[Izar]

Ok, Capital punishment is the death penalty. I could have swore there was a topic by me, but it's no where in between page 1-7, so I guess i'll make one a new.

Are yo for or against it? I will not reveal if I am for or against it, so You will have to decide. Is it morally just, or revenge?

Here's two sites, Pro and Con, of the death penalty.

-For-
http://www.wesleylowe.com/cp.html
http://www.carmical....athpenalty.html
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com

-Against-
http://www.creativeideasforyou.com/no_capi...punishment.html
http://www.ccadp.org/jayneill.htm
http://www.mcadp.org...houldnthave.htm

[Platinum Sun]

Pansys that say no are why we have over-crowded prison systems. If you killed someone, you should be killed back.

[Eugine]

Capital punishment isn't needed IMO. What's the point killing them, leave them in jail to pay for their crime in this lifetime =)

[Echo_djinn]

I can't say I am against it or for it. I am neutral on this topic. If someone killed one of my family members I would want the same to happen to him. Though I would want to pop a cap in his ass it wouldn't bring my dead family member back.

[Gardna]

Eugine, on Sep 5 2005, 01:26 PM, said:

Capital punishment isn't needed IMO. What's the point killing them, leave them in jail to pay for their crime in this lifetime =)

I agree. Maybe the sentenced people don't think so, but staying in prison for cca. 50 years is much better punishment that simple death.

[cyberRoll]

well i dont know ho w to explain this but maybe some cases aare acidents?
for example a really long time ago there was a stage actor that took one of the guns that go for a while and then lose thier lethal ability. So when him and another actor were playing around back stage he took the gun and started playing with it then put it to his head and said heh heh look i'm gunna kill myself then shot himself with the gun. but since he wasnt shot at long range he died.

Maybe if some one was using one of those guns but shot someone at too close a range they would accedentally kill someone.

But in other cases when they killl someone on pupose SCREW THEM!!. they deserve to die.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Well I rather get killed than sitting in a jail for like 30 years and come back with no one left who cares about you and the whole world has changed. I would say no. Killing people for thier misdeeds is what cave men did a very long time ago... Just let them rot in jail I say.

[TheEnglishman]

DiddyKong, on Sep 5 2005, 08:18 PM, said:

Killing people for thier misdeeds is what cave men did a very long time ago... Just let them rot in jail I say.

I agree. I mean if someone was killed for what they did then that would be it. They would just be gone. But if they were left alive then they have the weight of their crime on them everyday of their life.

[Eugine]

Yes let them enjoy the rath of man rather than just sitting in their grave having a peacful sleep :)

[cyberRoll]

a bit cruel Eugine kinda scary. i would rather die then be released wouldnt you? Even if it was a sloww death like drowning or the poison air locked chamber.

[Eothain]

i say kill'em. They KILLED someone, and tax payers' money is maintaining those save the Queens in prison. BEsides, there's the overcrowding issue. So yah, lethal injection for'em.

[Andross]

Platinum Sun, on Sep 4 2005, 07:32 AM, said:

Pansys that say no are why we have over-crowded prison systems. If you killed someone, you should be killed back.

Eothain, on Sep 5 2005, 01:56 PM, said:

i say kill'em. They KILLED someone, and tax payers' money is maintaining those save the Queens in prison. BEsides, there's the overcrowding issue.  So yah, lethal injection for'em.

I'm not necessarily against the death penalty, but folks, it's CHEAPER to imprison that person than death by lethal injection, and murderers are not overcrowding prison. Do your research, or get ranted at by my annoyance with ignorance.

There are approx. 10,000 murders a year by firearm ( http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir). Burglary, assault, and drug offenses account for almost all of the criminals in jails, w/burglary and assault crimes reaching 4,000,000 offenses in 1999 ( http://www.nationmas...graph-T/cri_bur , http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_ass). There are often cases which result in questionable sentences (too long of a sentence, when community service is better for example) and because of how slow the legal system works, cases which should take no time at all sit around for months at a time. That eats up your tax dollars, not keeping a murderer in jail.

I think heinious crimes should be submitted to a chance of death penalty, but I personally feel that the criminal suffers more if he's locked up in a cell with nothing to do for the rest of his life (as death would be much more welcome in that case). And as said before, it's cheaper to stick them in jail.

[Eothain]

well...you're basically saying that keeping them in prison is cheaper than not having them there? i'm not saying it's impossible, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.And pardon me for being "so ignorant".

[Eugine]

How is it cheaper really? Just take a gun and shoot them =). Or simply bring back hanging. Much cheaper than keeping them there.

[Andross]

Eothain, on Sep 5 2005, 02:24 PM, said:

well...you're basically saying that keeping them in prison is cheaper than not having them there? i'm not saying it's impossible, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.And pardon me for being "so ignorant".

It's the chemicals for the injection, as well as case costs, and by the laws of the Constitution, gunning someone down would be cruel and unusual, as well as unethical. And this was stated in the last topic for this one by Max. Informative link on capital cases > http://www.deathpena...?did=108&scid=7.

[Echo_djinn]

So killing someone for the sake of him killing another. Just seems like a bunch of more killing. In Canada we have no death penalty so it's just a 25 years sentence to life.

[Eugine]

Although I say bring back hanging (if CP is reinstated), but if it isn't (which I find better). Put them in jail. Feed them 3 times a day with military food also make them bathe together, NO PRIVACY WHAT SO EVER.
You interact with fellow criminals once a day, and no speaking w/ soever outside that time.

No games, you don't wear no underwear, just the suite. Alot more evil punishments ^^

Ofcourse that would never happen.

[Platinum Sun]

Yeah, that'll never happen. If we had that kind of leeway I'd campaign for for the return of crucifiction.

[Izar]

cyberRoll, on Sep 5 2005, 02:52 PM, said:

a bit cruel Eugine kinda scary. i would rather die then be released wouldnt you? Even if it was a sloww death like drowning or the poison air locked chamber.

The Gas Chamber only takes 4 minutes, not like 30 minutes as many say. And sometimes the person dies faster. I think it's Ohio that uses the Gas Chamber.

We Texans used to use the Electric Chair, then, we went to lethal injection.

And Eugine, Military food aint so bad. At least they got M%Ms and tabasco sauce. :)

ED, 25 years? That's not that long, people have gone outta jail in 25 years and struck again. :D

[Neo]

Here in the netherlands, a Life Time jail is 20 year. Every jail has a tv, clean bed, toilet and good food. They have lots of free hours in the courtyard etc etc... So "rot in jail" wouldn't really fit here in the Netherlands, that's why I voted Yes. I would rather have them killed then have a good life in jail for 20 years...

[Gardna]

But the jails in f.e. America aren't like that, so "rotting in jail" is much worse.

[Andross]

As Gardna said, jails here tend to be boring and crude. Bed, bathroom, table, and that's it. That's what the mid to max security prisons have. Low security has other privledges, but this is about heinious crimes, not petty theft.

[Sea of Time]

I think that if you killed someone, you deserve to die as well. If you only injure them, than you should pay the price with jail time. Therefore, I do believe in capital punishment.

[Elliott]

^ I agree with that.

Punishments like community service do nothing to crims. If someone commits a crime, they should be locked a way in a dark, cold cell. When I say crime, I mean bad crims though. Petty theft, j walking, or something like that then the punishment should be lighter.

For muder/manslaughter, of any degree, then they should be killed themselves, though more painfully. That way it would be sending message to others thinking of doing the same.

[Eugine]

I agree with the latter part Agatio, you need to send a message to other potential killers out there, why not to kill, cause if they find you, you darn know how painful your death will be.

[Sea of Time]

Criminals today don't care about jail, they just see it as a road block. In all honesty, it probably isn't as bad. Criminals just figure if they kill someone, they only have to go to jail and if they have to go back, it wouldn't be so bad.

[Elliott]

Neo_Genesis, on Sep 10 2005, 09:32 PM, said:

Here in the netherlands, a Life Time jail is 20 year. Every jail has a tv, clean bed, toilet and good food. They have lots of free hours in the courtyard etc etc... So "rot in jail" wouldn't really fit here in the Netherlands, that's why I voted Yes. I would rather have them killed then have a good life in jail for 20 years...

Though one could argue it's not about punishment, but about keeping them out of society. I do agree with you though.

[Kewne]

If you kill someone then you should be killed. But what about the guy giving the injection, shouldn't he be killed?

Anyway, I think that being locked up until you die, or for a very long time, is a better punishment that killing you.

[Elliott]

Kewne, on Sep 13 2005, 11:51 PM, said:

If you kill someone then you should be killed. But what about the guy giving the injection, shouldn't he be killed?

No. He is doing justice, and it's his job. Also, he's not a cold blooded killer, he is employed to put down criminals, just like a vet.

[Sea of Time]

Kewne, on Sep 13 2005, 06:51 AM, said:

If you kill someone then you should be killed. But what about the guy giving the injection, shouldn't he be killed?

He shouldn't be killed because he is carrying out orders. However, he may have picked his job wrong because when he dies he'll probably go to hell due to divine intervention.

[Aquamarine]

Although I wouldn't be sad if a murderer was killed, I agree with you guys and think that being locked up for ever more is a greater punishment. I mean, I think I would go crazy! :)

[I'm Always BROKE]

Yeah I would go like that to that I wished I was dead.
The worst punnishment is being locked up forever in this kinda sound free cell. No connection with others and no more daylight and your only food is dry bread with water.

[Golden Legacy]

Big topic, I thought it was worth the revival (and I reset the poll).

Somehow, the concept of Capital Punishment is not something I can understand... taking someone else's life just because they've done so too? I feel as though we'd be dropping ourselves to that level. I don't know, it's just something that I don't feel quite right about.

[Ironsight]

I am for the Death Penalty. Killing another person is one of the worst crimes posible, besides killing a bunch of people. Keeping people like that alive just fills up Correctional Facilties with unessesary space.

[Quacnar]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 27 2007, 03:05 PM, said:

Big topic, I thought it was worth the revival (and I reset the poll).

Somehow, the concept of Capital Punishment is not something I can understand... taking someone else's life just because they've done so too? I feel as though we'd be dropping ourselves to that level. I don't know, it's just something that I don't feel quite right about.

Someone has been reviving a lot of threads lately. Anyways, I agree there is something about the death penalty that makes me feel uncompfterable(spelled wrong). Riddle me this, Who would want to be the guy giving the lethal injection?

[Caael]

I'm for capital punishment. I think that the only way for somebody to be properly punished for their crimes is to murder them right back. Call me sick, but this is how I think justice works. The person would be able to choose how they die, by injection, the chair, or hanging, and he would have a last meal of his choice. If somebody is put in prison, I dont think justice has been served and it's not suitable, but a fate worse than death like having no light, no human contact, just alone with nothing apart from bread and water. That's overkill, and the only way for somebody to be properly punished is have the same fate done to them.

The executioners aren't murderers because it's all in the name of doing what is right. It's basically euthanasia, which despite being illegal, is the right thing to do.

[Aquamarine]

I've been thinking about this, and I'm very much for the death penalty, but... Wouldn't spending your whole life in jail or a correctional facility be more agonizing to those people? If so, then it's better to put them there and let them rot. Then again, in my opinion some murders are completely justified, so this is a very complicated and delicate question...

[Folcon]

But for some people, prison is a step up in lifestyle. You get a bed, three meals a day, and a shower. There are people that live on the streets that would love that.

Anyway, I too am for capital punishment. And not just murders. I say pedophiles, child molesters, and rapeists should all be exicuted. They'll never change, put them down and end the danger to socity.

[Caael]

Water Dude, on Nov 28 2007, 06:54 PM, said:

I've been thinking about this, and I'm very much for the death penalty, but... Wouldn't spending your whole life in jail or a correctional facility be more agonizing to those people? If so, then it's better to put them there and let them rot. Then again, in my opinion some murders are completely justified, so this is a very complicated and delicate question...

Why inflict something worse than death on somebody who doesn't deserve it? If it's just one murder, then death penalty is sufficient, but if it's like genocide or a serial killer, then the rotting in a cell is sufficient.


And Escout, is killing somebody who cant help being in love with children really justified? It's almost as bad as killing *** people. Unless its true love towards the child, and not just perversion, then you cant persecute them for that.

[Eugine]

Can't remember my previous views held in this topic, but here's my current opinions. I'm sure they have changed.

I against capital punishment.
I believe the methods used (including the lethal injection in developed countries) are ineffective, and barbaric. Ineffective because there are numerous stories with injections going terribly wrong. Victims suffering before death because the administors wrongly pinpointed the vein. Also, just picture hanging and electrocution, and you'll see how barbaric it is.

Secondly, the court system isn't perfect. Why take someone life bacause a human said so. We aren't perfect and make mistakes. With the advancement of DNA testing many who received the guilty virdict were proven innocent after spending years in jail, or worse dead. Do you really want to take the chance? I surely wouldn't.
Maybe in a few years something even more precise than DNA can change those innocent back to guilty... We don't know.

Also, people change. We are humans. Our thoughts and opinions constantly change with experience and reasoning. I wholeheartedly believe with time people change. I can personally say that I have changed with time. Can't you say the same? Why deny someone that chance? There are people who regret their past decisions sincerely. I think their life could be put to better use than death...

[Ironsight]

Just because somebody regrets doing something doesn't mean they get instantly forgiven. If some guy killed your family. Would you forgive him?


escout: You're absolutely right. Not only that, but you also get a free education as well. This is prison, people are supposed to not want to go there.

[Eugine]

No I wouldn't. I will though, fight to make sure they spend their entire life behind bars though, not kill them.

[Blue]

I think Capital Punishment should actually be extended to some other crimes. Rape is one of them.

[Moonear]

Spending your entire life behind bars can be worse than death in some cases. People can go out of their mind when they are cooped up in a cell for countless hours with crappy food and nothing to do. I believe that serial killers, murderers and rapists won't change and if they ever get out of jail, then they'll just do it again.

[Ironsight]

Theres plenty of stuff to do in prison. Like said earlier, they get education, they work out, they fight...

[Golden Legacy]

Then you don't consider life in prison, trapped within the confines of a dull, morbid complex for the rest of your years without ever having your freedom back, to be a worthy substitute for death? I would think there are worse things than just being executed in a quick, usually painless second.

[Drizzy Drake]

That's one of the few problems I have with Canada. I mean, people like Paul Benardo deserve to die. And even if they can't give him the death penalty, give him what he has been asking for the past 5 years. Let him go into General Population. He gets what he wants. Society gets what they want. And Kingston doesn't have a low life ****** like him in their prison, which, costs an extra 300,000$ a year, to keep HIM in their. So 300,000$ of our tax dollars a year are spent on this peice of ****. Send him to GP. Let him get killed in the first minute on the yard. Serves him right.

Sorry, I'm done ranting now.

[Eugine]

I'm against capital punishment, not because of its morality, but due to the inconsistencies in the justice system, and the abuse of it. There are countries which use the death penalty because of political opposition, and religious disobedience. Do you believe someone should die for those reasons?
With the countless amout of bad justice, do you think it's right to kill someone?

About two decades ago, a fifteen year old was sentenced to life in prison because he 'murdered' a lady. Recently they revised the case and found inconsistencies in the case, and now he is having retrial. If he is found innocent now, the state would have simply killed someone wrongfully, and they would have ended his life prematurely. I think it's unfair to do so ;_;
No one should be able to decide if someone live or die. Life is God given, and no one but God should be able to take it away from us, no matter how terrible the crime is.

And, not being religious, but these quotes are fantastic, and helps me to stand firmly against the capital punishment.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Gandhi

"Everyone fears punishment; everyone fears death, just as you do. Therefore do not kill or cause to kill. Everyone fears punishment; everyone loves life, as you do. Therefore do not kill or cause to kill." - Bhudda

You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also" You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you... - Jesus

Oh btw, Skid, what exactly did Paul Benardo do?

[Quacnar]

Giving the goverment the right to KILL its people is a very dangerous thing to do.

[kate]

Yeah, just watch Prison Break

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>.>

(is such a geek)

Really though I'm so undecided on this issue. Which is rare for me *cough* On the one hand I don't think anyone has the right to decide who lives and who dies, and it just brings us down to the murderers level. On the other hand it is costing us alot of money to keep them alive, money that could be spent on education or health care. Sooo...I dunno. I say ship 'em to the South Pole and let the penguins deal with them :)

[Caael]

Ugh, just looked up bernardo on wiki. What a sick *******. He's the kinda person who needs to be killed right away.

Only serious crimes should involve the death sentance, ones where you cannot get confused with, like genocide and serial killings.

[kate]

Well what if it was a huge set up and they find out after they've executed him that he didn't really do it.

I know, slim chance, but still.

Really what's the difference between killing a guilty person and killing a innocent one. It just still seems wrong.

[Drizzy Drake]

Ya just Wiki Bernardo. He's ****ed. And the worst part about the whole thing wasn't even the crimes. So him and his GF rape 6 people, kill 2 of them. They are both on trail, but she is only on trial for assisting in capturing the ladies, not actually the murder or the rape, so she cops a plea, gets 12 years, then a month later they find tapes of the crimes, which shows that she fully raped half of the girls, and slit the throat of one of them, I believe. So now she's out, and is a psychiatrist. Who the **** would want to have her as their psychiatrist.

So I'm having feelings of rapeing and killing alot of people.

O rly, well, I can help with that.


2 more girls dead.