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    Posted 09 December 2006 - 05:25 AM

    This is the new Smash Bros. topic where we will discuss Smash Bros. 64, Melee and Brawl. It's much easier having one official topic then having two or more separate ones. People have been wanting to talk about their favorite Melee fighters in the Brawl topic for so long(me included), and so now they can.



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      Posted 09 December 2006 - 09:01 PM

      I've updated the first post with the official links for both of the Brawl trailers that were released, so everyone can watch them.

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        Posted 11 December 2006 - 12:08 AM

        It's a good series, fun party game, yada-yada...shame I don't have a GameCube to play it on. I wish I'd bought an N64 so long ago.

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          Posted 11 December 2006 - 06:01 AM

          Are you getting a Wii, split? I would so like to kick your ass in Brawl. :rolleyes:

          Who do you guys think you'll like playing as out of the five new characters. I think I'll absolutely love Pit, since he seems to be exactly the kind of fighter I like. Although, you can never know...

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            Posted 11 December 2006 - 10:35 AM

            You guys closed my most successful topic ever. *sniff*

            But I'm over it now, I swear! My favorite character in SSB64 is Kirby, in SSBM -> Falco, and with Brawl, I don't know!

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              Posted 11 December 2006 - 10:51 AM

              I'd pick Wario from all the new characters because.... well because I like Wario. I don't really need another reason do I?

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                Posted 11 December 2006 - 10:56 AM

                You like using a fart as your special attack? Do you find fart humour funny? *stares*

                I like Metaknight the best out of the new characters, he was my favorite character from the Kirby games.

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                  Posted 11 December 2006 - 11:39 AM

                  I want to get into a Smash Bros. Tournament around my city.
                  I think I would win, and it would just be really fun.

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                    Posted 11 December 2006 - 02:15 PM

                    My favorite of the new fighters as a character is Wario, since he is just awesome and I've played his games since I was a kid, but Pit looks so speedy, with good jumping and recovery and crazy A attacks... I can't wait to try him out.

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                      Posted 11 December 2006 - 03:31 PM

                      Things like speed and stuff don't bother me. As long as it's a character that I like, there's a fair chance I'll pick them.
                      @SoT: Yes I find his farting hilarious. Ha.

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                        Posted 11 December 2006 - 03:45 PM

                        Yeah, I remember you saying before that you mostly pick characters that you like and I stand by what I've said about that: it's not a very good way of chosing which fighter you like to play as and which you don't. Out of my five fave fighters only two are good characters(at least for me): Link and Falco. Then there are three characters who I don't like: Marth, Jigglypuff and Ness. They are still excellent fighters and fun to play with though. Ness has the funnest play style of all for me.

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                          Posted 11 December 2006 - 03:48 PM

                          Well I can understand your point of view and I'll admit that for the tougher events I am willing to pick characters that I wouldn't usually as I'd feel I'd have a better chance of winning.

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                            Posted 11 December 2006 - 04:36 PM

                            I'm looking forward to Zero-Suit Samus and Snake.
                            Samus because she's one of my favourites in both SSB's and Snake because thats just such a different idea for a character.

                            But yea I'm looking forward to Pit, something about breaking a bow in half into daggers just sounds mad. And hoping they fix up Ness.

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                              Posted 11 December 2006 - 08:15 PM

                              View PostAquamarine, on Dec 11 2006, 11:01 PM, said:

                              Are you getting a Wii, split? I would so like to kick your ass in Brawl. :rolleyes:

                              Sure, why not. It would be fun to interact with somebody here in a more direct way.

                              I don't think my parents will allow me to play online though, and I'm pretty sure my area won't be supporting wireless in the near future.

                              [EDIT] Alternately, you could play Stargate Wars along with me. :)

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                                Posted 12 December 2006 - 10:34 AM

                                Dude, I'm not going to play Stargate Wars, get over it! :rolleyes: Not because I don't want to(though I'm not really that crazy about it), but because I don't have the time to do it, I already spend enough time in front of my PC and I've got dial-up internet. It's as slow as hell!
                                Why wouldn't your parents let you play online? Also, you don't need wireles internet, if you have anything better than dial-up all you have to do is buy a Nintendo Wi-Fi USB Adaptor. That's what I'm going to do.

                                @watch: I absolutely love Ness in Melee, but i agree he could be a bit better. Possibly just a bit faster or something. I've never played as him in the 64 game, what is he like there?

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                                  Posted 13 December 2006 - 05:57 PM

                                  In my opinion, Ness seemed better in SSB than SSBM. I dunno why, I think it's just that he seemed more...flexible.

                                  In SSB, my best characters were Kirby, Puikachu, and Link. In SSBM, it's Sheik, Link, and Marth.

                                  As for SSBB...I'd most likely still stick with Sheik, but I'd like to try the new characters out. n.n

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                                    Posted 13 December 2006 - 06:00 PM

                                    Sheik, Falco, and Marth are my best characters from Melee, by far. I've only played the original game a few times before, but from what I can tell, both Ness and Kirby were a lot more powerful, relatively speaking, and I remember Samus' screw attack causing a lot more damage.

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                                      Posted 13 December 2006 - 06:24 PM

                                      Samus' screw attack was better in SSB, I think. Kirby was better overall in SSB too, as was Ness. SSBM somewhat screwed characters over in terms of flexibility and/or power.

                                      Sheik is my absolute favorite of all characters, since she's so balanced in everything. My next favorites are Link and Marth, then there are...others. =P

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                                        Posted 14 December 2006 - 12:28 AM

                                        View Postgsninja, on Dec 13 2006, 05:24 PM, said:

                                        SSBM somewhat screwed characters over in terms of flexibility and/or power.


                                        I agree with you whole heartedly. Kirby was awesome, but now he kinda sucks.

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                                          Posted 14 December 2006 - 11:53 AM

                                          By making Kirby a bit worse, doesn't that mean that the characters are more even? It should be that the unlockable characters are more powerful, especially for a game such as this.

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                                            Posted 14 December 2006 - 12:33 PM

                                            I don't think unlockable characters should be more powerful, every fighter should be good enough that you can learn to play him/her really well and can defeat all the other characters if you're good enough. I don't like that speedy fighters have such an advantage over heavy weights. They should change that by giving heavy weights much better and more useful grabs than the quick fighters. But that means that grabbing should be applied to L or R on the GC controller, I absolutely have no idea why they put it to the hard-to-press Z.

                                            My fave in SSB was by far Link, and after him were Mario and Pikachu. Kirby was really good too, I remember that. I hope Link stays one of my faves in Brawl, as he has been in both the previous games.

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                                              Posted 14 December 2006 - 06:13 PM

                                              View PostSea_of_Time, on Dec 14 2006, 12:53 PM, said:

                                              By making Kirby a bit worse, doesn't that mean that the characters are more even?

                                              No, Kirby was actually fine as he was. For some reason, the creators of SSBM decided to weaken him, making him one of the less decent characters.

                                              I had just hoped that Nintendo would be good enough to put a Golden Sun character in there...D=

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                                                Posted 14 December 2006 - 06:21 PM

                                                Link & Zelda were my favourite ^^
                                                ... Especially Zelda.

                                                I play Link with serious matches and Zelda in other times... not that I won with Link anyway. My friends always kicked me with Roy.

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                                                  Posted 14 December 2006 - 06:41 PM

                                                  View PostAquamarine, on Dec 13 2006, 03:34 AM, said:

                                                  @watch: I absolutely love Ness in Melee, but i agree he could be a bit better. Possibly just a bit faster or something. I've never played as him in the 64 game, what is he like there?

                                                  ~1212

                                                  Ness was the best. His gusty bat (across A) did alot more damage and his yo-yo was easier to use IMO.
                                                  I think he would of been better if TK-fire was kept at plain B instead of across B. His B move takes far too long to do and is only really useful if the enemy has higher damage.

                                                  My SSB characters were at the start Pikachu then I used Link, Fox and Ness, sometimes Samus,
                                                  My Melee characters were Link and Young Link at the start, now I play random but if I pick a character it's Ness or Samus.

                                                  Melee I'll still probably stick with Ness and Samus, that is if they don't 'even' them out anymore.

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                                                    Posted 15 December 2006 - 12:47 PM

                                                    In the first game it was all kirby for me.
                                                    Now its Yoshi who is my best character.
                                                    Wish I could get a chance to play some of you guys.

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                                                      Posted 15 December 2006 - 01:43 PM

                                                      Yeah, I would really like that too, but well... Brawl is being released relatively soon, so we WILL get the chance to play against each other. We must hold a GSSF tournament in Brawl...

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                                                        Posted 15 December 2006 - 06:11 PM

                                                        That would be really cool. It would be a lot of fun beating the living daylights out of you guys. =P

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                                                          Posted 16 December 2006 - 06:59 AM

                                                          Right back at ya ;)

                                                          I really wonder what online play will be like. Like would there be a ranking?

                                                          I.E-Best in world, Best in Australia, Best at Samus etc etc etc

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                                                            Posted 16 December 2006 - 09:41 AM

                                                            Well, Sakurai(the creator of all three Smash Bros. games) said that Brawl probably won't have rankings, which was a huge dissapointment for me, since I've always liked looking at rankings in games like Melee and Soul Calibur(fighting games, in other words). They still may add 'em, but who knows... It'll be a shame if they don't.

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                                                              Posted 19 December 2006 - 05:21 PM

                                                              I know someone who's already preordered Brawl. I also know a lot of other people in town who are going to get it.

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                                                                Posted 08 January 2007 - 04:18 AM

                                                                Dunno if this is old or whatever but on Wiki it is saying that Brawl will be Wi-fi.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_games

                                                                Scroll down to SSBB and it has an I for online play :P

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                                                                  Posted 08 January 2007 - 09:03 AM

                                                                  I would be disappointed if it didn't have that, but it's good that that's confirmed. I'm still waiting on a specific release date, is that out there yet?

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                                                                    Posted 08 January 2007 - 09:22 AM

                                                                    Nope, it is not. Can't wait to hear the release date though.
                                                                    And of course Brawl will be online. It will be Nintendo's main online game for Wii. They know how important it is for Smash Bros. to go online, they wouldn't be so stupid to leave it out.

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                                                                      Posted 08 January 2007 - 09:25 AM

                                                                      Unless Nintendo pulls a Gran Turismo 4 on us and pulls online at the last minute. I'm sure people would be more pissed if SSBB was missing online, then if GT4 is missing it.

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                                                                        Posted 08 January 2007 - 07:39 PM

                                                                        A Super Smash Brothers game that's online sounds pretty cool. But truth be told, I'm not overly excited about it, but still excited. =P

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                                                                          Posted 09 January 2007 - 11:35 AM

                                                                          If I had the system, I'd be way overly excited. But I'm just excited at the prospect of seeing this game when it comes out, and not at owning it....yet.

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                                                                            Posted 09 January 2007 - 07:01 PM

                                                                            Im on the verge of freaking out about not getting the Wii yet. It's really getting to me, now that I've been fruitless since searching it the day it came out.

                                                                            I wonder if SSBB will have any new B moves for the characters?

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                                                                              Posted 09 January 2007 - 07:16 PM

                                                                              I'm just going to remind people that online play has not been officially confirmed yet.

                                                                              Sakurai mentioned in an interview that his team was working on it - then he said that online might be difficult to implement in a game as fast-paced as Brawl, but he said he would try.

                                                                              At least, that's what I remember.

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                                                                                Posted 09 January 2007 - 08:01 PM

                                                                                It is fast-paced, but if Nintendo truly thinks they will compete with Sony and Microsoft, they need a hard-hitting title like SSBB to be online. Think of the disappointment that racing game fans felt when Sony dropped the ball on Gran Turismo 4's online play. It would be a cataclysmic hit to Nintendo if SSBB did not have online capabilities.

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                                                                                  Posted 10 January 2007 - 11:00 AM

                                                                                  Wi-Fi play is probably what I'm most looking forward to in Brawl, more than I'm looking forward to new characters. And I'm not the only one. I think Nintendo will not release Brawl until they manage to get it online and working well. Which is good.
                                                                                  Sakurai(or somebody else from Ninty, can't remember now) said that they managed to get two players online, but not three(or four, of course) yet. That was way back around E3 though, so they may have managed it since then.

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                                                                                    Posted 10 January 2007 - 06:44 PM

                                                                                    Are they concerned about lag issues or security or what? Or are people just still not ready for online play?

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                                                                                      Posted 10 January 2007 - 07:05 PM

                                                                                      No no. It's not about security. Like SoT said, Nintendo needs this title to be online if it hopes to compete with Sony and Microsoft. It acknowledges that; all Sakurai said was that the online system isn't necessarily the easiest to attach to a game like this.

                                                                                      That's probably because Nintendo is still relatively new to Wi-Fi.

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                                                                                        Posted 11 January 2007 - 09:11 AM

                                                                                        Nintendo needs to go make sweet love with Apple, now that's a company that knows their WiFi. And imagine if you had the OS X browser on the Wii! *drools*

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                                                                                          Posted 16 January 2007 - 05:35 PM

                                                                                          Even though Brawl isn't yet confirmed to be online, I still think it will have an Online mode though. Sakurai however did mentoined that it would be
                                                                                          ster, who do you think that'll be? My highest guess is suprise suprise NOT Pichu, but Dr.Mario.

                                                                                          Dr.Mario is a character I never understood why he was in there the first place. I mean, as a character he's just Mario with a doctor suit who throws pills instead of fireballs. Ofcoarse there are other small things, as Dr.Mario's Forward Aeriel move is a much better attack... The main reason they added Doc is so that they had an excuse to use his theme song, which imo sucks ****.

                                                                                          Other possible characters which will get the axe in my opinion are: Young Link, Roy, Pichu and Sheik. Young Link, because just as Dr.Mario he's just the same character as Link, yet younger... Ofcoarse Link and Y.Link are more diffrent than Mario-Dr.Mario but I guess you get the idea. Same goes for Pichu... Roy was just in there to advertise FE6, and Sakurai wasn't happy with him in the first place. Plus there are newer FE Lords which would most likely replace him.

                                                                                          And yes there's Sheik. A character which is insanly populair and used ALOT in tournaments and by casual players. You might ask why she should leave, but I find it rather oblivous...
                                                                                          Her absence in LoZ: Twilight Princess is one of them. If Sheik would return, she would deffinatly NOT be a transformation of Zelda, as in Melee. Because Sheik was only in OoT, she's not the same "person" as the Zelda in Brawl (which'd be TP Zelda). And I have my doubts that she'll be a seperate character, since she's still OoT Zelda afterall and that'd be confusing.

                                                                                          Another reason is because of her brokeness in Melee. Sure they could nerfe her, but how? For a character as Peach it's easy, change the Downsmash (really that's ALL what's necencarly) and maybe a little less weight. Fox; remove the Shine Spike. Marth; shorten his sword and grab range. Falco; give a whole new moveset... But Sheik? The reason why Sheik is so good is cause of her fast moves, if they'd made her slower she would play very diffrent. Also her Forward Aerial is as broken as can be... If your comming back to the stage and you get hit by it... It's over! Unless ofcoarse your name is Jigglypuff... >_< So... What would the devlopers do to STILL make the fans of Sheik happy? Add a whole new character with the same style. Which'd be Zero Suit Samus!

                                                                                          I think we can all agree that the whole idea of Zero Suit Samus is based of the Zelda/Sheik character in SSBM. Even the character Zamus herself... She's just as Sheik, the faster and "weaker" counterpart of the main character. But Zamus is more balanced, since she has lower stamina and power moves than Samus as stated on her profile at Smashbros.com. Sheik is supriour to Zelda, which is the big reason Zelda is overshadowed by her... Samus/Zero Suit Samus was a good idea to balance Zelda/Sheik out...

                                                                                          But ofcoarse I might be wrong. Any thoughts?

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                                                                                            Ah...long post. I agree though, except maybe with Marth. He needs a ranged weapon, maybe just get rid of his down B.

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                                                                                            If Nintendo sided with Apple I would sell my Wii. Any company that renders their hardware useless by a software update should be shot. There's a reason there aren't virius's for Macs. They're ****!

                                                                                            Ok this sever is currently down but if you check it when it's up you'll see my point.
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                                                                                            Not as much to the point but here's the gist.
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                                                                                              Posted 17 January 2007 - 03:24 AM

                                                                                              Err watch, I am hoping that they nerf Marth... By giving Marth a projectile, he'd officially has no weakness. :blink:

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                                                                                                Posted 17 January 2007 - 05:59 AM

                                                                                                I seriously hope they swap Marth for Ike. Ike could have exactly the same movest(a little nerfed though), but he's a much cooler and newer character.
                                                                                                Same goes for Ness/Lucas. Same moves(though make him a bit better), but newer character.
                                                                                                Does someone dare disagree?

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                                                                                                  Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:42 AM

                                                                                                  No please not replace Marth with Ike, since Marth is the official hero and the only Lord who stared 2 games. I think Roy is a far less deserving character to stay. Ohhh, and btw I think Marth is pretty much confirmed right now, as the castle stage we know from the trailer is from his game.

                                                                                                  As for Ness being replaced by Lucas... Why? Why not have them both in there? I mean, Ness is just as Marth a LEGEND in his franchise. Even though Ness wasn't in Mother 3, he surely wasn't completly gone. He made a small cameo, and the strongest weapon of the game was Ness' Yo-Yo... So I think chances are big we see him back again.

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                                                                                                    Posted 17 January 2007 - 10:46 AM

                                                                                                    I kinda agree with you about Marth, but he is ancient history! Ike would be perfect to show off the new era of Fire Emblem. I mean, it would be ok to still have Marth, but I think it would be better to have Ike. And yes, Roy MUST be thrown out, I completely agree with you on that one.

                                                                                                    Ness was the star of the second of three Mother games. Why would he be included? If Ninten had been included in Smash Bros. you would be saying he is the legend. Having Lucas in Brawl might even make the chances of Mother 3 being released outside of Japan a bit bigger. Oh, and don't say both of them should be playable... They look almost exactly the same, and Earthbound just doesn't deserve to have more than one character, plain and simple.

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                                                                                                      Posted 17 January 2007 - 11:56 AM

                                                                                                      I think Marth should be replaced with Ike. I know that Marth was in two games, but Aqua is right, he is ancient history. It would be better to promote the new FE games by using Ike. And I would appreciate having a character I know from experience in the game.

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                                                                                                        Posted 17 January 2007 - 11:59 AM

                                                                                                        Surely Pit should be considered from ancient history on that basis then? (I could mean that literally as well :blink: )
                                                                                                        The Japanese fans of Fire Emblem may not appreciate Marth being taken out from the games. Personally though I'd find Ike as a more appropriate character.

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                                                                                                          Posted 17 January 2007 - 12:09 PM

                                                                                                          I guess Pit would be the exception, but for FE, I'd rather have new than old. FE9 was a great game, and I want to remember that!

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                                                                                                            Posted 17 January 2007 - 04:16 PM

                                                                                                            Not to mentoin that Marth was almost begged into Melee. I mean hey, we always have an unwanted Roy running around..! You know Sakurai's Poll right? Well, there was something similair when Melee wasn't released yet. And guess what? Marth scored EXTREMLY high! Infact, he scored the highest of all characters requested, even higher than the likes as Bowser, Peach and Ganondorf, which are also in Melee.

                                                                                                            I don't see the problem of having both Marth and Ike. The castle stage we saw in the trailer still was from Fire Emblem 1, so changes are huge that we'll see Marth back. And no, the castle isn't from PoR since the emblem doesn't match. It isn't the Daein crest, it's more like a black dragon...

                                                                                                            Also, Marth is a retro character. Much like the Ice Climbers, Mr.Game and Watch and Pit. And seeing as they added a new retro character, why cut current ones? Besides Mr.Game and Watch, since the "OMGZ WTF"-ness is gone from him... Thus making him less original, but still a lovealbe memory. :angry:

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                                                                                                              Posted 18 January 2007 - 06:35 AM

                                                                                                              Yeah, I know he was added to Melee because the Japanese asked for him, but I think it would be boring if so many old characters remained in Brawl. All the Japanese FE fans will know who Ike is, so they will probably request for him now. Marth and Ike are too similar. I would like these three FE characters to be in Brawl: Ike(of course), Sothe(older, from Goddess of Dawn) and Mikaya(the new mage from FE10, she would rock).
                                                                                                              Just because an FE1 castle was included doesn't mean Marth will certainyl be in the game. I don't know from which Zelda the Huryle Temple arena was taken from, but it certainly wasn't from Ocarina of Time, on which the four(five) Zelda characters were based off.

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                                                                                                                Posted 15 February 2007 - 08:13 PM

                                                                                                                http://www.wii60.com/uploads/221.jpg

                                                                                                                Hows THAT for an alternate costume? xP

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                                                                                                                  Posted 16 February 2007 - 05:45 PM

                                                                                                                  Must....unlock......but thinking practically, for Samus to run around wearing only that on all those planets would be deadly!

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                                                                                                                    Posted 16 February 2007 - 06:46 PM

                                                                                                                    Haha, I wonder if you can customize costumes this time. How kinky can we make peach....

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                                                                                                                      Posted 16 February 2007 - 06:49 PM

                                                                                                                      View PostCaael, on Feb 16 2007, 07:46 PM, said:

                                                                                                                      Haha, I wonder if you can customize costumes this time. How kinky can we make peach....

                                                                                                                      Kinky enough, hopefully.

                                                                                                                      XD

                                                                                                                      And I love Samus' sexy costume. <3 The thing I'm most looking forward to her, though, is the lightsaber in her un-suited form. Now I'm looking forward to putting her into that costume and fighting in it. <3

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                                                                                                                        Posted 16 February 2007 - 06:58 PM

                                                                                                                        Haha, we all are. We all are. Except the ghays and girls.

                                                                                                                        It would be pretty cool to customize costumes instead of just changing the colours each time.

                                                                                                                        To be honest, I dont know if its an official image, I just found it on google images while searching for Metroid

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                                                                                                                          Posted 17 February 2007 - 06:21 AM

                                                                                                                          It's not an official image! Am I the only one who thinks her head has lighter coloured skin than her body on that image?

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                                                                                                                            Posted 17 February 2007 - 07:09 AM

                                                                                                                            I think thats only because the lighting is coming from the top of the picture
                                                                                                                            http://www.wii60.com/ This is where the picture came from. I'm gonna look around the site to see if any official images are on tehre.

                                                                                                                            EDIT: No, its not a real image. The site has got sumitter pictures that have just been edited. Sorry guys xD

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                                                                                                                              Posted 18 February 2007 - 04:41 AM

                                                                                                                              Real nice there Caael. You just got a bunch of horny gamers hopes up, and smashed 'em all down with a single blow. Tsk tsk tsk.

                                                                                                                              That being said, no, that pic doesn't turn me on. I prefer the real thing, thankyaverymuch. Though if it were a real costume, I'd probably use it. xP As for a kinky Peach? No. Just....no. Don't even go there.

                                                                                                                              Now as for the character I'd use, It's either be Pit or Meta Knight. Seeing as Meta Knight's super quick, he might be my first choice. As for SSBM, Kirby, Roy, and Fox are my most used characters.

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                                                                                                                                Posted 18 February 2007 - 04:59 AM

                                                                                                                                But everybody likes Kinky Peach. :)

                                                                                                                                Pit was my first choice, but I doubt he's gonna have the power I want. Hopefully he will be like Marth, but with projectiles and wings. I'm pretty good at handling heavy characters like Ganondorf ( who will hopefully have a sword this time round) Hopefully at least 1 new metroid character can be introduced, hopefully somebody from Hunters

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                                                                                                                                  Posted 18 February 2007 - 07:18 AM

                                                                                                                                  No, hopefully it will be Ridley. He is the most deserving Metroid character, apart from Samus of course. And although I would absolutely LOVE to play as Dark Samus I don't think that will happen any time soon.

                                                                                                                                  I have an extremely strong feeling that Pit will be one of my favorites. His moves are just so awesome! I'm always amazed when I watch him in the trailers.
                                                                                                                                  Who is the first character you're going to use? I first wanted to use Meta Knight, as he is fast(I usually use fast but weak characters) and extremely cool looking, but I'm thinking about using Pit first, for the reasons stated above. My brother's gonna use Wario, because he likes slow and powerful fighters, and Wario is just an ownage character.

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                                                                                                                                    Posted 18 February 2007 - 07:30 AM

                                                                                                                                    Snake ^___^

                                                                                                                                    Finally I can play with someone from a series I adore! I don't think he'll be my favourite character, but still I'd like to play with him first!... But I strongly believe we'd have to unlock him.

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                                                                                                                                      Posted 18 February 2007 - 06:44 PM

                                                                                                                                      Yeah, he seems a lot like an unlockable character. Besides, you had to unlock all of the new characters in Melee, so why not in brawl as well? That also adds length to the game. Instead of starting out with all of the old, and a few of the new characters, you'll start out with the old ones and earn the new ones, instead of using them first and getting bored.

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                                                                                                                                        Posted 19 February 2007 - 08:43 AM

                                                                                                                                        Well no not really, Melee had actually alot of new characters right from the start. The Ice Climbers, Zelda and Sheik for example... All characters which where available right from the start.

                                                                                                                                        The head director Sakurai also said that Snake [i]will[/b] most likely be an unlockable, since he's a guest character afterall... I've never played Metal Gear Solid, so I'm quite curious what Snake's moveset will be like.

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                                                                                                                                          Posted 19 February 2007 - 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                          If they make me unlock Jigglypuff again, I swear somebody will die

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                                                                                                                                            Posted 19 February 2007 - 02:10 PM

                                                                                                                                            That has to be one of the worst moments in gaming, when you unlock your first character and it's Jigglypuff.

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                                                                                                                                              Posted 19 February 2007 - 03:32 PM

                                                                                                                                              Got to start somewhere.

                                                                                                                                              And I personally think that Snake should, and will be, a character that you have from the beginning. Part of the reason why there's a lot of hype for Brawl is because of the inclusion of Snake, so I think it would be best to appeal to gamers and just include him from the beginning.

                                                                                                                                              But that's my reasoning.

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                                                                                                                                                Posted 19 February 2007 - 08:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                At risk of being called lazy, when is Brawl officially coming out?

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                                                                                                                                                  Posted 19 February 2007 - 09:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Why are we getting so little info on returning characters in Brawl? I can understand if they don't want to reveal hidden characters but what about the old cast? Where is Marth? Where is Peach? Falco? C.Falcon? It's been so long since we've gotten any information at all that I've almost lost interest in the game itself.

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                                                                                                                                                    Posted 19 February 2007 - 10:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                    The game is most likely going to retain all characters from SSBM, and add all the new ones like Wario, Meta Knight, Snake, etc., etc.

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                                                                                                                                                      Posted 19 February 2007 - 11:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I was in a Super Smash Bros. Melee Tournement this past friday. I got to the top 16 out of like 40 people. I think I did a lot better than I thought.

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                                                                                                                                                        Posted 20 February 2007 - 12:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Were you at a party or something?

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                                                                                                                                                          Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                          View PostSea_of_Time, on Feb 19 2007, 09:10 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                          That has to be one of the worst moments in gaming, when you unlock your first character and it's Jigglypuff.


                                                                                                                                                          WHAT!? That's almost insluting! Jigglypuff is by far one of the coolest characters in Melee! Not to mentoin, fun to play as and nearly not as bad as people think she is! Bah, I'll stop with my Tier-essay now... >_<

                                                                                                                                                          View Postgsninja, on Feb 20 2007, 05:00 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                          The game is most likely going to retain all characters from SSBM, and add all the new ones like Wario, Meta Knight, Snake, etc., etc.


                                                                                                                                                          No, it's confirmed that characters from Melee to Brawl will be cut. Now I'm sure Sakurai wasn't talking about favorites and classics as Marth and Donkey Kong, but rather unneccencarly characters as Dr.Mario, Sheik, Young Link and Roy. Most likely some of them will have replacements, as Zero Suit Samus is to Sheik I believe, or what about Ike replacing Roy?

                                                                                                                                                          View PostBlue, on Feb 20 2007, 06:05 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                          I was in a Super Smash Bros. Melee Tournement this past friday. I got to the top 16 out of like 40 people. I think I did a lot better than I thought.


                                                                                                                                                          Good **** Blue! I've yet to go to a Mele Tournament myself, but one is comming up soon. Did you got so far with only your Yoshi?

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                                                                                                                                                            Posted 20 February 2007 - 06:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                            I wish there were tournaments here... I bet I would be among the top 5, not only because I'm good, but also 'cause not a lot of people have a GameCube(and Melee) here.

                                                                                                                                                            SoT, Jigglypuff rules and rocks at the same time! If you know how to play him, like I do, than he is one of the most powerful fighters there is. He's certainly one of my favorites, although as a character I hate him.

                                                                                                                                                            And I agree with GL, Snake should be playable right away, not only for the reason Riad said, but also 'cause he has already been confirmed. If you ask me all unlockable characters should remain a secret before the game is released.

                                                                                                                                                            Split, Brawl doesn't have a release date yet. All that is known is that it'll be released this year. And maybe even that is unsure. Oh, and Blue wasn't talking about a party, he was talking about a tournament. Congrats, Blue!

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                                                                                                                                                              Posted 20 February 2007 - 08:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                              16 out of 40 isn't too bad. Man, if only I could've gone to a tournament in the first month I'd gotten the game. D:
                                                                                                                                                              I'd still be fun to go to one now though, but the nearest one is an hour drive from here, and I'm not about to spend that much gas money to go to a tournament. Which is why I hope and pray Brawl will have online vs. capabilities.

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                                                                                                                                                                Posted 20 February 2007 - 10:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                View PostDiddyKong, on Feb 20 2007, 02:57 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                Now I'm sure Sakurai wasn't talking about favorites and classics as Marth and Donkey Kong, but rather unneccencarly characters as Dr.Mario, Sheik, Young Link and Roy. Most likely some of them will have replacements, as Zero Suit Samus is to Sheik I believe, or what about Ike replacing Roy?
                                                                                                                                                                Good **** Blue! I've yet to go to a Mele Tournament myself, but one is comming up soon. Did you got so far with only your Yoshi?

                                                                                                                                                                Sheik? Unecessary? She's my best character. If she's taken out, I'll be so...sad. ;_; As long as Marth still remains.

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                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 21 February 2007 - 10:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Ike sucks at life, put Lyn or Hector in instead of Roy

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                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 21 February 2007 - 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    You're crazy, Ike is a must! He's so... manly!

                                                                                                                                                                    I mean, it would be quite cool to have Lyn in the game, but Hector? Please... There are some much more deserving chars. from FE.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 21 February 2007 - 11:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      They should have 4 FE characters. Its an important enough game for nintendo/

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                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 21 February 2007 - 11:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        Meh, I think three is enough. And I wouldn't use any characters that will never again appear in an FE game. It would be cool if the three characters are: Ike(could have almost the same moveset as Marth), Sothe(he will be in two games soon enough, and will be important in GoD) and Mikaya(the mage from GoD, possibly the main character). It would be nice to have them, because they all have different weapons and their fighting styles would be quite different.

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                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 21 February 2007 - 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          View PostCaael, on Feb 21 2007, 06:03 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                          They should have 4 FE characters. Its an important enough game for nintendo/


                                                                                                                                                                          Frankly, no. Fire Emblem isn't important enough for Nintendo... It isn't the first thing you'll name up after hearing the word Nintendo. 4 characters is ALOT! Assuming Dr.Mario is gone and not counting Yoshi and Wario (I didn't said DK on purpose cause if any of you call him a Mario character I'll stalk you and shoot you in the neck kthnxbai) even the huge Mario franchise would have only 4 characters... Also, Pokémon perhaps one of the things that made Nintendo survive through the dark upcomes of Sony and Microsoft got only 4 characters to represent in Melee...

                                                                                                                                                                          I say 2 characters is still more than enough. Roy was there to advertise FE6 in Japan, and since it would've been the first FE game international aswell it explains why Roy is there... But yeah FE6 was too hard for us as Westerns since we where rather unexperienced with the franchise back then so it was cancelled. Marth could've easly go off as a retro character like the Ice Climbers.

                                                                                                                                                                          And Aqua, I really doubt that either Sothe or Micaiah are gonna make it to Brawl. Yeah, they are the main lords of the game FE10, but only for the first "part" of it. Elincia will take over in the 2nd part, and in the 3rd part we have noone other but... IKE!

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                                                                                                                                                                          However I hate the hair, his stats are actually pretty good for a lv 11 Hero (his class this time instead of Ranger/Lord).

                                                                                                                                                                          There's also a 4th part, but we don't know yet who's the main character for that one. So yeah, I'd pick Marth and Ike for Fire Emblem representitives, since they are the only characters that stared in 2 games as actual main characters.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 22 February 2007 - 08:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            Okay, dude, no need for the FE10 spoilers. I didn't read through all you said, but you shouldn't have given out all that info about Fire Emblem in a Smash Bros. topic. I HATE it when someone ruins a game for me!

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                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 22 February 2007 - 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              View PostSplit Infinity, on Feb 19 2007, 11:00 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                              Were you at a party or something?

                                                                                                                                                                              No, was a tournement held at Atomic Comics. Top 3 places won cash.

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                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                If went ot one of those, the cash prize would be at the back of my mind. All I'd want to do is test my skillz.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 23 February 2007 - 07:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  U wud get burnd.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I hope that they included Sora as a secret character. He did appear in a GBA title, maybe some of the copyrights got rubbed onto Nintendo?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 23 February 2007 - 07:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    When will the voice of the fans be heard by Nintendo (specifically to SSB)?
                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm sure if a poll is taken to include a GS character, everyone who played GS will say yes, so why is Nintendo so reluctant?

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 23 February 2007 - 07:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Perhaps it simply hasn't occured to them yet. Or they're trying to erase almost all trace of GS from our minds, then BAM! GS3 takes the world by storm.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 23 February 2007 - 10:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        More people like GS then we can even imagine. It's a great game and if Nintendo doesn't even consider it, they're obviously missing out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 23 February 2007 - 07:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          ^ I agree. But who knows. Since the Wii consol gets updates, mabey the games do too. So mabey even if they don't put a GS character in there, we might still be able to get one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 23 February 2007 - 11:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Downloadable content will definately be the trump card of GTA IV.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 24 February 2007 - 04:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I dont think a GS character would be so great in SSBB. Its a classic game, amazing in lots of apsects, but I just dont think its important enough to nintendo to be put into the game. Well it is, but usually the more important games have more than 3 games in the series, apart from the classic characters like Ice Climbers.
                                                                                                                                                                                              It wouldnt make the game bad or anything, quite the opposite, but players who have never played GS would be thinling ' Who the hell is that character?' and Nintendo dont want that.
                                                                                                                                                                                              In a way though, they do as some people might go out to buy the game with the unknown character, thinking ' If its important enough to be in SSBB, then it must be a good game'

                                                                                                                                                                                              So I have mixed opinions on having GS characters in brawl

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 24 February 2007 - 04:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                A lot of people (including myself) didn't know who Marth or Roy were in SSBM, so that's not the issue. And besides that, if Isaac's important enough to be displayed on some pages of ninty's official website, then he must be somewhat important to them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Downloadable content will definately be the trump card of GTA IV.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  :huh: I thought that sounded on-topic at the time, but it totally wasn't.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 24 February 2007 - 07:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nintendo is aware that fans want Golden Sun characters. When Japanese SSB fans sent E-mails to Sakurai telling him which characters they wanted both Isaac and Felix were among the list. One GS characters is enough if you ask me(Isaac) but he should be hidden.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    But for Melee they put characters who Japanese and American people wanted, and GS was more successful in Europe than in Japan and America, and Nintendo loves ignoring Europe...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 24 February 2007 - 07:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was reading something on the internet, and Golden Sun was the most requested new franchise for inclusion in SSB and 4th overall. I hope Nintendo uses this data wisely.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 24 February 2007 - 01:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Isaac would be a great inclusion into the Smash Bros. series. I mean, with all the different Psynergey moves he has, why not put him in ther.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        (Would be funny if he could use cure, to slowly remove damage)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 28 February 2007 - 11:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Exactly! Being able to use psynergy in SSBB would be so awesome! Though I'm sure I could live without it, if they decide not to add a character from GS.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 28 February 2007 - 12:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            His B attacks would be Psynergy, and his A attacks would be sword slashes. Sort of like Link, items are B moves, sword is on the A button.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 28 February 2007 - 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              He would probably be quicker and weaker than Link as well. I don't see him as a strength-based character.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 28 February 2007 - 12:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah, if Felix were in the game he would be strength-based, but Isaac should be nimbler. Still, he should be more powerful and heavier than Young Link.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 28 February 2007 - 05:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Of course. I can see the size based on a Marth-like body, but you're right, if Felix were there (even though there is more of a chance of Isaac), he would probably be more strength-based.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 28 February 2007 - 06:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    He should be able to use Megiddo(sp?). =D

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 01 March 2007 - 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Heh, yeah that would rock. And I think Ragnarok is a must for Isaac, it's just one of thsoe moves that define a character. I would also like to see what Condemn would look like. As for his Smash Attack it could be Catastrophe, or Charon, or maybe Judgment is enough. Judgment sort of simbolises the Venus element, and it was the most powerful summon in GS1.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 01 March 2007 - 12:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think he should have a charge move, like down B where he sets a djinni, but it takes like a few seconds or more. He can unleash a summon at 4 charges or something like that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 01 March 2007 - 12:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That would complicate matters too much if you ask me. Smash Bros. is supposed to remain simple for playing, and that would be more like a normal fighting game, where you have to press a button a certain amount of times to do the attack you want. Although, he would be different like that compared to other fighters, and having only a few complicated characters is ok, I guess...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 01 March 2007 - 01:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            View PostSea_of_Time, on Feb 28 2007, 11:26 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            He would probably be quicker and weaker than Link as well. I don't see him as a strength-based character.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            What are you guys talking about? He was the attack man for the first Golden Sun, his attack attribute was the strongest one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 01 March 2007 - 02:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              True, but he doesnt seem like much of a heavy duty character for SSB series. More of a Marth like character

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 01 March 2007 - 07:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The charge idea isn't like that aqua. There's charge moves in SSBM, so it wouldn't be much different. Maybe his charge could be attacking with a random djinni of any type, then he could summon a random summon associated with the djinni charged. But he needs to use earthquake and grand gaia somehow, and if you attack just right with a normal swipe, it would unleash megiddo.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 01 March 2007 - 11:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  View PostMr.T, on Mar 1 2007, 06:14 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The charge idea isn't like that aqua. There's charge moves in SSBM, so it wouldn't be much different. Maybe his charge could be attacking with a random djinni of any type, then he could summon a random summon associated with the djinni charged. But he needs to use earthquake and grand gaia somehow, and if you attack just right with a normal swipe, it would unleash megiddo.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Like Luigi's Green Canon misfire? That would be cool, but Megiddo? That would be way too big, probably Titans Blade would work better. I think you guys are going way far off on some of the Psyenergy. Grand Gaia would work for his mega special move, but nothing for normal special moves.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 02 March 2007 - 01:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nah, I think that Judgement should be his mega special move

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 02 March 2007 - 05:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      View PostBlue, on Mar 2 2007, 06:17 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Like Luigi's Green Canon misfire? That would be cool, but Megiddo? That would be way too big, probably Titans Blade would work better. I think you guys are going way far off on some of the Psyenergy. Grand Gaia would work for his mega special move, but nothing for normal special moves.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That's why I've been saying something less powerful like Ragnarok would be a good attack. I mean, who wouldn't want to see Ragnarok in full 3D!?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 05 March 2007 - 03:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        View PostAquamarine, on Mar 2 2007, 04:09 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That's why I've been saying something less powerful like Ragnarok would be a good attack. I mean, who wouldn't want to see Ragnarok in full 3D!?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Exactly. Ragnarok would be awesome. I'm thinking that could be his charge move. Charging it, being able to hold on to it and stuff. The longer the charge, the bigger and more powerful it gets. Fully charged, I think it should have a 12% chance of turning into Odyssy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 06 March 2007 - 02:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That would be pretty cool. But mabey a 20% chance. 12% seems kinda small. Meggido wouldn't nessicarily be too big or a misfire (a bit more common than Luigi's), but I have to admit, it'd be easier to use the titan blade, and it'd probably look cooler in the game.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 06 March 2007 - 10:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Me and a friend were having a discussion on which characters to put in Brawl during art yesterday. We didnt come up with anybody xD

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 06 March 2007 - 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              View PostMr.T, on Mar 6 2007, 01:20 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That would be pretty cool. But mabey a 20% chance. 12% seems kinda small. Meggido wouldn't nessicarily be too big or a misfire (a bit more common than Luigi's), but I have to admit, it'd be easier to use the titan blade, and it'd probably look cooler in the game.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, I think its 20% for the Misfire. Lol, Meggido has a whole big scene were the character smashes the sun onto an enemy, not too big? :(

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Me and a friend were having a discussion on which characters to put in Brawl during art yesterday. We didnt come up with anybody xD

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ahhh, to see the young so productive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 06 March 2007 - 11:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                View PostCaael, on Mar 6 2007, 05:48 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Me and a friend were having a discussion on which characters to put in Brawl during art yesterday. We didnt come up with anybody xD


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Really? Whenever my brother and I talk about Brawl we always come up with quite a number of characters that could(and possibly should) be included.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 06 March 2007 - 11:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Somebody, at the least, should have come up with Sonic. I figured that Sonic would be #1 on lots of people's lists.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 06 March 2007 - 11:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Why, WHY must there be Sonic!? I know it's unavoidable, but I so don't want him! You know, I think that if he wasn't included it would create a controversy and anger all over the world, sort of like what The Wind Waker graphics did when the game was first shown.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 06 March 2007 - 11:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't really want Sonic either, but if you're discussing with a group of friends, you'd think the name would come up at least once.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 06 March 2007 - 11:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If its 3rd party, sure, slap good ole Sonic in there. Honestly though, I care more about 1st party. I was a bit surprise to see Snake in there, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonic. What would be a nice surprise is if we saw Isaac.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 06 March 2007 - 03:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Would be a nice suprise ( but bloody weird) if we saw rayman

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 06 March 2007 - 05:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, that'd be kinda weird. But personally, Snake should be the only 3rd party. The more 3rd party characters there are in Brawl, the more comfortable it'll be for them to add more in (if there ever is) the fourth installment. If they do that, Super Smash Bros. will likely ceast to be Super Smash Bros.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 06 March 2007 - 09:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'd be happy with the characters that are there now! I just want to see more screens and a specific release date for this game. (Unless there's one already) This game will make or break my decision to buy the Wii, or else I'll keep saving for a 360.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 07 March 2007 - 06:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I agree that Snake should be the only 3rd party character(even though I don't want him either), but we all know there'll be a few more. Sakurai said he wants about 3-4 3rd parties in the game, including Solid Snake.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  No he wanted to add 1-2 more, if the 3rd party companies agree ofcoarse. And I bet they are more careful with adding 3rd party character then first or second ones so don't expect to see more than only Snake and Sonic, if we're getting Sonic at all which isn't even sure yet...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 07 March 2007 - 10:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I"m guessing that Diddy is the best player out of all of us, considering how much he knows about the next game. That is, as long as BLL doesn't come back...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have a feeling, I'm getting my ass kicked online.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 07 March 2007 - 10:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Being good in Melee has nothing to do with knowlegde about Brawl, but yeah aslong as BBL is gone (possibly one of the best Roy players in America) I'll enjoy my tittle as best Smasher from GSSF. :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      About online, I'm hoping there will be friend codes or clans or such so you won't fight random people if you don't want to. Sure, I also would like if some sort of "Random Fight" mode was in there too just for the fun of it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 07 March 2007 - 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well because you're good in Melee, you obviously like the game. Since you like the game, you're obviously interested in Brawl. So as you can see, there is a direct correlation!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 07 March 2007 - 11:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ah yes, it's 1-2 more 3rd party characters for Brawl. That's right.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I too believe Diddy is the best Smasher of GSSF, so I just can't wait to fight him in Brawl and see just how good I really am compared to him. I like to think I'm pretty good at Melee, but I guess I'll only know for sure once Brawl is released.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 07 March 2007 - 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just remember that Brawl will be a whole other game all togheter, not necencerly Melee-2 however that WOULD be nice. I'd still like to play a whole new game and discover it's new advanced techniques, but I'm sure SHHFLing is atleast back since if there's a Jump button, there's a short hop and L canceling was even in SSB64.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 07 March 2007 - 08:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              View PostDiddyKong, on Mar 7 2007, 08:54 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Being good in Melee has nothing to do with knowlegde about Brawl, but yeah aslong as BBL is gone (possibly one of the best Roy players in America) I'll enjoy my tittle as best Smasher from GSSF. :)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Now don't get too ****y, there's always someone else out there willing to throw you off your throne. *pops virtual knuckles* :( I'll challenge you to a fight as soon as this game comes out Diddy. I need to test my skillz. ;D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And I agree, Brawl will likely be too different from Melee, and most will have to re-learn it. I neveer could SHFFL though. :(

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 08 March 2007 - 11:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I actually think Brawl will be too much of the same to my liking. I like when you have to learn a bunch of new stuff, what's the fun in playing the same old thing with just a few added characters and arenas? However, it seems to me that Brawl will be exactly that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 05 April 2007 - 10:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The big addition to the series will be online, and technically the advances from SSB to SSBM were not extreme (other than graphics, of course).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I've been playing a little in my spare time, and I'm a little better. I still hate anybody who C-sticks, those cheap bastards.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 05 April 2007 - 01:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm calling all of you to visit me in Serbia for a bit of Melee. Come on, I'm waiting!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 05 April 2007 - 04:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        View PostSea_of_Time, on Apr 5 2007, 06:13 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The big addition to the series will be online, and technically the advances from SSB to SSBM were not extreme (other than graphics, of course).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've been playing a little in my spare time, and I'm a little better. I still hate anybody who C-sticks, those cheap bastards.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thou cannot use thea sacred power of the SHFFL properly without using thea o-mighty C-Stick! And I'm being serious here...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 05 April 2007 - 04:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm still allowed my hate!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But seriously, what's the difference between SHLLF and wavedashing, and how do you do them?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 05 April 2007 - 07:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's SHFFL, not SHLLF. It stands for Short Hop Fast Fall L-cancel. you do a short hop, attack, hold the stick down to fall fast, and L-cancel to regain fighting stance quicker. Wavedashing is where you jump, and (litterally) half a second later dodge midair to slide in the direction of the joystick. It allows you to slide along the ground while staying in a stationary fighting stance, which can be very helpful. I can barely wavedash myself, and not effectively. I can only dream of SHFFLing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            [EDIT] And I use the C-stick from time to time myself, but really only when I'm fighting my friend. It's the only way to keep up with him since he also uses the C-stick. Besides, it's not cheating if it was built into the game. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 05 April 2007 - 07:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The C-Stick is just a Smash attack done very quickly. You can accomplish the same thing by tapping the control stick and pressing A (but letting go very quickly), so that the character doesn't charge and glow yellow.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 06 April 2007 - 01:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Wow GL, you sure stay up late. ;) *points to sig* [/hipocrit]

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's true GL, but the C-stick is much easier to use. Takes up half as much brain power. :ph34r:

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 06 April 2007 - 04:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't understand how using the C-Stick is cheating. If I'm playing GT4 over a LAN, do I demand that all my friends use a Manual Transmission? No, because the developers intended for most players to use Automatic, so they could concentrate on the race at hand. It exists, therefore it is legal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now if I introduced a Mod for instant charge attacks, that might stir up some controversy...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 06 April 2007 - 05:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Although I very rarely use the C-stick I don't think it could be called cheating or even cheap. You may be able to do a smash attack faster that way, but you can't charge it with the C-stick.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 06 April 2007 - 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thing is, I can do both ways just as fast. The C-Stick is only really handy for SHFFLing since you don't have to use both hands and thus can easlier L-Cancel. People who call the C-Stick cheap have seen NOTHING of the game yet. ;) Waveshining, SH Lasering, Chain Throwing and Pilaring ftw!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 07 April 2007 - 01:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm just gonna take a guess and say that no one/few other people here know what any of those are.... ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Explain please?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 07 April 2007 - 03:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Waveshining= If you use Fox's Down B move, also called the Shine you can jump after the first frame and cancel all lag. And since wavedashing comes with jumping, you can wavedash out of the move and do it again and again and again... Fox's Shine move is also the only reason why he's so high in the Tier List, if he uses it of-stage, your dead. Note: I can't do it myself too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          SHLing aka Short Hop Lasering= Basically, short hopping Falco's B move the pistol. This way you execute it way faster and you can approach your opponent easly with it. Especially useful agaisnt large characters as Ganondorf, DK, Link and Bowser.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chain Throwing= A throw which has very little knockback but sets up for another grab. Sheik's Down Throw in the American version is a good example. Also, if your ever grabbed by an experienced Ice Climber you know what I mean.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Pilaring= Another Falco technique. Also excuted with the Down B move, also called the Shine. Falco's Shine hits you right up, and just as with Fox's move you can jump out of it after the first frame. By doing this you must use Falco's Down Aerial move, which hits the opponent straight down. Now Falco is the fastest faller in the game, so you must follow him/her and do the same.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 07 April 2007 - 03:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, I use Fox, and ever since I learned he could use that reflective shield thingy as an attack, I've tried doing it to finish off enemies. Unfortunately, I havn't quite mastered it. The only thing I can do in that list is SHLing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 07 April 2007 - 03:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I use Fox's and Falco's Reflector only when I'm surrounded by enemies, or when I'm in a tight spot. It's more useful to use it like that than for deflecting projectiles, which is its main function really.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 08 April 2007 - 02:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'd say it's more useful for diong what it was built to do. When you're using it as a weapon, you have to be extremely cloose to your target. That means running, jumping over your target, falling down on him, shining him, and jumping back out of harms way. All that so you won't get hit, and it doesn't even do much damage. Granted, in close quarters, or if you're surrounded, it can be useful. However, even then you still have to get close, and much closer than any enemy would need to be to launch an attack. Besides, my other friend uses Samus, and always shoots me with stuff. So it's a perfect match. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 08 April 2007 - 05:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  No you don't cause the Shine is EXTREMLY speedy. The fastest move in the game to be precise. Also, Fox is also a speed monster and his Wavedash is perfect so it IS actually the best way of using the move.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 08 April 2007 - 05:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You and I find different uses for the attack. You find the fact that it reflects projectiles very useful since your friend uses Samus, whilst I use it as a way to free myself from a bunch of fighters, since I alwayz play 4-player battles, so I'm bound to be in a tight spot a few times.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 08 April 2007 - 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Still the best use for the move is using it to Edgeguard. Anyone with a sucky vertical recovery will die from it. Trust me, anyone can do this. Just as doing the Up Throw and Uair combo with Fox... You don't even have to be pro to be an annoying space animal. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 08 April 2007 - 02:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        View PostAquamarine, on Apr 8 2007, 01:12 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You and I find different uses for the attack. You find the fact that it reflects projectiles very useful since your friend uses Samus, whilst I use it as a way to free myself from a bunch of fighters, since I alwayz play 4-player battles, so I'm bound to be in a tight spot a few times.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        EDIT: Actually, I was reffering to Toasty in this post. For some reason I didn't notice DK's post. X_X

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        EDIT 2: Man, I'm such an idiot. I wanted to just edit my previous post, but I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing, so I accidentaly posted a new one. Sorry about that, mods.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 28 April 2007 - 03:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sorry for the double post, but nobody has been posting in this topic for 20 days.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Some of you may know this already: http://www.nintendow...cfm?artid=13377

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          So Hideo Kojima, creator of Metal Gear Solid, says Brawl feels complete and is very fun. Although that might not mean a lot it's still interesting to know. Maybe a 2007 release is not out of the question after all? But is online play out of the question?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 28 April 2007 - 09:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Iwata recently confirmed that Brawl (as well as Galaxy) would definitely be coming out this year.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://wii.ign.com/a...4/784065p1.html

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 28 April 2007 - 10:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, I know about that too, but how much does a release date Nintendo specifies really mean? Because of their long history of delaying games we can't fully trust them, I think.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 28 April 2007 - 08:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Nah. Both games have been in development for a long time, and setting a release date late in the year suggests Ninty might've finally learned their lesson when it comes to announcing release dates.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 29 April 2007 - 01:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I would like something more definate, and I would like some more footage if they don't mind. I know Yoshi is in there, but a little footage for asurance wouldn't hurt. XD

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 29 April 2007 - 05:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Many people believe that Yoshi wasn't shown yet and that a Yoshi's Island stage has been shown because Yoshi might have Baby Mario on his back now. I think that would be awesome, no need for a Dr., Paper or Golfer Mario as a playable character then. -_-

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 29 April 2007 - 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If Ninty puts baby Mario on Yoshi's back, I'll disown them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 30 April 2007 - 03:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        View PostAquamarine, on Apr 29 2007, 04:12 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Many people believe that Yoshi wasn't shown yet and that a Yoshi's Island stage has been shown because Yoshi might have Baby Mario on his back now. I think that would be awesome, no need for a Dr., Paper or Golfer Mario as a playable character then. <_<

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Heck no, I don't want anything on Yoshi's back. Yoshi was fine the way he was. What would Baby Mario do for Yoshi? Just get in the way, like he does in Yoshi's Island.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.vgcats.co...s/?strip_id=203

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 01 May 2007 - 12:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          XD Yeah, I've read that comic before. But seriously, it's like over-using a good joke. Eventually, it'll go sour.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ...so help me, if you say ANYTHING, I'll do ...something....painful....or mabey rash...*glares at PS*

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 01 May 2007 - 01:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            you all have been talking about fox and falco, but i say the best pair are Roy and Marthe. i always win with them, and i set the CPU to max difficulty, with three foes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            but what would make the nxet SSMB game kick-*** would be if it had free roam envronments and larger scale multi player like in halo. only you could still have computer controlled foe. unlike halo.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 03 May 2007 - 09:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Fighting the CPU doesn't make you better against human players... Infact, I'd say it'd make you even worse since your getting predictable by fighting CPUs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Roy sucks btw. He really does.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 03 May 2007 - 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i bet i could take you on with roy any day of the week, with one arm tied behind my back, blindfolded.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 03 May 2007 - 11:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dude, I'm pretty good at Smash Bros. too, but saying I could beat someone with ease without actually playing against them is just stupid. How can you know that you're better than Diddy?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 03 May 2007 - 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    because i hold regular turnaments in my nieghborhood, and usaly win, by that i mean about 80-85% of the time. and these are tournies with up to twenty people.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 03 May 2007 - 06:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Good job. I haven't lost in over a year playing as Young Link, except against one guy who beats EVERYONE.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 03 May 2007 - 06:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        the problem lately is that i win so often it is harder to get some one to participate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 04 May 2007 - 09:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Now it's weird because I'm really really bad at Melee. Then again I rarely play it any more.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 04 May 2007 - 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            View Postescout, on May 3 2007, 06:16 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i bet i could take you on with roy any day of the week, with one arm tied behind my back, blindfolded.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah right... You even know how to SHFFL or Wavedash? Besides, my Donkey Kong eats Roys for breakfast and it's probarly the easiest matchup for me. Prepare to get totally destroyed after the first grab I get on you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Roy is a newbie character for newbies only. Not many pro players play him, and he's almost never seen in High Tier tournaments cause his matchups there are horrible. He's a decent Low Tier tournament character though, but you'd do better with Link, Luigi or DK.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 04 May 2007 - 12:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              when i'm not useing roy i use link. i just think roy has cooler looking moves and high power smash hits

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 04 May 2007 - 02:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah but competively wise, why would you even play Roy when Marth is just... better in everything? Roy's "power" is highly overrated, and his only finishing move is the Forward Smash which has some nasty lag afterwards. Besides, even what some people think the fire DOESN'T increase the damage of the moves... It's just a flashy effect. >_<

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 04 May 2007 - 07:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I use Marth for anoying speed attacks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 04 May 2007 - 07:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    At first I used Kirby, and got really, REALLY good with him. Before I switched to Roy, I had never lost a match using Kirby. After switching, it washard to use Kirby well, and I sucked. Hard. Now I use Fox, and though I'm no where as good as I used to be, I'm getting there. Very slowly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The problem with Roy is that he's slow. Speed is most likely the most important aspect in just about everything.Fox and Falco are both very fast, and because of that, they're high tier characters.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 04 May 2007 - 07:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Fox's gun cheats in Final Destination,only Ness,Fox,and Falco can stop it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 04 May 2007 - 08:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And that's because they have never ceasing anti-projectile defenses. Something no one else has.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Fox and Falco's shine is also a good finishing move. But above all, speed is the best thing to have in Super Smash Bros. If you're fast enough, you can take down anyone.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 05 May 2007 - 02:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Fox's lasers aren't unstoppable... Falco's are! Damn SHL screwing my DK over and over again. Btw, Falco's Shine isn't a good finishing move but it sets up for one nice finishing move though; his Down Aerial.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 05 May 2007 - 07:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            okay, you have all proven me wrong. roy sucks to use against human players. but i also use link because he has high versatilaty, with both short and long ranged attacks, along with some good speed. and he is a little heavier than roy so he is harder to knock off the screen at lower health.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 05 May 2007 - 01:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No character 'sucks'; you should choose the one which best suits your fighting style.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 05 May 2007 - 01:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                your right. i use both roy/marth and link. roy or marth against the computer, and link against human players. although i do switch it up on ocation to through off my oponents.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 05 May 2007 - 02:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  View PostSplit Infinity, on May 5 2007, 09:46 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  No character 'sucks'; you should choose the one which best suits your fighting style.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Completely agree with you there. I'm sick of reading how the so-called "experts" say that one character is very good, while another is awfuly bad. Every fighter can be powerful if you learn to use him well. Some are just better for a certain kind of situation than others. But as Split says, no character sucks. So keep on using Roy if you want to, escout.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 05 May 2007 - 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    the only reasons i don't like some characters, like ganondorf, is that although they might be strong, they are terably slow.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But however you look at it, Marth is better than Roy because he's faster. They both have the same moves, but since Marth is faster, you're better off playing with him. I still prefer Roy though. :angry:

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 05 May 2007 - 03:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i guess i have been using marth more beacuse he is fairly good and countering roy, which one of my friends has started using a lot, stealing all my stratagy. but marth sands fairly well against roy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 05 May 2007 - 03:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My friend uses Marth, and he'd beat me every time I used Roy. Then I switched to Fox and regained my status. :angry:

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 05 May 2007 - 04:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            too bad i can't face off agianst any of you guys. i need the added challenge. all the best players in the nieghbordood have gone out off town for the next few weeks for summer. or still have to finish thier last two or three weeks of classes. so i have no one other than the computer controlled players to practice agianst and i've lost the human element.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              the only reasons i don't like some characters, like ganondorf, is that although they might be strong, they are terably slow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There's always a trade-off. Then again, then enemy will come to you anyway.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Falco is the major win. Remember I said there's one one guy who still baets me? He plays Falco.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  so what. i bet i could beat you with marth or Link. but since well never square off, it is a moot point.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dude, stop accusing people of being inferior with no solid evidence!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i'm not, or least i'm not intending to. i'm just over confident. why not face me in a match and try to bring me down a peg. as soon as Brawl comes out and i get a wii, i'll go look for you online, and beat you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not getting a Wii. I have higher standards than that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          then we will never know who truly is the better player.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 05 May 2007 - 11:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I can imagine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            [EDIT] But that's spam so...er, Sheik is good?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not getting a Wii. I have higher standards than that.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Higher standards?" What does that mean?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Although I like speedy characters over slow but powerful ones in almost every game, I think Toasty is a bit underestimating fighters like Ganondorf. My brother's favorite character is Ganondorf, and he's very good with him. He can often beat me when I'm using Marth, who is one of my faves. Ganondorf has such crazy power, that not even an agile fighter can always defeat him.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 06 May 2007 - 07:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Marth counter is good when facing characters like Ganondorf.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 06 May 2007 - 07:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know, I love Marth's counter, one of my favorite moves in the whole game. It's just that my brother is REALLY good with Ganon, and Ganondorf has amazingly powerful attacks, while Marth's defence is pretty bad. Still, I often manage to beat him...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bowser is a slow-but-powerful character who is bad, though. And actually, I find Fox to be pretty bad, no matter what the "experts" say.


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