[Mallick]

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So check it out, these 6 *****ass cheerleaders beat the **** out of another girl for pretty much no reason. They wanted to make a violent video. The girl's injuries are pretty severe, she's still recovering. Check this out, too: 2 boys played lookout in the front yard while this **** went on.

Now... I don't really give a **** if they had a reason or not. First of all, they all lack balls. not just physically, I mean every single one is the epitome of cowardly filth. Watch the dumb ***** with stomach flab start throwing cheap shots every time the victim isn't looking. What's more, these are always the kind of dumb ****s that talk **** about how tough they are and how all their male friends think they are so badass. NO *****. Your male friends want to &!@# you, so they tell you whatever you want to hear. Did you see how she was fighting? I'm &!@# shocked that they managed to do that much damage to the girl. It took them 35 minutes to hurt a skinny little 16 year old girl that bad, but somehow they managed to do it. They must have been eating their Wheaties that morning - more proof that it was premeditated, I guess. And those dudes out front? I don't even have words for how &!@#ed up they are. They know 6 girls who are gonna beat up on 1 other girl (and the victim is the prettiest girl in the video, from what I saw) and they decide to HELP? How &!@#' chivalrous. They need to keep this as a story to tell for impressing strangers. "You helped a gang of girls beat up on somebody for no reason? Wow! I like you. Hell, you can come over to my house and &!@# my sister."

I hope the judge throws the book at these *****es, on the real. Severe punishment. And no, not just because a pretty chick got beat up by some nasty hoes, you've got to make an example of them. Let the high school kids know - "We'll &!@# you up for that ****, kids."

[Caael]

This is why the death sentance should be brought back. I stopped watching that video 10 seconds in because of the pure anger I felt towards those ****ing whores. I dont even know that girl but I feel so sorry for her. Those absolute ****ing *****es need to have their lives taken from them. Seriously.

[Gio]

I agree that is just freaking cowardly.

[Moonear]

Wow, what a bunch of *****es. How can 6 girls beat up 1 girl and 2 ****ing guys have the nerve to keep watch. How messed up can you get? Oh yeah, and 20 seconds into the video, some ***** yelled, "Don't hit the shelf! Don't hit the shelf!" How ****ed up do you have to be to do this?

[Saturos S.]

Yup, the luring part shows that it's done by girls. Men would just have had the fight anywhere, though they'd only fight if they think they have an advantage.

Basically, I think it's perfectly okay if someone walked to any of those girls who did that and gave them a real punch, just one, so they know what it feels like.

[Caael]

I would think it would be perfectly okay if all 8 of them were electric chair'd.

[Gio]

they each should be punched in the face about 5 times each.

[Ironsight]

The video got removed before I could watch it, but from what A Icould tell from reading PDM's post, I would have to agree with Caael in that they go away for a long time.

[Kuchiyose]

geeez what the hell is the world coming to. I think they should had have a more severe sentence, this was a Mandatory crime/premeditated crime.

[Caael]

I think they shoudl get death sentance. Seriously. They had no motivation for this at all.

[Eugine]

I want to see the video :P

[Kuchiyose]

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I think they should get death sentence. Seriously. They had no motivation for this at all.

< the law society will probably see that as an unfair sentence, I doubt the public thinks that, same for the victim parents.

[Golden Legacy]

http://www.wftv.com/...7645/index.html

Absolutely disgusting and sickening.

[Caael]

As most of you know, i'm a very harsh person. If they had some motivation for the beating, then maybe it would have been justified but making it ' just so they could put it on the internet' makes me sick.

[Kuchiyose]

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If they had some motivation for the beating, then maybe it would have been justified but making it ' just so they could put it on the internet' makes me sick.

I agree but there plan kinda back fired, dumb b****, this type of material will be tracked, I wonder what there faces were like when they were caught

[Toasty]

Caael, on Apr 9 2008, 03:57 PM, said:

As most of you know, i'm a very harsh person. If they had some motivation for the beating, then maybe it would have been justified but making it ' just so they could put it on the internet' makes me sick.

Their motivation wasn't solely for getting famous on youtube (which makes them just as retarded as the teenagers who vandalized cars in a parking garage and posted it on youtube), it was also because the girl getting beaten up posted some stuff about the 6 girls on her myspace. At least that's what I got from CNN.

Anyway, regardless of their motives, they're all retarded wusses. If they have a beef with the girl, I could care less if they posted stuff on their myspaces or confronted her at school and started talking trash, but all six of them beating her up, regardless if it was one at a time, that's NOT a fair fight (which is what they claimed it was). I'm glad they're being tried as adults, they deserve every moment they get in prison.

[Gio]

They should go to jail.
I completely agree.

[I'm Always BROKE]

I just can't watch this. I dunno WHY THE HELL I'm so sentimental lately, but this made my eyes kinda wet. What a stress the girl must've felt. I feel really sorry for her getting threated like this.

And what the ****'s wrong with those guys watching the whole damn thing? If I was one of them I'd beat the crap out of those *****es and helped the victim! But I do think you guys are overreacting a bit with the capital punishment thing... The perfect punishment for this would be a hard slap in the face followed by a rape... or two. :P

EDIT: Didn't watched the thing with sound turned on so I'll probably post again after I've seen it with sound.

[Mallick]

Toasty, on Apr 9 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

Their motivation wasn't solely for getting famous on youtube (which makes them just as retarded as the teenagers who vandalized cars in a parking garage and posted it on youtube), it was also because the girl getting beaten up posted some stuff about the 6 girls on her myspace. At least that's what I got from CNN.

Anyway, regardless of their motives, they're all retarded wusses. If they have a beef with the girl, I could care less if they posted stuff on their myspaces or confronted her at school and started talking trash, but all six of them beating her up, regardless if it was one at a time, that's NOT a fair fight (which is what they claimed it was). I'm glad they're being tried as adults, they deserve every moment they get in prison.

Her myspace got hacked twice, foo'.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=laS43vFxjFY

[Kuchiyose]

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Her myspace got hacked twice, foo'.

haha I was hoping it would get hacked xD

[Mallick]

Err? I mean the victim's. It was not her who posted vulgar messages. Her myspace got hacked, and so she made a new one, and it also got hacked.

[Caael]

Mallick, on Apr 10 2008, 11:08 PM, said:

Err? I mean the victim's. It was not her who posted vulgar messages. Her myspace got hacked, and so she made a new one, and it also got hacked.

Hacked=/= guessing password.

[Kuchiyose]

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Hacked=/= guessing password.

Or brute forced, Key logger, phishing,Dictionary attack, Hybrid attack or lucky guessing XD

[Gio]

There is a lot of phishing on myspace so that would probably be your best guess.

[Caael]

Kuchiyose, on Apr 11 2008, 05:13 PM, said:

Or brute forced, Key logger, phishing,Dictionary attack, Hybrid attack or lucky guessing XD

Judging by these girls, do you think they would go to that effort, or even know what those things are?

[Kuchiyose]

Aaa good point :X

[Moonear]

They could have hired someone to do the haxoring.

[Toasty]

I don;t think it was them who hax'd the account. It was probably someone else who hated the victim, and thought it would be a good way to give her a hard time without doing it themselves.

Either way, it got the attackers mad enough to do something about it.

[Lightning Star]

This is just plain low and unreal. I mean, fights between teenagers happen pretty often, but once in a while you get these sick b-tards who think by beating a girl to near death they'll become famous. I agree with all of you who think the attackers should be punished. I'd like to make them go through what the victim had to go through, but at the same time, that would only increase the violence in the world, which is the last thing we need. Simple solution: just remove them from the world period.

Honestly, how many times were we taught growing up "treat your neighbor as you'd want to be treated?" How many times did teachers tell us not to pick on kids, and that bullying was not the way to solve things? How many times do kindergarteners, kids, pre-teens, and teenagers have to be sat down and told that this kind of behavior is just WRONG?

Sure, one can blame the media for being so violent. But when it comes down to it, the television didn't make those 6 girls get up and beat up the 16 year old. The TV didn't take control over their bodies, and force them to continually hit and beat her. It was their decision, a very very sick and disturbing decision.

~1200

[CeruSapph]

I'll say that it's a COMPLETE shame. i just NOW heard of it and that's messed up. ALL of them on one girl!? That's seriously messed up! It's not even doggone fair! All in favor of the death sentence? I am. They'll be tried as adults and I wonder about the death sentence. Thankfully she wasnt killed.

[Split Infinity]

A death sentence in this case is hypocrisy, I hope you all realise that.

[Gio]

They didn't kill the girl so therefore the death sentence isn't even going to be considered.

[kate]

<.< I guess there was alot of beating not shown in the video...because honestly I thought it was going to be worse than that. And I don't get why she didn't even try to defend herself. Oh and is that link GL gave supposed to have sound? because I don't hear anything. Can someone give me the general idea of what they're saying?

[Toasty]

The death sentence is going WAY overboard. 10 years in prison sounds good to me. It's enough to take the rest of their childhood away from them, and keep them from getting into even half decent colleges. They deserve to have to years of their lives taken away for something like this. A year or two is nothing.

[Split Infinity]

I'd lay down 3-5 years for the main offenders, and give the rest of them some major counselling sessions. Otherwise you're taking away some of the most important years of their life, and might even land them onto the streets. Besides, happy slapping isn't exactly a rare occurance, and I doubt they intended to hospitalize a 16 year old girl.

[Kuchiyose]

This is linked to the concept of "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and life for a life", therefore they will give them a punishment that fits the seriousness of the crime, so the death sentence is out of the question, maybe long prison sentence?

[Someone Else]

It's disgusting and despicable, but from what I saw it could've been a HELL of a lot worse. Lots of those punches looked weak and probably didn't hit the targets, though a few did look nasty. Maybe the worst of it wasn't on video?

[Mallick]

The video was from after she had regained conciousness.

[Eugine]

I agree with kate opinion, and Split's sentencing.
3 year in prison and another 3 years of public service would be my judgement.

The victim should be given monetary compensation by the girls parents.

[Gio]

Mallick, on Apr 12 2008, 03:41 PM, said:

The video was from after she had regained conciousness.

That makes the whole situation a hell of a lot worse then.

[Quacnar]

People who are saying death sentence are out of their minds. What those girls did was bad, but not really bad. There are so many worse crimes. For beating up someone (something that happens very often) jail is questionable. I say 3 months of jail followed by consouling and 300 hours of community service for each.

[Eugine]

Three months is too little coz. A year minimum imo.
Lots of public service though imo, and the girl should be compensated surely.

Their lives should NOT be ruined because of this though.

[Toasty]

3 months? THEY BEAT HER UNCONCIOUS THREE TIMES.

I'll agree, 10 years is a bit much, but 3 months is chump change. It'd be like taking away one summer for them. Big deal. They need to realise that what they did is a criminal act. Heck, one of the mothers of the attackers even said that "Maybe [the victim] should post trash talk on myspace." And that's not an exaggeration. So obviously, at least ONE of the attackers weren't, and aren't being taught common sense by their parents.

They need to be put in prison until they're at least 19, if not 20, and then go through 2 years of probation with community service.

They may not have killed anyone, but they easily could have. Their lives should be impacted in the same way they impacted this other girl's life.

[Quacnar]

.eugine, on Apr 13 2008, 01:14 AM, said:

Three months is too little coz. A year minimum imo.
Lots of public service though imo, and the girl should be compensated surely.

Their lives should NOT be ruined because of this though.

1 year is fair

Toasty, on Apr 13 2008, 01:17 AM, said:

3 months? THEY BEAT HER UNCONCIOUS THREE TIMES.

I'll agree, 10 years is a bit much, but 3 months is chump change. It'd be like taking away one summer for them. Big deal. They need to realise that what they did is a criminal act. Heck, one of the mothers of the attackers even said that "Maybe [the victim] should post trash talk on myspace." And that's not an exaggeration. So obviously, at least ONE of the attackers weren't, and aren't being taught common sense by their parents.

They need to be put in prison until they're at least 19, if not 20, and then go through 2 years of probation with community service.

They may not have killed anyone, but they easily could have. Their lives should be impacted in the same way they impacted this other girl's life.

They didnt kill her, they beat her up. They shoudln't lose their childhood over an act that was a one time thing when no one was permantly hurt. The other girl's life wasn't greatly impacted. They shouldn't be trialed like adults because they aren't adults and teens often do ****ed up things.

[Split Infinity]

Teens are just young adults, Coz. Just because they mess up 'often' doesn't mean they get away with things like this. They practically broke every bone in her body. I've never heard of anything even close to this happening to anyone I know.

[Quacnar]

I am not saying that they should get away with it, I am saying that what some of you are saying their punishment should be is ridiculous.

[Split Infinity]

For the main offenders, 3 years at minimum. Age is not a factor here.

[Quacnar]

Age is always a factor in physical violence.

[Split Infinity]

No it isn't, because that's judicial discrimination. If anything, they should be given harsher sentences to make absoloutely sure they don't turn into repeat offenders in their adulthood.

[Toasty]

killercoz, on Apr 12 2008, 10:23 PM, said:

1 year is fair


They didnt kill her, they beat her up. They shoudln't lose their childhood over an act that was a one time thing when no one was permantly hurt. The other girl's life wasn't greatly impacted. They shouldn't be trialed like adults because they aren't adults and teens often do ****ed up things.

They may have done it once so far, but none of them showed any remorse over beating the victim senseless. Heck, when they were in the city's jail cell, one of them even asekd if they were going to miss cheerleading practice.

These girls will DEFINATELY do this again if they go unpunished. The girl lost sight out of one of her eyes, was knocked unconcious at least twice, if not three times, which might I tell you isn't exactly healthy, and there's more injuries to speak of.

They don;t know if she'll regain sight in her eye, so don't tell me she wasn't permanently injured.

They SHOULD be tried as adults because they did a very adult thing. They didn't just give the girl a black eye, they put her in a HOSPITAL.

And teens may do ****ed up things alot, but they don't do things like this all that often. Gang members maybe, but this is the kind of thing you'd see more often from adults. Not teens.

It's not that they beat a girl up, it's that they intentionally put a girl in the hospital.

They DID seriously impact the victim's life (physically and mentally), and deserve to be treated as adults.

[Eugine]

Very true Split! A kid fighting in a playground should be treated as an adult.

[Split Infinity]

Except a kid fighting in the playground isn't going to hospitalize anyone.

[Eugine]

Right.

Don't think age is always a factor, but it should be taken into consideration.

[Split Infinity]

Why should it be a factor at all? That's like saying you should consider the nationality, or gender of a defendant when handing down a sentence.

Unless you're a baby or something, it should make no difference.

[Eugine]

Why is there a drinking age limit?

[Split Infinity]

Because kids don't need alcohol at that stage in their lives. Not to mention their livers aren't developed enough to efficiently break down the poisons.

[Eugine]

Why is there an age limit for a legal contract?

[Split Infinity]

So adults can't take advantage of their naievity and make them sign things that they don't understand.

[Eugine]

Right. Now, apply your same reasoning as to why children are treated differently in court =)

Include the word "naievity" in your reasoning. Good luck.

[Split Infinity]

Gratuitous violence isn't the result of naievity though.

[Eugine]

Yep yep. When I had unnecessary fights in my childhood days it wasn't a result of naievity.

[Kuchiyose]

Again its down to the legal system, and yes age does effect sentencing, hence there is sentences for young offenders and Adults (young from age 10 to 20) and Adults 21 and higher. Due to the age the sentence's varies, for example for young offenders, they may not get prisons sentence since the legal system may want them not to re offend, say like young drug users, they steal to feed an addiction, so the legal system may send them to a drug rehabilitation to help them not re offend in the future, say if it was an adult charged with possession of drugs and theft, then they will more likely get a prison sentence, drug rehabilitation course and maybe reparation to pay or give back to the victim he/she stole from. Also the seriousness, age, mental health, guilty plea, previous offense and finances will be taken into account when in court, but yeah age does matter when been given a sentence.

[Split Infinity]

.eugine, on Apr 13 2008, 04:22 PM, said:

Yep yep. When I had unnecessary fights in my childhood days it wasn't a result of naievity.

Great edit, Eugine.

And you seem to be missing the point. This wasn't just some playground scrap; they ganged up on her and beat her to within an inch of her life with absoloutely no provocation. There's a fine line between naievity and plain brutality. A really thick line, actually.

[Kuchiyose]

The possible chrages are: felonious battery, false imprisonment and kidnapping in connection with the attack. These are what could be imposed on the attackers

[Aquamarine]

I can't believe you guys really think there was absolutely no provocation. Don't get me wrong, I'm disgusted with these girls too, they should be severely punished. But it's never so black and white, there MUST have been some kind of provocation, no matter how small. Maybe she told one of her friends that one of those girls was a ***** or something like that.

And all of you saying that they should go for 3 years to prison are idiots. Do you even know what prison is? Do you know how 3 years in jail would effect them? Sure, what they did was awful, and liek I already said, they should be severely punished. But 3 years in prison is too much.

[Drizzy Drake]

I know a 17 year old who did 6 monthes for beating up a guy, and it was less brutal than this was. And that's in Canada, and he was tried as a child. If the 6 of them are tried as adults, they will surely get 1-3 years, which I think is perfectly acceptable. 6 on 1, ****, they could have EASILY killed her.

[Quacnar]

BUt they didnt and that makes all the difference. Do you know what prison can do to people??? They can get raped by fellow cell mates. 3 years will make those girls worse, while 3 months- 1 year will make them learn a lesson.

[Drizzy Drake]

So my buddy in Canada, where the punishments are ussually less than those of America, is gonig to do MORE time than these 6 girls? Come on. That's a joke. Especially because they are being charged as adults. They COULD be charged with attempted, which could run a sentence of life.

3 years should be the MINIMUM. Nobody will look at it like "oh, it will ruin their childhood" if they are being charged as adults. They will be looked at just like Charles Manson was looked at, as an adult who ****ed up, badly.

[Caael]

Well they've done this horrible crime, so they dont deserve to have a childhood.

[Drizzy Drake]

My thoughts exactly. Like sure, I've done some effed up stuff, and if I got actaully convicted of it, I'd accept a long sentence. I wouldn't try and act remorsefull, which I know these girls will surely do when they get in court. They'll cry, and say they were stupid and that they are sorry. I jsut hope the jury doesn't fall for that ****.

Like, an assault charge CAN carry 10 years over here, and since it was THAT severe, I can them getting a long jail sentence.

[Eugine]

I think 1 year minumum - 4 years maximum in prison and like 3 years community service. The crime wasn't that bad imo =) (well, atleast the video GL posted)
I think the media will scar them brutally (or already has), so let them go clean yards and public toilets ^.^
Anyone has a link which describes the full crime? I've only watched the video.

[Caael]

Look at the OP.

[Drizzy Drake]

Sexual assault is a MINIMUM of 5 years, so why can't an assault of this magnitude have a long prison sentence. 1-3 years is NOTHING. Anybody can breeze past that.

[Eugine]

That link lack so many details. Based on that link, 1-3 year for me lolz.

[Drizzy Drake]

That's just not good enough.

[Quacnar]

Dipset, on Apr 13 2008, 12:03 PM, said:

Sexual assault is a MINIMUM of 5 years, so why can't an assault of this magnitude have a long prison sentence. 1-3 years is NOTHING. Anybody can breeze past that.

I wouldn't be able to, but perhas you would. To say 1-3 years of jail is nothing , you're out of your mind. Trying going to jail to see what it feels like.

[Caael]

Out of everybody on the forum, i think skidz would know best what jail is like :P

[Kuchiyose]

Well it does show that most people here favor Retributivism over Utilitarianism.

[Eugine]

Not into law. Explain.
Or should I wiki?

[Kuchiyose]

Retributivism: Concerned about punishing the offender for the wrong they have done. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth life for a life its linked with this.

Utilitarianism: Tries and stop the offender re offending, so the Legal system looks for ways to stop the offender re offending, say like a drug user feeding an addiction, instead of prison, they will put the person on a drug rehabilitation to break there addiction so they don't steal again.

[Eugine]

I prefer Utilitarianism.

[Kuchiyose]

I prefer both, the offender deserve the punishment that fits the serious of the crime and at the same time prevent them from re offending.

[Eugine]

Yep yep. I just prefer Utilitarianism.

[Kuchiyose]

aaa, any reason why? Just curious:)

[Eugine]

Well, it's just my personality. I don't really hold grudges, and I believe in second chances.
"First time is a mistake, second time is a habit". I usually go by that =)

And yeah, I'm against capital punishment. I say let them do the easy manufacturing jobs x3.

Basically, for me -
1st offense - Utilitarianism
2nd offense - Retributivism

[Drizzy Drake]

killercoz, on Apr 13 2008, 12:18 PM, said:

I wouldn't be able to, but perhas you would. To say 1-3 years of jail is nothing , you're out of your mind. Trying going to jail to see what it feels like.

I'd rather not talk about it, but I do know that 1-3 years is practically nothing. ****, 15 years to some people is nothing.

[Kuchiyose]

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Well, it's just my personality. I don't really hold grudges, and I believe in second chances.
"First time is a mistake, second time is a habit". I usually go by that =)

And yeah, I'm against capital punishment. I say let them do the easy manufacturing jobs x3.

Basically, for me -
1st offense - Utilitarianism
2nd offense - Retributivism

Aaaa actually thats the best way to think, (well in my opinion anyways) and I agree with you

[Drizzy Drake]

So say I murder somebody since it's my first time, should I get like 3 years in jail?

[Kuchiyose]

It depends:

Guilty plea, age, the crime, how it was carried out, Mens rea and Actus rea there? etc

[Eugine]

Different crime, different time >>

[Drizzy Drake]

1st degree, pre meditated, bought the gun the day before, MURDER!!!

First murder though. By your therory...

[Kuchiyose]

Sound like you went insane, therefore charged of been insane and sent to a mental health hospital XD

[Drizzy Drake]

That's not insanity. This girl was annoying me one day, so I followed her for days. I went out and bought a gun on Friday, and went to her house, comepletly aware of what i was doing, and shot her.

Your therory states that I should get 3 years since it was my first murder.

[Kuchiyose]

OBJECTION! A witness saw you and asked if you was okay and you was high as a bat xD
Therefore no actus reas xD

[Eugine]

Where did he say all crime deserves three years?

[Drizzy Drake]

Well, I am assuming that 3 years is the end of "light" punishment.

@ K-Overuled. The accused has admited to have been sober, and turned himself in, and was proven to have been sober by drug tests.

[Kuchiyose]

Sustained - The accused would admit although clearly seen not sober, First test was proven not lawful since they were taken by Dipset himself and swapped with the real sample, how he did that, still yet unknown, the real sample proves Dipset was 'insane' when he killed the victim on the day of the murder xD

[Drizzy Drake]

Overruled.

One more untrue word out of you, and thou shalt be kicked out of this court.

[Kuchiyose]

Sustained - my evidence is proven legal and sufficient! And I have the judges Gavel! Because I am the Judge! *shock, Horror*

[Drizzy Drake]

*Points to fake wig thingy* This gives me the power to kick you out.

Ok, I have come to my conclusion. Since Dipset was PROVEN to be sane, and to be perfectly sober the night of the murder, I will only give him 5 years because it was his first offense. Next time though Christopher, you will get 25 years.

[Kuchiyose]

Damn the wig wins all

[Drizzy Drake]

That it does.

Five words.

[Toasty]

Aquamarine, on Apr 13 2008, 05:24 AM, said:

I can't believe you guys really think there was absolutely no provocation. Don't get me wrong, I'm disgusted with these girls too, they should be severely punished. But it's never so black and white, there MUST have been some kind of provocation, no matter how small. Maybe she told one of her friends that one of those girls was a ***** or something like that.

And all of you saying that they should go for 3 years to prison are idiots. Do you even know what prison is? Do you know how 3 years in jail would effect them? Sure, what they did was awful, and liek I already said, they should be severely punished. But 3 years in prison is too much.

The provocation was some trash talk that the attackers found on the victim's myspace. That's hardly worth putting someone in the hospital for. 3 years sounds good to me. I woouldn't be against more.

I've definately been mad enough to beat the hell out of someone before, but every time I got that mad, it was after a few months pf torment. Even then, I never laid a hand on him. Every time I ever had the chance or the right to hit someone, I decided against it. Every time. And even though I'm itching at the chance to hit someone, so people will actually start taking me seriously, everyone who I've ever been mad at has either become an aquaintance, or a friend. Either way, for me at least, nothing good has ever come from violence.

[Split Infinity]

And Aqua, by no provocation I meant at the time. If she'd been shoving people around and talking trash to them I could have put it down to a 'heat of the moment' thing, but it wasn't. It was completely pre-meditated, the attackers knew exactly what they were doing; nothing the victim could have said to them would have been worth such a severe beating. They could have changed their minds or held back whenever they wanted to, and they even had the nerve to steal a car, drive her to an unfamiliar place and dump her on the street, which are further crimes they'll be charged with. These girls don't just need to be taught a lesson, they need to be punished. Because you just don't do those kind of things. Ever.

And what's this about being raped, Coz? Ever heard of women's prison?

[Mallick]

Toasty, on Apr 13 2008, 11:30 PM, said:

The provocation was some trash talk that the attackers found on the victim's myspace. That's hardly worth putting someone in the hospital for. 3 years sounds good to me. I woouldn't be against more.

I've definately been mad enough to beat the hell out of someone before, but every time I got that mad, it was after a few months pf torment. Even then, I never laid a hand on him. Every time I ever had the chance or the right to hit someone, I decided against it. Every time. And even though I'm itching at the chance to hit someone, so people will actually start taking me seriously, everyone who I've ever been mad at has either become an aquaintance, or a friend. Either way, for me at least, nothing good has ever come from violence.

Her myspace got hacked.

[Kuchiyose]

The attackers or the victims get hacked?

Edit: Trust me theres a reason for me asking this.

[Split Infinity]

Mallick, on Apr 14 2008, 07:54 PM, said:

Her myspace got hacked.

And that makes it okay?

[Mallick]

She didn't send the message?

[Drizzy Drake]

Toasty, on Apr 14 2008, 02:30 AM, said:

The provocation was some trash talk that the attackers found on the victim's myspace. That's hardly worth putting someone in the hospital for. 3 years sounds good to me. I woouldn't be against more.

I've definately been mad enough to beat the hell out of someone before, but every time I got that mad, it was after a few months pf torment. Even then, I never laid a hand on him. Every time I ever had the chance or the right to hit someone, I decided against it. Every time. And even though I'm itching at the chance to hit someone, so people will actually start taking me seriously, everyone who I've ever been mad at has either become an aquaintance, or a friend. Either way, for me at least, nothing good has ever come from violence.

Stuff can. If somebody has been picking on you for a month, give them a good shot in the face, or a knee to their face, and they'll stop.

[Aquamarine]

Dipset, on Apr 14 2008, 06:06 PM, said:

Stuff can. If somebody has been picking on you for a month, give them a good shot in the face, or a knee to their face, and they'll stop.

Like srsly. Not to mention you'll feel better about yourself and people of your age and your friends will have a better opinion of you. They'll see you're not some wuss and that you're not afraid of a little physical pain.

[Drizzy Drake]

Aqua speaks the truth. Or you can do the whole pull a knife on them. Even if you aren't gonna do it, most peopl,e get scarred ****less, and will generally leave you alone.

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, but you'll be in a world of trouble with your parents/teachers/other thugs if you do the knife thing. Plus, not many people will think you're brave. They'll know they shouldn't mess with you, yes, but they won't think you brave. However, a fair one on one fist fight always results in some respect.

[Drizzy Drake]

True dat. Don't be scurred to get your feet wet.

[TheEnglishman]

Man I hadn't seen this topic yet.
It sounds pretty cowardly. All those people teaming up on one girl? It's cowardly anyway, but if it was done for no reason, then it's even worse. It's mindless violence, and I think jail time would be perfectly reasonable.

[Drizzy Drake]

I'm going for 5 years for the girls, and 1 year probation for them en, since they were an accesory. It's like being the driver for a bank heist.

[TheEnglishman]

I'm not sure they'd do 5 years. Maybe 2 or 3, though in my eyes they deserve longer.

[Drizzy Drake]

I think with all the evidence, they could easily do 5 years, seeing how America's judicial system is real strict.

[Quacnar]

So, since violence is okay if someone's picking on you, the girl was picking on the others through the myspace, they get to beat her up.

[Moonear]

But she wasn't picking on them on Myspace.

[Drizzy Drake]

A little violence to make somebdoy stop is allright, but not to that extent. Plus, her Myspace was hacked, it wasn't her.

[Split Infinity]

...what kind of problems do you use violence to solve, Skidz?

[Ironsight]

Ignore this please.

[Drizzy Drake]

Split Infinity, on Apr 14 2008, 05:33 PM, said:

...what kind of problems do you use violence to solve, Skidz?

See this is where I get hypocritical. Sure, I resort to violence alot, but I don't think it's nessecarily right. I just think it's the correct thing to do. If that makes sense.

Plus, nowadays I'll usually pull a knife, and they will just back off or some ****.

[Split Infinity]

Wtf? That's completely over the top, unless you meet a lot of dangerous people.

[Drizzy Drake]

Kingston isn't the nicest town in the world.

[Kuchiyose]

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Kingston isn't the nicest town in the world.

Sounds like a ruff area

[Toasty]

Mallick, on Apr 14 2008, 02:54 AM, said:

Her myspace got hacked.

Note how I didn't say "Because the victim posted trash talk on her myspace".

[Toasty]

Sorry for the double post, but this needs to be said:

WHAT. THE. ****.

These crazy-ass cheerleaders are being set free. Bail may have been $31k - $37k, but WTF. These kids need to be taught a lesson. They need to serve time. They basically got off by signing their name on a sheet of paper.

[Mallick]

Dipset, on Apr 14 2008, 02:41 PM, said:

See this is where I get hypocritical. Sure, I resort to violence alot, but I don't think it's nessecarily right. I just think it's the correct thing to do. If that makes sense.

Plus, nowadays I'll usually pull a knife, and they will just back off or some ****.

I'd hate to turn into kcoz, but, seriously..

[Drizzy Drake]

Toasty, on Apr 15 2008, 01:08 AM, said:

Sorry for the double post, but this needs to be said:

WHAT. THE. ****.

These crazy-ass cheerleaders are being set free. Bail may have been $31k - $37k, but WTF. These kids need to be taught a lesson. They need to serve time. They basically got off by signing their name on a sheet of paper.

EVERYBODY has a right to bail if it is their first charge. It may not be great, but we all have to live with it. The thing is they have not been proven guilty by a court of law, and are therefore TECHNICALLY innocent.

Mallick, on Apr 15 2008, 03:08 AM, said:

I'd hate to turn into kcoz, but, seriously..

Basically I think what I do alot is wrong, but I do it anyway, and if I got caught, I would accept the punishment because I know it's wrong.

What I mean by it's the correct thing to do, is that I think it is what needs to be done. Doesn't make it right.

[Caael]

Well at least if they do it again, because it's not their first charge anymore it will be more severe.

[Drizzy Drake]

If they breach bail in ANY way, they will most likely be taken to a county jail untill their trail, but you never know, sometimes they just up bail. Like 3 strikes your out kind of thing.

[Gio]

Dipset, on Apr 15 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

EVERYBODY has a right to bail if it is their first charge. It may not be great, but we all have to live with it. The thing is they have not been proven guilty by a court of law, and are therefore TECHNICALLY innocent.
Basically I think what I do alot is wrong, but I do it anyway, and if I got caught, I would accept the punishment because I know it's wrong.

What I mean by it's the correct thing to do, is that I think it is what needs to be done. Doesn't make it right.

For one of the girls is her second charge of violence. I saw it on the news today and they said she has acting violently towards her ex boyfriend and he even had a restraining order on her, which she violated.

[Drizzy Drake]

Well then lock her up.

[Toasty]

They should all be locked up. Even if only to set an example. Too many kids these days can't seem to just shrug stuff off. It's more of a sign of weakness to fight back then to shrug something off and say "You're not worth my time."

The only time that I feel it's necessary to hit back, is when you're being attacked, or someone you care about is being seriously threatened. And in the first case, you should only use defensive moves, i.e. trying to use their momentum to throw them to the ground. In the latter, go ape-**** on them.

I've been in neither situation, so I've never seen the need to fight someone. If they want to throw the punch, I'll fight them defensively. If they want to threaten my friends and family, knock 'em out as many times as I have to.

[Gio]

I think they should be locked up for some time, and then when they get out they should still have certain privileges kept from them, and they should slowly get them back.

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The only time that I feel it's necessary to hit back, is when you're being attacked, or someone you care about is being seriously threatened. And in the first case, you should only use defensive moves, i.e. trying to use their momentum to throw them to the ground. In the latter, go ape-**** on them.

I have only been in three fights my whole life.
The first one involved me trying to walk away from the fight and then the kid came after me and my brother got in between us and he ended up hitting my bro. I turned around and beat the crap out of him. I think that was justified.

The second time I rounded the corner in my neighborhood and the same kid from the last story was beating up a kid at least five years younger than him, and I pulled him off the kid and he swung at me and hit me in the face and I returned the favor and he ran off crying. I think that was also justified.

Then the third time a guy had me cornered and hit me in the head a couple times before I could hit him at all, but I ended up getting out of the corner, and despite everybody yelling fight I told him I wasn't going to waste my time and I walked away, and that was very hard to do.

With all that said, I think it is alright to fight if you are put into specific situations, but you should never pick a fight.

[Toasty]

Yes, yes, good, and true.

I think the closest I've ever gotten to hitting someone, was last year at a track meet. A kid who I'd known for a few years, and who had been picking on me almost all that year, stuck gum in my hair. Never hit him though. Apaarently he thinks I'm "ok" now. I'm fine with that as long as I don't get any more BS from him.