[Someone Else]

I split these posts into its own topic, since it seemed worthy of discussion and generated a lot of interest. I apologize if it's a bit confusing to catch on at first, but it definitely seemed like a worthwhile topic, so please continue and enjoy. - GL


No, I've played some E games that are more hardcore than some M games.

I'll give you that Twilight Princess could almost be called hardcore. Almost.

I guess you could read this. It might tell you, though I'm too lazy to read it myself, the title looks promising. http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/6830...core_Games.html

[Zeypher]

So, you don't even know what makes a game "hardcore" or "casual"?

[Someone Else]

Well, it's hard to label in an extreme generality of what's "hardcore" to what's casual. And I could come off extremely opinionated, and I don't know how to tell it to a Ninty fanboy, no offense.

So first, I'll say that Oblivion was marketed moreso to be "casual" than any ES game before it. It was made to the stupid mainstream market that plagues console gaming.

Morrowind is much more hardcore with it's huge amount of skills, resting for an hour does not heal you all the way, casting spells wasn't as simple as pressing "C" on your keyboard.

If you don't get that, then I'll put it this way. What's the difference between Carnival Games and Call of Duty 4?

[Eugine]

Wind Dude, on Jun 7 2008, 12:49 AM, said:

And I could come off extremely opinionated, and I don't know how to tell it to a Ninty fanboy, no offense.

lmao.

I thought hardcore = hard, and made for extreme gamers while casual = simple and made for a wide audience.

[Someone Else]

Eugine, on Jun 6 2008, 09:51 PM, said:

I thought hardcore = hard, and made for extreme gamers while casual = simple and made for a wide audience.

I guess in very simple terms that would be it.

You could say a hardcore game appeals to a very specific audience of dedicated gamers whereas a casual game can appeal to anyone, but too much pisses off the hardcore audience mentioned before. And that's sort of what's happening to the Wii.

[Zeypher]

Sigh...you don't understand the misconception of "casual" and "hardcore".

It's all a personal preference, my young padawan.

Being "casual" is playing a game every now and then, for short amounts of time. I'm a "casual" PC gamer. I play HL2 every now and then, for about 30 minutes at a time.

Being "hardcore" is playing a game a lot, for long periods of time. I play Zelda probably too much more than I should, so you could call me a "hardcore" Zelda gamer.

"Casual" and "hardcore" also have nothing at all to do with the difficulty of the game, a that's a personal preference as well. For example, most gamers find Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link to be a very difficult game, but I find it to be pretty easy.

Now, with your example of Carnival Games and Call of Duty 4, it's not "casual" VS "hardcore". It's how deep, or big, the game is. Carnival Games is a very simple game from the looks of it, and Call of Duty 4 is a deeper game, meaning theres more to it. That doesn't mean Carnival Games is "casual" and Call of Duty 4 is "hardcore". I play Call of Duty 4 every now and then when I'm at my friend's house who has a 360. I consider myself a "casual" Call of Duty 4 gamer. Somebody might be a "hardcore" Carnival Games gamer (although I doubt that; the game is terrible xd). Hell, I've gotten into some Wii Sports Baseball games, when I'm down by a few runs in the last inning.

[Split Infinity]

Actually, WD and Eugine were right.

If somebody enjoys a casual game and winds up playing it for hours on end, that doesn't make it any less of a casual game.

[Split Infinity]

And you're just like Zeypher when he blindly defends Nintendo; oh, that's right...

A hardcore game has a wide range of difficulties in the tasks involved, provides a deep and engaging style of gameplay and appeals the most to people who are willing to dedicate themself to it for huge amounts of time. A casual game is just something you can pick up and play whenever you want, with none or few goals to work towards. Those are the two extremes; most games fall somewhere in between.

[Zeypher]

So you're not able to play "hardcore" games whenever you want?

lmao...you're really that naive to believe that a personal preference is a fact?

[Someone Else]

Zeypher, on Jun 6 2008, 10:58 PM, said:

So you're not able to play "hardcore" games whenever you want?

That's right. You certainly can't just pick up and play Morrowind whenever you want; you have to put time aside for it to accomplish anything.

Sounds to me like you haven't played enough games Zephy.

[Zeypher]

Wind Dude, on Jun 7 2008, 12:10 AM, said:

That's right. You certainly can't just pick up and play Morrowind whenever you want; you have to put time aside for it to accomplish anything.

Sounds to me like you haven't played enough games Zephy.

Because I don't throw a party every time I play a game?

[Split Infinity]

What on earth does that have to do with anything?

[Zeypher]

@Split-

Split Infinity, on Jun 6 2008, 11:50 PM, said:

A hardcore game has a wide range of difficulties in the tasks involved, provides a deep and engaging style of gameplay and appeals the most to people who are willing to dedicate themself to it for huge amounts of time. A casual game is just something you can pick up and play whenever you want, with none or few goals to work towards. Those are the two extremes; most games fall somewhere in between.

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That's right. You certainly can't just pick up and play Morrowind whenever you want; you have to put time aside for it to accomplish anything.

IMO, you guys are too influenced by modern gaming.

[Split Infinity]

Again, what does that have to do with anything?

[Zeypher]

You said "hardcore" games are games you can only play every once in a while, whereas "casual" games are games you can play at any time. Are you too dumb to know the meaning of your own words?

[TheEnglishman]

To me hardcore = hard, softcore = easy.

[Zeypher]

Me111, on Jun 7 2008, 12:26 AM, said:

To me hardcore = hard, softcore = easy.

Whether a game is hard or easy is decided soley by the gamer.

[Split Infinity]

Zeypher, on Jun 7 2008, 04:26 PM, said:

You said "hardcore" games are games you can only play every once in a while, whereas "casual" games are games you can play at any time. Are you too dumb to know the meaning of your own words?

And this makes us overinfluenced by modern gaming, how?

[Zeypher]

Split Infinity, on Jun 7 2008, 12:28 AM, said:

And this makes us overinfluenced by modern gaming, how?

Because we live in an age where shooting things and **** like that in video games is cool. Why don't you go buy yourself an SNES or Megadrive.

[Split Infinity]

Zeypher, stop pulling words out of your ass and start making some proper arguments. Not all hardcore games involve shooting things, regardless of what you think.

[Zeypher]

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A hardcore game has a wide range of difficulties in the tasks involved, provides a deep and engaging style of gameplay and appeals the most to people who are willing to dedicate themself to it for huge amounts of time. A casual game is just something you can pick up and play whenever you want, with none or few goals to work towards. Those are the two extremes; most games fall somewhere in between.

[Golden Legacy]

I am more in line with what Zeypher is saying. The difficulty of a game is dependent on the gamer, both for his personal tastes and just his overall "skill" with that particular game.

For me, the difference between hardcore and casual games is immersion. Hardcore games for me are epics that place the player in the game itself, sucks you in, and - most importantly - removes the interface/input for the gamer. That is, you begin to "play" within the game itself, not on the surface inputting buttons to proceed in it.

Casual games are just the opposite - they rely on the awareness of the person actively using the control scheme to control what's on the screen, not actually removing that "in-between" and allowing full immersion.

[Split Infinity]

Finally, some common sense.

And Zeypher, the fact that a game is easy to pick up is completely unreliant on the genre. I know a good few flash games which involve guns; would you call them hardcore? I doubt it.

[Someone Else]

Zeypher, on Jun 6 2008, 11:29 PM, said:

Because we live in an age where shooting things and **** like that in video games is cool. Why don't you go buy yourself an SNES or Megadrive.

I reiterate. You haven't played enough games.

[Split Infinity]

Zeypher, on Jun 7 2008, 04:42 PM, said:

Split did you read my damn post I made a page ago? It basically says what I said, only with different wording. I think you're just trying to start a fight with me, and it's really starting to get ****ing annoying.

Really? I feel the exact same way towards you.

[Zeypher]

Wind Dude, on Jun 7 2008, 12:43 AM, said:

I reiterate. You haven't played enough games.

I've been playing games since ALttP game out on the SNES.

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Really? I feel the exact same way towards you.

lmao. Of course I'm going to be defensive. I get a ton of **** on this forum, and most of it comes from people who can't comprehend the meaning of things.

[Split Infinity]

What he means is, you have sheltered tastes.

[Someone Else]

Maybe I should've reworded that. You need to play a wider variety of games, otherwise you wouldn't be aligning with what I'm saying is "hardcore" as SHOOTAN (as you say it) games.

Frankly I'm not even that crazy about shooters. I'm getting sort of bored of them, actually.

[Zeypher]

No, most of the gaming community refers to "hardcore" games as shooting games.

And as for my tastes as a gamer, games that make me think are the type I tend to like more, and exploring open worlds. That's probably why I like Zelda and Metroid a lot...

And just for the record, I own an NES, SNES, N64, GCN, Wii, DS, PS1, PS2, used to have a PSP, and a 360. The NES, SNES, and 360 don't count I suppose, since they're all broken.

[Split Infinity]

Moving my post over from the other topic...

Name a couple of games that you own which you would describe as hardcore, then.

[Someone Else]

Zeypher, on Jun 6 2008, 11:49 PM, said:

No, most of the gaming community refers to "hardcore" games as shooting games.

Again you are sheltered.

[Zeypher]

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Again you are sheltered. Well, whatever.

In that article, it showed Gears as a "hardcore" game, iirc. And just incase you haven't noticed, a lot of teens refer to FPS/TPS as "hardcore". At least all the ones I know do >.>

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Name a couple of games that you own which you would describe as hardcore, then.

Any Zelda, really, except for PH, didn't enjoy it too much xd
Super Metroid
All the Metroid Prime games
Shining Force
Brawl
No More Heroes
Red Steel
Any Final Fantasy

That's what I got off the top of my head...

And some games I consider to be "casual" would be Defend Your Castle...although I have a friend on another forum that totally gets into that game, so it's more "hardcore" for him.

[Golden Legacy]

Split Infinity, on Jun 7 2008, 02:56 AM, said:

Name a couple of games that you own which you would describe as hardcore, then.

I think we have to be careful here and not mix up "hardcore" with "difficult".

For example, for me, I'd say Super Mario Galaxy is a hardcore game. Hands down. However, it happens to be an incredibly easy hardcore game - so much that it's accessible enough for casual gamers - but it still has the qualities of a hardcore title, that is full immersion. It wasn't designed from the ground-up as a purely casual title.

[Split Infinity]

Now Zeypher, pretty much all of those games are Nintendo/Fantasy games. I don't see any shooters or stuff like that in there.

GL, I wouldn't call SMG a casual game, but I'd say it's a fair bit more leaned towards it than your average hardcore title.

[Someone Else]

The problem here is that the term relies too much on opinion. I don't consider Galaxy to be immersive or very hard. >.>

[Zeypher]

Split Infinity, on Jun 7 2008, 01:01 AM, said:

Now Zeypher, pretty much all of those games are Nintendo/Fantasy games. I don't see any shooters or stuff like that in there.

I said that's what I thunk of off the top of my head, mate.

And Red Steel is a shooter.

[Split Infinity]

However, it was also a terrible game. >.>

[Someone Else]

Hey Zeyph, post your post that you posted in the Wii topic, I want to respond to it.

[Zeypher]

I actually enjoyed Red Steel, tyvm -_-

@WD- wat

[Split Infinity]

Maybe so, but the majority of hardcore gamers would disagree with you.

God I'm so sick of using that word now...

[Golden Legacy]

Split Infinity, on Jun 7 2008, 03:01 AM, said:

GL, I wouldn't call SMG a casual game, but I'd say it's a fair bit more leaned towards it than your average hardcore title.

Fair enough, SMG is certainly a bit of a tough example to justify as a hardcore title, I'll admit. But I'm curious, what made you not outright call it a "casual game"? What vestiges of a hardcore title did it have still?

Wind Dude, on Jun 7 2008, 03:02 AM, said:

The problem here is that the term relies too much on opinion. I don't consider Galaxy to be immersive or very hard. >.>

Also fair enough. Immersion for me is a big part of what separates hardcore and casual games, and if a game can get me to fully immerse in it and "remove" the control scheme from me, then I consider it hardcore.

[Someone Else]

Zeypher, on Jun 7 2008, 12:04 AM, said:

@WD- wat

You deleted it in the Wii topic and I don't remember exactly what you said anymore.

[Zeypher]

Wind Dude, on Jun 7 2008, 01:07 AM, said:

You deleted it in the Wii topic and I don't remember exactly what you said anymore.

It's probably in this topic, since GL moved everything.

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Also fair enough. Immersion for me is a big part of what separates hardcore and casual games, and if a game can get me to fully immerse in it and "remove" the control scheme from me, then I consider it hardcore.

Immersion = fun, no?

[Split Infinity]

Golden Legacy, on Jun 7 2008, 05:07 PM, said:

Fair enough, SMG is certainly a bit of a tough example to justify as a hardcore title, I'll admit. But I'm curious, what made you not outright call it a "casual game"? What vestiges of a hardcore title did it have still?

Because the game involves a considerable amount of progression, instead of staying the same every time you play. That's one of the key difference between the two styles.

Actually now that I think about it, that's a terrible description.

[Someone Else]

Actually there's a lot of easy games out that I thought were immersive. The Black and White games had a lot of immersion, nice graphics with an unintrusive interphase, and the creature helped make you feel "connected" to the world. B&W2 at least was easy, and I don't consider either one hardcore, per se.

I guess I find the difficulty factor to play a large role in hardcore vs. casual, more than the immersion.

As it stands, the word itself "hardcore" implies a very specific and elite audience. Does one have to be hardcore to play an immersive game?

[Zeypher]

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As it stands, the word itself "hardcore" implies a very specific and elite audience. Does one have to be hardcore to play an immersive game?

My dad plays HL, and that's immersive IMO, but that's all he plays, so no.

[Split Infinity]

Hm...this topic really presents an open question, doesn't it?

[Laharl]

http://videlais.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/peggle_tips_and_tricks_col5_1gif3.jpg

that's what casual games are.

[Caael]

Zeypher, on Jun 7 2008, 06:05 AM, said:

Sigh...you don't understand the misconception of "casual" and "hardcore".

It's all a personal preference, my young padawan.

Being "casual" is playing a game every now and then, for short amounts of time. I'm a "casual" PC gamer. I play HL2 every now and then, for about 30 minutes at a time.

Being "hardcore" is playing a game a lot, for long periods of time. I play Zelda probably too much more than I should, so you could call me a "hardcore" Zelda gamer.

"Casual" and "hardcore" also have nothing at all to do with the difficulty of the game, a that's a personal preference as well. For example, most gamers find Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link to be a very difficult game, but I find it to be pretty easy.

Now, with your example of Carnival Games and Call of Duty 4, it's not "casual" VS "hardcore". It's how deep, or big, the game is. Carnival Games is a very simple game from the looks of it, and Call of Duty 4 is a deeper game, meaning theres more to it. That doesn't mean Carnival Games is "casual" and Call of Duty 4 is "hardcore". I play Call of Duty 4 every now and then when I'm at my friend's house who has a 360. I consider myself a "casual" Call of Duty 4 gamer. Somebody might be a "hardcore" Carnival Games gamer (although I doubt that; the game is terrible xd). Hell, I've gotten into some Wii Sports Baseball games, when I'm down by a few runs in the last inning.

No, you're wrong.

I dont play gears of war very much, does that mean it's a casual game?

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In that article, it showed Gears as a "hardcore" game, iirc. And just incase you haven't noticed, a lot of teens refer to FPS/TPS as "hardcore". At least all the ones I know do >.>

Gears isnt hardcore because it's an FPS, Gears is hardcore because of the rock hard difficulty. Thats not to say thats the only thing the makes a game hardcore, but it helps.

A game being hardcore or not is not dependant upon the genre, it's generally a game that requires an above average skill level, for example Ninja Gaiden is an extremely hardcore game, Gears of War is a hardcore game.

There's hardcore gamers, and hardcore games. There's a massive difference.

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I get a ton of **** on this forum, and most of it comes from people who can't comprehend the meaning of things.

Actually, it comes from people who arent biased to the point that they cut themselves when they lose an arguement over their precious company.

[My Best Wishes]

Zeypher, on Jun 7 2008, 03:58 PM, said:

So you're not able to play "hardcore" games whenever you want?

lmao...you're really that naive to believe that a personal preference is a fact?

I agree with WD. Games like Fire Emblem-Raidant Dawn I would set aside time for, because I knew due to it's RPG nature where one turn can screw up a whole map, and its difficulty I wouldn't be able to play for 5 minutes and stop.
Whereas Super Mario Bros. I can play for 5 minutes to kill time and stop whenever, because it's a easy, mass appealing game.

Oh and Zeypher, you're a rather rude person in arguments. You don't acknowledge other people's opinions, and tirelessly defend your shoddy, untrue arguments.
Stop trying to prove other people's thoughts wrong with your own thoughts.

[Caael]

Zeypher seems to think that playing a game a lot makes it hardcore.

So if you play Nintendogs for hours on end, your the leetest guy ever?

[Laharl]

will you all stop saying hardcore every other word, this isnt a board for metalfags

in regards to the term 'Casual'

"wiki" said:

The term casual game is used to refer to any computer game targeted at a mass audience of casual gamers. Casual games can have any type of gameplay, and fit in any genre. They are typically distinguished by their simple rules, in contrast to more complex hardcore games.[1] They require no long-term time commitment or special skills to play, and there are comparatively low production and distribution costs for the producer.[2] Casual games typically are played on a personal computer online in web browsers, although they now are starting to become popular on game consoles, too. Casual gaming demographics also vary greatly from those of traditional computer games, as the typical casual gamer is older [3] and more predominantly female,[4] with over 74% of those purchasing casual games being women.[5]

and regards to the term 'hardcore'

if you use it for anything other than lulz, skin yourself and jump into a vat of aftershave because you're officially retarded

[Toasty]

Basically, LoZ:TP could be classified as a 'Hardcore' game, even though it's not extremely difficult, because you have to set time aside to get things done in it (unless you're skilled -_-). On the other hand, SMG is a casual game because you don't really have to know any special skills (well, wall jumping, long jumping, and running backflips can be hard for some people to pull off), and it doesn't usually take long to complete a level.

[Caael]

So a hardcore game requires time to get things done? That means pretty much everything for anything ever created is hardcore. Dont be a stupid ****.

[Toasty]

Don't be a smartass, smartass. I meant that it takes considerably more time than a casual game does. A casual game might take a few minutes to complete (or to complete something in it), whereas a hardcore game night take a good 15 minutes or more.

[Caael]

Not true in any way. A lot of the time in casual games like mario, it requires a lot of time to do something, like going through a set of puzzles to get to a switch to open a door. And a lot of times in hardcore games like gears, the goal is simple and doesnt require much time at all; kill the enemies guarding X or protect X as he does X

[Toasty]

Alright, in general, a casual game usually takes less time to complete than a 'hardcore' game. Happy? Now quit picking at everything I say.

[Caael]

Still not true though. Gears takes about 8 hours maximum to complete, and Mario Galaxy takes a lot more.

Stop making up crap.

[Golden Legacy]

Hmm. I think I would replace "time" with "effort". A hardcore title is far more involved and requires a lot more of the player, whether it's solving a puzzle or manipulating the action on screen. A casual title doesn't require as much effort per "play", if that makes any sense.

If we go back to what Toasty's saying about time - if you played a hardcore game and a casual game for the exact same amount of time, you will find that you have "accomplished" more in the former, and not as much in the latter - or moreso, you will find that you had a far greater capacity and options to do in the hardcore game than in the casual, in the same amount of time.

[Caael]

You're using 'hardcore' and 'casual' as a separate genre here, when it's not the genre of the game that defines it or not, but the game itself. Using the terms to describe such a broad range of games isn't really fair because it differs so much from one game to the next.

[Golden Legacy]

Not at all. I use "hardcore" and "casual" to describe the individual games. They could be of the exact same genre in fact, its the gameplay that differs depending on how involved it is, compared to the other.

If that simplifies it.

[Caael]

You cant really compare the two though. Say you're comparing Gears of War to Forza 2, the only way they are similar in any way is that they both require a lot of skill and are considered by the general gaming demographic to be hardcore. The similarities end there.

From what i've gathered, everybody in this topic so far is using hardcore as a much too general term though.

[Toasty]

Caael, on Jun 7 2008, 05:51 PM, said:

Still not true though. Gears takes about 8 hours maximum to complete, and Mario Galaxy takes a lot more.

Stop making up crap.

I'm not making up crap, numbnuts. Notice how I used "In general" and "Usually". How long do you think it takes to complete a single level in SMG? About 10 minutes on average, I'd guess. I've spent ore than that on a number of levels in Gears with a friend. The reason why SMG takes longer is that it has more levels.

How long does it take to complete a session of brain age? No where near as long as it does to complete a level in Fire Emblem, or Advanced Wars. Those two titles probably don't fit the 'hardcore' image, but they're not casual games in any sense (except maybe the first few levels).

[Split Infinity]

To be honest, I really don't think you can set parameters for what is a casual and a hardcore game, because like Caael said, it differs so much between games that something might fall into the catagory of casual and still be popular among hardcore gamers. Then you have games which fall in between, and that's even before you get opinion involved. Some people might consider a game hardcore, while others might eat it for breakfast.

[Laharl]

http://www.toadking.com/6x9=42/hardcore.jpg

get your terms right before starting retarded arguements, its only a matter before good old captain circular logic shows his face again

[Drizzy Drake]

Zepher really is an ass eh?

[Split Infinity]

Because that was worth the 20 day revival...

[Drizzy Drake]

Oh, didn't notice that. My bad.

[Someone Else]

http://malstrom.50we...om/birdman.html

Some might find it interesting. I didn't read the whole damn thing but I read a lot of it.

[Legolastom]

I read the whole thing.

...

That is truth.

[Nosferatu]

I would like to Necro this thread with a relevant picture.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1971/1223164515139zk0.png

Only change I would make is Halo 3 to Casual.

[Blue]

Disgaea. Jesus, from what I've heard of that game I wouldn't even want to touch it. That would be worse then WoW

[Caael]

Nosferatu, on Oct 5 2008, 01:27 AM, said:

I would like to Necro this thread with a relevant picture.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1971/1223164515139zk0.png

Only change I would make is Halo 3 to Casual.

How is Halo casual in any way, shape or form?

[Blue]

Caael, on Oct 4 2008, 06:15 PM, said:

How is Halo casual in any way, shape or form?

I agree. Halo is geared towards the hard core gamer from the start. A casual gamer couldn't go online and have many kills. Takes time and practice to get on to the top.

[Caael]

Theres a difference between being a casual game and being more popular with a younger audience.

If it was a casual game, it wouldn't be 16+

[Nosferatu]

Caael, on Oct 4 2008, 06:29 PM, said:

Theres a difference between being a casual game and being more popular with a younger audience.

If it was a casual game, it wouldn't be 16+

Yet there are what sounds like 5 year olds on the game.

Halo takes no skill other then knowing how to move, shoot and aim. We've been over this a million times.

[Toasty]

Casual gamers are skillfully retarded Nos. That means they don't know how to move, shoot, and aim.

A casual game is a game that can be picked up by anyone 4 and older, and be easily played anywhere from instantaneously to five hours of play time.

Many people may be able to pick up Halo and get used to it quickly, but I don't think my mom would ever be able to land a kill even on me without luck, and I suck at Halo compared to most other people here.

[Someone Else]

Casual = wide appeal. Halo is a stupid, dumbed down shooter. It's all run and gun, that's it. You can't compare it to the likes of COD4, Crysis, BioShock, and other great shooters.

[Golden Legacy]

My knowledge of shooters is woefully lacking, but what would people say about Counter Strike? Still massive appeal, yet from what I remember playing it seemed to be "hardcore" enough.

[Someone Else]

That one's hardcore. Just because something has a bit of a learning curve doesn't mean it can't be insanely popular. And anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, more people play Halo than Counter Strike?

[Split Infinity]

Toasty, on Oct 5 2008, 01:41 PM, said:

Casual gamers are skillfully retarded Nos. That means they don't know how to move, shoot, and aim.

I played Halo 3 for the first time at a party the other day. Managed to kill the best guy in the group over a dozen times, and I barely ever play shooters, let alone console ones.

[Blue]

I hate Halo's controls. Stupid idea to put the zoom button on the freaking joystick. >.>

[Split Infinity]

I hate the controller full stop. The face buttons are hard to find when you're in a rush, and I don't like how the D-pad is just an analog stick in disguise. Plus they're needlessly complicated to link up with the console.

[Toasty]

All you have to do is press two buttons Split. It's not anymore complicated than synching a Wiimote to the Wii.

The only times I've ever beaten the best guys I know (at halo), it was either luck, or they were pre-occupied in a conversation with eachother.

[Split Infinity]

Going by what my friends told me, you have to hit the Dashboard button, hold down a switch on the rear and then simultaneously press a button on the front of the console until it pairs the devices.

Just for comparison, the Sixaxis connects by itself in about three seconds. xP

[Someone Else]

Try playing COD4 then. =P You won't beat the best guys even through luck or a distracting conversation if you don't learn it.

[Toasty]

@Split. It's just a button on the front of the 360, and a button on the controller.

@WD: I have. In terms of how often I win and lose, it's the same for halo as far as my experiences go. I got pretty good at knifing people though. =P

And I've also spent far more time in Halo 3 than COD4.

[Split Infinity]

@WD: Yeah, against a level 55 player you'd be lucky to get even a single kill.

[Someone Else]

I still think Halo is a fairly casual FPS. I give it a lot of hate for being popular yet very shallow. Actually, the whole FPS genre seems pretty casual these days, since the genre's become so saturated on PC and just about every console.

I mean, I love the Halo universe. The story's pretty good and the music is epic. SHAME ABOUT THE GAME THOUGH.

[Nosferatu]

Wind Dude, on Oct 5 2008, 11:37 PM, said:

I mean, I love the Halo universe. The story's pretty good and the music is epic. SHAME ABOUT THE GAME THOUGH.

Lazy bastard. You said that to me yesterday.

[Someone Else]

Indeed I did. I wanted to say it here. =3

[Split Infinity]

Feel lucky, you got a sneak preview.

I've always wondered why they don't try to take the first-person genre beyond shooters. I mean, there's a lot of potential stemming from that single viewpoint.

[Ironsight]

Split Infinity, on Oct 5 2008, 01:14 AM, said:

I played Halo 3 for the first time at a party the other day. Managed to kill the best guy in the group over a dozen times, and I barely ever play shooters, let alone console ones.

Back when I was playing Halo2 for the first time, my two brothers and I played against this one guy who was really good. The three of us working together could only kill him once or twice, while he destroyed us. So it must take some skill to play.

[Caael]

Split Infinity, on Oct 6 2008, 07:31 AM, said:

Going by what my friends told me, you have to hit the Dashboard button, hold down a switch on the rear and then simultaneously press a button on the front of the console until it pairs the devices.

Just for comparison, the Sixaxis connects by itself in about three seconds. xP

only connecting it for the first time. If you're connecting your controller to a friends, you have to hold down the connect button on the 360 and controller for about 3 seconds for it to connect to the console. After that just hold the guide button for about 2 seconds and it connects.

[Toasty]

Split Infinity, on Oct 5 2008, 11:42 PM, said:

I've always wondered why they don't try to take the first-person genre beyond shooters. I mean, there's a lot of potential stemming from that single viewpoint.

There's a first person free-running kind of game that's comming out for the Wii. It's gotten a lot of praise from people who've played the demos. some even claimed to have gotten vertigo.

Also, most racing games offer first person views, sooo.....:(

Miley Cyrus, on Oct 5 2008, 11:43 PM, said:

Back when I was playing Halo2 for the first time, my two brothers and I played against this one guy who was really good. The three of us working together could only kill him once or twice, while he destroyed us. So it must take some skill to play.

Yeah, Halo does take at least some skill. I couldn't get even one kill on any of my friends when I first played Halo 2. It stayed that way for quite a while. Even now, I still get lucky with most of my kills.

[Split Infinity]

Toasty, on Oct 7 2008, 06:08 PM, said:

There's a first person free-running kind of game that's comming out for the Wii. It's gotten a lot of praise from people who've played the demos. some even claimed to have gotten vertigo.

You're not thinking of Mirror's Edge, are you?

[Caael]

lawl it's not even coming out on the wii.

but yah, looks awesome. read an interview about it in a magazine and it sounds incredible.

[Legolastom]

Yeah seen some videos of it, it looks great and original just hope they can give it enough variety so you wont just be running up boxes the whole game.

[Split Infinity]

It's multiplatform now, so makes me wonder whether the Sixaxis will be an addition or just another gimmick.

[Mallick]

Wind Dude, on Oct 5 2008, 11:37 PM, said:

I still think Halo is a fairly casual FPS. I give it a lot of hate for being popular yet very shallow. Actually, the whole FPS genre seems pretty casual these days, since the genre's become so saturated on PC and just about every console.

I mean, I love the Halo universe. The story's pretty good and the music is epic. SHAME ABOUT THE GAME THOUGH.

TF2 has >>>>> music.