It's fact, it's not up for debate. Ancient Egyptians lived through that time, FACT!

You're blind with faith. Atleast Toasty is like "maybe it was local," or "ill ask my buddy what he thinks on the matter".. you are straight up denying historical FACT.