Rumour: Kid Icarus game in development franchise revived?
#1
Posted 10 May 2008 - 02:59 PM
http://wii.kombo.com...php?artid=11895
IGN Wii's Matt Casamassina (link to be found)
Still just speculation, of course. Thoughts?
#2
Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:08 PM
#3
Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:11 PM
Aquamarine, on May 10 2008, 02:08 PM, said:
Pretty much same.
Nintendo relies on nostalgia WAAAY too much. Raise your hand if you knew Kid Icarus was a game before Brawl.
#4
Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:14 PM
That concept art is awful.
#5
Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:18 PM
I digress though, you get my point.
#6
Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:21 PM
And this game could be great if they used a dark storyline and art style (like Kombo is reporting they are), and if it isn't a 3D/2.5D sidescroller.
#7
Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:28 PM
I mean, c'mon. Kid Icarus with it's Angel Land and Angel Army or whatever. It's just a little lame. Maybe it'll be fun, but still a little lame.
#9
Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:39 PM
It's fake of course, but that would be an awesome character design.
#10
Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:39 PM
Wind Dude, on May 10 2008, 03:28 PM, said:
http://wii.ign.com/o...826/826985.html
#13
Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:43 PM
Wind Dude, on May 10 2008, 05:28 PM, said:
I mean, c'mon. Kid Icarus with it's Angel Land and Angel Army or whatever. It's just a little lame. Maybe it'll be fun, but still a little lame.
For all intents and purposes, Kid Icarus would be a "new" first-party franchise. It's been over 20 years since its appearance. Most people have never heard of let alone played it, so it would be "new", entirely so.
Think of Fire Emblem; it's one of Nintendo's franchises that's been around for nearly two decades, but only in Japan. The first Fire Emblem game to be released to the Western markets was in 2003 for the GBA - it wasn't a new game or franchise in Japan, but it was new for North America/Europe/Australia, etc.
#15
Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:47 PM
Split Infinity, on May 10 2008, 04:43 PM, said:
@Zeypher
I know, it's one of the awesome upcoming Wii games that hardly anybody knows about right now.
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Yeah, especially for new gamers.
#16
Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:05 PM
Wind Dude, on May 10 2008, 02:11 PM, said:
Nintendo relies on nostalgia WAAAY too much. Raise your hand if you knew Kid Icarus was a game before Brawl.
*raises hand* But only because of a trophy in Melee.
It sounds like it could turn out to be a pretty good game, but that all depends on how it's set up. Personally I think it'd work well as a thrid person adventure kind of game.
#17
Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:29 PM
Toasty, on May 10 2008, 07:05 PM, said:
Someone else thought of it too! I've always thought that, if Nintendo really goes for it, Kid Icarus could become its answer to Devil May Cry.
#18
Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:30 PM
#20
Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:31 PM
#22
Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:33 PM
Wind Dude, on May 10 2008, 05:31 PM, said:
Hmm check this out http://www.goldensun-syndicate.net/forum/i...showtopic=12192
#24
Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:34 PM
#27
Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:36 PM
#28
Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:38 PM
Zeypher, on May 10 2008, 04:35 PM, said:
I think they should make Pokemon real time battles. The A, B, X, and Y buttons can be the four different attacks. That would be so sick.
That's actually a pretty cool idea... though Split has a point.
Anyway, to answer to Disaster: Day of Crisis. Well, it's not first-party (though it doesn't need to be, FE isn't first-party nor is Pokemon) and unless it becomes an actual franchise it won't count.
But my point is, I'd just rather Nintendo make a new shooter or even better, an RPG that's not Pokemon. I think it'd benefit them more.
#29
Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:50 PM
That said, Wind Dude, Nintendo has resources, what's to say they aren't working on a separate RPG/shooter game? Companies always have many games in development, Kid Icarus (if true) would just be one additional project out of many.
#30
Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:53 PM
Golden Legacy, on May 10 2008, 04:50 PM, said:
I considered that, but if that were entirely true why are there so few Wii games right now?
Meh, I'll just hope you're right.
#31
Posted 10 May 2008 - 06:01 PM
Wind Dude, on May 10 2008, 07:53 PM, said:
I forget where I read it, but Nintendo is working on 70+ titles for Wii.
That said, Nintendo is notorious for keeping projects secret until late in development. Besides, with Wii's insane (and unexpected) success, Nintendo has reason to simply let the sales continue, no need to reveal some of their future big titles all right away. (Although, I agree, it does beg the question - with Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Smash out of the way, Nintendo surely has to be working on some new franchises/IPs, right?)
Perhaps that's where Kid Icarus will come in.
#33
Posted 10 May 2008 - 06:37 PM
Please, PLEASE get a different voice actor for Pit than the one from Brawl.
#34
Posted 10 May 2008 - 07:27 PM
Wind Dude, on May 10 2008, 06:37 PM, said:
Truer words have never been spoken.
And yeah, Nintendo is working their asses off right now for Wii games...or at least they should be. The next Wii Zelda started development a year before TP's release, so we can expect Zelda in 09'...Metroid...uh...idk. Plus theres Star Fox, Pikmin, and Animal Crossing still to be made. And we have Kid Icarus right here.
Eneehwai, if Kid Icarus is the big game we were promised, they'll definitely make it to the best of their abilities...so that means no pansy looking Pit :(
#35
Posted 10 May 2008 - 07:37 PM
#36
Posted 10 May 2008 - 07:39 PM
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That would be nice. Maybe combine Starship dogfights and adventure...and tack on some awesome Wifi.
And what would a Pikmin 3 be like? Shiggy would totally have to pull a good plot out of his *** this time around...
#38
Posted 10 May 2008 - 08:37 PM
I guess DMC-style action would be cool, though those games kind of bore me.
#39
Posted 10 May 2008 - 09:30 PM
Golden Legacy, on May 10 2008, 08:28 PM, said:
My bad >.>
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DMC = Devil May Cry?
Yeah, less free-roam around the world and stuff would suck...
Maybe it'll be a Castlevania-esque adventure.
#40
Posted 10 May 2008 - 10:25 PM
#43
Posted 11 May 2008 - 12:47 AM
I know that it would be a new game to most, but even so it still suggests they're unwilling to take a risk on something new.
#44
Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:21 AM
Me111, on May 11 2008, 02:47 AM, said:
http://www.goldensun-syndicate.net/forum/i...showtopic=12192 (thank you, Zeypher).
Not to mention, this is the company that decided to bring a two-screened/touch-screen handheld to compete against the technologically superior PSP, that decided to forgo graphics in favor of a new control scheme for their new console - Nintendo is "unwilling to take a risk on something new"?
And I don't understand where people are coming from that they're upset that Nintendo is possibly working on a Kid Icarus game. It's just one out of many (again as last reported, over 70 future Wii titles are being developed by Nintendo alone). They're a game company, and so they are constantly putting resources into developing game concepts and ideas, whether already existing or new.
As mentioned, Kid Icarus is for all purposes new. It's going to go from a 2-D side-scroller on the NES to a full-fledged 3-D action/adventure oriented game (presumably), after a 20 year hiatus. That's already taking enough of a "risk". There have been plenty of other "risks" that have happened before - such as Fire Emblem (bringing it from Japan to the Western markets), Pikmin, and yes even Super Smash Bros. was a huge risk for Nintendo - Smash was never supposed or expected to be a mega-hit, it was just meant to be a quirky little "side game", and we all know how huge it became.
And now Nintendo has decided to take a shot with Kid Icarus. Who knows how it will end up?
#45
Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:25 AM
#46
Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:27 AM
And for goodness sake, don't be a complete @#$%tard and ignore the rest of my post. Either read it like any decent person responding would, or don't post at all.
#48
Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:31 AM
Golden Legacy, on May 11 2008, 08:21 AM, said:
Not to mention, this is the company that decided to bring a two-screened/touch-screen handheld to compete against the technologically superior PSP, that decided to forgo graphics in favor of a new control scheme for their new console - Nintendo is "unwilling to take a risk on something new"?
I meant in terms of games. I realise that when it comes to console design, Nintendo are pretty new and original. But if you look at the games they produce, they're mainly new games for old series. Now I'll admit that these games are generally good, and Nintendo could probably get Kid Icarus to work as well, but I'd just like them to pull something new out of the bag.
EDIT: Is there anything official with this '70+' games in development GL?
#49
Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:37 AM
Me111, on May 11 2008, 03:31 AM, said:
As a matter of fact, yes. It was an official statement from Satoru Iwata (Nintendo's president) himself. I'll try and find a link, it was relatively recent.
EDIT: All right, so that figure was apparently referencing DS titles. Wii titles number 45 being worked on in-house, the statement was given last year. This is the best link I can find so far.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=con...id=aXvRwZ3iOQw4
EDIT2: I realize the source is outdated. I actually thought I had read about it more recently, I'll keep searching because I know a similar statement was given more recent than that. But yes, even if that's the case, 45 Wii titles and we've seen the few major first-party titles published since (Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Mario Kart Wii, Super Smash Bros. Brawl), that still leaves a very solid number of games Nintendo is working on for Wii, by itself. Which was the whole point of this. Bah.
#50
Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:48 AM
And lol @ PDM and GL. Funny.
#51
Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:51 AM
#52
Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:52 AM
#53
Posted 11 May 2008 - 03:10 AM
#54
Posted 11 May 2008 - 04:06 AM
That said, the new Kid Icarus game would be most easily done in a 3D adventure style. FPS wouldn't work, and I don't know if there are any supporting characters in this new game or not, but regardless, this doesn't seem like an RPG kind of game. Almost, but it just deosn't seem like it would work well as an RPG.
Now gimme FF13 for the Wii, dangit! :P
#55
Posted 11 May 2008 - 04:43 AM
#56
Posted 11 May 2008 - 08:34 AM
Me111, on May 11 2008, 11:10 AM, said:
Mach Rider, damnit! If they're going to revive an old franchise, it really should be Mach Rider. It has a more "mature" feel to it, could have extremely original gameplay and simply overflows with potential.
Anyhow, the 70+ Nintendo Wii games is nothing but a lie. Come on, Nintendo lies ALL the time! What they're making atm are WiiMusic, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing(which will btw probably be the 'big title' of this year that Ninty mentioned), Pikmin, Mario Sluggers(or whatever the name is...), Disaster and the new Zelda. There might be one or two other smaller titles(like Project H.A.M.M.E.R. which may be in development again) but that's about it.
But you know why Nintendo doesn't want to make a new franchise, especially if it has a more serious feel to it? Because Eternal Darkness and Geist were new games that had pathetic sales.
And I think Kid Icarus should be a third person shooter with many stealth aspects. And add some PilotWings gameplay to it.
PS. If Nintendo doesn't make F-Zero for Wii I'll be very cross.
#57
Posted 11 May 2008 - 10:40 AM
Aquamarine, on May 11 2008, 10:34 AM, said:
The actual figure is 45, not 70, but why are you doubtful? In fact, if anything, development on 45 titles is too little I feel. You have to remember that being in "development" can mean all sorts of things. It can mean actually producing the game and making playable demos out of it. It can mean coding and creating the level design. Or it can even be just brainstorming ideas and trying out new concepts.
All different levels of development. That's how all game companies work. If Nintendo/other companies were only focusing on the few games we've already seen released, their business would fail.
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That much is quite true. However, No More Heroes sold reasonably well, as did Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles. There is a bigger market for mature games on Wii than there was for GameCube - not huge, but it's definitely there and these titles have shown its possible.
That is why Nintendo itself is making Disaster: Day of Crisis.
And that is also why the rumoured concept art for Kid Icarus (see first page) seems to depict a much more mature, older Pit.
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It's coming. Miyamoto himself has stated he's interested in creating the game, and that was quite a while ago. I'll bet it's one of those many games "in development", and whether that means it's playable right now or they're just toying around with it, it's coming.
#58
Posted 11 May 2008 - 11:50 AM
GL, article please on where Miyamoto said that.
#59
Posted 11 May 2008 - 12:10 PM
This was a while ago, but yes as you said, Nintendo has clearly not forgotten the franchise with its different cameos (Mario Kart Wii spoiler:
I found the IGN article that first revealed that Factor 5 and Nintendo were working together on a project for Wii.
http://uk.wii.ign.co...5/845353p1.html
#60
Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:16 PM
Golden Legacy, on May 11 2008, 06:40 PM, said:
All different levels of development. That's how all game companies work. If Nintendo/other companies were only focusing on the few games we've already seen released, their business would fail.
That much is quite true. However, No More Heroes sold reasonably well, as did Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles. There is a bigger market for mature games on Wii than there was for GameCube - not huge, but it's definitely there and these titles have shown its possible.
That is why Nintendo itself is making Disaster: Day of Crisis.
And that is also why the rumoured concept art for Kid Icarus (see first page) seems to depict a much more mature, older Pit.
It's coming. Miyamoto himself has stated he's interested in creating the game, and that was quite a while ago. I'll bet it's one of those many games "in development", and whether that means it's playable right now or they're just toying around with it, it's coming.
Well 45 games is definitely more plausible than 70, but I think that's also too much. Still, you could be right.
No more Heroes and Umbrella Chronicles weren't 2nd party like Eternal Darkness and Geist. I doubt Nintendo themselves would risk making something as serious as those two. Disaster might be realistic, but I don't think it'll have the horror qualities of those two GC games.
As for your F-Zero statement, I know it's not confirmation but I felt a surge of joy when you said that. PLEASE bring one of my all time favourite franchises to the Wii!
Golden Legacy, on May 11 2008, 08:10 PM, said:
Ah yes, I remember this, but I don't think I read where Miyamoto actually said he wants to make it. However, I hope it's not Nintendo that creates the game... Give it to Amusement Vision again, they did a wonderful job with GX!
#61
Posted 12 May 2008 - 01:52 PM
i cant say a care about this, if it is made, its just more evidence Nintendo cares far too much about its past and not enough about its future.
We all know the only reason Pit is in SSBB is because of the sexual favours his creator granted mr. Sakurai
#62
Posted 12 May 2008 - 02:08 PM
#63
Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:34 PM
Aquamarine, on May 11 2008, 11:16 AM, said:
You can have a serious game without it being in the horror genre. I don't know many people who would be crazy about buying a horror game. Scarry/creepy, sure, but not horror. That's probably why Eternal Darkness didn't sell well.
I'd like to see a more mature Kid Icarus game. If they use the Pit from Brawl and make it all happy-go-lucky, I'm going to throw up my stomach and excrete my intestines out my ***.
Alright, maybe not that drastic, but I'll be dissapointed.
#64
Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:44 PM
Laharl, on May 12 2008, 03:52 PM, said:
I had to read through that through five times before I finally got it.
I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic about a new Kid Icarus game. Optimistic that if done right, it could add a much needed new face to Nintendo's franchises (going for the mature/action-adventure route), cautious that it could just become a continuation of Pit's young image from Brawl.
#65
Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:49 PM
'Teenage Icarus' or 'Juvenille Icarus' doesnt sound very good at all now does it?
#66
Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:56 PM
..... ok, I concede. I got grilled. like a steak. with bbq sauce.
#67
Posted 12 May 2008 - 06:24 PM
Anyway, just because the name is "Kid Icarus" doesn't mean they HAVE to make Pit a kid. It's just the name of a franchise.
#68
Posted 12 May 2008 - 06:49 PM
#70
Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:52 PM
Maybe the reason Kid Icarus was hard because of crappy retro controls and graphics that made it hard to know when you were going to hit something? I've only played the Trial in Brawl, mind.
#71
Posted 13 May 2008 - 12:10 AM
Golden Legacy, on May 12 2008, 07:44 PM, said:
I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic about a new Kid Icarus game. Optimistic that if done right, it could add a much needed new face to Nintendo's franchises (going for the mature/action-adventure route), cautious that it could just become a continuation of Pit's young image from Brawl.
As long as this Pit aint used, I'll be happy.
http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1262477/article_images/captainn25.jpg
And in case you're wondering, the other guy is Simon Belmont.