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time travel myth/fear is bullshit aka official stoner discussions thread

#1   ThankMeLater 

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    Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:01 PM

    So the general consensus about time travel - from BTTF, to anything else that mentions not fucking up the space time continuum - is that you will cease to exist should you kill yourself or your parents in the past, but I've been having a discussion about this with a friend and we've both come to the conclusion that that scenario is total bullshit. If I were to kill myself, I will have never existed, yet I wouldn't disappear or fade away since I was the one who killed myself. If I was never born I'd never be able to go back and kill myself, and as such I will stay in reality due to some impossible time loop.

    anyone else have completely pointless discussion with your friends that end up making alot of sense?

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      Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:08 PM

      Paradoxes will always self correct. I dont know how but they will.

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        Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:13 PM

        I dunno, I don't see a cat with a piece of buttered toast strapped to it's back every landing on the ground.

        Here's hoping you get what I'm talking about.

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          Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:41 PM

          That's not a paradox that's just chance. A paradox would be something that should not exist; Schroedingers cat is a good example.

          Time isn't linear- I'm pretty sure of that. "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff." - The Doctor

          This means that paradoxes such as the going into the past and killing yourself would autocorrect because, I dunno, as an example on past you's timeline it is indeed going backward in time but for present you doing the time travel, it's going forward in a loop.

          Or present you displaces past you thus eradicating present you, as past you is now the present you that will go on to become the ex-present you and it'll be a constant chain of reaction and displacement.


          Past you ---> Present you is a linear timeline

          Assuming present you is the one that goes back in time to kill past you, that's looping time. It has to loop otherwise it DOES become paradox. It'd be a huge cycle of progressing to the point where present you goes back in time, and where you kill yourself, you become the past you as you've been displaced into their time.



          Oh fuck knows, its 5am and I've not slept in 48 hours. This is just tired rambling and bullshit.

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            Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:47 PM

            View PostCaael, on Aug 21 2010, 10:41 PM, said:

            That's not a paradox that's just chance. A paradox would be something that should not exist; Schroedingers cat is a good example.

            Time isn't linear- I'm pretty sure of that. "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff." - The Doctor

            This means that paradoxes such as the going into the past and killing yourself would autocorrect because, I dunno, as an example on past you's timeline it is indeed going backward in time but for present you doing the time travel, it's going forward in a loop.

            Or present you displaces past you thus eradicating present you, as past you is now the present you that will go on to become the ex-present you and it'll be a constant chain of reaction and displacement.
            Past you ---> Present you is a linear timeline

            Assuming present you is the one that goes back in time to kill past you, that's looping time. It has to loop otherwise it DOES become paradox. It'd be a huge cycle of progressing to the point where present you goes back in time, and where you kill yourself, you become the past you as you've been displaced into their time.
            Oh fuck knows, its 5am and I've not slept in 48 hours. This is just tired rambling and bullshit.

            IT is a paradox. A cat always lands on it's feet. Toast always lands buttered side up. Therefore, a cat with a buttered piece of toast tapped to it's back becomes a paradox. The cat would just stay suspended in animation for the rest of eternity.

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              Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:49 PM

              Pretty sure that its chance on either of them. And even so, if the toast is strapped to the cats back, the cat will just land on the floor anyway and the toast wont have anything to do with it?

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                Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:10 PM

                I threw my cat across my living room earlier today and it landed on its side - not its feet. Crisis averted.

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                  Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:16 PM

                  I can't do the experiment with a cat but we are looking after my cousin's hamsters...

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                    Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:43 PM

                    http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8141/1273910872861.png



                    Wouldn't you just create a branching timeline if you were to go back in time and kill yourself?

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                      Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:33 AM

                      That too; there's the theory that every decision ever made leads to an alternate universe so there's an infinite number of universes based on subtle subconcious decisions.

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                        Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:09 AM

                        ^ ya, i talked about that in an essay in philosophy last year. basically yesterday when you went into the kitchen and asked yourself whether you should have cereal or toast(y), whichever you don't pick, the universe splits and the other choice is lived out.

                        There's a you out there that has made the right decision every single time, and there's also a homeless you out there addicted to drugs... somewhere.. xD

                        edit @ cat paradox - naw man, because despite not landing on the ground, that toast has stopped falling, and therefore has landed face up, which it just can not do. I know I'm taking this a bit too far, because it really is chance, but were it not, it'd be a paradox, for sure.

                        and props to zeypher.

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                          Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:11 AM

                          View PostThankMeLater, on Aug 22 2010, 09:09 AM, said:

                          There's a you out there that has made the right decision every single time, and there's also a homeless you out there addicted to drugs... somewhere.. xD

                          I doubt there's a me out there who has made worse decisions than I have, but okay.

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                            Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:58 AM

                            Have you ever gone to the store and bought white bread? Well the other you bought whole wheat.

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                              Posted 22 August 2010 - 11:07 AM

                              View PostThankMeLater, on Aug 22 2010, 10:58 AM, said:

                              Have you ever gone to the store and bought white bread? Well the other you bought whole wheat.


                              The other other him bought potato bread. (who eats that anyway?)

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                                Posted 22 August 2010 - 06:32 PM

                                View PostMallick, on Aug 22 2010, 10:11 AM, said:

                                I doubt there's a me out there who has made worse decisions than I have, but okay.

                                That's because you are the worse possible Mallick. The other versions of you are great, successful people.

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                                  Posted 22 August 2010 - 06:34 PM

                                  You've really started to grow on me this recent return.

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                                    Posted 22 August 2010 - 06:39 PM

                                    View PostZeypher, on Aug 22 2010, 05:32 PM, said:

                                    That's because you are the worse possible Mallick. The other versions of you are great, successful people.

                                    S'what I was implying, yes.

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                                      Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:37 PM

                                      What're we talking about?

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                                        Posted 23 August 2010 - 02:06 AM

                                        Time travel and alternate universes.

                                        I read a theory on Wikipedia's article for time travel where basically you can't go back in time to a date before the time machine existed (essentially, you can only go forward in time).

                                        There's also another theory where if you go back in time at all, it creates an alternate universe that the time traveler is now part of. This theory would explain why we don't see tourists from the future everywhere.

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                                          Posted 24 August 2010 - 06:40 PM

                                          View Postihatekraden, on Aug 22 2010, 10:07 AM, said:

                                          The other other him bought potato bread. (who eats that anyway?)



                                          *raises hand*

                                          It's good stuff sir.

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                                            Posted 24 August 2010 - 06:49 PM

                                            View PostToasty, on Aug 24 2010, 06:40 PM, said:

                                            *raises hand*

                                            It's good stuff sir.


                                            Hm, maybe I ought to try it. I'm always put off by the fact that it's yellow bread...

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                                              Posted 24 August 2010 - 08:55 PM

                                              View PostToasty, on Aug 24 2010, 06:40 PM, said:

                                              *raises hand*

                                              It's good stuff sir.

                                              I cry knowing that there's a polar opposite, normal, Toasty out there and we got stuck with you.

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                                                Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:04 PM

                                                View PostThankMeLater, on Aug 24 2010, 08:55 PM, said:

                                                I cry knowing that there's a polar opposite, normal, Toasty out there and we got stuck with you.

                                                Then there's also pimp Toasty who banged that Japanese girl.

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                                                  Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:08 PM

                                                  Wut.


                                                  Don't be hatin' Skidz. Potato bread is the shiznit.

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                                                    Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:19 PM

                                                    There's also an atheist Toasty who lives for today.

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                                                      Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:49 PM

                                                      There's also mormon Chris who's only drug is life :3

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                                                        Posted 25 August 2010 - 12:32 AM

                                                        There's also a WD who does ecstasy, drinks alcohol, gets bjs on a regular basis, posts rap lyrics and generally acts like an ass on GSSF.

                                                        what?

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                                                          Posted 25 August 2010 - 01:17 AM

                                                          View PostSomeone Else, on Aug 24 2010, 11:32 PM, said:

                                                          There's also a WD who does ecstasy, drinks alcohol, gets bjs on a regular basis, posts rap lyrics and generally acts like an ass on GSSF.

                                                          what?

                                                          You mean there's an alternative timeline out there where WD isn't a tool?!

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                                                            Posted 25 August 2010 - 01:36 AM

                                                            There is also an alternative version of me out there, who's life is exactly the same except on this post they missed out the full stop Oh my god. I AM THE ALTERNATIVE VERSION!

                                                            Edit: I want you all to know you ruined a beautiful thing by making double posts merge. I am preserving this regardless.

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                                                              Posted 25 August 2010 - 02:06 AM

                                                              View PostMallick, on Aug 25 2010, 12:17 AM, said:

                                                              You mean there's an alternative timeline out there where WD isn't a tool?!

                                                              There's also one where you don't have a stick up your ass

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                                                                Posted 25 August 2010 - 02:07 AM

                                                                There's also one where everyone's a republican! =D

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                                                                  Posted 25 August 2010 - 02:21 AM

                                                                  http://www.goldensun-syndicate.net/forum/public/style_images/gssv3/snapback.png' alt='View Post' />Someone Else, on Aug 25 2010, 01:06 AM, said:


                                                                  You tickle me in a place that I don't wanna talk about.
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                                                                    Posted 25 August 2010 - 02:26 AM

                                                                    Your moms said the same thing h'oh snap

                                                                    I can make dumb jokes without breaking a sweat too. Grow up.

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                                                                      Posted 25 August 2010 - 02:29 AM

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                                                                      Your moms said the same thing h'oh snap

                                                                      I can make dumb jokes too. Grow up.

                                                                      You must be talking about a different person. My mother would be comfortable talking about that sort of thing.


                                                                      I make dumb jokes to get under your skin and it totally works. Yes, I'm an immature fuck, but I think you should re-examine yourself before you act superior.


                                                                      edit: p.s. I feel obligated to call you a tool

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                                                                        Posted 25 August 2010 - 02:45 AM

                                                                        Under my skin..?

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                                                                          Posted 25 August 2010 - 02:58 AM

                                                                          Feigning indifference again?

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                                                                            Posted 25 August 2010 - 03:01 AM

                                                                            You're giving yourself too much credit. It's annoying and that's it. Buut that's enough derailing here...

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                                                                              Posted 25 August 2010 - 03:10 AM

                                                                              I don't, really. But okay whatever, back to time travel.

                                                                              I've misplaced that bread & butter informational the starts with


                                                                              "So you've traveled back in time... here's what you need to know:"

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                                                                                Posted 25 August 2010 - 03:18 AM

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                                                                                  Posted 25 August 2010 - 04:01 AM

                                                                                  lol, WD getting so mad at pdm lately.

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                                                                                    Posted 25 August 2010 - 04:10 AM

                                                                                    View PostSomeone Else, on Aug 25 2010, 12:32 AM, said:

                                                                                    There's also a WD who does ecstasy, drinks alcohol, gets bjs on a regular basis, posts rap lyrics and generally acts like an ass on GSSF.

                                                                                    what?

                                                                                    He already exists. His name is
                                                                                    Spoiler
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                                                                                      Posted 25 August 2010 - 04:11 AM

                                                                                      That was the point. He kinda son'd himself saying he never gets blowjobs tho...

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                                                                                        Posted 25 August 2010 - 04:29 AM

                                                                                        View PostThankMeLater, on Aug 25 2010, 03:01 AM, said:

                                                                                        lol, WD getting so mad at pdm lately.

                                                                                        S'great, isn't it?

                                                                                        http://nagrecha.net/backintime.jpg

                                                                                        Found it. It's low res though.

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                                                                                          Posted 25 August 2010 - 04:35 AM

                                                                                          View PostThankMeLater, on Aug 25 2010, 03:11 AM, said:

                                                                                          That was the point. He kinda son'd himself saying he never gets blowjobs tho...

                                                                                          Eyyy, did I say never?

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                                                                                            Posted 25 August 2010 - 05:35 AM

                                                                                            [insert troll]

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                                                                                              Posted 25 August 2010 - 07:20 AM

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                                                                                              There's also one where everyone's a republican! =D


                                                                                              Otherwise known as the stone age

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                                                                                                Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:42 AM

                                                                                                View PostZeypher, on Aug 25 2010, 05:35 AM, said:

                                                                                                [insert troll]

                                                                                                ...!

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                                                                                                  Posted 25 August 2010 - 12:03 PM

                                                                                                  let's try and make this page really awethome by making sure WD doesn't post on it.


                                                                                                  ...tool

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                                                                                                    Posted 25 August 2010 - 01:52 PM

                                                                                                    http://imgur.com/x8jxV.jpg

                                                                                                    Should do the trick.

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                                                                                                      Posted 25 August 2010 - 02:30 PM

                                                                                                      We're trying to get him not to post dude..

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                                                                                                        Posted 25 August 2010 - 02:46 PM

                                                                                                        http://www.geekologie.com/2009/07/30/pika-1.jpg

                                                                                                        Theeeere we go.

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                                                                                                          Posted 25 August 2010 - 03:37 PM

                                                                                                          http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1221/wdscatapproves.jpg

                                                                                                          Good job sir.

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                                                                                                            Posted 25 August 2010 - 03:43 PM

                                                                                                            I want to know why zeph had the cock cake picture on such quick demand.

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                                                                                                              Posted 25 August 2010 - 04:49 PM

                                                                                                              http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2695/1244376910388.jpg PS3 has
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                                                                                                                Posted 25 August 2010 - 05:11 PM

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                                                                                                                I want to know why zeph had the cock cake picture on such quick demand.

                                                                                                                It's not mine.

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                                                                                                                  Posted 25 August 2010 - 05:40 PM

                                                                                                                  freepost

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                                                                                                                    Posted 25 August 2010 - 05:42 PM

                                                                                                                    A buddy of mine ordered a PS3 like a month or two ago and it still hasn't arrived. It's weeks late. He bought games in anticipation for its arrival but still doesn't have it yet.


                                                                                                                    He has a good sense of humour, though. He recognizes the irony in the fact he has gaems but no PS3.

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                                                                                                                      Posted 25 August 2010 - 06:13 PM

                                                                                                                      I'm thinking about selling my PS3. After I beat UC2 I haven't really played it, and there aren't any games coming up that I really want.

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                                                                                                                        Posted 25 August 2010 - 06:51 PM

                                                                                                                        When you sell it you should buy my iPod touch.

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                                                                                                                          Posted 25 August 2010 - 08:53 PM

                                                                                                                          I'm thinking about using the money to go towards expanding my classic collection.

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                                                                                                                            Posted 25 August 2010 - 08:54 PM

                                                                                                                            classic movies? albums? issues of playboy?

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