[Blink]

Its too bad really, but, we need a filter on GSW. Micheal578 has ruined it for us I think, but at the same time, it's good we noticed it before the beta. Here are some pics first...
http://www.get--a--life.com/OTHER/gsw9.PNG
http://www.get--a--life.com/OTHER/gsw10.PNG
Kind of proving the point a bit more. Anyways, GSW needs an offencive language filter I think, removing phrases such as "is/are ***" and "**** you", not something that would hinder conversations about being *** and whatnot, or whether or not hell exists or not, but actual offencive phrases, that way, it won't hinder talk about such subjects in GSW. I know Mods will help solve this, but maybe we need something for the Mods to use as an autopilot when they're away.

[Mallick]

I have two videos of him, too. I almost got my recorder open in time to get one of him saying "PRICK", and "ASSHOLE", but, I was too late, so I had to settle for "*** boy", and "Shut it"...

[Luke]

As little as swearing offends me, i do agree. There are those in the world of GS who do not approve of coarse language.

However, this would take alot of time to program, going through every swear word in the world and replacing them with ********'s(no specific word input)

[lifeform287]

I was right there when he started. And he said he didn't do anything :P

And, Blink, did you HAVE to get HIM in the pic?

[Blink]

sorry, didn't see him, gone now.

[lifeform287]

Thank you for removin him. I think i'm allergic to Agatios like you said.

[Nobody]

I'm not sure how Max can put this up, but I 100% agree. Ii just isn't right to let those people ruin it for the younger users here.

[TobiasMar]

Man, why do some n00bs have to ruin it for younger people by saying things in innapropreate language? :P
I DEFINATELY suggest that the offense filter should be up. Filter all cusswords exept for the D-word and the H-word and filter any word having to do with very offensive or innapropreate definitions.

[Someone Else]

There was actually a discussion on this before for previous server tests, but I agree.

Before Max didn't want to put them in because there are always going to be a way to get around filters, but really, putting in a filter could only prove good, so I don't see why one shouldn't be implemented.

[TobiasMar]

Well, I think we desperately need them now, cuz there are n00bs at GSW who are swearing alot. I just caught Rufus doing it. Look at the attachment.

[Crimson Barrel Knight]

It's not just that there are ways around filters. Action script is a very complex language in Flash (yes, GSW was made from Flash), and there isn't really any code nor tag that can just plop a filter right in. All you guys are wishing for is an impossible dream.

[Kyogrefan2]

Maybe they should have like a server police to control the place, and if people are cursing, then the police could ban them for like a month or so?

[Crimson Barrel Knight]

Flash doesn't really have capabilities for a moderated environment. I've heard a thing or two about "banning" a certain player from the game, but that's all I know.

[TobiasMar]

Well, Silo, maybe it won't be impossible, but just complicated to add a GSW word filter.

[Blink]

well, it couldn't be that hard to have at every text input something that said "replace all ---- with ****" so that it would simply show them as **** instead of whatever they were. Then again, action script is a unique language...

[Crimson Barrel Knight]

Gimli the Great, on Apr 1 2005, 08:44 PM, said:

Well, Silo, maybe it won't be impossible, but just complicated to add a GSW word filter.

It truly is impossible (and please don't call me Silo). But just saying that would be a tad fruitless. It is probable, but, of course, Flash does have its limitations.

[Blink]

oh come now, all programing has variable IF THENs dont they? Can action script REALLY be THAT different that it couldn't do a simple input analasis?

[golden_djiin]

*looks at picture/*my god,michael is the *** one......man,why does everyone dis evan?

[Max]

CBK, if you really intend to be a developer in any language, you must remove the word "impossible" from your vocabulary. A filter is very easy in fact to program, but the problem is that anyone of reasonable intelligence can get past filters.

Nevertheless, as you may have heard me mention in other threads, we are going to have member-moderation, which basically means that if a majority of the people online at a given time want to "kick" a certain user, then that user will be kicked. That way there doesn't have to be a moderator present, and it also prevents abuse because you have to have the majority. More details on that when the beta comes out.

But for now, I'm afraid we are just going to have to live with it. I completely understand your concern, and I don't like it any more than anyone else, but there's not much I can do at this point.

[Neon]

it sounds great in theory, but couldn't groups of friends abuse it easily?
and if a moderator is present, their decision should have more influence, or override all other votes.

Maybe people can be ranked, and their judgement can have more influence. Like, a n00b's vote counts a one. senior votes count as 2, etc.
and people can be 'suspended' from voting by mods. That would make the votes more reliable. I doubt someone of 'senior' status would be as compelled to kick undeserving people as a n00b.

[Nobody]

Max, on Apr 1 2005, 09:42 PM, said:

CBK, if you really intend to be a developer in any language, you must remove the word "impossible" from your vocabulary. A filter is very easy in fact to program, but the problem is that anyone of reasonable intelligence can get past filters.

Max said exactly what I was trying to say earlier in this thread. For you who don't understand what I mean, they can replace an "i" with a "!", for example, and get around the filter.

[Warbird]

Well if someone choses to go around it and others dont like it, they start the member-moderation Max mentioned earlier.

I do support the filter, btw.

[Elliott]

I can't imagine in being THAT complicated. And of course it's needed, with any online game there are always trouble makers, this filter would hopefull stop the younger players from seeing vulgar and inapropriate language.

[~RangerOfFire~]

People could still bypass the filter.

EG: words for ****: ****, fuk, fu-ck, f|_|ck, f-uck, f.u.c.k ......

[Blink]

So, how about a filter AND a voting system, but you can only make one vote every twenty minutes? That sounds reasonable to me.

[Elliott]

So we can vote people out of GSW? That sounds good.

[Someone Else]

~RangerOfFire~, on Jun 2 2005, 06:10 AM, said:

People could still bypass the filter.

EG: words for ****: ****, fuk, fu-ck, f|_|ck, f-uck, f.u.c.k ......

I still say, it's better to have a filter rather than not having it though.

[Elliott]

True, it would stop the obvious ones. If people are stupid enough to bypass then they should get banned.

[Blink]

Most people who are smart enough will just switch to frick. If they're really so intent on swearing that they bypass it though, that's when they should get kicked. Oh, and Agatio, it wouldn't be a permanent ban. First time would be for twenty minutes(enough time to get new voting power) second time for fourty minutes, and third time for an hour. If they got banned after that, it would be an hour each time, or a permaban.

[Elliott]

No point only having time bans, people would keep coming back. I thik 20 min, 40 min, 1 hour, then a permanant ban would suffice.

[Mathak Kraven]

We could make a form of report thread for all people misusing the GSW and placing blocks on foul language can happen.

[Elliott]

That's smart. A pinned topic where people report usernames as well as offenses.

[Someone Else]

Yeah, but we had a topic like that before, remember? It really didn't work out. Looks as if it got deleted... that's how bad it turned out.

[Blink]

That's because it was started out of anger. This one would be started before any issues popped up, and someone would give it set rules and whatnot.

[Elliott]

If an admin starts the thread and clearly states rules, and the structure of posting etc. It will be fine, just don't allow discussion in that thread.

[Max]

Just to chime in here: Yes, there will be a filter for swear words and there will be some kind of reporting/moderation system. The logistics and implementation are yet to be determined, but I can assure you we will try to do our best to keep GSW clean and under control.

[l3lueMage]

you should have something that logs what everyone says, so people cant report randomly and say he did do something and get banned...

[Max]

l3lueMage, we do log every single word, map change, and login for every user already. I was working on scripts that can pick out sets of data out of the logs, which should allow us to recreate conversations and user activity. Now obviously we won't be going through the logs unless someone gives us a report, cause that's a helluva lot of data to just go through on a whim. But like I said before, there will be some sort of moderation and reporting system in place.

[Eothain]

i do think that a report thread should be made, which would require some kind of screenshot as proof... but i'm against a word filter... i already said all my reasons when this was previously brought up in some other thread...i think a report thread is all that's needed...

[pHantOm]

Long as you think before you post, I dont see how you would even care if it was made. If anything it would help. Although...it might start a whole issue with people having grudges.

[Eothain]

well...you see...i didn't mention any of the "reasons" in my previous post, cause I had done it, as I specified, in some other suggestion thread before. But, to give you an example, sometimes, when you're telling jokes, you need one of those "special words" to make it funnier...or put simply, the use of such words is needed in certain occasions to be able to make a conversation humorous... of course, many people would not agree with me, as they find any usage of "unproper" words offensive no matter what the circumstances...what i think, is that most of the users in GSW are too uptight... IMHO they need to relax a bit and let everyone enjoy themselves...then comes the part i mentioned in my previous post, the "all we need is a report thread" part... if someone uses bad language in an attempt to actually offend/"hurt" anyone, then you can report that person along with a screenshot as proof...but if it's not used offensively...then everyone can have a good time...of course, not if they implement the filter...

[Blink]

I usually think of GSS as a clean forum. It's very nice, proper and all that. Even the color themes are all light. If I want to swear in madness, I know plenty of other forums.

[Eothain]

isn't this thread about a word filter in GSW? maybe that's what you meant when you said "GSS"...but anyways...i never said that a filter should not be put in GSW in order to let people swear their butts off...i NEVER said that...it's just that people have that misconception of what's in my posts

[Blink]

Ah, ok. Sorry, I meant that since GSS is a nice, clean forum, and GSW is a big part of GSS, I feel the community ought to act the same in GSW as they do in GSS. Eh, aside from the whole chat room insanity thing.

And yeah, sometimes swearing is fine if it's in context(Bible says "Mary rode in on her ass"), and sometimes it's just something you let slide, so I guess filter + voting system = what we need?