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Rumour: Kid Icarus game in development franchise revived?

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    Posted 10 May 2008 - 02:59 PM

    Sources have indicated that Factor 5 and Nintendo are collectively working together to bring back the Kid Icarus franchise. The last appearance of the game was on the NES - the title character, Pit, is a newcomer in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

    http://wii.kombo.com...php?artid=11895
    IGN Wii's Matt Casamassina (link to be found)


    Still just speculation, of course. Thoughts?

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      Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:08 PM

      Pfft, I've known for months Nintendo has probably been making this. Miyamoto-san said he would love to revive the game. Should prove interesting, and I support the idea. Though perhaps a completely new franchise would be a better idea...

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        Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:11 PM

        View PostAquamarine, on May 10 2008, 02:08 PM, said:

        Pfft, I've known for months Nintendo has probably been making this. Miyamoto-san said he would love to revive the game. Should prove interesting, and I support the idea. Though perhaps a completely new franchise would be a better idea...

        Pretty much same.

        Nintendo relies on nostalgia WAAAY too much. Raise your hand if you knew Kid Icarus was a game before Brawl.

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          Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:14 PM

          *Raises hand* But only because there was a Pit trophy in Melee.

          That concept art is awful.

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            Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:18 PM

            Okay, raise your hand if you knew it was a game before Melee.

            I digress though, you get my point.

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              Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:21 PM

              *Raises Hand* I used to have it back when my NES still worked.

              And this game could be great if they used a dark storyline and art style (like Kombo is reporting they are), and if it isn't a 3D/2.5D sidescroller.

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                Posted 10 May 2008 - 03:28 PM

                I really wish they'd just make a new first-party franchise. How about a mature RPG or shooter (besides Metroid) franchise to ditch the kiddy look?

                I mean, c'mon. Kid Icarus with it's Angel Land and Angel Army or whatever. It's just a little lame. Maybe it'll be fun, but still a little lame.

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                  Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:06 PM

                  View PostWind Dude, on May 10 2008, 04:11 PM, said:

                  Pretty much same.

                  Nintendo relies on nostalgia WAAAY too much. Raise your hand if you knew Kid Icarus was a game before Brawl.


                  I knew about the game before brawl and melee but I had never played it.

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                    Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:39 PM

                    http://cache.kotaku.com/images/2006/04/fake_kid_icarus_art.jpg

                    It's fake of course, but that would be an awesome character design.

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                      Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:39 PM

                      View PostWind Dude, on May 10 2008, 03:28 PM, said:

                      I really wish they'd just make a new first-party franchise. How about a mature RPG or shooter (besides Metroid) franchise to ditch the kiddy look?

                      http://wii.ign.com/o...826/826985.html

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                        Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:42 PM

                        That's not a first-party game.

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                          Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:42 PM

                          View PostSplit Infinity, on May 10 2008, 04:42 PM, said:

                          That's not a first-party game.

                          I know, Second Party.
                          Close enough.

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                            Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:43 PM

                            View PostWind Dude, on May 10 2008, 05:28 PM, said:

                            I really wish they'd just make a new first-party franchise. How about a mature RPG or shooter (besides Metroid) franchise to ditch the kiddy look?

                            I mean, c'mon. Kid Icarus with it's Angel Land and Angel Army or whatever. It's just a little lame. Maybe it'll be fun, but still a little lame.

                            For all intents and purposes, Kid Icarus would be a "new" first-party franchise. It's been over 20 years since its appearance. Most people have never heard of let alone played it, so it would be "new", entirely so.

                            Think of Fire Emblem; it's one of Nintendo's franchises that's been around for nearly two decades, but only in Japan. The first Fire Emblem game to be released to the Western markets was in 2003 for the GBA - it wasn't a new game or franchise in Japan, but it was new for North America/Europe/Australia, etc.

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                              Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:43 PM

                              But still, that's a Wii game? Looks impressive.

                              @Zeypher

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                                Posted 10 May 2008 - 04:47 PM

                                View PostSplit Infinity, on May 10 2008, 04:43 PM, said:

                                But still, that's a Wii game? Looks impressive.

                                @Zeypher

                                I know, it's one of the awesome upcoming Wii games that hardly anybody knows about right now.

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                                For all intents and purposes, Kid Icarus would be a "new" first-party franchise. It's been over 20 years since its appearance. Most people have never heard of let alone played it, so it would be "new", entirely so.

                                Yeah, especially for new gamers.

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                                  Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:05 PM

                                  View PostWind Dude, on May 10 2008, 02:11 PM, said:

                                  Pretty much same.

                                  Nintendo relies on nostalgia WAAAY too much. Raise your hand if you knew Kid Icarus was a game before Brawl.


                                  *raises hand* But only because of a trophy in Melee.

                                  It sounds like it could turn out to be a pretty good game, but that all depends on how it's set up. Personally I think it'd work well as a thrid person adventure kind of game.

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                                    Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:29 PM

                                    View PostToasty, on May 10 2008, 07:05 PM, said:

                                    It sounds like it could turn out to be a pretty good game, but that all depends on how it's set up. Personally I think it'd work well as a thrid person adventure kind of game.

                                    Someone else thought of it too! I've always thought that, if Nintendo really goes for it, Kid Icarus could become its answer to Devil May Cry.

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                                      Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:30 PM

                                      What else would it be apart from a third person adventure game? O_o

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                                        Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:31 PM

                                        View PostSplit Infinity, on May 10 2008, 05:30 PM, said:

                                        What else would it be apart from a third person adventure game? O_o

                                        A 3D/2.5D sidescroller (like SSE), which would totally fail.

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                                          Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:31 PM

                                          I still think they should make a new franchise suited for a new generation of gamers. Shooter and RPG are the two most popular genres at this time in the gaming industry... what's keeping Nintendo back? Action/Adventure games are still good (Mario, Zelda) but I really think it'd be in Nintendo's best interest to expand a bit more.

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                                            Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:32 PM

                                            Pokemon covers the RPG aspect at the moment.

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                                              Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:33 PM

                                              View PostWind Dude, on May 10 2008, 05:31 PM, said:

                                              I still think they should make a new franchise suited for a new generation of gamers. Shooter and RPG are the two most popular genres at this time in the gaming industry... what's keeping Nintendo back? Action/Adventure games are still good (Mario, Zelda) but I really think it'd be in Nintendo's best interest to expand a bit more.

                                              Hmm check this out http://www.goldensun-syndicate.net/forum/i...showtopic=12192

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                                                Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:34 PM

                                                Um...you already posted that one page ago.

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                                                  Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:34 PM

                                                  Do you really believe that? Pokemon was really unique the first few games, but it's old now. Personally, unless the next game is a remake of Gold/Silver (I loved those versions) I'm not buying anymore Pokemon games unless there's a real gameplay overhaul.

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                                                    Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:35 PM

                                                    I was speaking from a Nintendo point of view, but yeah.

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                                                      Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:35 PM

                                                      View PostSplit Infinity, on May 10 2008, 05:34 PM, said:

                                                      Um...you already posted that one page ago.

                                                      :(

                                                      I think they should make Pokemon real time battles. The A, B, X, and Y buttons can be the four different attacks. That would be so sick.

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                                                        Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:36 PM

                                                        Battles would feel repetetive though. You need a lot more than just four attacks in a real-time combat game.

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                                                          Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:38 PM

                                                          View PostZeypher, on May 10 2008, 04:35 PM, said:

                                                          :(

                                                          I think they should make Pokemon real time battles. The A, B, X, and Y buttons can be the four different attacks. That would be so sick.

                                                          That's actually a pretty cool idea... though Split has a point.

                                                          Anyway, to answer to Disaster: Day of Crisis. Well, it's not first-party (though it doesn't need to be, FE isn't first-party nor is Pokemon) and unless it becomes an actual franchise it won't count.

                                                          But my point is, I'd just rather Nintendo make a new shooter or even better, an RPG that's not Pokemon. I think it'd benefit them more.

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                                                            Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:50 PM

                                                            Nintendo took the Metroid series in a more shooter-oriented direction with the 3-D prime series, especially Corruption.

                                                            That said, Wind Dude, Nintendo has resources, what's to say they aren't working on a separate RPG/shooter game? Companies always have many games in development, Kid Icarus (if true) would just be one additional project out of many.

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                                                              Posted 10 May 2008 - 05:53 PM

                                                              View PostGolden Legacy, on May 10 2008, 04:50 PM, said:

                                                              That said, Wind Dude, Nintendo has resources, what's to say they aren't working on a separate RPG/shooter game? Companies always have many games in development, Kid Icarus (if true) would just be one additional project out of many.

                                                              I considered that, but if that were entirely true why are there so few Wii games right now?

                                                              Meh, I'll just hope you're right.

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                                                                Posted 10 May 2008 - 06:01 PM

                                                                View PostWind Dude, on May 10 2008, 07:53 PM, said:

                                                                I considered that, but if that were entirely true why are there so few Wii games right now?

                                                                I forget where I read it, but Nintendo is working on 70+ titles for Wii.

                                                                That said, Nintendo is notorious for keeping projects secret until late in development. Besides, with Wii's insane (and unexpected) success, Nintendo has reason to simply let the sales continue, no need to reveal some of their future big titles all right away. (Although, I agree, it does beg the question - with Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Smash out of the way, Nintendo surely has to be working on some new franchises/IPs, right?)

                                                                Perhaps that's where Kid Icarus will come in.

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                                                                  Posted 10 May 2008 - 06:14 PM

                                                                  View PostZeypher, on May 10 2008, 03:47 PM, said:

                                                                  I know, it's one of the awesome upcoming Wii games that hardly anybody cares about right now.


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                                                                    Posted 10 May 2008 - 06:37 PM

                                                                    This is likely the big game that Nintendo promised us at the end of the year. Still wish it was something else, but it could be a lot worse I guess. Should be fun.

                                                                    Please, PLEASE get a different voice actor for Pit than the one from Brawl.

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                                                                      Posted 10 May 2008 - 07:27 PM

                                                                      View PostWind Dude, on May 10 2008, 06:37 PM, said:

                                                                      Please, PLEASE get a different voice actor for Pit than the one from Brawl.

                                                                      Truer words have never been spoken.

                                                                      And yeah, Nintendo is working their asses off right now for Wii games...or at least they should be. The next Wii Zelda started development a year before TP's release, so we can expect Zelda in 09'...Metroid...uh...idk. Plus theres Star Fox, Pikmin, and Animal Crossing still to be made. And we have Kid Icarus right here.

                                                                      Eneehwai, if Kid Icarus is the big game we were promised, they'll definitely make it to the best of their abilities...so that means no pansy looking Pit :(

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                                                                        Posted 10 May 2008 - 07:37 PM

                                                                        Ooh, I really would like to see a non-sucky Star Fox and a Pikmin 3.

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                                                                          Posted 10 May 2008 - 07:39 PM

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                                                                          Ooh, I really would like to see a non-sucky Star Fox

                                                                          That would be nice. Maybe combine Starship dogfights and adventure...and tack on some awesome Wifi.

                                                                          And what would a Pikmin 3 be like? Shiggy would totally have to pull a good plot out of his *** this time around...

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                                                                            Posted 10 May 2008 - 08:28 PM

                                                                            Watch the language, back to Kid Icarus.

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                                                                              Posted 10 May 2008 - 08:37 PM

                                                                              Well there's really not much to discuss other than speculation and hopes-- oh wait...

                                                                              I guess DMC-style action would be cool, though those games kind of bore me.

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                                                                                Posted 10 May 2008 - 09:30 PM

                                                                                View PostGolden Legacy, on May 10 2008, 08:28 PM, said:

                                                                                Watch the language, back to Kid Icarus.

                                                                                My bad >.>

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                                                                                I guess DMC-style action would be cool, though those games kind of bore me.

                                                                                DMC = Devil May Cry?
                                                                                Yeah, less free-roam around the world and stuff would suck...

                                                                                Maybe it'll be a Castlevania-esque adventure.

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                                                                                  Posted 10 May 2008 - 10:25 PM

                                                                                  I'm fairly sure they will have a different voice actor for pit then who they had for Brawl, the article said it would be an older Pit.

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                                                                                    Posted 10 May 2008 - 10:53 PM

                                                                                    View PostGolden Legacy, on May 11 2008, 12:28 PM, said:

                                                                                    Watch the language, back to Kid Icarus.

                                                                                    Ass is not a swear word. :(

                                                                                    Of course it isn't.

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                                                                                      Posted 10 May 2008 - 10:55 PM

                                                                                      To GL it is, @$$. lolz

                                                                                      Anyway, not interested in this game.

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                                                                                        Posted 11 May 2008 - 12:47 AM

                                                                                        So Nintendo are choosing to stick to an old series rather than make something new again?
                                                                                        I know that it would be a new game to most, but even so it still suggests they're unwilling to take a risk on something new.

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                                                                                          Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:21 AM

                                                                                          View PostMe111, on May 11 2008, 02:47 AM, said:

                                                                                          I know that it would be a new game to most, but even so it still suggests they're unwilling to take a risk on something new.

                                                                                          http://www.goldensun-syndicate.net/forum/i...showtopic=12192 (thank you, Zeypher).

                                                                                          Not to mention, this is the company that decided to bring a two-screened/touch-screen handheld to compete against the technologically superior PSP, that decided to forgo graphics in favor of a new control scheme for their new console - Nintendo is "unwilling to take a risk on something new"?

                                                                                          And I don't understand where people are coming from that they're upset that Nintendo is possibly working on a Kid Icarus game. It's just one out of many (again as last reported, over 70 future Wii titles are being developed by Nintendo alone). They're a game company, and so they are constantly putting resources into developing game concepts and ideas, whether already existing or new.

                                                                                          As mentioned, Kid Icarus is for all purposes new. It's going to go from a 2-D side-scroller on the NES to a full-fledged 3-D action/adventure oriented game (presumably), after a 20 year hiatus. That's already taking enough of a "risk". There have been plenty of other "risks" that have happened before - such as Fire Emblem (bringing it from Japan to the Western markets), Pikmin, and yes even Super Smash Bros. was a huge risk for Nintendo - Smash was never supposed or expected to be a mega-hit, it was just meant to be a quirky little "side game", and we all know how huge it became.

                                                                                          And now Nintendo has decided to take a shot with Kid Icarus. Who knows how it will end up?

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                                                                                            Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:25 AM

                                                                                            View PostGolden Legacy, on May 11 2008, 12:21 AM, said:


                                                                                            nawt first partay, your arguement is voyd

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                                                                                              Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:27 AM

                                                                                              It's second-party, which means Nintendo is putting resources behind the game and having it published. That means investing money, effort, time, and even lending its own talent. So it does count.

                                                                                              And for goodness sake, don't be a complete @#$%tard and ignore the rest of my post. Either read it like any decent person responding would, or don't post at all.

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                                                                                                Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:31 AM

                                                                                                Risk isn't always a good thing.

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                                                                                                  Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:31 AM

                                                                                                  View PostGolden Legacy, on May 11 2008, 08:21 AM, said:

                                                                                                  http://www.goldensun-syndicate.net/forum/i...showtopic=12192 (thank you, Zeypher).

                                                                                                  Not to mention, this is the company that decided to bring a two-screened/touch-screen handheld to compete against the technologically superior PSP, that decided to forgo graphics in favor of a new control scheme for their new console - Nintendo is "unwilling to take a risk on something new"?

                                                                                                  I meant in terms of games. I realise that when it comes to console design, Nintendo are pretty new and original. But if you look at the games they produce, they're mainly new games for old series. Now I'll admit that these games are generally good, and Nintendo could probably get Kid Icarus to work as well, but I'd just like them to pull something new out of the bag.
                                                                                                  EDIT: Is there anything official with this '70+' games in development GL?

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                                                                                                    Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:37 AM

                                                                                                    View PostMe111, on May 11 2008, 03:31 AM, said:

                                                                                                    EDIT: Is there anything official with this '70+' games in development GL?

                                                                                                    As a matter of fact, yes. It was an official statement from Satoru Iwata (Nintendo's president) himself. I'll try and find a link, it was relatively recent.

                                                                                                    EDIT: All right, so that figure was apparently referencing DS titles. Wii titles number 45 being worked on in-house, the statement was given last year. This is the best link I can find so far.
                                                                                                    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=con...id=aXvRwZ3iOQw4

                                                                                                    EDIT2: I realize the source is outdated. I actually thought I had read about it more recently, I'll keep searching because I know a similar statement was given more recent than that. But yes, even if that's the case, 45 Wii titles and we've seen the few major first-party titles published since (Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Mario Kart Wii, Super Smash Bros. Brawl), that still leaves a very solid number of games Nintendo is working on for Wii, by itself. Which was the whole point of this. Bah.

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                                                                                                      Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:48 AM

                                                                                                      Anyway, I said I am not interested in this game yes, but that doesn't mean I will not play it. I can't have interest for something I've never played or seen. Who the hell is Pitt anyway? Yeah, he's in SSB, but that's all I know lolz. Maybe I should download an emulator to play Kid Icarus.

                                                                                                      And lol @ PDM and GL. Funny.

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                                                                                                        Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:51 AM

                                                                                                        I want a Kid Icarus game. When it comes out, I'll buy it. And there are other games coming to the Wii by year's end that I want, even if they are third party and mostly simulators, if that's what HM would be considered. But there are also some civ builders coming out, like King Story and FF Crystal Crhonicals My life as King. All three titles look good and with luck, will be avaiable in the US before X-mas.

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                                                                                                          Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:52 AM

                                                                                                          I never said a new Kid Icarus would be BAD, I just wish it were something else. Me111's right, it seems a little strange that Nintendo seems personally incapable of making any new franchises.

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                                                                                                            Posted 11 May 2008 - 03:10 AM

                                                                                                            If it was up to me, Nintendo would make a new version of Balloon Fight.

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                                                                                                              Posted 11 May 2008 - 04:06 AM

                                                                                                              In response to a few pages ago, pokemon isn't even a true RPG. It's an adventure/RPG of sorts, and it alone is not nearly enough to make up for the lack of RPG's Nintendo has. They need FPS's and RPG's. Something new and origional on both fronts would be nice. Though I wouldn't mind seeing a remake of Pokemon Crystal.

                                                                                                              That said, the new Kid Icarus game would be most easily done in a 3D adventure style. FPS wouldn't work, and I don't know if there are any supporting characters in this new game or not, but regardless, this doesn't seem like an RPG kind of game. Almost, but it just deosn't seem like it would work well as an RPG.

                                                                                                              Now gimme FF13 for the Wii, dangit! :P

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                                                                                                                Posted 11 May 2008 - 04:43 AM

                                                                                                                In what way is Pokemon not an RPG? What, just because it isn't exactly like every other Final Fantasy clone?

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                                                                                                                  Posted 11 May 2008 - 08:34 AM

                                                                                                                  View PostMe111, on May 11 2008, 11:10 AM, said:

                                                                                                                  If it was up to me, Nintendo would make a new version of Balloon Fight.


                                                                                                                  Mach Rider, damnit! If they're going to revive an old franchise, it really should be Mach Rider. It has a more "mature" feel to it, could have extremely original gameplay and simply overflows with potential.

                                                                                                                  Anyhow, the 70+ Nintendo Wii games is nothing but a lie. Come on, Nintendo lies ALL the time! What they're making atm are WiiMusic, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing(which will btw probably be the 'big title' of this year that Ninty mentioned), Pikmin, Mario Sluggers(or whatever the name is...), Disaster and the new Zelda. There might be one or two other smaller titles(like Project H.A.M.M.E.R. which may be in development again) but that's about it.

                                                                                                                  But you know why Nintendo doesn't want to make a new franchise, especially if it has a more serious feel to it? Because Eternal Darkness and Geist were new games that had pathetic sales.

                                                                                                                  And I think Kid Icarus should be a third person shooter with many stealth aspects. And add some PilotWings gameplay to it.

                                                                                                                  PS. If Nintendo doesn't make F-Zero for Wii I'll be very cross.

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                                                                                                                    Posted 11 May 2008 - 10:40 AM

                                                                                                                    View PostAquamarine, on May 11 2008, 10:34 AM, said:

                                                                                                                    Anyhow, the 70+ Nintendo Wii games is nothing but a lie. Come on, Nintendo lies ALL the time! What they're making atm are WiiMusic, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing(which will btw probably be the 'big title' of this year that Ninty mentioned), Pikmin, Mario Sluggers(or whatever the name is...), Disaster and the new Zelda. There might be one or two other smaller titles(like Project H.A.M.M.E.R. which may be in development again) but that's about it.

                                                                                                                    The actual figure is 45, not 70, but why are you doubtful? In fact, if anything, development on 45 titles is too little I feel. You have to remember that being in "development" can mean all sorts of things. It can mean actually producing the game and making playable demos out of it. It can mean coding and creating the level design. Or it can even be just brainstorming ideas and trying out new concepts.

                                                                                                                    All different levels of development. That's how all game companies work. If Nintendo/other companies were only focusing on the few games we've already seen released, their business would fail.

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                                                                                                                    But you know why Nintendo doesn't want to make a new franchise, especially if it has a more serious feel to it? Because Eternal Darkness and Geist were new games that had pathetic sales.

                                                                                                                    That much is quite true. However, No More Heroes sold reasonably well, as did Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles. There is a bigger market for mature games on Wii than there was for GameCube - not huge, but it's definitely there and these titles have shown its possible.

                                                                                                                    That is why Nintendo itself is making Disaster: Day of Crisis.

                                                                                                                    And that is also why the rumoured concept art for Kid Icarus (see first page) seems to depict a much more mature, older Pit.

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                                                                                                                    If Nintendo doesn't make F-Zero for Wii I'll be very cross.

                                                                                                                    It's coming. Miyamoto himself has stated he's interested in creating the game, and that was quite a while ago. I'll bet it's one of those many games "in development", and whether that means it's playable right now or they're just toying around with it, it's coming.

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                                                                                                                      Posted 11 May 2008 - 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                      People speculate a new F-Zero. Nintendo keeps putting Captain Falcon and F-Zero stages in the SSB games, and they even put a vehicle in Mario Kart Wii. Why so many F-Zero cameos if you're not going to make a game?

                                                                                                                      GL, article please on where Miyamoto said that.

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                                                                                                                        Posted 11 May 2008 - 12:10 PM

                                                                                                                        I'll look for it. Miyamoto made an additional comment that he felt that F-Zero might not work well with the Wii remote/motion-sensing controls, that it would be better served with a more traditional controller.

                                                                                                                        This was a while ago, but yes as you said, Nintendo has clearly not forgotten the franchise with its different cameos (Mario Kart Wii spoiler:
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                                                                                                                        I found the IGN article that first revealed that Factor 5 and Nintendo were working together on a project for Wii.

                                                                                                                        http://uk.wii.ign.co...5/845353p1.html

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                                                                                                                          Posted 11 May 2008 - 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                          View PostGolden Legacy, on May 11 2008, 06:40 PM, said:

                                                                                                                          The actual figure is 45, not 70, but why are you doubtful? In fact, if anything, development on 45 titles is too little I feel. You have to remember that being in "development" can mean all sorts of things. It can mean actually producing the game and making playable demos out of it. It can mean coding and creating the level design. Or it can even be just brainstorming ideas and trying out new concepts.

                                                                                                                          All different levels of development. That's how all game companies work. If Nintendo/other companies were only focusing on the few games we've already seen released, their business would fail.

                                                                                                                          That much is quite true. However, No More Heroes sold reasonably well, as did Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles. There is a bigger market for mature games on Wii than there was for GameCube - not huge, but it's definitely there and these titles have shown its possible.

                                                                                                                          That is why Nintendo itself is making Disaster: Day of Crisis.

                                                                                                                          And that is also why the rumoured concept art for Kid Icarus (see first page) seems to depict a much more mature, older Pit.

                                                                                                                          It's coming. Miyamoto himself has stated he's interested in creating the game, and that was quite a while ago. I'll bet it's one of those many games "in development", and whether that means it's playable right now or they're just toying around with it, it's coming.


                                                                                                                          Well 45 games is definitely more plausible than 70, but I think that's also too much. Still, you could be right.

                                                                                                                          No more Heroes and Umbrella Chronicles weren't 2nd party like Eternal Darkness and Geist. I doubt Nintendo themselves would risk making something as serious as those two. Disaster might be realistic, but I don't think it'll have the horror qualities of those two GC games.

                                                                                                                          As for your F-Zero statement, I know it's not confirmation but I felt a surge of joy when you said that. PLEASE bring one of my all time favourite franchises to the Wii!

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                                                                                                                          I'll look for it. Miyamoto made an additional comment that he felt that F-Zero might not work well with the Wii remote/motion-sensing controls, that it would be better served with a more traditional controller.


                                                                                                                          Ah yes, I remember this, but I don't think I read where Miyamoto actually said he wants to make it. However, I hope it's not Nintendo that creates the game... Give it to Amusement Vision again, they did a wonderful job with GX!

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                                                                                                                            Posted 12 May 2008 - 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                            The original Kid Icarus was harder than a paedophiles nether regions during an episode of Lazytown, which inevitably means a new game will either keep that standard of difficulty or be so easy that 3 year old armless lepers could complete it. probably the latter.

                                                                                                                            i cant say a care about this, if it is made, its just more evidence Nintendo cares far too much about its past and not enough about its future.

                                                                                                                            We all know the only reason Pit is in SSBB is because of the sexual favours his creator granted mr. Sakurai

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                                                                                                                              Posted 12 May 2008 - 02:08 PM

                                                                                                                              That's a good point Laharl (the difficulty not any sexual favours I mean). Mario Kart showed how Nintendo were willing to make their games easier try for a greater appeal. I expect they'd do the same for this.

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                                                                                                                                Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:34 PM

                                                                                                                                View PostAquamarine, on May 11 2008, 11:16 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                No more Heroes and Umbrella Chronicles weren't 2nd party like Eternal Darkness and Geist. I doubt Nintendo themselves would risk making something as serious as those two. Disaster might be realistic, but I don't think it'll have the horror qualities of those two GC games.


                                                                                                                                You can have a serious game without it being in the horror genre. I don't know many people who would be crazy about buying a horror game. Scarry/creepy, sure, but not horror. That's probably why Eternal Darkness didn't sell well.

                                                                                                                                I'd like to see a more mature Kid Icarus game. If they use the Pit from Brawl and make it all happy-go-lucky, I'm going to throw up my stomach and excrete my intestines out my ***.

                                                                                                                                Alright, maybe not that drastic, but I'll be dissapointed.

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                                                                                                                                  Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:44 PM

                                                                                                                                  View PostLaharl, on May 12 2008, 03:52 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                  The original Kid Icarus was harder than a paedophiles nether regions during an episode of Lazytown

                                                                                                                                  I had to read through that through five times before I finally got it.

                                                                                                                                  I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic about a new Kid Icarus game. Optimistic that if done right, it could add a much needed new face to Nintendo's franchises (going for the mature/action-adventure route), cautious that it could just become a continuation of Pit's young image from Brawl.

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                                                                                                                                    Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:49 PM

                                                                                                                                    they dont call it Kid Icarus for ****s'n'giggles >_>;

                                                                                                                                    'Teenage Icarus' or 'Juvenille Icarus' doesnt sound very good at all now does it?

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                                                                                                                                      Posted 12 May 2008 - 05:56 PM

                                                                                                                                      It's just the franchise name, and there's no reason why Nintendo couldn't remove the 'Kid' or change it around.

                                                                                                                                      ..... ok, I concede. I got grilled. like a steak. with bbq sauce.

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                                                                                                                                        Posted 12 May 2008 - 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                        Lol innuendos.

                                                                                                                                        Anyway, just because the name is "Kid Icarus" doesn't mean they HAVE to make Pit a kid. It's just the name of a franchise.

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                                                                                                                                          Posted 12 May 2008 - 06:49 PM

                                                                                                                                          perhaps, but you kinda expect it to be about a kid, its like suddenly finding out that the Mario bros are actually cousins

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                                                                                                                                            Posted 12 May 2008 - 07:47 PM

                                                                                                                                            View PostLaharl, on May 12 2008, 02:52 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                            The original Kid Icarus was harder than a paedophiles nether regions during an episode of Lazytown


                                                                                                                                            Indeed it is.
                                                                                                                                            I got very frustrated with the game many times before I just completely gave up.

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                                                                                                                                              Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:52 PM

                                                                                                                                              I'm with Laharl on this, I'm having hard time picturing this game being mature (not ESRB mature, but mature in general). Dark maybe in a Twilight Princess way, which isn't very.

                                                                                                                                              Maybe the reason Kid Icarus was hard because of crappy retro controls and graphics that made it hard to know when you were going to hit something? I've only played the Trial in Brawl, mind.

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                                                                                                                                                Posted 13 May 2008 - 12:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                View PostGolden Legacy, on May 12 2008, 07:44 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                I had to read through that through five times before I finally got it.

                                                                                                                                                I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic about a new Kid Icarus game. Optimistic that if done right, it could add a much needed new face to Nintendo's franchises (going for the mature/action-adventure route), cautious that it could just become a continuation of Pit's young image from Brawl.



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                                                                                                                                                  ADULT ICARUS COMING EXCLUSIVELY TO WII!!


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