[Nick Presta]

Here is a nice Level 99 Setup you might consider:

Ultimate Equipment

NOTE: WORKS BEST FOR LEVEL 99 Setups.

Isaac
Class: Master
Weapon: Sol Blade
Head: Mythril Helm
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Valkyrie mail
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

This will give Isaac a 97% unleash rate with the Sol Blade. You agility wil be off the scale and you will be almost unstoppable with a nice healer in the mix.

Jenna
Class: Paladin
Weapon: Tisiphone Edge
Head: Psychic Circlet
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Mythril Clothes
Undershirt: Running Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Jenna will be able to deal damage as well as heal. Her unleash percentage (84%) isn't as high as Isaac or Felix but she will still be able to unleash enough to make a difference.

Mia
Class: Angel
Weapon: Lachesis' Rule
Head: Pure Circlet
Shield: Clear Bracelet
Chest: Iris Robe/Triton's Ward
Undershirt: Golden Shirt/Running Shirt
Boots: Golden Boots/Quick Boots
Ring: Any

Mia's class is different than what most people would choose. I chose Angel since that is the class with the highest water power. With the addition of the CB and PC, Mia's water power should be 150+. This will let Mia heal about 750+ with one Pure Wish. Add in the PP recovery of the Iris Robe and you have one super healer. She lacks the ability to revive, but Piers can do that.


Piers
Class: Necromage
Weapon: Dark Sword/Excalibur
Head: Fear Helm
Shield: Cosmos Shield
Chest: Xylion Armor
Undershirt: Running Shirt
Boots: Quick Boots
Ring: Cleric's Ring

If Piers attack isn't at 999, it will be with this setup. I chose the Cosmos Shield to resist the elements as well as super defense. Attack with Call Dullahan or your Excalibur (If you chose it) to deal damage.


Garet
Class: Ronin
Weapon: Excalibur
Head: Mythril Helm
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Mythril Clothes
Undershirt: Running Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Garet as a Ronin is very nice. Great defense, but the speed is an issue. I compensated by adding in the Running Shirt. An 84% unleash isn't too bad since he has nice psynergy that can be delt out to increase stats, or nice EPAs.

Felix
Class: Master
Weapon: Excalibur
Head: Mythril Helm
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Mythril Clothes
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Comment: This will give Felix a 94% unleash rate. He gets a Jupiter Boost for being a Master and is quick to deal that damage before your enemy can recover.

Ivan
Class: Ninja
Weapon: Tisiphone Edge
Head: Berserker Band
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Aeolian Cassock
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Ivan isn't an ultimate fighter, but he can do the job with his nice speed and max attack (999). He won't be your first choice but you'll be glad to have him dishing out damage while you recover.

Sheba
Class: White Mage
Weapon: Lachesis' Rule
Head: Psychic Circlet
Shield: Jester Armlet
Chest: Mysterious Robe
Undershirt: Mythril/Silk Shirt
Boots: Fur Boots
Ring: Any

The PP+ 30 and the PP regen +12 will be great for this White Mage. Has the ability to heal and revive whenever needed and is quick enough to do it.


*The above setup was created by me.




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I'm going to post many class setups that you can use:

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3 item class

Isaac - Protector (7 Mercury, 2 Venus)
Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Trainer’s Whip)
Mia - Warlock (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Piers - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)
Sheba - Acrobat (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Mysterious Card)

Isaac - Necromage (3 Mars, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Trainer’s Whip)
Mia - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Piers - Acrobat (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Mysterious Card)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)

Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Piers - Acrobat (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Mysterious Card)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Trainer’s Whip)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

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Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Luminer (6 Mercury set, 1 Mars set; 1 Mercury unset, 1 Jupiter
unset)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Sheba - Acrobat (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Mysterious Card)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Trainer's Whip)

Isaac - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Felix - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Trainer’s Whip)
Mia - White Mage (5 Jupiter, 3 Venus, 1 Mars)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)
Sheba - Acrobat (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Mysterious Card)

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2 item class

Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Necromage (3, Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Jenna - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Mia - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Piers - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Trainer's Whip)
Sheba - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)

Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Mars)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Trainer’s Whip)
Sheba - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)

Isaac - Necromage (3 Mars, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Jupiter)
Piers - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Trainer's Whip)
Sheba - Warlock (5 Mars, 4 Mercury)

Isaac - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Felix -Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Radiant (7 Mercury, 2 Mars)
Piers - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Trainer's Whip)
Mia - Guardian (8 Venus, 1 Mercury)
Ivan - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)
Sheba - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)

Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
*Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Trainer's Whip)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
*Piers - Water Monk (6 Mars, 2 Mercury, 1 Jupiter)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

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1 item class

Isaac - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Felix - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)
Garet - War Adept (7 Jupiter, 2 Mars)
Jenna - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Mia - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Piers - Guardian (8 Venus, 1 Mercury)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury)
Sheba - Warlock (5 Mars, 4 Mercury)

Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Jupiter)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Ninja (6 Mars, 3 Venus)
Sheba - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)

Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury)
Piers - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

Isaac - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Felix - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Garet - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Jupiter)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Oracle (7 Venus, 2 Jupiter)
Sheba - Fire Monk (6 Mars, 3 Jupiter)

Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Mia - Angel (9 Mercury)
Piers - Guardian (7 Venus, 1 Mercury, 1 Mars)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Conjurer (8 Mars, 1 Jupiter)


Isaac - Slayer (8 Venus, 1 unset Mars)
Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - War Adept (7 Jupiter, 2 Mars)
Jenna - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Mars)
Piers - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Ninja (6 Mars, 3 Venus)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

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Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Garet - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Piers - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Sage (8 Mercury, 1 Jupiter)

Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Bard (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter, 1 Mercury)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)

Isaac - Protector (7 Mercury, 2 Venus)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Piers - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Bard (4 Mercury, 4 Mars, 1 Jupiter)

Isaac - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Mars)
Jenna - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Jupiter)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Sorcerer (9 Jupiter)

Isaac - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Disciple (4 Venus, 4 Jupiter, 1 Mercury)
Mia - Angel (9 Mercury)
Piers - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Ivan - Ninja (6 Mars, 3 Venus)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

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Isaac - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Felix - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - War Adept (7 Jupiter, 2 Mars)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Piers - Oracle (7 Venus, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Warlock (5 Mars, 4 Mercury)
Sheba - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)

For under level 50
Isaac - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Piers - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Sheba - Sage (6 Mercury, 3 Jupiter)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)

Healer-intensive
Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Felix - Protector (7 Mercury, 2 Venus)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Justice (9 Mars)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Piers - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Warlock (5 Mars, 4 Mercury)
Sheba - Oracle (7 Venus, 2 Jupiter)

Isaac - Protector
Garet - War Adept
Piers - Oracle
Mia - Angel
Garet - War Adept
Jenna - Justice
Ivan - Oracle
Sheba - Guru

Isaac - Protector
Felix - Chaos Lord
Garet - Necromage
Mia - Wizard
Piers - Warlock
Ivan - Oracle
Jenna - Paladin
Sheba - Fire Monk (one extra Jupiter, one extra Mercury)

Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Isaac - Protector (7 Mercury, 2 Venus)
Jenna - War Adept (7 Jupiter, 2 Mars)
Garet - Chaos Lord (7 Venus, 2 Mars)
Piers - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Mia - Oracle (7 Venus, 2 Mercury)
Sheba - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)
Ivan - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Jupiter)

***From TheLordOf0rz***
Isaac: Ronin (4 Jupiter, 5 Mars)
Garet: Necromage (3 Mercury, Jupiter, and Venus)
Ivan: Beast Lord (3 Venus, Mercury, and Mars)
Mia: Water Monk (6 Mars, 3 Mercury)
Felix: Master (4 Mars, 5 Jupiter)
Jenna: Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Mercury)
Sheba: Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)
Piers: Oracle (7 Venus, 2 Mercury)

Isaac: Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet: Necromage (3 Venus, Mercury, and Jupiter)
Ivan: Beast Lord (3 Venus, Mercury, and Mars)
Mia: Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Felix: Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Jenna: Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba: Acrobat (3 Venus, Mercury, and Mars, one of which is Flash)
Piers: White Mage (3 Venus, Balm, Shade and 5 Jupiter)

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From X Ven0m X
Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury)
Piers - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

From HWC 101 - “Quick and Painless"
Isaac: Master (4 Mars, 5 Jupiter)
Garet: Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna: Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Felix: Master (4 Mars, 5 Juptier)
Mia: Angel (9 Mercury)
Piers: Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter)
Sheba: White Mage (3 Venus, 4 Mercury, 1 Mars, 1 Jupiter)
Ivan: Ninja (6 Mars, 3 Venus)


***By time in game (unset/useless djinn not included)***

Early game

Felix - Knight (2 Venus)
Jenna - Defender (2 Mercury)
Sheba - Magician (2 Jupiter)

Piers Joins

Felix - Ruffian (2 Mars)
Jenna - Illusionist (2 Jupiter)
Piers - Trainer (1 Venus, 1 Mars, 1 Jupiter, Trainer's Whip)
Sheba - Scholar (4 Mercury)

Sailing

Felix - Savage (4 Mars)
Jenna - Enchanter (4 Jupiter)
Piers - Shaman (4 Venus)
Sheba - Savant (5 Mercury)

Lemuria

Felix - Ninja (3 Mars, 3 Jupiter)
Jenna - Dragoon (3 Venus, 3 Mercury)
Piers - Medium (3 Venus, 3 Jupiter)
Sheba - Ranger (3 Mars, 3 Mercury)

or

Felix - Dragoon (3 Mars, 3 Mercury)
Jenna - Dragoon (3 Venus, 3 Mercury)
Piers - Beastkeeper (2 Venus, 2 Mars, 2 Jupiter, Trainer's Whip)
Sheba - Mage (4 Jupiter)

(or see "Sailing" for third option)

Jupiter Lighthouse

Felix - Disciple (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Templar (4 Venus, 4 Mercury)
Piers - Bard (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Sheba - White Mage (4 Mercury, 3 Venus)

Return of Isaac

Isaac - Berserker (6 Mars, 1 Venus)
Felix - Disciple (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Samurai (4 Venus, 3 Jupiter)
Jenna - Radiant (6 Mercury, 1 Mars)
Mia - White Mage (4 Jupiter, 3 Venus)
Piers - Bard (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Ivan - White Mage (4 Mercury, 3 Venus)
Sheba - White Mage (4 Mercury, 3 Venus)

or

Isaac - Disciple (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Felix - Guardian (6 Mercury, 1 Venus)
Garet - Disciple (4 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Samurai (4 Venus, 3 Jupiter)
Mia - Water Monk (6 Mars, 1 Mercury)
Piers - Bard (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Ivan - White Mage (4 Mercury, 3 Venus)
Sheba - White Mage (4 Mercury, 3 Venus)

or

Isaac - Berserker (6 Mars, 1 Venus)
Felix - Disciple (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Disciple (4 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Templar (4 Venus, 4 Mercury)
Mia - Sage (6 Jupiter, 1 Mercury)
Piers - Druid (6 Venus, 1 Mercury)
Ivan - Ranger (5 Mars, 3 Mercury)
Sheba - Sage (6 Mercury, 1 Jupiter)

*All credit to CelestialWrath or otherwise noted.

[MysticWarrior]

It's all based on opinion, nick.

[Nick Presta]

I understand that. Hence "you might consider".

Anyways, I have worked a lot with class setups and equipment and this works very, very well at level 99. Max stats, and max damage in most cases.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

if this team dosent suit you, look at page 3 or 4 for my odler team.









Dawg, plz, this? i like how you got them critical stuff, but I'd have to say, it dudnt work as well as THIS: "I have tried & mastered your setting already"
NOTE: This team is an advance,upgraded, and fixed version of John Q's "me" team that I submitted at GSS. So dont say i copied of him, cuz thats me.


Team One
Isaac: Choas Lord
Sol Blade
Mythril/ Warrior "Slight Sol Blade Boost" Helm
Riot Gloves
Valkyrie Mail
Running Shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

An ultimate offencive and defensive. stats go skyrocket, and you have the ability to bring back the dead. Unleash rate has a godly 98% chance "im guessing". Gives you the ability to cause 1300+ damger per Issac's turn.

Felix: Chaos Lord
Exaclibur
Mythril Helm
Riot Gloves
Enrymes Tunic
Stardust Ring
Runnign Shirt
Hyper Boots

[it]Same as isaac, excapt doubles your offencive advantage. less liekly to do 1300+ damge due to exaclibur[/i]

Jenna: Radiant
Tisiphone Edge
Demon Circlet "cursed"
Riot Gloves
Iris Robe
Golden Shirt
Hyper Boots
Stardust Ring

Offencive, and defensive. high unleash rate, high healing advantage. high PP recovery.


Mia: Pure Mage [can be switch with piers]
Lachesis Rule
Psychic Circlet
Riot Gloves
Mysterious Robe
Stardust Ring
Quick boots

Pure master of healing. PP revory rate is pass 25, enabling for you to have an iffinate freedom of pure wish. Good for long term battles. Critical rate is not important. She wont be doing much damage anwyas. Ability to revive the dead./


The switch team:

Garet: luminer/War adept if Sheba Sage
Exaclibur
Mythril Helm
Riot Gloves
Mythril Clothes
Stardust Ring
Mythril Shirt
Hyper Boots

[i]Same as felix offencively, except it adds another wonderfull set of healers to your group, incase one is down. if war adept, your just offence :P

Ivan: Pure Mage
Tisiphone Edge
Psychic Circlet
Riot Gloves
Mythril Clothes
mythril shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

[i]An extra healer in the team. Slight offencive use. high critical rate liek all offencives in the team. Ability to revive the dead.

Sheba: Dark Mage "thomeglaicon"/Sage
Lachesis Rule
Psychic Circlet
Riot Gloves
Mythril Shirt
Star Dust Ring
Hyper Boots

[i]For the dark mage, it bring a last resort revier.You can use as much dijinni as you want with EVER losing the REVIVE psyenergy. Also, keeps you form losing the revive ability when dijinni storm is used. everyone else is supposubly unbeatable, you dont really need her help. As for sage, adds another great addition of healers. Still, the fact that otehrs are still better, overrules.

Piers: Pure Mage "can be switch with Mia"
Exaclibur
Mythril helm
Riot Gloves
Mythril Clothes
mythril Shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

[i]Offence same as felix. Addss anotehr reviver and healer.


In short:
-5 healrs
-5 reviers
-6 offencives "very strong"
-all strong defncive
-Offencive psyenergy NOT needed
-SUMMONS NOT NEEDED "stil, can whop @$$ if yu choose too. Summon Iris twice in a few turns will be a peice of cake"

I made this due to a challenge someone gave me. Beat dullhan in battle arena at lv 99, with no summons or usage of water of lifes. And no offencive psyenergies. Apperantly, I accepted and accomplished the challange, and ressulted this setting. i have never lost a match in vs, after 164 fights. Undefeated.

Some of the attack power may not be as great as 920 for a few, but their ciritcal rate makes up for that. And criticals are far mor effective than just attack.

The problem with your team, is that there is an imbalance of Offence, and Defence. And you have to many low level class setings like ninja and white mage. Which is like two, but thats alot.

Take a look ^ uniqeness.

No one else has come up with soemthing simmilar. And i came up withj this before i had interenet, so dont be sayin i copied you or nothing.

BTW no offence if i said anything offencive.





Qutoe:

I understand that. Hence "you might consider".

Anyways, I have worked a lot with class setups and equipment and this works very, very well at level 99. Max stats, and max damage in most cases.



its time to try something new for a change.







-John Q-

[Nick Presta]

Alright. Your points are noted and I will refute them.

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Dawg, plz, this? i like how you got them critical stuff, but I'd have to say, it dudnt work as well as THIS: "I have tried & mastered your setting already"
NOTE: This team is an advance,upgraded, and fixed version of John Q's "me" team that I submitted at GSS. So dont say i copied of him, cuz thats me.


Team One
Isaac: Choas Lord
Sol Blade
Mythril/ Warrior "Slight Sol Blade Boost" Helm
Riot Gloves
Valkyrie Mail
Running Shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

An ultimate offencive and defensive. stats go skyrocket, and you have the ability to bring back the dead. Unleash rate has a godly 98% chance "im guessing". Gives you the ability to cause 1300+ damger per Issac's turn.

Can't argue here. Same as my Isaac. 97% unleash rate, not 98%.I prefer Master because it's quicker than a CL. Whatever.

Felix: Chaos Lord
Exaclibur
Mythril Helm
Riot Gloves
Enrymes Tunic
Stardust Ring
Runnign Shirt
Hyper Boots

Same as isaac, excapt doubles your offencive advantage. less liekly to do 1300+ damge due to exaclibur

If you're going CL, why not use the Tisiphone Edge. It will get a slightly better Venus boost. Not that it matters. Fine here.

Jenna: Radiant
Tisiphone Edge
Demon Circlet "cursed"
Riot Gloves
Iris Robe
Golden Shirt
Hyper Boots
Stardust Ring

Offencive, and defensive. high unleash rate, high healing advantage. high PP recovery.

At level 99 Jenna should be 900+ attack with just the Tisiphone Edge. Why bother making her a Radiant, PLUS having a Cursed Demon circlet with NO CLERIC'S RING!? I'll take a nice balanced Paldin.


Mia: Pure Mage [can be switch with piers]
Lachesis Rule
Psychic Circlet
Riot Gloves
Mysterious Robe
Stardust Ring
Quick boots

Pure master of healing. PP revory rate is pass 25, enabling for you to have an iffinate freedom of pure wish. Good for long term battles. Critical rate is not important. She wont be doing much damage anwyas. Ability to revive the dead.

I have to admit. The healing power of a Pure Mage can't be beat, except in the case of an Angel with Mercury Power boosting eqiupment. Your Pure Mage heals maybe 450HP/Pure Wish. My Angel heals 800. I have to heal less and I only need one healer where you have two. My Mia can do the same job as your Pure Mage with the except of a revive. But then again, at 800HP recovered per turn, who needs to revive.


The switch team:

Garet: luminer/War adept if Sheba Sage
Exaclibur
Mythril Helm
Riot Gloves
Mythril Clothes
Stardust Ring
Mythril Shirt
Hyper Boots

Same as felix offencively, except it adds another wonderfull set of healers to your group, incase one is down. if war adept, your just offence

By making Sheba a Sage, you would have a "low level class setings" as you said. A Sage is worse than a White Mage. I really don't understand why Garet is a try-hard healer with Unleash boosting equipment. The class isn't really great for either category either. Try again.

Ivan: Pure Mage
Tisiphone Edge
Psychic Circlet
Riot Gloves
Mythril Clothes
mythril shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

An extra healer in the team. Slight offencive use. high critical rate liek all offencives in the team. Ability to revive the dead.

Since Ivan can only heal 400HP/Pure Wish, you are going to run out of PP quick (in a prolonged battle of couse). Especially since you will probably be healing almost every turn. Why add critical boosting equipment to him. His attack will probably be in the high 800's not even enough to do over 1100HP of damage. Next!


Sheba: Dark Mage "thomeglaicon"/Sage
Lachesis Rule
Psychic Circlet
Riot Gloves
Mythril Shirt
Star Dust Ring
Hyper Boots

For the dark mage, it bring a last resort revier.You can use as much dijinni as you want with EVER losing the REVIVE psyenergy. Also, keeps you form losing the revive ability when dijinni storm is used. everyone else is supposubly unbeatable, you dont really need her help. As for sage, adds another great addition of healers. Still, the fact that otehrs are still better, overrules.

Here is the example of the "low level class setings" you spoke of. I don't care if she will retain revive. Her stats are CRAP even at level 99. No attack, no defense, no luck, no speed. You are basically a water of life able to switch out. NEXT!

Piers: Pure Mage "can be switch with Mia"
Exaclibur
Mythril helm
Riot Gloves
Mythril Clothes
mythril Shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

Offence same as felix. Addss anotehr reviver and healer.

How is the offense the same as Felix. You attack will be high 900's which is fine, but you claim him to be a healer (which he is), but he is CRAPPY at it.

In conclusion, in each team you have posted, you will have 2-3 people healing (2 per turn for sure if you want to win) and 1 person attacking every turn.

You lack in offensive and having good classes. Where you have 2-3 healing, I have 1-2, thus allowing me to deal more damage.

I don't care about records and whatnot. I play no djinn, no summons, psynergy attacking, and items only. If you play different, your classes couold go to hell and just summon rush.

Try putting your team against my team. And BTW, about my "low level class settings," at level 99, a White Mage and Ninja are actually decent due to the characters having max stats already. A Dark Mage (Black Book) is crap no matter what.

Thank you for reading.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

nick1presta, on Jun 23 2004, 08:52 PM, said:

Alright. Your points are noted and I will refute them.



In conclusion, in each team you have posted, you will have 2-3 people healing (2 per turn for sure if you want to win) and 1 person attacking every turn.

You lack in offensive and having good classes. Where you have 2-3 healing, I have 1-2, thus allowing me to deal more damage.

I don't care about records and whatnot. I play no djinn, no summons, psynergy attacking, and items only. If you play different, your classes couold go to hell and just summon rush.

Try putting your team against my team. And BTW, about my "low level class settings," at level 99, a White Mage and Ninja are actually decent due to the characters having max stats already. A Dark Mage (Black Book) is crap no matter what.

Thank you for reading.

Your missing the point.

My tema IS an offence. What you see there is a perfect balnce of defense and offence. Stats, mixed with equipment.

About dealing more damage. Your looking at attack power, not potenual. 999 attack compare to 900 isnt so great of a difference sicne their both massivly high. And as for the two chaos lords, their enough of an offence.

Liek u said about the low level clasess. Its all due to the high lv stats. If what you say is true, then YOU SHOULD NOT go agaisnt me saying the possiblilites of more damage. And even if you do more damge, you wont be able to kill me due to all the healing, AND the reviving. You need to make use of whatever you have. An ineffective attempted rush would cost you a battle if one dose not know how to use the seemingly useless things. its a quality one must have to win.

The black book has been PROVEN usefull even at its first stage. It has saved many that I know from suffering the effects of dijinn storm in a dullahan battle, and improves summoning rate sicnce there is nothing to worry about.

I have survived a mass attack of summoning before, it didnt work for one. its all icomes down to the use of stratagy & dijinni. IF one was to rush, their stats would be so low, they would die in the first turn. Due to the fact, almost evey member can casue 600-1400 damage by simply attacking.

Some of your guys may have a max attack, but attack isnt everything. A balanced status and a great stratagy will overcome one so offencive. You may casue, a little more damage, by about 200-350. but is that all? youll need 3 times of that to over come soemthing adn soemone thats hard to beat.

I may not be a gs freak and a geek or a nerd, but i show do my shiz.

I have read yours, but have you really read mine? it seems that you simply rushed when you looked at this.

[Nick Presta]

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Your missing the point. I'm not. Really.

My tema IS an offence. What you see there is a perfect balnce of defense and offence. Stats, mixed with equipment. Perfect isn't the right word. Nor is balance

About dealing more damage. Your looking at attack power, not potenual. 999 attack compare to 900 isnt so great of a difference sicne their both massivly high. And as for the two chaos lords, their enough of an offence. I know how to look at potential. I have the damage calculations programmed into my mind. All I think about is how the attack stats and damage formula will calculate.

Liek u said about the low level clasess. Its all due to the high lv stats. If what you say is true, then YOU SHOULD NOT go agaisnt me saying the possiblilites of more damage. And even if you do more damge, you wont be able to kill me due to all the healing, AND the reviving. You need to make use of whatever you have. An ineffective attempted rush would cost you a battle if one dose not know how to use the seemingly useless things. its a quality one must have to win. That is true. The Sage wouldn't be so bad if the other classes were top notch, yet they aren't. And the Dark Mage actually reduces stats *See list below*. Also, I know how to play. I wouldn't have an 'ineffective rush'

The black book has been PROVEN usefull even at its first stage. It has saved many that I know from suffering the effects of dijinn storm in a dullahan battle, and improves summoning rate sicnce there is nothing to worry about. It is useful in some cases, yet, with the decreased speed stat, I can almost assure I would go first, rendering your "Dark Mage Revivier" almost useless.

I have survived a mass attack of summoning before, it didnt work for one. its all icomes down to the use of stratagy & dijinni. IF one was to rush, their stats would be so low, they would die in the first turn. Due to the fact, almost evey member can casue 600-1400 damage by simply attacking. Read what I said. No djinn or summons, so while you survived summons with djinn, you would deal with neither against me. My whole party can deal 600+, almost. The ones that NEED to deal high damage do, consistently. Not everyone deal inconsistent damage.

Some of your guys may have a max attack, but attack isnt everything. A balanced status and a great stratagy will overcome one so offencive. You may casue, a little more damage, by about 200-350. but is that all? youll need 3 times of that to over come soemthing adn soemone thats hard to beat. You are missing the whole point. I woulnd't cause 250-300 more damage, I would cause 1000+ more damage. That is a big deal. And attack isn't anything really at level 99, since your attack will be so high naturally. It's about stats and the unleashing/setups.

I may not be a gs freak and a geek or a nerd, but i show do my shiz. I am not a gs freak and a geek either. I simply know the game well and defend what I know.

I have read yours, but have you really read mine? it seems that you simply rushed when you looked at this. I have read yours. That is why I created a huge response to it.

May I also remind you that you didn't really refute anything I said, you just changed around words to try and make it look like my points were invalid.

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Dark Mage (I)

HP 80%
PP 140%
Att 80%
Def 90%
Agi 140%
Lck 90%

Your HP, Attack, Defense, and Luck would all decrease, so yes, the Dark Mage does suck, even at level 99.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

nick1presta, on Jun 23 2004, 09:24 PM, said:

May I also remind you that you didn't really refute anything I said, you just changed around words to try and make it look like my points were invalid.

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Dark Mage (I)

HP 80%
PP 140%
Att 80%
Def 90%
Agi 140%
Lck 90%

Your HP, Attack, Defense, and Luck would all decrease, so yes, the Dark Mage does suck, even at level 99.

Again your missing the points. You basing you points through stats, not results. let me ask you, scince when do you use your sheba? Scince when do you switch around your character after every turn? Your team is inefficient "that word iss ssoo weak" cuz u lack a balance of offence and defense.

I left a point, you say all you need is 1-2 healers. If that is true, i can wasily kill them or seal their psyenergy. You cant back yourself up ocne their dead.

look, I had to rush for dinna, so i admit, i rushed when i read your SECOND post. So I had to do the best with my memory and try to make a point.

Why is it you only reply to one point? You ahve many more to come back agaisnt.

Well, im outta time.


iight g's, l8

[Nick Presta]

I will admit, having revive ALWAYS is good, but you wouldn't be able to seal my psynergy. Another advantage of classes. Everyone in my party has 10+ luck. My luck determines whether or not your status ailments will affect me. Most likely not. Your Dark Mage however has very low luck which I could use to my advantage.

Anyways, I think we've both presented our points. Good show.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

nick1presta, on Jun 23 2004, 09:57 PM, said:

I will admit, having revive ALWAYS is good, but you wouldn't be able to seal my psynergy. Another advantage of classes. Everyone in my party has 10+ luck. My luck determines whether or not your status ailments will affect me. Most likely not. Your Dark Mage however has very low luck which I could use to my advantage.

Anyways, I think we've both presented our points. Good show.

Yeah, id have to say, its been fun jsut trying 2 prove em.

Looks liek I stil got mo time.

Tell me, whats your strong points?

Still, you missjudge the fact that when there is a chanse, it can happen.

Also, the thing about your setting is that it fits your stats. Not everyone will ahve the same status.

Sheba is not ment to be used 90% of the time, incase backup is ever needed. it would still be wise to ahve more than 2 healers scicne they are very vunrable.

[Nick Presta]

Let's agree that we each like our own setups and we both think each others has it's points.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

nick1presta, on Jun 24 2004, 04:45 PM, said:

Let's agree that we each like our own setups and we both think each others has it's points.

Lol, endin this debate already? Alright. Iff u say so.

I'd be nice if we palce a poll up.

[Nick Presta]

I will post one if you don't take things personally.

Obviously, we vote for ourselves.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

no, ill im fine with losing on this one.

[MysticWarrior]

I think your setups are equal. I'll go add that option...

[Andross]

Like you even looked at them :P

nick's is clearly better. The stats easily add up. Flipside, you can't say "results are what count" because I doubt you've faced someone with your setup against nick's setup, and an experienced player with his setup at that.

[MysticWarrior]

Course I looked at them! I just didn't want to hurt one another's feelings! XD

[Nick Presta]

Awww. That's not the point of the poll. None of us will take it personally.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Andross, on Jun 24 2004, 07:37 PM, said:

Like you even looked at them -_-

nick's is clearly better. The stats easily add up. Flipside, you can't say "results are what count" because I doubt you've faced someone with your setup against nick's setup, and an experienced player with his setup at that.

If what you say is true, then perhaps stats is basicly all what an RPG is about. Like many, you looked at the stats, not the possible potentual it can cause. What and whom I face dosent matter, is what I can and will do. The weakness in his setup is his vunrability. Healers can be targeted easily, and most of the moves can be easily countered because fo the way its set up.

IOW, your looking about how much damage he can do. I can do just the same cand counter it with greater because of what psyenregy and dijinn settings my set up has given me.

A healer is always vunrable. A single turn can kill one if all is done well. If you lose a healer, thats it. A reviver would have a slim chanse of getting the healer back scicne there is only one.

Your probobly lvoting for him because you know him better. You havent exactly backed up your reason. Yeah, so what that quite a few people have bigger stats? Is that all you can tell me? My stats fit my setup, beasue all mine are strong enough to take wutever wherever.

To MysticWarrior:


Seriously, this is about being honest and thinking what you really belive. Its not really gonna prove anything if thats what everyone feels.

[kryptonite]

i think theyre equal...
nick has 2 bad people, while john has 1...
nick's eqipment is better, though...

[Nick Presta]

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IOW, your looking about how much damage he can do. I can do just the same cand counter it with greater because of what psyenregy and dijinn settings my set up has given me.

A healer is always vunrable. A single turn can kill one if all is done well. If you lose a healer, thats it. A reviver would have a slim chanse of getting the healer back scicne there is only one

How would you be able to take me down? You don't understand what we're trying to tell you. Your stats aren't good and you don't have specialized fighters or healers. How would you take out my healer when you can't even deal 1999 damage due to your 2-3 healers/revivers. I can deal over 2500 damage if I so desire, PLUS I can heal 800HP all in one turn. You can't do that. I don't care if you have your reviver Sheba and your healer Jenna. I would take out 2 of your people PER TURN.

Anyways, if you want it serious, then you really can't give an excuse for him choosing me. But people, please be serious.

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nick has 2 bad people, while john has 1...

We are talking about level 99 people. At level 99 a White Mage and Ninja are the same as a Pure Mage and Master...almost.

[kryptonite]

nick1presta, on Jun 25 2004, 02:48 AM, said:

We are talking about level 99 people. At level 99 a White Mage and Ninja are the same as a Pure Mage and Master...almost.

master has way better psynergy, but... -_-

[Nick Presta]

At level 99, you don't use psynergy at all (In almost every case) because your attack will deal more damage.

The exceptions are stat reducing psynergy and multi-hit EPAs.

[kryptonite]

nick1presta, on Jun 25 2004, 03:00 AM, said:

The exceptions are stat reducing psynergy and multi-hit EPAs.

exactly. ninja/master have a lot of those... even some that UPGRADE!!! -_-

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Do 2500 agaisnt a Dinox. Plz, you forgot to mention that I too ahve a defence! if your talkinga bout team damage, thats rather samll. 3024+ should be waht you should get, or avarage, based on what you say. I can heal up to near max in one turn beasue of my healers! You forget to see that my otehr guys can also. its also what you HAVE up on you party for abttle? Scicne when do you use a whole set of healrs all at once? My offence is enough to take 3 of your guys in at least in a turn!

Scince when did elemental resistance protect you from a sol blade or a formina sage, scicne when did a slightly higher defence protect you from someone who has a slightly smaller defence whop can heal inffinately,.


You havent back up enough info to saticefy me. Those are more of statements than comebacks.

[Nick Presta]

No. Against Dullahan, I can do 1200+ damage with each of my attackers (3 per party).

1200 * 3 = 3600 damage, plus Mia can heal 800HP.

Why are we even arguing.

I ask that only people who know what they're talking about vote. If you can't tell why the DarkSword sucks, then leave this topic and don't vote.

[kryptonite]

nick1presta, on Jun 25 2004, 03:23 AM, said:

I ask that only people who know what they're talking about vote. If you can't tell why the DarkSword sucks, then leave this topic and don't vote.

lol, the darksword doesnt... along with the other cursed items, it gives a HUGE attack boost compared to sol blade...

more attack power=more damage djinn will do

the NORMAL person wont only attack soley, theyll most likely use djinn!!!

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Well, it is a debate. And it makes it interesting. And besides, i cant do much till july comes. So i might as well make use of the little time i have and make soemthing interesting out of it.

Thats dullahan though. He's suppsoe to be weaker than a user at everything except HP and PP.

[Nick Presta]

I don't use the darksword in my team, so how could it be "one of my weaknesses."

You people don't know what you are talking about. I don't care that you pick Flips over mine, you just don't know why you're doing it.

[Nick Presta]

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lol, the darksword doesnt... along with the other cursed items, it gives a HUGE attack boost compared to sol blade...

more attack power=more damage djinn will do

the NORMAL person wont only attack soley, theyll most likely use djinn!!!

If I could, I would null your vote. The darksword is for raising attack for EPAs. At level 99, you HAVE MAX ATTACK. What don't you get. Anything that is used solely to increase attack is useless at level 99.

That's the whole point of NOT using the DarkSword. And incase you didn't read (which you didn't) this battle wouldn't be using Djinn or Summons, and if you use a Djinn in a linked battle, you deserve to die.


If you honestly think a Dark Mage is better than a White Mage and Ninja, you should seriously stop playing GS.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

nick1presta, on Jun 24 2004, 10:48 PM, said:

If you honestly think a Dark Mage is better than a White Mage and Ninja, you should seriously stop playing GS.

Dark mage isnt better, but it serves a purpose. Of course those two classes ARE better, but in my case i ont need a class like those.

[Nick Presta]

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Isaac: Cant beat that!

Felix: Once again, good offence? I like it! I'm all for offence

Jenna: Good to have offence, and a little defence on the same person. not to mention a little back up healing

Mia: One of the best healing classes! Good for when all your characters are down at low HP, seems to work!

Garet: Offence! yes! or reviving person? both are good.

Ivan: My ivan is a pure mage also. just another backup healer! and he is naturally fast, so he'll probably get first in there to heal, before the enemy attacks you again.

Sheba: Never lose revive? sounds great! I always suffer from healing problms with that djinn storm move.. seems to work out!

Piers: Offence and healing? great!

You grade them as if you are facing a boss. This is for LINKED BATTLE GAMES ONLY. I am smarter than Dullahan and I don't expect to sit back and let Flip heal with THREE HEALERS in a row. Nor do I have djinn storm so the Dark Mage is crap as it is. He has split classes for each characters. Each character can heal and attack but they AREN'T GOOD AT EITHER. Which means that he can't deal maximum damage nor heal maximum damage. His setup is average at best. Not to mention HIS CLASSES SUCK. A Dark Mage, Luminer, Radiant, all suck. They aren't best in any category and where picked for practical use ONLY. They wouldn't stand up in any real battle.

I am sorry that I posted 3 times in a row, but each post was addressing a different point. Also, this makes me mad because the people that voted probably suck at making classes and equipment setups since they don't consider a Dark Mage an automatic failure of a setup.

[MysticWarrior]

You're not that important that you deserve 1 post for each point, nick.

Also, didn't you say this was fair game? Now you're complaining that whoever voted for flipsider sucks at making classes.

[Nick Presta]

I don't care if they picked Flips over mine. I do care that they pick it for the wrong reasons.

The reasons why they picked flips don't follow logic. I am going to bring in people that know what classes are. We can settle it like that.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

nick1presta, on Jun 24 2004, 11:05 PM, said:

I don't care if they picked Flips over mine. I do care that they pick it for the wrong reasons.

The reasons why they picked flips don't follow logic. I am going to bring in people that know what classes are. We can settle it like that.

Where dose it not follow logic? I have an older team anyways, that i havent submitted thats very simmilar to yours "class setup". I perfer this beacause it's orginial scince im the only one that has it so far, and i wont be concidered a jock.

Anyways, Ive been thinking about how the battle wuld turn out. And it seems to be more on my side.

Yeah, you can deal 3000+ damage per turn, if you get lucky. Not every tisiphone edge and excalibur strike you make will be successfull. And that dullahan psyenergy is awfully weak. My downside is that your faster than I am. So you can make the first tstrike. The thing is though, the full potentual rate for both of us would be almost equal, with mine tilted alittle bit mroe due to soem of your equipment. So there's still a chance for me to revive or heal whateverr, while you still ahve the chance to kill me in the fisrt strike.


The scale is tilted though, because by anychance you kill my guys in teh first turn, i can get them back in the next, and it still up to luck weather you deal nay more damage on me or not. The thing is, i have so many revivers, that centering your attack on the ones who can revive and heal, would of less use than killing my offencives, scine they would be more of a decoy. The thing is, you dont ahve many of them, so it makes me easier to kill them, and not worry about them comming back.

One weakness i also saw is yuour ivan. he cant be a master for one, but your has a rather high offence. But you make his offence useless by placing non-critical items on him. Chances are, he wont be doing anything over 1000. But there is always a chance, is just that his is reduced by like 35%-60%+. So, ivan has little use of any offence.

Piers has this dullahan thing like you mentioned. The problem is, its only going to fit your stats. And, due to his equipment, your better off using dullahan than your excab, because critical rate is very low without any critical plus. So, there goes your offence.


Somehow, your piers and ivan have an amazingly high attack, one that can be obtained through something. It obivouslty dosent make scence how thease two can even reach that high. They would have to surpasss the attack growth of Felix and issac wih the sol blade and attack + equip. Expecially piers with his class. Not even my friends "glitch and altered" stats get that high, well, its close actually.

Id have tyo say your people are somehow altered to they even reach the stats you say. An avarage usser wont be able to have the stats you ahve. And to even ahve the stats that you have, youd have to gain more than 4 of attack perlevel with some of the people that you mentioned.





You have alot of offenceive classes, which some lack the meaning of offence. It will be harder for them to reach their full potentual.



Can can also say that yours dose not follow logic. Due to soem of the statuses you tiold me. i have tried your settings last night, and i ddint get what i thought id get. Expecially when most of the time, i got the biggest growth potentual for at least 78 levels.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Oh rgith, for got to put cleric's ring instead.

I had to try to remember this, my GB is at my friend house. That enrymes tuinc is actually a mythril clothes, and some oth the myrhtril shirts are running shirts.

Shebva had soem equipment, ill ahve to look.

Yeha, mia had a clear bracelet. Forgot to edit after copy and paste.

That iris robe was there to make PP recovery, i prolly had my armors switched with mia and jenna.

I missed hte ivan part.

I dont know what else. Ill ahve to check.

Felix suppose to have excab/tisiphone edge.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Sorry for the double post, but I dont think the posting thing will accept if it has too much words.


What I am about to palce here is my ultimate setup. I got my gameboy back, and I guess I was able to find out my ultimate setting. Well, isnt the other one your ultimate? Wrong, it could be, but it's what I use. This is very similar to Nick's, but mine has a perect balance. No weaknesses class wise, like a dark mage example, even though its ahrd to prove to many that it's usefull. This was my team before I made the one previously saw. its no longer very original though. Except the one you previously saw was missing some equipment and such that I wont bother to edit and update. here it is:


Ultimate Class Setting Legend
Class Version:
Class set version one / Version 2 / Version 3

What this means is that if you plan to use set one or two, you'll ahve to stick with whatever's given to make that set. like if soemone had wizard / ninja. if you pick ninja, youll have to have everybody else on whatevers on version two. [/QUOTE]

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Isaac: Master
Sol Blade
Warrior's Helm "Sol Blade Boost and criticals" / Mythril Helm
Riot Gloves
Valkyrie Mail
Golden Shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

Master of offencive. First strike, first kil, first serve. Critial's increase up to 99%, cause an unstoppable megiddo unleash every turn, unless luck isn't on your side. Use your stardust to seal psyenergy if needed. With Warriors Helm, your sol blades attack wpower will be boosted.

Felix: Master / Ronin
Tisiphone Edge or Excalibur
Mythril Helm
Riot Gloves
Mythril Clothes or Enrymes Tunic "for attack and critical boost"
Mythril Shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

Simmilar to Isaac, he is a master of offencive, though the scale is tilted becasue of the chanses of getting full potental with his tisiphone edge or excab. With T-edge, your attack will increase by some percent due to earth pwoer. Criticals are 99%, make good use of it. Also, due to your first strike, make use of your stardust ring and amke an attempt to seal psyenergy. it's gonna be tough, but if it works, hey, you win. If your ronin, make him use the defense boosters.

Jenna: Paladin
Tisiphone Edge
Demon Circlet "Max Defence and criticals"
Riot Gloves
Iris Robe
Running Shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

Strong in offence, strong in defence. A perfect balance. With a 80 soemthing % of criticals, tisiphone edge is still deadly. Recovers 12 PP every turn, so you wont have to worry about loosing much PP.

Mia: Angel or Guardian / Angel / Angel
Lachesis' Rule
Psychic Circlet
Clear Bracelet
Triton's Ward
Running Shirt
Guardian Ring
Golden Boots

All defence, all healing. Revives, strong water power elemental with Pure Wish and Ply, your in for a healing! use her great water powers to heal greatly. You feel the concept. If you pick version two, youll be healing 800 each with pure wish, but you'll lose revive.

Piers: Guardian or Guru / Pure Mage / Guardian
Excalibur
Mythril Helm
Riot Gloves
Mythril Clothes
Running Shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

Offence and Defence again. His attack should be 800-890 at lv 99, so this should work fairly well. Take advantage of your 99% criticals, and make use of your healing wehn needed. If your using verison two, make use fo the revives.

Ivan: Necromage or Wizard / Ninja / Guru
Tisiphone Edge
Psychic Circlet / Beserker Band / Beserker Band
Clear Bracelet / Riot Gloves / Riot Gloves
Triton's Ward / Mythril Clothes / Myhtril Clothes
Mythril Shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

Not much of offence, make use of your healing. The slight water pwoer boost WILL help you out bit. Incase needed, make use of what little criticals you have, and just do extra damage with your T-Edge. If your using version 2, make use of his unleashes incase needed. And make use of his speed for first strike. If your using the third version, mkae use of his revives and criticals.

Garet: Master / Ronin / Master
Tisiphone Edge, Excalibur
Mythril Helm
Riot Gloves,
Mythril Clothes
Mythril Shirt
Stardust Ring
Hyper Boots

Same stratagy as Felix and Isaac. Unless your Ronin in vr 2. If your ronin, use your defense boosters. Another offencive in your party. Make use of your 99% criticals.

Sheba: Guru or Necromage/ Necrolyte / Necromage
Lachesis Rule
Psychic Circlet
Leda's Bracelet
Aeolian Cassock
Stardust Ring
Mythril Shirt
Quick Boots

Make use of her Call Dullahan, with increased wind power, you should deal some HEAVY damage. And dont forget Revive, your dead wil lneed aid. Her real purpose is to revive though. She is one of the few of the revive, so make use of sheba, and keep her from dieing. If your using version two, you'll lose the dullahan ability. So make use of whatever move she has like poison flow and revive.


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That wraps up my ancient team. It will suit most of the tastes here. The weakness is it's vunrability i'd have to say. 2 Revivers just dosen't suit me, but I've always loved the Master Class, so i'd ahve to say I like this one better than my other team. No, i didn't copy nick scicne this tema was older than my other one, and i didnt even have my calbe running at that time. Though, i'd ahve to say its very similar. Perhaps this qill turn up the heat in this competition.

So, whats this team got what nick dosent? Well, all full class maxed. Tons of offence, tons of defense, and a ton of speed and elemental power. Well, their fairly the same. Except of soem of the clasess, like his ivan on ninja and piers on necro. They jsut arent ment for that. And his pier lacks the offencive potentual that he can actually have with this team. His sheba lacks the stats to survive. Similar to my Ivan. The rest is up to skill, stratagy, and stats.

Ill have to say, its not possible that someone's Piers and Ivan to ahve 999 attack with your clases normally nick. Like that dude said above.

[Nick Presta]

Since you brought up a new setup, I guess it's only fair that I can. Who knows how long you've had that setup. For all anyone knows, you made that last night after hearing comentary.

Anyways, I'll post a revised setup soon.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

nick1presta, on Jun 26 2004, 11:43 AM, said:

Since you brought up a new setup, I guess it's only fair that I can. Who knows how long you've had that setup. For all anyone knows, you made that last night after hearing comentary.

Anyways, I'll post a revised setup soon.

[EDIT]
Oh, didnt read that.

I have one thats slightly newr one than my previous thats conists of 3 paladins, 2 pure mages, a war adept, a ninja, and a necrolyte.

[kryptonite]

Cade, on Jun 25 2004, 03:43 AM, said:

Plus, with the darksword, you cant have godly unleash power. And if you think "hey, ill use djinni" then there goes ur powerful class, which ruins the point of the darksword boost anyways. And thats just one of Nick's weaknesses in his team. I dont have enough time to list all of them. :o

i wouldnt call excalibur or tisiphone edge "godly"... thayre so unreliable unless you stuff the user with tons of critical-boosting items...

the darksword is dependable for doing decent damage 100% because of its high attack power...

also, excalibur has a WIND unleash... no wind adepts can equip it...

with the darksword, no earth adepts should be able to equip the tisiphone edge, only fire, water, and wind adepts...

[Nick Presta]

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i wouldnt call excalibur or tisiphone edge "godly"... thayre so unreliable unless you stuff the user with tons of critical-boosting items...

the darksword is dependable for doing decent damage 100% because of its high attack power...

also, excalibur has a WIND unleash... no wind adepts can equip it...

with the darksword, no earth adepts should be able to equip the tisiphone edge, only fire, water, and wind adepts...

What are you smoking? <_<

Sol Blade, Excalibur and Tisiphone Edge all have Godly unleashes becasue they can hit with 3x damage, which is Godly. Even if they don't unleash for 3 times damage, they still do very high damage.

Yes, the DarkSword does have the highest attack increase, but the unleash is horrible. A normal attack from a DarkSword should beat a normal attack from a Tisiphone Edge, if there was a major difference in attack power. At level 99 attack is so high and the characters are equipped with unleash increasing items that the Excalibur, Tisiphone Edge and Sol Blade all beat it.

Yes, Excalibur does have a Jupiter unleash, and no Jupiter Adepts can equip it. But if you notice, Felix/Isaac/Garet can become masters which is used by setting Jupiter Djinn, thus giving them Jupiter Power.

I didn't get your last point.

[Eugine]

Yeah but when they gain Jupiter powers that don't make them a Jupiter Adept...

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

kryptonite, on Jun 27 2004, 12:57 PM, said:

i wouldnt call excalibur or tisiphone edge "godly"... thayre so unreliable unless you stuff the user with tons of critical-boosting items...

the darksword is dependable for doing decent damage 100% because of its high attack power...

also, excalibur has a WIND unleash... no wind adepts can equip it...

with the darksword, no earth adepts should be able to equip the tisiphone edge, only fire, water, and wind adepts...

Well, think about this,

what nick said about lv 99 is true. Your better off doing psyenergy attaacks when you ahve the darksword. The damage difference would be off by 900 or soemthing anyways if you do unleash. So the darksword is pretty pointless.

In many cases, damge ower is all you need. You don't exactly need much of any elelemntal boost whith any weapon because it already dose so much by itself, depending on who you equip it on.

Point is, your darksword aint goin to do any stronger damage thna the excab when they are used as it's best.

[kryptonite]

nick1presta, on Jun 27 2004, 11:51 PM, said:

I didn't get your last point.

lol...

if felix has darksword and issac sol blade, no earth adepts have room for tisiphone edge...

lol... the darksword's +25 attack power (fear helm +terra shield) will make djinn THAT MUCH stronger!!! dont forget EPA psynergy!!! :) sol blade and tisiphone edge and excalibur dont do as much to THEM... dont tell me you dont use djinn or EPA psynergy!!!

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

kryptonite, on Jul 8 2004, 07:35 PM, said:

lol...

if felix has darksword and issac sol blade, no earth adepts have room for tisiphone edge...

lol... the darksword's +25 attack power (fear helm +terra shield) will make djinn THAT MUCH stronger!!! dont forget EPA psynergy!!! :mellow: sol blade and tisiphone edge and excalibur dont do as much to THEM... dont tell me you dont use djinn or EPA psynergy!!!

But compare to sol blade and excab and t-edge, the dfifference youll get is about several hundreds.....

[Nick Presta]

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sol blade and tisiphone edge and excalibur dont do as much to THEM... dont tell me you dont use djinn or EPA psynergy!!!

Not at level 99. You don't unleash djinn what so ever at level 99, and the only EPA really used is Call Dullahan and Quick Strike.

And the Darksword for example would do 600dmg without unleash and the Tisiphone Edge would do 450dmg without unleash, yet with all the unleash boosting equipment, the Tisiphone Edge will unleash loads more than not and you will be doing loads more damage than the Darksword.

[Primal]

I don't bother with all this rng and ultimate setup stuff. I prefer to just play a game without having to think about numbers taking it too seriously. I prefer to have fun when playing a game.

[kryptonite]

lol, i prefer to have psynergy thats good and looks good!!! (ronin, master)

and weapons too :!:

[Dullahan]

i find my set up better than them both, but i'm going now so i'll post it tomorrow.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Dullahan, on Jul 16 2004, 11:48 AM, said:

i find my set up better than them both, but i'm going now so i'll post it tomorrow.

i seriously doubt you've found soemthing better than anything here, but go ahead. your stuff.

[kryptonite]

ill post mine here soon... my classes arent too great (two warlocks X_X), but... i like it!!! :lol:

[Dullahan]

i'll post it as soon as finish writing it down, which i nearly have.

[Dullahan]

Firstly, i apologize for the double post.
Secondly, this party will get better as it levels up (obviously)
Here is Dullahan's eagerly anticipated set up;

Party Name: Slay! Maim! Kill!
Stragey: This party is very attack focused and does the attacking mostly with the devastating front party, to obtain the good classes for the front a member of the back has been sacrificed (Ivan), but i'm considering using a Tomegathericon. The front party kills everything a the back does the healing. The front all have 30 Mist potions.

Front Party

Felix Current Level=63
Class= Master. HP=1340
Weapon=Sol Blade. PP=342
Helm=Gloria Helm. Attack=816
Gloves=Riot Gloves. Defence=415
Armor=Valkyrie Mail. Agility=535
Boots=Hyper Boots. Luck=12
Ring=Guardian Ring.
Shirt=Golden Shirt.
Additional Items=Mist Potion x30, Water of Life x8.

Felix is the main attacker, Meggido is an almost certaintity, the most reliable source of damage in the party.

Isaac Current Level=62
Class=Master. HP=1258
Weapon=Excalibur. PP=324
Helm=Gloria Helm. Attack=795
Gloves=Riot Gloves. Defence=407
Armor=Xylion Armor. Agility=520
Boots=Dragon Boots Luck=13
Ring=Cleric's Ring.
Shirt=Mythril Shirt.
Additional Items=Mist Potion x30, Water of Life x8.

Legend, although stronger than Meggido (if all three hit) is unleashed alot less, but a turn rarely passes without either Isaac or Garet unleashing. Dragon boots being prefering to hyper boots for defense and resistance.

Garet Current Level=61
Class=Master. HP=1224
Weapon=Excalibur. PP=304
Helm=Gloria Helm. Attack=763
Gloves=Riot Gloves. Defence=417
Armor=Xylion Armor. Agility=484
Boots=Golden Boots. Luck=5
Ring=Fairy Ring.
Shirt=Mythril Shirt.
Additional Items=Mist Potion x30, Water of Life x8, Trident.

Legend, although stronger than Meggido (if all three hit) is unleashed alot less, but a turn rarely passes without either Isaac or Garet unleashing. Has the golden shirt to try keep his agility up with the other two Masters. Dragon boots being prefering to hyper boots for defense and resistance.

Jenna Current Level=63
Class=Chaos Lord. HP=1182
Weapon=Tisiphone Edge. PP=244
Helm=Beserker Band. Attack=829
Gloves=Riot Gloves. Defence=379
Armor=Iris Robe. Agility=409
Boots=Dragon Boots. Luck=14
Ring=Unicorn Ring.
Shirt=Mythril Shirt.
Additional Items=Mist Potion x30, Water of Life x8.

Another solid member of the party, 200 fire resist makes fire attacks worthless and a high attack makes Vengeance lethal.

Back Party

Sheba Current Level=54
Class=Sage. HP=754
Weapon=Lachesis' Rule. PP=361
Helm=Beserker Band. Attack=494
Gloves=Riot Gloves. Defence=317
Armor=Triton's Ward. Agility=387
Boots=Hyper Boots. Luck=9
Ring=Unicorn Ring.
Shirt=Mythril Shirt.
Additional Items=None.

Sheba has her uses, despite her bad class, she has a variety of healing moves and trition's ward to strengthen them.

Mia Current Level=53
Class=Angel. HP=803
Weapon=Lachesis' Rule. PP=328
Helm=Beserker Band. Attack=548
Gloves=Riot Gloves. Defence=351
Armor=Triton's Ward. Agility=243
Boots=Hyper Boots. Luck=13
Ring=Stardust Ring.
Shirt=Silk Shirt.
Additional Items=None.

Mia is kept as an angel for healing reasons, and with Triton's Ward she has 180 Water power and 200 resist, very useful, i ran out of mythril shirts for the last three characters and i can't get anymore game tickets for anymore.

Piers Current Level=54
Class=Oracle. HP=911
Weapon=Tisiphone Edge. PP=300
Helm=Gloria Helm. Attack=581
Gloves=Riot Gloves. Defence=350
Armor=Xylion Armor. Agility=352
Boots=Dragon Boots. Luck=9
Ring=Stardust Ring.
Shirt=Running Shirt.
Additional Items=None.

In my opinion, Oracle is the best healer, it has all the cures, wishes and Revive, making Piers a vital member of the team. He also has his uses on the attacking front.

Ivan Current Level=53
Class=Guru. HP=810
Weapon=Tisiphone Edge. PP=324
Helm=Beseker Band. Attack=604
Gloves=Riot Gloves. Defence=364
Armor=Mysterios Robe. Agility=423
Boots=Hyper Boots. Luck=8
Ring=Adept Ring.
Shirt= Running Shirt.
Additional Items=None.

Ivan is the only member of the back party who can't use wish or even heal, he has a potent Vengeance and is useful for taking a few hits.

I intend to get this party to lvl 99 and i'm expecting the front party to all ahve 999 attack. This party relies on brute force over rngs and proof of it's achievements are that this is the party i beat Dullahan with, without using a single summon.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Dullahan, on Jul 22 2004, 05:55 AM, said:

Firstly, i apologize for the double post.
Secondly, this party will get better as it levels up (obviously)
Here is Dullahan's eagerly anticipated set up;

Party Name: Slay! Maim! Kill!
Stragey: This party is very attack focused and does the attacking mostly with the devastating front party, to obtain the good classes for the front a member of the back has been sacrificed (Ivan), but i'm considering using a Tomegathericon.  The front party kills everything a the back does the healing. The front all have 30 Mist potions.

Front Party

Felix                                  Current Level=63
Class= Master.                    HP=1340
Weapon=Sol Blade.              PP=342
Helm=Gloria Helm.              Attack=816
Gloves=Riot Gloves.            Defence=415
Armor=Valkyrie Mail.          Agility=535
Boots=Hyper Boots.            Luck=12
Ring=Guardian Ring.
Shirt=Golden Shirt.
Additional Items=Mist Potion x30, Water of Life x8.

Felix is the main attacker, Meggido is an almost certaintity, the most reliable source of damage in the party.

Isaac                                  Current Level=62
Class=Master.                      HP=1258
Weapon=Excalibur.                PP=324
Helm=Gloria Helm.                Attack=795
Gloves=Riot Gloves.              Defence=407
Armor=Xylion Armor.            Agility=520
Boots=Dragon Boots            Luck=13
Ring=Cleric's Ring.
Shirt=Mythril Shirt.
Additional Items=Mist Potion x30, Water of Life x8.

Legend, although stronger than Meggido (if all three hit) is unleashed alot less, but a turn rarely passes without either Isaac or Garet unleashing.  Dragon boots being prefering to hyper boots for defense and resistance.

Garet                                  Current Level=61
Class=Master.                        HP=1224
Weapon=Excalibur.                PP=304
Helm=Gloria Helm.                Attack=763 
Gloves=Riot Gloves.              Defence=417
Armor=Xylion Armor.            Agility=484
Boots=Golden Boots.              Luck=5
Ring=Fairy Ring.
Shirt=Mythril Shirt.
Additional Items=Mist Potion x30, Water of Life x8, Trident.

Legend, although stronger than Meggido (if all three hit) is unleashed alot less, but a turn rarely passes without either Isaac or Garet unleashing.  Has the golden shirt to try keep his agility up with the other two Masters.  Dragon boots being prefering to hyper boots for defense and resistance.

Jenna                                  Current Level=63
Class=Chaos Lord.                HP=1182
Weapon=Tisiphone Edge.        PP=244
Helm=Beserker Band.            Attack=829
Gloves=Riot Gloves.              Defence=379
Armor=Iris Robe.                  Agility=409
Boots=Dragon Boots.              Luck=14
Ring=Unicorn Ring.
Shirt=Mythril Shirt.
Additional Items=Mist Potion x30, Water of Life x8.

Another solid member of the party, 200 fire resist makes fire attacks worthless and a high attack makes Vengeance lethal.

Back Party

Sheba                                  Current Level=54
Class=Sage.                          HP=754
Weapon=Lachesis' Rule.        PP=361
Helm=Beserker Band.            Attack=494 
Gloves=Riot Gloves.              Defence=317
Armor=Triton's Ward.            Agility=387
Boots=Hyper Boots.              Luck=9
Ring=Unicorn Ring.
Shirt=Mythril Shirt.
Additional Items=None.

Sheba has her uses, despite her bad class, she has a variety of healing moves and trition's ward to strengthen them.

Mia                                    Current Level=53
Class=Angel.                        HP=803
Weapon=Lachesis' Rule.        PP=328
Helm=Beserker Band.          Attack=548 
Gloves=Riot Gloves.              Defence=351
Armor=Triton's Ward.          Agility=243
Boots=Hyper Boots.              Luck=13
Ring=Stardust Ring.
Shirt=Silk Shirt.
Additional Items=None.

Mia is kept as an angel for healing reasons, and with Triton's Ward she has 180 Water power and 200 resist, very useful, i ran out of mythril shirts for the last three characters and i can't get anymore game tickets for anymore.

Piers                                  Current Level=54
Class=Oracle.                      HP=911
Weapon=Tisiphone Edge.      PP=300
Helm=Gloria Helm.              Attack=581 
Gloves=Riot Gloves.            Defence=350
Armor=Xylion Armor.          Agility=352
Boots=Dragon Boots.          Luck=9
Ring=Stardust Ring.
Shirt=Running Shirt.
Additional Items=None.

In my opinion, Oracle is the best healer, it has all the cures, wishes and Revive, making Piers a vital member of the team.  He also has his uses on the attacking front.

Ivan                                    Current Level=53
Class=Guru.                          HP=810
Weapon=Tisiphone Edge.        PP=324
Helm=Beseker Band.            Attack=604 
Gloves=Riot Gloves.              Defence=364
Armor=Mysterios Robe.          Agility=423
Boots=Hyper Boots.              Luck=8
Ring=Adept Ring.
Shirt= Running Shirt.
Additional Items=None.

Ivan is the only member of the back party who can't use wish or even heal, he has a potent Vengeance and is useful for taking a few hits.

I intend to get this party to lvl 99 and i'm expecting the front party to all ahve 999 attack.  This party relies on brute force over rngs and proof of it's achievements are that this is the party i beat Dullahan with, without using a single summon.

Well, you see, your absing potentual through records. With the setups posted by me and nicks, it also can be done.

The problem with most of your offencive's is that they have a setup which allows them to do criticals, but lowers the chances because of the gloria helm. 10 HP recovery isnt going to save you from an attack which can do 800+ to your guy. And with weapons such as T-edge and excab, critical ratio is going to be very important due to the chanses of not always getting full potentual. Which is also why Xylion armor isnt helping.


Your classes are fairly balanced. Several healers and 2 revivers. But their equipment isnt helping much. Such as sheba, she would need a pure circlet at least to overweigh her low class.

As for Mia, she has tons of offencive equipment when she is almost usless offencively. You should equip some PP recovery equipment like Psychic circlet ffor PP recovery "Pure Wish uses alot of PP, which will drain your magic quick", or some water boosters instead.

Ass for Piers, your equpment setup isn't helping eather. You have a critical required weapon with almost no critical bonus advantage. Your better off eqquiping him with a Dark Sword. Elemental resistance isnt going to help you agaisnt an attack which can do 800+ 'in other words, lose the boots if your goignt o ahve any offencvie". Also, a problem with Piers is that he wont be able to recover PP. Running out is going to hurt you in a long term battle.

Ivan seems to be more usefull than Piers offencivly. At least you got a few critical bosterss. But it isnt going to help your vengence any, its noit enough. Your better off casting spark plasma for your offencive.

Your party relies on brute force, likje you said, but lacks the "bruteness" in it. Offence isnt the core strength of this team. Your class setup is alright, though its very vunrable due to the calssess you placed up o nthe people with. Only 2 healers and 2 revivers, but lacks the power to reach its potentual.

[Midoriko_Tashim]

I've only found the best equipment for Isaac.


Level:99
Class: Paladin
Weapon: Sol blade
Armour: Valkeryie Mail
Sheild/Gloves: Riot Gloves
Helm: Alastors Hood/ Mellinium helm (doesnt really matter)
Shirt:Golden shirt
Boots: Golden boots
Ring: Golden Ring/Gaurdian ring
Djinni: 5 Mars 4 Mercury or reversed I can't remember the djinni

Stats:
-Atk 999
-Def 540-600 (depends if you used all hard nuts on him)
-Agl 720
-Lck 10-12
HP:1XXX Depends on apples and which Djinni you use
PP: 5XX-61X

[Nick Presta]

You would get much better stats from this:

Isaac
Class: Master
Weapon: Sol blade
Armour: Valkeryie Mail
Sheild/Gloves: Riot Gloves
Helm: Mythril Helm
Shirt: Golden Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Gaurdian ring

Attack: 999
Defense: 480+
AGL: High 800's
LCK: 5-7
HP: 15xx
PP: Who cares? You won't be needing it.

You would have higher unleash percentage and higher AGL to attack more often, better, and faster.

[Dullahan]

o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o, on Jul 27 2004, 05:03 PM, said:

Your party relies on brute force, likje you said, but lacks the "bruteness" in it. Offence  isnt the core strength of this team. Your class setup is alright, though its very vunrable due to the calssess you placed up o nthe people with. Only 2 healers and 2 revivers, but lacks the power to reach its potentual.

You do realise the front party does most of the work, equipment that happens to raise attack is there because it gives the best defence, that's why Gloria Helm is there. The back is there to heal/revive the front. If all goes well a tough boss like Dullahan can be effectively dead before i run into troulbe. You say my party would struggle in drawn out battles, the simple answer to that is that battle don't get dragged out, Dullahan is the only enemy that can generally survive more than 6 or 7 turns, the doom dragon is dead is five. With a high defence i take less damage and therefore need to heal less, hence there are few healers, the front party's Mist Potions heal fine.

[Nick Presta]

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If all goes well a tough boss like Dullahan can be effectively dead before i run into troulbe. You say my party would struggle in drawn out battles, the simple answer to that is that battle don't get dragged out, Dullahan is the only enemy that can generally survive more than 6 or 7 turns, the doom dragon is dead is five.

These setups aren't for the game. In reality, in game battles and linked battles are very different.

And the reason why you would last against Dullahan is because he does his stupid Elemental Swap. Do you honestly think a human player would waste such a turn?

I would be attacking you every damn turn focusing on your reviver and make sure she/he were dead in one turn. Then to kill your other two in 1 turn. Two turns and I could take out your whole front line up.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Dullahan, on Jul 31 2004, 07:29 AM, said:

You do realise the front party does most of the work, equipment that happens to raise attack is there because it gives the best defence, that's why Gloria Helm is there.  The back is there to heal/revive the front.  If all goes well a tough boss like Dullahan can be effectively dead before i run into troulbe.  You say my party would struggle in drawn out battles, the simple answer to that is that battle don't get dragged out, Dullahan is the only enemy that can generally survive more than 6 or 7 turns, the doom dragon is dead is five.  With a high defence i take less damage and therefore need to heal less, hence there are few healers, the front party's Mist Potions heal fine.

But you see, your attack power isnt going to matter because its high enough. The damage difference would differ greatly on the number of unleashes. Your defence is also highj enough. Besides, the ciritcal item boosts give you a bigger edge.

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I would be attacking you every damn turn focusing on your reviver and make sure she/he were dead in one turn. Then to kill your other two in 1 turn. Two turns and I could take out your whole front line up.

If you think about it, two turns in kiling an enemy party is unlikely if both were lv 99 without summons.

1- The only way thats possible is that the sol blade were to do a critical, and both T-edges and/or Excaliburs were to hit at maximum damage. Which dosent happen all the time, even with maximum critical ratio with all critical + items.

2- Most of the time, your enemy would have a very high defence, which would mean that causeing 1000+ damage with only 1 attacck is very unlikly, even you were a sol blade in a slayer calss with 999 attack. The damage should be around 800. You would have to concentrate your power on one guy to just kill him, because the avarage HP on lv 99 ranges from 1400-1900. And to kill one guy, you would need two people with max attack power to knock one guy out if their stats should be where they are at.

Of course, the outcome would all depend on the opponents stats and class.

[Dullahan]

nick1presta, on Jul 31 2004, 01:05 PM, said:

I would be attacking you every damn turn focusing on your reviver and make sure she/he were dead in one turn. Then to kill your other two in 1 turn. Two turns and I could take out your whole front line up.

You keep thinking that. If you haven't noticed everyone in my fronty party is a reviver and while you're killing my "lone reviver" i'll kick the sh!t of you rparty with my other two characters.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

And you do realize how limited both your items, and your reviving are. Were comparing Class and Equip, not Items if you havent noticed. He could have simply had the same items as you had. Those extra items don't really matter right now, scince anybody and every body can equip it. A simple stratage would be to make you run out by simple killing the same person over and over. My team conists of 25 Water of lives each, excluding sheba and isaac who have 29 and 26. So you wouldn't have mucch liuck fighting me eather. Once you run out, thats it. You'll ahve to rely of the only two revivers you have. But by the way it looks, you'll only be doing around 200-500 damage on avarage because of your lack of critical plus items, while nick and I can do damage ranging from 700-800, or even more each person avarage.

Weather you go first or not, you'll lose. You'll have to rely on your summons then. Though when doing that, nick will ahve to ability to knock your guys out in one turn scicne they get weakend without dijinni.

I doubt you can kick any **** out of anything, seeing that you can only do 200-500 avarage damage, while he can do 700-800+ whenever he wants. And prorobly kill 2 of your guys in one turn, if he times it right.


BTW, did you notice he can heal 800+ each character? His Pure Wish dose the trick. Your out of luck realy, because your attacks will be over-canceled out. Your only hope would be the proper use off dijinins and isntant kill attacks for all I know.


Now, if you fought my 1rst party, I have like 6 revivers and like 3 of them can revive infinnately, not to mention a constant 700-800+. So you'll have a hard time on that. And for my second party, its very similar to nicks. You get the point.

This is taken from the point of veiw when both teams are lv 99.

[Dullahan]

Don't you just use 3 characters int eh battle like you do on number 1?

And my so called lack of criticals can be disproved by Felix constantly using Meggido with almost 100% unleash rate, i did 80 battles in the arena and not once did Felix not use Meggido. I'll probably alter this party anyway, well atleast use mythril clothes with Isaac and Garet and some more Dragon Boots.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Dullahan, on Aug 2 2004, 11:13 AM, said:

Don't you just use 3 characters int eh battle like you do on number 1?

And my so called lack of criticals can be disproved by Felix constantly using Meggido with almost 100% unleash rate, i did 80 battles in the arena and not once did Felix not use Meggido.  I'll probably alter this party anyway, well atleast use mythril clothes with Isaac and Garet and some more Dragon Boots.

Well, if what you say is true, then somethings wrong with your game. Out of 80 battles, 99% persont of the time a person with citical plus items would at leasst mess up once or twice getting a critical with critical plus equip. But you, someone who dosent have all but one critical plus item, get none? What are the chanses of happening again another time?

Dragon Boots isn't going to help much against us, for we wont be using Psyenergy.

[Dullahan]

And now for a reply to
"Don't you just use 3 characters int eh battle like you do on number 1?"
Dragon Boots are for none attackers btw.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Yes, you do fight with 3 people only.

Well, if its for them ,thats alright I guess. But i perfer quick boots isntead if you need them to heal as quickly as possible.

[Dullahan]

Thank you.

Now you can't fight other people's full party and it's not needed on the in game enemies then there's little point for this RNG is there?

Charon's probably most effective in a real link battle.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Dullahan, on Aug 2 2004, 11:32 AM, said:

Thank you. 

Now you can't fight other people's full party and it's not needed on the in game enemies then there's little point for this RNG is there?

Charon's probably most effective in a real link battle.

Huh? RNG?

Charon might not work also, for the avarage luck is around 15. The only reason dullahan can kill easily is because he has 55 luck!

[Nick Presta]

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And my so called lack of criticals can be disproved by Felix constantly using Meggido with almost 100% unleash rate, i did 80 battles in the arena and not once did Felix not use Meggido.

For each battle your unleash RNG restarts. Thus, doing 80 different battles would give you the same unleash percentage each time.

In one battle, if I had a 99% unleash rate, I would mess up at least once.

And

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Felix Current Level=63
Class= Master. HP=1340
Weapon=Sol Blade. PP=342
Helm=Gloria Helm. Attack=816
Gloves=Riot Gloves. Defence=415
Armor=Valkyrie Mail. Agility=535
Boots=Hyper Boots. Luck=12
Ring=Guardian Ring.
Shirt=Golden Shirt.
Additional Items=Mist Potion x30, Water of Life x8.

How the hell do you have an almost 100% unleash rate? You have a 87% unleash rate while I have a 99% unleash rate. Who do you think has better chances?

Anyways, I'm not here to argue with you. I'm just here to offer suggestions and offer some help from a guy who's played probably a lot longer than you and who has tempered with setups and whatnot probably a lot long than you.

[Dullahan]

Dowan't the Sol Blade boosts criticals aswell? It unleashes alot more than Excalibur without any critical boosting equipment.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Dullahan, on Aug 5 2004, 09:25 AM, said:

Dowan't the Sol Blade boosts criticals aswell? It unleashes alot more than Excalibur without any critical boosting equipment.

Yes, it's neccasary. A slight mess up in unleashing can cost a battle, Seen it happen.

[Nick Presta]

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Dowan't the Sol Blade boosts criticals aswell? It unleashes alot more than Excalibur without any critical boosting equipment.

No. By default, the Sol Blade and Excalibur have the same unleash percentage (35%).

[Teblor Tribe]

Ya but the Sol Blade is more consistent then Excalebur.
Excalibur has two unleashes. and one is just like a normal attack

[Nick Presta]

That is true. That is why any PURE attacker should have the Sol Blade, meaning that either Isaac or Felix should be a Master or Chaos Lord.

Here is the percentage of the Excalibur and Tisiphone Edge unleash:

For Vengeance, it will do:

1 Hit : 179 - 255 (30%)
2 Hits : 128 - 178 (20%)
3 Hits : 0 - 127 (50%)

For Legend, it will do:

1 Hit: 153 - 255 (40%)
3 Hits: 0 - 152 (60%)

[Dullahan]

If you import a party on to easy mode and that party had the Sol Blade is it possible to get 2 Sol Blade?

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Dullahan, on Aug 7 2004, 08:12 AM, said:

If you import a party on to easy mode and that party had the Sol Blade is it possible to get 2 Sol Blade?

lol, I wish. Too bad your equipment get's erased.

Then again, I've never tried it. Dose isaac lose his equip from the last game, or starts wit hthe default items?

[Teblor Tribe]

never tried it.

[Dullahan]

The spam king strikes again!

Collecting mythril stuff to improve critical rates.

[Lord Master Ivan]

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If you import a party on to easy mode and that party had the Sol Blade is it possible to get 2 Sol Blade?

Actully, you can get two Sol Blades in one game...

All you have to do is get the Password generator and for your items, makes as many Sol Blades as you want... (Only two is good, because you can't equip it to anybody else but if you want to sell and make money, that's ok)...

[Valistrix]

Would you mind telling me what you mean by password generator

[Nick Presta]

View the pinned topic "Password Generator".

Download it. Set the items so you transfer over a Sol Blade. Get the Sol Blade in Mars Lighthouse. You now have two.

Please read other topics on the forum before asking such a question.

[MysticWarrior]

Nick, I have a question. On your ultimate setup, what combination of Djinn is needed to obtain those classes?

[ForteGX]

Master: 5 jupiter djinn, 4 mars djinn

Ronin: 5 mars djinn, 4 jupiter djinn

Ninja: 4 jupiter djinn, 3 mars djinn

Necromage: Equip Tomagetheron (sp?): 3 of each other type of djinn (ex: for Isaac: 3 mars, 3 jupiter, 3 mercury)

Angel: 8 mercury djinn (Mia only)

Those are the ones I know from memory.

[Nick Presta]

Isaac
Class: Master
Jupiter x 5, Mars x 4

Jenna
Class: Paladin
Mercury x 5, Venus x 4

Mia
Class: Angel
Mercury x 9

Piers
Class: Necromage
Venus x 3, Jupiter x 3, Mars x 3

Garet
Class: Ronin
Jupiter x 4, Venus x 5

Felix
Class: Master
Jupiter x 5, Mars x 4

Ivan
Class: Ninja
Venus x 6, Mars x 3 OR Mars x 6, Venus x 3

Sheba
Class: White Mage
Mercury x 4, Venus x3



There you go MW.

[MysticWarrior]

=D Thanks. I'm starting a new file and i wanted to try your setup.

[Amon]

I think they both rock.

[MysticWarrior]

I was waiting for someone to reply...

I have another question. Your setup demands that many djinn, right? Well, if you put it that way, there's 2 extra djinn. Do I just attach them to the White Mage?

[Nick Presta]

White Mage/Ninja.

What ever floats your boat.

[Teblor Tribe]

Ninga is great. But if you need another healer Wight mage is better

This has nothing to do with the above posts. MW asked who to add/take the extra djinn from, not which class is better. "White". -Nick

[Dullahan]

i got bored getting to level 99 so my party isn't all that ultimate, it's about 75

[DarkSquall]

how long do you people play this bloody game, i mean, do u like run around in SoT islet for hours fighting Wonderbirds or what?? im only like 45, but i havent beaten the game yet (tho i cud at this lvl easy) but.....wow, how many hours are your files at? (by bloody game i meant nothing offensive, i love GS)

[Nick Presta]

I have logged well over 800 hours.

You can get to level 99 in less than 11 hours.

[DarkSquall]

nick1presta, on Oct 20 2004, 03:47 PM, said:

I have logged well over 800 hours.

You can get to level 99 in less than 11 hours.

holy crazy, it took me like 48 hours to beat the game at level 52.....but i saved the clear data and cant play any more so im mad >.< But 800 hours.....wow, thats alot of time. Im guessing you where killing for dark matter and orichalon drops for a long time there?

[Matthias]

Wow... tough debate... hmmm... both of your ways seem to both have the upsides and downsides. I'd say you both are pretty much equal...

[Nick Presta]

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Im guessing you where killing for dark matter and orichalon drops for a long time there?

Not really. Most of my time includes special modes (LLGs, etc) plus playing through with MANY different setups and routes.

And getting all my equipment too.

[DarkSquall]

ahhh, ic , fair nough...I started again in easy mode cuz i wanna level high, but itl take me a while to get back where i was...so ill have to wait for leveling at wonder birds for a while >.<

[I'm Always BROKE]

Can Ivan be a ninja? HOW!!?? TELL MEEE! :ph34r:

[DarkSquall]

6 earth 3 fire djinn on him n hell be a ninja. I think in my second time round ioma experiment with classes. Have some really kool 1's like Ninjas, fire monks...etc....Maybe chaos lord

[Valistrix]

All together my save file is 913 hours, I have everything.

Link, this is off-topic. This is about your Ultimate Setup. Not about time spent. If your saved time relates to the ultimate setup in any way, please make it constructive. -Nick

[Sea of Time]

I have a great class setup, I haven't set up weaponry yet

Felix: Ronin
Isaac: Ronin
Garet: Ronin
Jenna: Samurai
Sheba: Warlock
Piers: Necromage
Mia: Angel
Ivan: Pure Mage

Is this good, it generates a lot of power, I have killed Doom Dragon in eight turns. It was awesome.

[Nick Presta]

At what level?

Warlock is better at lower levels...

[Sea of Time]

nick1presta, on Nov 17 2004, 07:38 PM, said:

At what level?

Warlock is better at lower levels...

All characters are lv.99.

[kandy man]

I think nicks setup is better :angry: .

[Gardna]

Nick's setup is much better.

[Sea of Time]

I like my setup, it's da bomb.

[MercuryStar88]

Why not just use all 18 djinn for each of their respective adepts..Like Venus for Isaac+Felix Mars for Jenna+Garet ect.. :wacko:

[Nick Presta]

For in-game story mode, this isn't a half bad idea. You get decent all around classes for all characters.

However, against a human opponent, you need to have specialized groups that are great at doing one thing to ensure victory.

If you have 8 people working at 50%, sure things would get buy, but if you had 4 people working at 100%, things get done faster and more effectively.

[Z_E_R_O]

Hey guys, I'm new at this forum. I read Nick's setup and I think it's quite well. My setup at this moment is (not enough time to add all the items).

Isaac - Master
Felix - Master
Mia - Angel (clear bracelet, pure circlet and triton's)
Piers - Necromage
Garet - Master
Jenna - Chaos Lord
Sheba - Pure mage
Ivan - War Lock

I only reached lv 99 with my Isaac now, but i'm training the others currently. Felix, garet and Jenna are about lv 85 now, they all have 920+ attack. I think they will reach 999 att all. -_-

[Enoch]

That's kinda good! I enjoy putting masters in the mix. Their psynergy is the most interesting. I also like the Ronins. I could care less for Pure mages.

[Z_E_R_O]

Thnx enoch, they really are great. I should say: try it :!:

[Nick Presta]

You shouldn't have all three water boosting equipment on Mia (as her water power as an angel is high enough). The tritons ward doesnt have good defense. Trade it for a nice PP restoring robe which will come in handy.

[Z_E_R_O]

Yea, I think you're right, at this moment she only has clear bracelet and pure circlet. She heals about 800HP and she restores all the PP she used during one turn. By the way, in my setup are no weaker classes.
I'm training my people at this moment and they are about 93 now, so maybe tomorrow... 99 :P

[Sea of Time]

Mine doesn't have any weak classes either. Unless, you see Warlock as a weak class, which it isn't.

[Z_E_R_O]

You're right, warlocks are good, and always stronger as a weaker class. All chars in 95 now!!!

[TobiasMar]

Sorry for the revive, but here is MY ultimate setup:

Felix
Class: Slayer
Weapon: Sol Blade
Head: Mythril Helm
Shield: Cosmos Shield
Chest: Chronos Mail
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Leather Boots
Ring: Any

Jenna
Class: Justice
Weapon: Lachesis Rule
Head: Crown of Glory
Shield: Big Bang Gloves
Chest: Iris Robe
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Sheba
Class: Sorcerer
Weapon: Atropos Rod
Head: Berserker Band
Shield: Titan Gloves
Chest: Mythril Clothes
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Piers
Class: Admiral
Weapon: Excalibur
Head: Gloria Helm
Shield: Aegis Shield
Chest: Tritons Ward
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Isaac
Class: Slayer
Weapon: Darksword
Head: Millenion Helm
Shield: Terra Shield
Chest: Valkyrie Mail
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Clerics Ring

Garet
Class: Hero
Weapon: Fire Brand
Head: Minerva Helm
Shield: Flame Shield
Chest: Xylion Armor
Undershirt: Running Shirt
Boots: Quick Boots
Ring: Any

Ivan
Class: Sorcerer
Weapon: Tisiphone Edge
Head: Alastors Hood
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Aeolian Cassock
Undershirt: Golden Shirt
Boots: Dragon Boots
Ring: Guardian Ring

Mia
Class: Angel
Weapon: Clothos Distaff
Head: Psychic Circlet
Shield: Mythril Armlet
Chest: Mysterious Robe
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Golden Boots
Ring: Any

(I submitted it to Max. Hopefully, he'll put it on GSS)

[Nick Presta]

I would give the Warrior's Helm to Felix for teh extra Earth Power but your setup works ok too.

And I doubt Max will get this or any seutp on the site, anytime soon.

Edit: I meant on the site, not received in his inbox

[TobiasMar]

Sorry for off topic, but he did recieve, he told me on MSN.

*ahem* But your Ultimate Setup is OK Nick.

[Nick Presta]

Aku, nice to see you again. And nice setup :angry:

Also, as usual, Aku Chi has used his 1337 skills to impress us with another setup again.

Thanks =)

[gsninja]

That setup is pretty good, Aku Chi. I always would put Isaac as a Master if he isn't a Slayer. I put the Sol Blade on Isaac when I got it, but Felix is good enough, since he's the only one other than Isaac to equip it.

[Nick Presta]

Nice Aku, you finally got your setup over on the TLA page too.

Thanks for the setups.

[Nobody]

I have not tried them, but Nick's definately sounds the best.

[Nick Presta]

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I have not tried them, but Nick's definately sounds the best.

I can assure you, if you think my setup is 'the best', try Aku's.
He > me, in terms of Class Setups and everything class related.

Anyways, go take a look, he has so many varieties of classes for everyone.

[Traviz]

Why can't i vote none of both? I have the Class and equip completely Different

My setup:

Isaac, War Adept, Weapon: Sol Blade, Head: Mythrill Helm, Hands: Riot Gloves, Suit: Valkyrie Mail, Boots: Hyper Boots, Ring: Guardian Ring, SHirt: Golden Shirt.

Sheba, Guru, Weapon: Lachesis' Rule, Head: Berserker Band, Hands: Riot Gloves, Suit: Mystery Robe, Boots: Hyper Boots, Ring: Spirit Ring, SHirt: Mythrill Shirt.

Mia, Oracle, Weapon: Lachesis' Rule, Head: Berserker Band, Hands: Riot Gloves, Suit: Iris Robe, Boots: Hyper Boots, Ring: Golden Ring, SHirt: Mythrill Shirt.

Garet, Radiant, Weapon: Darksword, Head: Fear Helmet, Hands: Terra Shield, Suit: Demon Mail, Boots: Hyper Boots, Ring: Cleric's Ring, SHirt: Mythrill Shirt.

Ivan, Wizard, Weapon: Tisiphone Edge, Head: Berserker Band, Hands: Riot Gloves, Suit: Mythrill Vest, Boots: Golden Boots, Ring: Stardust Ring, SHirt: Mythrill Shirt.

Piers, Oracle, Weapon: Excalibur, Head: GLoria Helm, Hands: Riot Gloves, Suit: Xylon Mail, Boots: Hyper Boots, Ring: Spirit Ring, SHirt: Mythrill Shirt.

Felix, Chaos Lord, Weapon: Excalibur, Head: GLoria Helm, Hands: Riot Gloves, Suit: Xylon Mail, Boots: Dragon Boots, Ring: Adept's Ring, SHirt: Mythrill Shirt.

Jenna, War Adept, Weapon: Tisiphone Edge, Head: Berserker Band (Or Lure Cap :(), Hands: Riot Gloves, Suit: Mythrill Vest, Boots: Dragon Boots, Ring: Faerie Ring, SHirt: Mythrill Shirt.

[Nick Presta]

Your setup isn't defined.

You have Sheba, Piers, Ivan and Mia in healer classes yet they are wearing critical hit % boosting equipment. That defeats the purpose of the healer class.

Also, there is no point to boost the CH% for the Lachesis' Rule (as the Unleash isn't worth the wasted defense).

[blade]

nick1presta, on Jun 20 2005, 03:11 PM, said:

Your setup isn't defined.

You have Sheba, Piers, Ivan and Mia in healer classes yet they are wearing critical hit % boosting equipment. That defeats the purpose of the healer class.

Also, there is no point to boost the CH% for the Lachesis' Rule (as the Unleash isn't worth the wasted defense).

sorry but WRONG ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if sheba piers ivan and mia are healers that means if one healer goes down,then 1 can revive while the others heal the party.and even though the Lachesis' Rule
is a defense watse it is NOT bad !!!!!!!!and the boosting ch% can be useful in attacking if psynergy is tapped by bind.so he is right!!!
:( :silence: :P :P :)

[Traviz]

blade, on Jun 21 2005, 02:56 AM, said:

sorry but WRONG ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if sheba piers ivan and mia are healers that means if one healer goes down,then 1 can revive while the others heal the party.and even though the Lachesis' Rule
is a defense watse it is NOT bad !!!!!!!!and the boosting ch% can be useful in attacking if psynergy is tapped by bind.so  he is right!!!
:(  :idea:  :P  :P  :silence:

Thanx for your help against him :) :silence: You may receive my first GS MP3

By the way, My characters are all around level 99 (Isaac + Mia are 99) So i hardly get hit. I mostly evade attacks and if i get hit i take 1 damage cause all my characters have 450+ defence!!! I also let my Healers attack, cause they hit a good 500 with Lachesis!!! And if i get wounded i use my Djinn Crystal, Spritz and Flower to heal me, Aroma, Ether, Ember to restore PP and Spring, Fizz & breath to restore HP single. I also have all 3 guard-aura djinn in my attacking party.

And if you give your party 2 healers, the Djinn would be out of balance. I wanted to keep this balance to summon Iris in emergency cases!


O Yah, And Sheba ISN'T IN A HEALING CLASS!!! GARET IS!!!!!

And now i've edited the post for the fourth time, just to tell you that if u get Unleashes all the time, ur immortal. I always keep doing 1200-500-500-670, so no one stands a chance!

[Nick Presta]

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sorry but WRONG ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if sheba piers ivan and mia are healers that means if one healer goes down,then 1 can revive while the others heal the party.and even though the Lachesis' Rule
is a defense watse it is NOT bad !!!!!!!!and the boosting ch% can be useful in attacking if psynergy is tapped by bind.so he is right!!!

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Thanx for your help against him  You may receive my first GS MP3

By the way, My characters are all around level 99 (Isaac + Mia are 99) So i hardly get hit. I mostly evade attacks and if i get hit i take 1 damage cause all my characters have 450+ defence!!! I also let my Healers attack, cause they hit a good 500 with Lachesis!!! And if i get wounded i use my Djinn Crystal, Spritz and Flower to heal me, Aroma, Ether, Ember to restore PP and Spring, Fizz & breath to restore HP single. I also have all 3 guard-aura djinn in my attacking party.

And if you give your party 2 healers, the Djinn would be out of balance. I wanted to keep this balance to summon Iris in emergency cases!


O Yah, And Sheba ISN'T IN A HEALING CLASS!!! GARET IS!!!!!

And now i've edited the post for the fourth time, just to tell you that if u get Unleashes all the time, ur immortal. I always keep doing 1200-500-500-670, so no one stands a chance!

Did either of you read the topic? This is for competitive battling. It's painfully easy to beat Dullahan/DoomDragon with Base Classes so comparing your class setup against in-game enemies is not worth anything.

You must not get the point of a "defined" class. If it's a healer, it only healers. If it's an attacker, it only attacks. The only exception is Chaos Lord with Revive and Paladin with Pure Wish/Ply.

If you have a party with two attackers and two healers and one healer and attacker goes down, you're going to use your healer to deal the makeup damage? Good luck.
The purpose of a healer is to heal. A healer should do such little damage that attacking with it over healing would be stupid.

Defense wasting is inexcusable on a healer. The healer has to stay alive to heal and revive. With the exception of Water Power, Defense is the most important stat.
And again, boosting critical hits on a healer is stupid since it should be attacking.

Let's look at Garet -vrs- Sheba for class comparison:

Radiant
HP 190%
PP 140%
Atk 150%
Def 150%
Agi 140%
Lck 120%

Guru
HP 170%
PP 170%
Atk 140%
Def 150%
Agi 170%
Lck 120%

A Guru has more PP and more Agi. That is so it can heal better and faster. Also, when you put a water class (Radiant) on Garet (Fire Adept) and attempt to utilize his water power, you aren't doing very good. Garet is naturally weak with water, Sheba isn't. Thus, Sheba is in the healer class, Garet is in a sub-par attacking class.

And in comparison, I do 1200 per attacker. I have three attackers with one healer. I do 3600 a round while you claim to only do 2870. I also fully heal my party every turn. Unless you can do over 1999 damage to one character at level 99, you're out of luck.

Think of what I said and don't overuse exclaimation marks or emoticons at me again.

[Traviz]

nick1presta, on Jun 22 2005, 03:07 AM, said:

Garet is naturally weak with water, Sheba isn't.

BUllshiz,

Garet Is weak to Earth (76 Resist/Power, while others have 78/79)
Sheba is weak to water (76 Resist/Power, while others have 78/79)
Isaac is weak to Fire (76 Resist/Power, while others have 78/79)
Mia is weak to Air (76 Resist/Power, while others have 78/79)

Also, It's Impossible to hit 1200 with EVERY character. You can only have 999 Attack Maximum, which means that even Mia With 999 Attack and Lachesis only hits a mere 750.

By the way, In a 2p Battle the element of surprise is essential. Thats why i made Garet a Healer,So i strike down their First Healer with Meggido, So they take down Sheba in the first turn, and next turn I meggido Their Second Healer.
They will have no healer nor Revival Options.

Note: Nick, I saw u looking at my post and u didn't react. Short on answer?

[Sea of Time]

This is really the first time I've taken a good look at nick's setup and the unleash percentage is incredible! And the best part is I can create that setup without needing my cleric's ring file. How sweet is that?

[Nick Presta]

Traviz, on Jun 26 2005, 01:44 PM, said:

BUllshiz,

Garet Is weak to Earth (76 Resist/Power, while others have 78/79)
Sheba is weak to water (76 Resist/Power, while others have 78/79)
Isaac is weak to Fire (76 Resist/Power, while others have 78/79)
Mia is weak to Air (76 Resist/Power, while others have 78/79)

Also, It's Impossible to hit 1200 with EVERY character. You can only have 999 Attack Maximum, which means that even Mia With 999 Attack and Lachesis only hits a mere 750.

By the way, In a 2p Battle the element of surprise is essential. Thats why i made Garet a Healer,So i strike down their First Healer with Meggido, So they take down Sheba in the first turn, and next turn I meggido Their Second Healer.
They will have no healer nor Revival Options.

Note: Nick, I saw u looking at my post and u didn't react. Short on answer?

No, I'm not short of answers but you clearly didn't understand what I said. I said Garet is weak WITH water, not against water.

Anyways, SoT, I'm glad you like my setup.

[Sea of Time]

Now it just seems like all that work on my second file to get the Cleric's Ring was a waste of time.

Oh well, to the GBA!

[Sea of Time]

Sorry for the double post. I just have a question.

Flipside says that his Isaac, Felix, and possibly Piers can do 1300+ damage. Nick, do you know how much yours can do? I know yours is more balanced, I'd just like to know the maximum attack power.

[Nick Presta]

What is he attacking against?

Check out Terence Ferguson's Battle Mechanics FAQ. There are the damage formulas (including the unleash modifiers) for everything.

I would image we can do the same. Attack is al 999, Elm. Power is pretty standard and if we're against the same enemy, we should do the same damage (similar +/- 3).

[Sea of Time]

If that's true, then I'm gonna have to vote for yours being better simply because the healers are stronger and you have more balance, and less polar opposite powers.

[Toasty]

I haven't messed with classes much, but I managed to get near 100% unleash rate with Isaac as a slayer and the Sol Blade. He's unleashed on every attack but one, and I've attacked with him about 70-80 times.

[Nick Presta]

Well, look at Terence Ferguson's Battle Mechanics FAQ. He explains the different unleash percentage items. It is very possible that you have a high 90%+ unleash with Isaac.


As for pure classes, they are fine for in game, but against human players, they are out performed.

[Hotshot101]

when i beat doom dragon the for the first time he seemed easy and i had most character close to lvl 43 and my starting partywas the original GS party. The results where i never had any downed, a few haunted but that is bound to happen, and only got like a djinn blast on mia but she still did not die.

The classes i used where

Isaac Garet Ivan Mia
Master Paladin warlock Pure mage

[Sea of Time]

Can you give any more details like equipment, Hotshot? I'm interested in seeing the exact details of your class/equipment.

By the way, Nick's setup is working great for me. The criticals are so high, it's not only scary for opponents but for me as well.

[Hotshot101]

Sea_of_Time, on Sep 27 2006, 11:37 AM, said:

Can you give any more details like equipment, Hotshot? I'm interested in seeing the exact details of your class/equipment.

By the way, Nick's setup is working great for me. The criticals are so high, it's not only scary for opponents but for me as well.

i can't remember most of the equipment in TLA but i do remember the weapons

Which i think Isaac had the sol blade also i think i kept the thunder crown on him and i had the valkerie mail also gave him the golden shirt i got.
Garet with exaclibur, can't remember most of his equipment except i think he had the warriors helm
Mia and Ivan had nebula wands (Ivan did not have tiphon edge because i did not know about it till a couple days ago). See of Time most of the ways I battle is not by equipment alone but strategy thats how i defeated the boss

Also i think nick had better classes while i will need to look at the equipment setups to see who was better

[Sea of Time]

Strategy is the basic of battle in GS, but if you have the right equipment on your characters as well as strategy, you can create quite a formidable combo.

[Hotshot101]

Yes i know that. I need to study on my equipment if i ever want to fight someone in a duel but i don't think about it because around here i can barely find anyone that even has the game. although with the equipment when i work with it i usually use the stuff with the best denfense i can get my hands on this is how i did it in GS but have not quite learned the equipment effects for TLA have to offer. Though if i think about really playing the game to where i get my Characters to lvl 99 i will try some of this out.

[Sea of Time]

I'll read it. And I may be intrigued. Post away.

[The Wind Seer]

I will read it.

[Sea of Time]

To take out the strongest person on the other team is critical, and you've covered that with your setup. But Jenna is definitely the weak point in your team, and could cause problems without more speed. Great overall, though.

[Toasty]

Mia seems a little weak defense wise, but I don't know how strong the tritons ward is. That's one of the biggest flaws in any setup. You have to have a powerful healer, but they still have to take a betaing. But at the same time, your offense can't take a cut in power just so your healer can stay alive. The longer a battle lasts, the more damage you take, and thus, the harder it is to stay alive.

[Hotshot101]

hmm you can equip a healer with the best equipment for that character in the game. Also its best to have like a back up. Paladins are good back up healers, but a class that can heal and revive would be a good back up.

[Toasty]

You can equip a healer with the best shiz, yes, but they'll still get moped all over the floor unless you can give them super stats or something. By that, I mean giving them some variety of djinni that magically makes a new class that has incredible healing capabilities, super defense, super resistance, and super agility. Unfortuantely, no such magic combinatioin has been found as of yet. So just stick with an Angel.

[golden tla owner]

nick1presta, on Jun 23 2004, 07:57 PM, said:

I will admit, having revive ALWAYS is good, but you wouldn't be able to seal my psynergy. Another advantage of classes. Everyone in my party has 10+ luck. My luck determines whether or not your status ailments will affect me. Most likely not. Your Dark Mage however has very low luck which I could use to my advantage.

Anyways, I think we've both presented our points. Good show.

mwahahahahahaha lol wow i thought i'd never see an arguement like
that on gss forums lol!.
but i like your classes nick ima vote for u :P

[golden tla owner]

Xxwho3zJohnQxX, on Dec 25 2006, 10:44 PM, said:

Hey, I decided to bring back something quite ancient but it may lite our Golden Sun tastes up a bit.

A while back I created a Golden Sun setup that was just incredible. its not the Chaos Lord setup. This one's a slayer setup.

it may seem awkward but trust me it's worth it. just replay Golden Sun ^^

NOTE: Felix and Issac are interchangeable in terms of classes and equipment. I just prefer Issac to be the guy with the Slayer setup.

Isaac
Slayer

Items:
Sol Blade
Warrior's Helm
Riot Gloves
Elven Shirt
Hyper Boots
Golden Ring
Running Shirt

Comments: If you give all your apples to Issac, you will find this to be a very powerful setup. With this setup, your attack should be 999... and your Agility should also be 999!! What's so frightening about this setup? The Sol Blade not only get an attack boost from the massive profit of having all Earth Dijinns in addition to a constant 90% chance of Unleashing, but also you will ALWAYS go first, unless rivaled by antoher person with the Elven Shirt. Seriously, the speed is UNMATCHED, not even a Master Class can come CLOSE to matching the speed. Use it to your advantage and go for an ALL OUT OFFENSIVE!! In a vs match, you should be able to knock out your enemy in a snap. Aim for the healers, as they would not have a chance to heal. You sacrifice a small amount of defense for such an incredible offense. In addition to the already unstoppable offense, be reminded that this class offers you the ability to not only be the first to make the move but also make last minute revives that will certainly save you.

Felix
Master

Items:
Excalibur
Mythril Helm
Riot Gloves
Valkyrie Mail
Hyper Boots
Mythril Shirt

Comments: Felix here is your secondary offensive. Attack should also be 999, but the speed is somewhat frightening. Team up with Issac against one person to do an amazing amount of damage. And because Isaac is so fast, you should be able to keep your enemy in check, allowing you to be one step ahead of him all the time. Use the criticals as an advantage and blast through your enemy!! And it would help to cut off your enemy from healing. But with Issac and Felix in this setup, you can reduce the number of hits you receive by double teaming on an offensive player. First move, first kill. The goal is to cut off your oppenent from making any profitable moves, so be the first to make the kill ^.^

Jenna
Paladin

Items:
Tisiphone Edge
Demon Circlet
Riot Gloves
Erinyes Tunic
Hyper Boots
Cleric's Ring
Golden Shirt

Comments: Back up defensive and cross offensive. if you so happen to need to make a third attack, you can count on Jenna to do it. here attack power should be well over 900, and you have healing support just encase. Use the 90% criticals to your advantage. This should provide you with the chance to do sufficient damage to your enemies before a turn ends.

Mia
Angel

Items:
Lachesis' Rule
Psychic Circlet
Clear Bracelet
Triton's Ward
Golden Boots
Guardian Ring
Running Shirt

Comments: Mia has some GODLY capablities. She will HEAL LIKE MAD!! With all the water boosting, in addition to having all water dijinns, your ply powers should be OF THE CHARTS!! Her Pure Ply which normally heals 400 should now heal WELL OVER 700-800!! And if you want to ask about Pure wish, just note that your HP should be fully recovered with such a thing. In addition, you should be recovering 12 PP, so you should be able to have INFINITE PP, and with proper management, she would be able to heal 999999 times or more without ever having to reaching zero. Awesome.

Well, g2g. But rate what you see so far. I think it works like a charm. reviver's and status boosts are the other half but i'll cover that later once time permits. If managed properly, even the seemingly weak second half will allow you to do awesome things.

wow love it! it worked for me. my style is to lvl to 99 and put on my best stats poss
then beat alll bosses sept for doom dragon and just enjoy myself

[golden tla owner]

nick1presta, on Jun 14 2004, 06:35 PM, said:

Here is a nice Level 99 Setup you might consider:

Ultimate Equipment

NOTE: WORKS BEST FOR LEVEL 99 Setups.

Isaac
Class: Master
Weapon: Sol Blade
Head: Mythril Helm
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Valkyrie mail
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

This will give Isaac a 97% unleash rate with the Sol Blade. You agility wil be off the scale and you will be almost unstoppable with a nice healer in the mix.

Jenna
Class: Paladin
Weapon: Tisiphone Edge
Head: Psychic Circlet
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Mythril Clothes
Undershirt: Running Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Jenna will be able to deal damage as well as heal. Her unleash percentage (84%) isn't as high as Isaac or Felix but she will still be able to unleash enough to make a difference.

Mia
Class: Angel
Weapon: Lachesis' Rule
Head: Pure Circlet
Shield: Clear Bracelet
Chest: Iris Robe/Triton's Ward
Undershirt: Golden Shirt/Running Shirt
Boots: Golden Boots/Quick Boots
Ring: Any

Mia's class is different than what most people would choose. I chose Angel since that is the class with the highest water power. With the addition of the CB and PC, Mia's water power should be 150+. This will let Mia heal about 750+ with one Pure Wish. Add in the PP recovery of the Iris Robe and you have one super healer. She lacks the ability to revive, but Piers can do that.
Piers
Class: Necromage
Weapon: Dark Sword/Excalibur
Head: Fear Helm
Shield: Cosmos Shield
Chest: Xylion Armor
Undershirt: Running Shirt
Boots: Quick Boots
Ring: Cleric's Ring

If Piers attack isn't at 999, it will be with this setup. I chose the Cosmos Shield to resist the elements as well as super defense. Attack with Call Dullahan or your Excalibur (If you chose it) to deal damage.
Garet
Class: Ronin
Weapon: Excalibur
Head: Mythril Helm
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Mythril Clothes
Undershirt: Running Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Garet as a Ronin is very nice. Great defense, but the speed is an issue. I compensated by adding in the Running Shirt. An 84% unleash isn't too bad since he has nice psynergy that can be delt out to increase stats, or nice EPAs.

Felix
Class: Master
Weapon: Excalibur
Head: Mythril Helm
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Mythril Clothes
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Comment: This will give Felix a 94% unleash rate. He gets a Jupiter Boost for being a Master and is quick to deal that damage before your enemy can recover.

Ivan
Class: Ninja
Weapon: Tisiphone Edge
Head: Berserker Band
Shield: Riot Gloves
Chest: Aeolian Cassock
Undershirt: Mythril Shirt
Boots: Hyper Boots
Ring: Any

Ivan isn't an ultimate fighter, but he can do the job with his nice speed and max attack (999). He won't be your first choice but you'll be glad to have him dishing out damage while you recover.

Sheba
Class: White Mage
Weapon: Lachesis' Rule
Head: Psychic Circlet
Shield: Jester Armlet
Chest: Mysterious Robe
Undershirt: Mythril/Silk Shirt
Boots: Fur Boots
Ring: Any

The PP+ 30 and the PP regen +12 will be great for this White Mage. Has the ability to heal and revive whenever needed and is quick enough to do it.
*The above setup was created by me.
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I'm going to post many class setups that you can use:

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3 item class

Isaac - Protector (7 Mercury, 2 Venus)
Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Trainer’s Whip)
Mia - Warlock (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Piers - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)
Sheba - Acrobat (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Mysterious Card)

Isaac - Necromage (3 Mars, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Trainer’s Whip)
Mia - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Piers - Acrobat (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Mysterious Card)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)

Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Piers - Acrobat (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Mysterious Card)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Trainer’s Whip)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

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Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Luminer (6 Mercury set, 1 Mars set; 1 Mercury unset, 1 Jupiter
unset)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Sheba - Acrobat (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Mysterious Card)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Trainer's Whip)

Isaac - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Felix - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Trainer’s Whip)
Mia - White Mage (5 Jupiter, 3 Venus, 1 Mars)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)
Sheba - Acrobat (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Mysterious Card)

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2 item class

Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Necromage (3, Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Jenna - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Mia - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Piers - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Trainer's Whip)
Sheba - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)

Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Mars)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Trainer’s Whip)
Sheba - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)

Isaac - Necromage (3 Mars, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Jupiter)
Piers - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Trainer's Whip)
Sheba - Warlock (5 Mars, 4 Mercury)

Isaac - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Felix -Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Radiant (7 Mercury, 2 Mars)
Piers - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Trainer's Whip)
Mia - Guardian (8 Venus, 1 Mercury)
Ivan - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)
Sheba - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)

Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
*Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Trainer's Whip)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
*Piers - Water Monk (6 Mars, 2 Mercury, 1 Jupiter)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

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1 item class

Isaac - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Felix - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)
Garet - War Adept (7 Jupiter, 2 Mars)
Jenna - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Mia - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Piers - Guardian (8 Venus, 1 Mercury)
Ivan - Beast Lord (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury)
Sheba - Warlock (5 Mars, 4 Mercury)

Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Jupiter)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Ninja (6 Mars, 3 Venus)
Sheba - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)

Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury)
Piers - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

Isaac - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Felix - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Garet - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Jupiter)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Oracle (7 Venus, 2 Jupiter)
Sheba - Fire Monk (6 Mars, 3 Jupiter)

Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Mia - Angel (9 Mercury)
Piers - Guardian (7 Venus, 1 Mercury, 1 Mars)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Conjurer (8 Mars, 1 Jupiter)
Isaac - Slayer (8 Venus, 1 unset Mars)
Felix - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - War Adept (7 Jupiter, 2 Mars)
Jenna - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Mars)
Piers - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Ninja (6 Mars, 3 Venus)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

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Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Garet - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mercury, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Piers - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Sage (8 Mercury, 1 Jupiter)

Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Bard (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter, 1 Mercury)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)

Isaac - Protector (7 Mercury, 2 Venus)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Piers - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Bard (4 Mercury, 4 Mars, 1 Jupiter)

Isaac - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Mars)
Jenna - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury, 1 unset Jupiter)
Piers - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter, Tomegathericon)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Sorcerer (9 Jupiter)

Isaac - Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Disciple (4 Venus, 4 Jupiter, 1 Mercury)
Mia - Angel (9 Mercury)
Piers - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Ivan - Ninja (6 Mars, 3 Venus)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

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Isaac - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Felix - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - War Adept (7 Jupiter, 2 Mars)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Piers - Oracle (7 Venus, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Warlock (5 Mars, 4 Mercury)
Sheba - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)

For under level 50
Isaac - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Piers - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Sheba - Sage (6 Mercury, 3 Jupiter)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Jenna - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)

Healer-intensive
Isaac - Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Mars)
Felix - Protector (7 Mercury, 2 Venus)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Justice (9 Mars)
Mia - Pure Mage (5 Jupiter, 4 Venus)
Piers - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Warlock (5 Mars, 4 Mercury)
Sheba - Oracle (7 Venus, 2 Jupiter)

Isaac - Protector
Garet - War Adept
Piers - Oracle
Mia - Angel
Garet - War Adept
Jenna - Justice
Ivan - Oracle
Sheba - Guru

Isaac - Protector
Felix - Chaos Lord
Garet - Necromage
Mia - Wizard
Piers - Warlock
Ivan - Oracle
Jenna - Paladin
Sheba - Fire Monk (one extra Jupiter, one extra Mercury)

Felix - Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Isaac - Protector (7 Mercury, 2 Venus)
Jenna - War Adept (7 Jupiter, 2 Mars)
Garet - Chaos Lord (7 Venus, 2 Mars)
Piers - Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Mia - Oracle (7 Venus, 2 Mercury)
Sheba - Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)
Ivan - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Jupiter)

***From TheLordOf0rz***
Isaac: Ronin (4 Jupiter, 5 Mars)
Garet: Necromage (3 Mercury, Jupiter, and Venus)
Ivan: Beast Lord (3 Venus, Mercury, and Mars)
Mia: Water Monk (6 Mars, 3 Mercury)
Felix: Master (4 Mars, 5 Jupiter)
Jenna: Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Mercury)
Sheba: Wizard (7 Mercury, 2 Jupiter)
Piers: Oracle (7 Venus, 2 Mercury)

Isaac: Ronin (5 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet: Necromage (3 Venus, Mercury, and Jupiter)
Ivan: Beast Lord (3 Venus, Mercury, and Mars)
Mia: Wizard (7 Jupiter, 2 Mercury)
Felix: Chaos Lord (7 Mars, 2 Venus)
Jenna: Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba: Acrobat (3 Venus, Mercury, and Mars, one of which is Flash)
Piers: White Mage (3 Venus, Balm, Shade and 5 Jupiter)

***********************

From X Ven0m X
Isaac - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Felix - Master (5 Jupiter, 4 Mars)
Garet - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Mia - Angel (8 Mercury)
Piers - Guru (7 Mars, 2 Mercury)
Ivan - Pure Mage (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Sheba - Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Mercury, Tomegathericon)

From HWC 101 - “Quick and Painless"
Isaac: Master (4 Mars, 5 Jupiter)
Garet: Ronin (5 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna: Paladin (5 Mercury, 4 Venus)
Felix: Master (4 Mars, 5 Juptier)
Mia: Angel (9 Mercury)
Piers: Necromage (3 Venus, 3 Mars, 3 Jupiter)
Sheba: White Mage (3 Venus, 4 Mercury, 1 Mars, 1 Jupiter)
Ivan: Ninja (6 Mars, 3 Venus)
***By time in game (unset/useless djinn not included)***

Early game

Felix - Knight (2 Venus)
Jenna - Defender (2 Mercury)
Sheba - Magician (2 Jupiter)

Piers Joins

Felix - Ruffian (2 Mars)
Jenna - Illusionist (2 Jupiter)
Piers - Trainer (1 Venus, 1 Mars, 1 Jupiter, Trainer's Whip)
Sheba - Scholar (4 Mercury)

Sailing

Felix - Savage (4 Mars)
Jenna - Enchanter (4 Jupiter)
Piers - Shaman (4 Venus)
Sheba - Savant (5 Mercury)

Lemuria

Felix - Ninja (3 Mars, 3 Jupiter)
Jenna - Dragoon (3 Venus, 3 Mercury)
Piers - Medium (3 Venus, 3 Jupiter)
Sheba - Ranger (3 Mars, 3 Mercury)

or

Felix - Dragoon (3 Mars, 3 Mercury)
Jenna - Dragoon (3 Venus, 3 Mercury)
Piers - Beastkeeper (2 Venus, 2 Mars, 2 Jupiter, Trainer's Whip)
Sheba - Mage (4 Jupiter)

(or see "Sailing" for third option)

Jupiter Lighthouse

Felix - Disciple (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Templar (4 Venus, 4 Mercury)
Piers - Bard (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Sheba - White Mage (4 Mercury, 3 Venus)

Return of Isaac

Isaac - Berserker (6 Mars, 1 Venus)
Felix - Disciple (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Samurai (4 Venus, 3 Jupiter)
Jenna - Radiant (6 Mercury, 1 Mars)
Mia - White Mage (4 Jupiter, 3 Venus)
Piers - Bard (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Ivan - White Mage (4 Mercury, 3 Venus)
Sheba - White Mage (4 Mercury, 3 Venus)

or

Isaac - Disciple (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Felix - Guardian (6 Mercury, 1 Venus)
Garet - Disciple (4 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Samurai (4 Venus, 3 Jupiter)
Mia - Water Monk (6 Mars, 1 Mercury)
Piers - Bard (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Ivan - White Mage (4 Mercury, 3 Venus)
Sheba - White Mage (4 Mercury, 3 Venus)

or

Isaac - Berserker (6 Mars, 1 Venus)
Felix - Disciple (4 Mars, 4 Jupiter)
Garet - Disciple (4 Venus, 4 Jupiter)
Jenna - Templar (4 Venus, 4 Mercury)
Mia - Sage (6 Jupiter, 1 Mercury)
Piers - Druid (6 Venus, 1 Mercury)
Ivan - Ranger (5 Mars, 3 Mercury)
Sheba - Sage (6 Mercury, 1 Jupiter)

*All credit to CelestialWrath or otherwise noted.

wow! i just tried it and it works amazingly , and i won my bet with joey , to take dullahan down with only attacks
thx nick u have incredible ideas on classes ^.^

[golden tla owner]

Xxwho3zJohnQxX, on Dec 25 2006, 10:44 PM, said:

Hey, I decided to bring back something quite ancient but it may lite our Golden Sun tastes up a bit.

A while back I created a Golden Sun setup that was just incredible. its not the Chaos Lord setup. This one's a slayer setup.

it may seem awkward but trust me it's worth it. just replay Golden Sun ^^

NOTE: Felix and Issac are interchangeable in terms of classes and equipment. I just prefer Issac to be the guy with the Slayer setup.

Isaac
Slayer

Items:
Sol Blade
Warrior's Helm
Riot Gloves
Elven Shirt
Hyper Boots
Golden Ring
Running Shirt

Comments: If you give all your apples to Issac, you will find this to be a very powerful setup. With this setup, your attack should be 999... and your Agility should also be 999!! What's so frightening about this setup? The Sol Blade not only get an attack boost from the massive profit of having all Earth Dijinns in addition to a constant 90% chance of Unleashing, but also you will ALWAYS go first, unless rivaled by antoher person with the Elven Shirt. Seriously, the speed is UNMATCHED, not even a Master Class can come CLOSE to matching the speed. Use it to your advantage and go for an ALL OUT OFFENSIVE!! In a vs match, you should be able to knock out your enemy in a snap. Aim for the healers, as they would not have a chance to heal. You sacrifice a small amount of defense for such an incredible offense. In addition to the already unstoppable offense, be reminded that this class offers you the ability to not only be the first to make the move but also make last minute revives that will certainly save you.

Felix
Master

Items:
Excalibur
Mythril Helm
Riot Gloves
Valkyrie Mail
Hyper Boots
Mythril Shirt

Comments: Felix here is your secondary offensive. Attack should also be 999, but the speed is somewhat frightening. Team up with Issac against one person to do an amazing amount of damage. And because Isaac is so fast, you should be able to keep your enemy in check, allowing you to be one step ahead of him all the time. Use the criticals as an advantage and blast through your enemy!! And it would help to cut off your enemy from healing. But with Issac and Felix in this setup, you can reduce the number of hits you receive by double teaming on an offensive player. First move, first kill. The goal is to cut off your oppenent from making any profitable moves, so be the first to make the kill ^.^

Jenna
Paladin

Items:
Tisiphone Edge
Demon Circlet
Riot Gloves
Erinyes Tunic
Hyper Boots
Cleric's Ring
Golden Shirt

Comments: Back up defensive and cross offensive. if you so happen to need to make a third attack, you can count on Jenna to do it. here attack power should be well over 900, and you have healing support just encase. Use the 90% criticals to your advantage. This should provide you with the chance to do sufficient damage to your enemies before a turn ends.

Mia
Angel

Items:
Lachesis' Rule
Psychic Circlet
Clear Bracelet
Triton's Ward
Golden Boots
Guardian Ring
Running Shirt

Comments: Mia has some GODLY capablities. She will HEAL LIKE MAD!! With all the water boosting, in addition to having all water dijinns, your ply powers should be OF THE CHARTS!! Her Pure Ply which normally heals 400 should now heal WELL OVER 700-800!! And if you want to ask about Pure wish, just note that your HP should be fully recovered with such a thing. In addition, you should be recovering 12 PP, so you should be able to have INFINITE PP, and with proper management, she would be able to heal 999999 times or more without ever having to reaching zero. Awesome.

Well, g2g. But rate what you see so far. I think it works like a charm. reviver's and status boosts are the other half but i'll cover that later once time permits. If managed properly, even the seemingly weak second half will allow you to do awesome things.

pretty darn good lol it's amazing , how did you come up with it? or did you? (not to sound
suspicious)

[Toasty]

WOW. That is an OLD revive. And I can't remember the last time someone made a quadruple post.

Please, read the rules before posting. But don't worry, you're new so I doubt you'll get warned or anything.

[Ironsight]

OH SHI-
Like Toasty said, you gotta read the rules. You might not get warned this time, but if you keep doing that then a Mod will find you in a dark alley soon.

[eric]

ya...here's my team...


Felix

Ronin

Sol Blade
Crown of Glory
Big Bang Gloves
Xylion Armor
Hyper Boots
Sleep Ring

Basically with Felix, I use the Sol Blade's Megiddo and Quick Slash. At times, I can use Epicenter because I have 141 Fire power(with help of Big Bang Gloves). Crown of Glory for PP restoration. Xylion Armor for attack boost. Hyper Boots for evade increase. Sleep Ring for just somethin'...


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Isaac

Beast Lord

Gaia Blade
Crown of Glory
Riot Gloves
Valkryie Mail
Hyper Boots
Running Shirt
War Ring

Again, unleashes with Titan Blade almost every turn. I equipped him with the Gaia Blade because of the earth power/resist boost, so I could use Minotaur effectively, trust me, i had four extra tisiphone edges and an extra excalibur, so i ain't lackin'...C.O.G. for PP restoration, of course. War Ring, for an extra Impact without PP use. Running Shirt for somethin' extra.

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Piers

Warlock

Excalibur
Crown of Glory
Aerial Gloves
Planet Armor
Hyper Boots
Guardian Ring
Trident

I use this guy to attack with Legend and use amazing psynergy. C.O.G. for PP restoration and A.G. + P.A. for an extra little boost in wind power. The trident because, well...just because

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Ivan

Pure Mage

Lachesis' Rule
Psychic Circlet
Clear Bracelet
Mysterious Robe
Hyper Boots
Spirit Ring

The party healer. Amazing psynergy points and equipment to match. PP recovery +22 each turn!!! I can effectively attack with him each turn with Apocalypse for around 350 damage. If he dies, I can just revive with Isaac's Phoenix. A very very effective healer with revive as well.

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2nd Party
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Garet

Chaos Lord

Fire Brand
Dragon Helm
Aegis Shield
Xylion Armor
Dragon Boots
Adept Ring

Nothin' to be proud of, but effective. Suggestions?

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Mia

Pure Mage

Lachesis Rule
Psychic Circlet
Riot Gloves
Magical Cassock
Golden Boots
Golden Shirt
Adept Ring

Another amazing healer. A bit more sturdy with Ivan, but a little lacking in speed, a little. She's pretty good at unleashing, but...ya...pretty good.

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Jenna

Dragoon

Tisiphone Edge
Psychic Circlet
Riot Gloves
Triton's Ward
Hyper Boots
Silk Shirt
War Ring

An effective healer, but no revive...however, she makes up for it by having a wide array of available psynergy. Triton's Ward is there for the extra boost for Pure Wish.

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Sheba

Wizard

Atropos Rod
Psychic Circlet
Riot Gloves
Iris Robe
Hyper Boots
Mythril Shirt
Unicorn Ring

Another effective healer. With PP recovery at 24 every turn, Sheba aint goin' down easy.


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well...that's my team...plz suggest better options for Garet, however, base the equipment around the Chaos Lord class, cuz i can't change it...

Levels(in order from top to bottom):

62
56
55
58
55
54
53
53

p.s. this team was made ENTIRELY by me, no internet help, no help whatsoever, so justsoyaknow.

[Mathak Kraven]

I'm currently training my team, but one setup will have Felix as Ronin, Sheba as Necromage (or whatever can summon Call Dullahan) Mia as healer and Piers as secundairy healer. With the best equipement evar, well best, I used RNG methods to get all the materials and weapons. I might post up my team later.