Immigration Laws for the U.S.
#1
Posted 10 April 2006 - 08:54 PM
so is it right that the U.S. puts people who cross ilegaly in jail? or do they have a right to be here? discuss.
#2
Posted 10 April 2006 - 09:33 PM
Secondly, they're crossing ILLEGALLY. Think of the consequences for doing something illegal. Hmm. Maybe jail-time?
#3
Posted 10 April 2006 - 10:28 PM
This post has been edited by lightningstar: 10 April 2006 - 10:29 PM
#4
Posted 10 April 2006 - 11:58 PM
#5
Posted 11 April 2006 - 01:52 AM
The majority of crime in the world comes from Mexico, why bring them to your country?
Anyway, some people argue that the Mexicans acquire jobs Americans reject, filling the gap of the American economy, then what's so hard with heading to an embassy showing them your situation?
#6
Posted 11 April 2006 - 05:46 AM
Eugine and PDM can't have a real opinion since they're not in the US firstly.
Okay, think of it this way. It's not JUST the Mexicans, it effects most everyone who live in the US and those that wish to come to the US. It takes a very, very, very long time to get to the US the legal way, and a lot of people trying to get to the US need to get here fast; particularily Asian people and Indian people. Also try to remember that not all people who migrate illegally are bad people, although it might seem that way.
From what I know, I don't think it's the illegal immigration laws that need to be boosted, it's the immigration system itself.
#7
Posted 11 April 2006 - 10:19 AM
Anyways, this immigration thing is stupid. Of course it should be passed. One would think ILLEGAL immigration should be MADE ILLEGAL. They don't even have to pay taxes. We, the normal citizens, pay for them. Go to jail, you hoozies.
#8
Posted 11 April 2006 - 04:56 PM
#9
Posted 11 April 2006 - 11:53 PM
On the news a fair bit ago they analysed the requirements to become a citizen here compared to the states, the UK and Canada. I think the states they need English and a bit of knowledge about history. To enter Australia they don't even have to pass an English test.
Last point, my friend moved here from South Africa. He had to live in New Zealand for 4 years before they could live here, compared too illegally coming in and refusing to leave.
#10
Posted 12 April 2006 - 01:39 AM
#11
Posted 12 April 2006 - 03:49 AM
Bull****
Stay in your own God damn country and live like a poor hobo there instead of in the US.
Although, not sure if you little ones know but the illegals actually help our economy. They keep our oranges at under a dollar, they keep all foods cheap.
Cheap Labor=Lower Prices on the goods
So they HELP the economy, but they also are costing Americans jobs. So its how you look at it. But one things for sure, I say it should be martial law on the boarder. Shoot any immagrant thats jumping a fence on sight, thats my opinion.
#12
Posted 12 April 2006 - 05:33 AM
#13
Posted 12 April 2006 - 05:45 AM
watch, on Apr 12 2006, 07:33 AM, said:
Obviously you dont know what happened do you?
Do you know how much crimes such as murders, rapes, theft and other things happen because of the illegals? I I lived on the boarder of California for a long time. I saw the sh*t that happens because of it, my dads a cop and he lost a friend because a illegal had a gun when he robbed a thift shop.
Real cool huh?
So for all you forgeiners, you dont know sh*t.
#14
Posted 12 April 2006 - 07:15 AM
#15
Posted 12 April 2006 - 07:31 AM
Lifeform288, on Apr 12 2006, 09:15 AM, said:
I intend to move to Canada when I am older.
#16
Posted 12 April 2006 - 11:53 AM
#17
Posted 12 April 2006 - 01:37 PM
pHantOm, on Apr 12 2006, 09:45 PM, said:
Do you know how much crimes such as murders, rapes, theft and other things happen because of the illegals? I I lived on the boarder of California for a long time. I saw the sh*t that happens because of it, my dads a cop and he lost a friend because a illegal had a gun when he robbed a thift shop.
Real cool huh?
So for all you forgeiners, you dont know sh*t.
I realize I know very little of the effect illegal immagrants have in America. I was merely surprised because I don't think I've ever seen such an outburst from you.
#18
Posted 12 April 2006 - 02:26 PM
watch, on Apr 12 2006, 03:37 PM, said:
Yeah I did reply quite harshly, but only because we lost a friend about 8 years back because of an illegal robbing a thrift shop for some cash. So, I guess my opinion is very harsh.
#19
Posted 12 April 2006 - 03:43 PM
Would type more but must go.
#20
Posted 12 April 2006 - 11:44 PM
Basicaly, I don't like illegal imigrants. Mainly the mexican ones. But even some of them are nice, and just glad to be in a place where people aren't telling them what to think, or something like that. Though I don't know if my neighbors are illeagals, but I presume they came the legal way, or were born here.
#21
Posted 13 April 2006 - 08:32 AM
I just thought I'd start this out with a stupid Bush quote. Anyways, it is a whole lot easier to get into Canada then it is to get into the U.S. This is mostly because we are welcoming to immigrants because of our multicultural policy. Also, there are a lack of specialized jobs and we need more people to fill those jobs.
As for the American policy, I think they are justly hard because illegal immigration is wrong. Mexicans should not just be able to live here because they "hopped the fence".
#22
Posted 14 April 2006 - 10:00 AM
I do think we should give people more chances to become citizens, but that we should be more strict about actually preventing anyone from getting over the border without some kind of temporary pass. We don't want people coming over that hope to constantly rob the "filthy rich Americans" like Phantom's case, but at the same time, I myself know a few illegal immigrants that are my classmates, and because they had to work to get into the school I'm in, are learning all the good morals our school teaches( it's a catholic school run by Jesuits), and pay a very expensive tuition, or have earned the trust, respect and help of my school, I really respect them for that. The ones I know are good guys, they all try to do the best they can in their classes, and I think that there's a good portion of immigrants that are harderworking that we are.
So, it's a fine balance between good and bad. I don't think that all illegal immigrants run around shooting people, but I don't think they're all perfect either. Choose what you will, but I still think that we should have some way to make it easier to get in legally, with some form of temporary "trust" pass. (and yes, I realize that would be near impossible to do)
#23
Posted 14 April 2006 - 04:40 PM
"we didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!"
first off, let me start by saying how FLAWED that was. If you were around when america BOUGHT the territory, you could've moved or stayed and became american. Thats another concept. BUYING what you own. people think they can waltz across the border for free, steal someones Identity, and live off our taxes. that right there is laziness and lack of morals. if we have a flood of people like that, come into our country, who's gonna stop it? before you know it, it'll have poisoned the rest of america.
another thing I find idotic, is why the heck they come over here, only to turn around and burn one of our flags during their little protest. its like saying "I want to come here so I can say america is stupid."
if these people lack common sense, why the hell should we let them in?
#24
Posted 09 August 2006 - 02:58 PM
Mr.T, on Apr 13 2006, 01:44 AM, said:
Basicaly, I don't like illegal imigrants. Mainly the mexican ones. But even some of them are nice, and just glad to be in a place where people aren't telling them what to think, or something like that. Though I don't know if my neighbors are illeagals, but I presume they came the legal way, or were born here.
lightningstar, on Apr 14 2006, 06:40 PM, said:
"we didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!"
first off, let me start by saying how FLAWED that was. If you were around when america BOUGHT the territory, you could've moved or stayed and became american. Thats another concept. BUYING what you own. people think they can waltz across the border for free, steal someones Identity, and live off our taxes. that right there is laziness and lack of morals. if we have a flood of people like that, come into our country, who's gonna stop it? before you know it, it'll have poisoned the rest of america.
another thing I find idotic, is why the heck they come over here, only to turn around and burn one of our flags during their little protest. its like saying "I want to come here so I can say america is stupid."
if these people lack common sense, why the hell should we let them in?
I agree with both of these statements. In what way does an illegal immigrant deserve (and even demand) the same rights as those citizens who've had to work hard just to live and provide themselves and their families a decent life?
Just the very fact that the US isn't doing more to remove and deport immigrants should be enough.
#25
Posted 11 August 2006 - 12:58 AM
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The problem with the Mexicans that migrate here, is that most of them, once they get here, feel like us US citizens owe them everything. They're stuck up, don't pay taxes, and worst of all, they get mad when they're being taught stuff, like how to speak english, or they get mad from something else and bring guns to school. Though I only say MOST of them, cause I know some fairly nice people who are mexican. I even have a family of mexicans as neighbors, who I have known for probably 5 years.
Basicaly, I don't like illegal imigrants. Mainly the mexican ones. But even some of them are nice, and just glad to be in a place where people aren't telling them what to think, or something like that. Though I don't know if my neighbors are illeagals, but I presume they came the legal way, or were born here.
Your first paragraph says "mexicans that migrate" here. It should say "Illegal immagrants that come here illegaly". I meen I am part mexican. My step-mom is a migrate from mexico. I have no problem with mexicans migrating here legally. Its when They do it illegaly is when it is wrong. And as for that stupid day without a latino...that was stupid. We are not racist againts latinos, its just that most of the [u]ILLEGAL immagrants are latino. If you want to get in america thats great, there is a legal way to do it. And learn the language of the land.
#26
Posted 11 August 2006 - 01:04 AM
#27
Posted 11 August 2006 - 10:39 AM
#28
Posted 11 August 2006 - 10:42 AM
#29
Posted 12 August 2006 - 03:01 PM
#30
Posted 12 August 2006 - 03:30 PM
What immigrants don't know is that all the great stuff we get (healthcare, hospitals, public school etc.) is paid for by taxes. They think that it's free because...
When illegal immigrants use these services without paying the taxes that fund them, it puts a terrible strain on our governmant's logistical system. (That's why Medicaid and social security are in the toilet, and one of many contributing factors to our $6Trillion+ National debt.) Illegal immigrants are getting a free ride is here because legal immigrants and other citizens are paying for it.
#31
Posted 12 August 2006 - 09:39 PM
And I hate the fact that stupid liberals are saying that they have rights under the contstitution. NO THEY DON'T THEY ARE ILLEGAL. And another point liberals try to make is that they do jobs that americans wont do. Do you really think that america would die because the illegals arent here?
America has a very good citezenship system. You come here legally and go through the process, and only then do you become a citezen.
#32
Posted 12 August 2006 - 10:01 PM
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#33
Posted 01 September 2006 - 05:39 AM
#34
Posted 01 September 2006 - 08:23 AM
#35
Posted 23 September 2006 - 02:17 PM
sibsag, on Sep 1 2006, 04:39 AM, said:
Forced out of their own country? The illegal immagrants aren't forced to hop the border are they?
Yes mexico is not a very good country to live in but as i said before there is a legal way to get into our america. You get in line behind everyone else who actually is trying to become a good citizen of america. and about there human rights so they can be in a safe country....thats bull, they aren't here to be safe, they dont give a damn about america, they don't want to learn the language of the land... all they come here for is the money. They come here to work. They dont care about becoming a citezen.
and about that stupid comment about the jobs that "we fat americans reject." Do you honestly think that without ILLEGAL immagrants that our economy and our country would die? Do you remember that stupid day on may 1st called "the day w.o. a latino" (which by the way is so stupid and ignorant because we are not targeting latinos, we are targeting illegal immagrants who mostly are mexican and are coming through the mexican border) well, america didn't get majorly hurt that day. In fact i think I need another "day without a taco" so that all the bad drivers are off the road, so that i can actually understand the guy working on repairing my home.
The sad thing is is that Bush is not doing a thing about it. He just keeps talking about it, but isn't doing jive.
#36
Posted 24 September 2006 - 07:16 PM
But I agree. They come here, but don't bother to learn the language, OR pay taxes. Since they aren't leagal citizens, they don't show up on the bill collectors list. That is one major reason why they are hurting us. Not only that, but it seems like they come here, to a better country then they were in, just to protest about "how mean we are." They just want to take us over!
#37
Posted 24 September 2006 - 08:03 PM
#38
Posted 24 September 2006 - 08:14 PM
#40
Posted 25 September 2006 - 06:42 AM
Wind Dude, on Sep 22 2006, 08:18 AM, said:
Yes I edited WD's quote.
I agree with the Immigration laws. Australia is currently changing theirs making it more difficult to become a citizen. Gone are the days where Australians are having trouble going about their business because of others.
#41
Posted 25 September 2006 - 07:23 AM
The only thing that seems sensible is to provide a basic English class for all immigrants of a foreign tongue, so that they can handle everyday situations such as asking for directions or buying new clothes.
#42
Posted 25 September 2006 - 08:55 PM
Split Infinity, on Sep 25 2006, 11:23 PM, said:
The only thing that seems sensible is to provide a basic English class for all immigrants of a foreign tongue, so that they can handle everyday situations such as asking for directions or buying new clothes.
Anyone one born in Australia who doesn't know who Don Bradman is should have to listen to Kim Beasly for 15 hours a day. I think it's good they are introducing these new laws Split. English classes at least should be held. And they should know the National Anthem. They should also need to support Collingwood in AFL :P
#43
Posted 27 September 2006 - 06:51 PM
#44
Posted 29 October 2006 - 07:05 AM
#45
Posted 29 October 2006 - 10:50 AM
#46
Posted 29 October 2006 - 01:51 PM
Hotshot101, on Oct 29 2006, 07:19 AM, said:
Bush is doing exactly that.
And I entirely agree with you phantom. They want to give terrorists rights in America, and let illeagals run us into the ground. But that's why everyone else (all the countries who liked Clinton) likes them, because they're hurting America.
#47
Posted 29 October 2006 - 02:07 PM
Most Americans have a pride (it's said in every news network and it's pretty obvious also) to not do "low class work" such as picking fruits, working agricultural lands, door-to-door work and much more. When Americans refuse it, you know who do it? The illegal immigrants who migrate for better conditions. The low class jobs for the Americans now become opportunities for the migrants. They do two to three jobs just to make sure their family from their native country are fed. This helps the American economy greatly. If all illegal immigrants were deported it will hurt the American economy greatly.
That's not all, American businesses has been notorious for hiring illegal immigrants so they won't pay social benefits to the government. That's why the government is now fining businesses who hire illegal workers. Even worse, when the workers reach about fifty years the employers firer them so they won't have to get retiree benefits, and the worker can't complain because he's illegal.
So, remove the illegal immigrants and trust me, your economy will suffer, most government officials know that. If you haven't realise, the black economy usually sums up to a 1/3 of a country's economy.
#48
Posted 29 October 2006 - 02:25 PM
#49
Posted 29 October 2006 - 02:30 PM
Maybe now, you guys don't need them so well, time to "ship" them back.
#50
Posted 29 October 2006 - 02:36 PM
#51
Posted 29 October 2006 - 03:14 PM
#52
Posted 29 October 2006 - 04:21 PM
#53
Posted 29 October 2006 - 05:16 PM
Anyway, I'm repeating myself >.<, said what I gotta' say already.
#54
Posted 29 October 2006 - 08:05 PM
#55
Posted 30 October 2006 - 05:00 AM
So basically, were i to assume the position of an american in this debate, yes i would want them locked up or thrown back out of the country - i dont think its unreasonable.
#56
Posted 30 October 2006 - 09:23 AM
Let me define illegal for you dumbasses.
Illegal
Adj
Definition: Prohibited by law.
Man, thats hard to grasp isnt it?
http://en.wikipedia....gal_immigration
Illegal immigration refers to the illegal immigration of people across national borders in a way that violates the immigration laws of the country of destination.
Tough concept. I dont give a sh*t if that mexican lost his leg trying to get over the boarder, send his ass back as is.
A burgler breaks into a home through a window, falls and breaks his leg. He then SUES the houseowners for his injuries, and WINS. Is that justified? No.
#57
Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:34 AM
#58
Posted 31 October 2006 - 04:09 AM
Anyway, I never said illegal immigrants were right, I simply said it helps the American economy.
The illegality itself helps American businesses compete on the world market, because while they get cheap labour and pay no benefits to workers. Other international businesses pay taxes to their government and provide social benefits.
Who will be able to compete more effectively on the world market? The American businesses. It may not be as rampant as before, but before it helped America, especially in the 1990s.
... but then, like I said, maybe it's time for the government to "kick them out", they don't need manual labour anymore, they have technology...
#59
Posted 31 October 2006 - 08:28 AM
#60
Posted 31 October 2006 - 03:18 PM
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#61
Posted 31 October 2006 - 03:53 PM
Before, educated people migrated illegally and built their way up helping America, but now they remain at home...
So well, I guess its sensible to tighten the laws now, but I still stand with my point. Illegal migrants helped America to become what it is...
#62
Posted 31 October 2006 - 04:34 PM
#63
Posted 31 October 2006 - 06:41 PM
I think Immigration laws need to be tougher. If people cannot answer a few questions about the nations history or at least cannot speak basic english don't let them in. They will just be a burdern. Small fact though, for Australia at least. Our last cenus showed that our child birth population was declining, our population was only increasing becuase of Immigrants.
#64
Posted 31 October 2006 - 09:41 PM
#65
Posted 01 November 2006 - 01:21 AM
#66
Posted 01 November 2006 - 01:47 AM
#67
Posted 01 November 2006 - 07:13 AM
watch, on Nov 1 2006, 04:35 AM, said:
Your opinion
" And it's not just a fence, it has motion sensors, ditches (to keep vehicles from crashing through), sentinel towers with guards, barbed wire, electric wire, and a bunch of other stuff too."
Haha beat that Great Wall of China!