Finally, a Real sales chart!
#1
Posted 08 June 2008 - 01:05 AM
Wow, just look at how much Sony sucks!
jk. :(
...but seriously. Even the PSP, which sucks balls, is doing better than the PS3. It doesn't even look like the PS3 will be beating it in sales any time soon. And that's compared to the DS! The slope of the line means that the DS
Then compare the Wii to the other two consoles.
If sales continue in this direction, The Wii will come in first, the PS3 will come in second, and despite it's head start, the 360 will come in third. Obviously there's still time for things to change, as were only halfway into the race, if that. But as long as Nintendo decides to cater a little more to the 'hardcore' gamers (by releasing some RPG's, Racers, and FPS's), they'll win this time around. The PS3 will really have to take off to win. There's not a whole lot that can be done to boost 360 sales though. Everyone knows what it's capable of, and even if the RROD is completely annhialated, people probably won't know, or won't really care (unless you own a 360 already, which doesn't really help sales).
Obviously, an overpowered system does not a selling machine make. Gameplay prevails over graphics once again.
The charts I linked to are of cumulative sales, so it's how many have been sold worldwide as of the date specified below. And if anyone finds solid information that these charts are inacurate, I will cry, accept defeat, and move on.
#2
Posted 08 June 2008 - 01:14 AM
#3
Posted 08 June 2008 - 03:19 AM
Wow...that sounded weird.
#4
Posted 08 June 2008 - 03:26 AM
I don't think Nintendo is stupid enough to leave hardcore gamers out of the mix entirely. Besides, they'll still have the casual gaming market locked up tight. The only way the PS3 will come out on top, is if Nintendo screws everything up, and the PS3 gets a bunch of hard-hitters. Both of which aren't likely to happen. The PS3 may get some hard-hitters (we already know it's getting MGS4, FFXIII and GT5), but not a bunch. Nintendo as it is is screwing over the hardcore gamers, but even if they continue to do so (which I pray to god they don't), they could still end up on top. The Wii has a lot more momentum than the PS3.
#5
Posted 08 June 2008 - 03:36 AM
#6
Posted 08 June 2008 - 03:47 AM
The Wii has another Zelda in development atm, and Disaster:Day of Crisis, which is supposed to be the first decent FPS for the Wii, is comming out in a little while aswell.
#7
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:04 AM
And do you honestly think DDOC is really going to stand out that much? The previous games weren't exactly killer apps, and like you said, it would take more than just one game to keep a console afloat.
#8
Posted 08 June 2008 - 09:51 AM
#9
Posted 08 June 2008 - 09:55 AM
#10
Posted 08 June 2008 - 11:54 AM
Meaning, make a PS4 so we all have to buy that console to play new games.
#11
Posted 08 June 2008 - 12:59 PM
#13
Posted 08 June 2008 - 01:27 PM
The thing is, I doubt the pace will remain the same. The Wii is leaving the hardcore gamers out more than it really should, and that problem alone could knock it out of the top, since there are a good number of hardcore players. As long as the Wii can also cater a bit to the hardcore gamers, it will stay on top.
#16
Posted 08 June 2008 - 01:49 PM
#17
Posted 08 June 2008 - 02:27 PM
Split Infinity, on Jun 8 2008, 03:04 AM, said:
And do you honestly think DDOC is really going to stand out that much? The previous games weren't exactly killer apps, and like you said, it would take more than just one game to keep a console afloat.
Look at the slopes, split. Obviously the PS3 is at a disadvantage against the PSP and the DS, but it's slope is shallower than the DS, and slightly shallower than the PSP's.
And the Wii needs far fewer titles to stay afloat since it already has a solid lead. I'll agree that D:DoC and one or two others aren't enough to keep the Wii afloat, but there's other titles in the mix aswell. I just can't name them all off the top of my head.
One more thing, Split. These are games, not applications. :( The term "killer apps" is used for programs on computers, for the most part.
#19
Posted 08 June 2008 - 03:38 PM
Nick Presta, on Jun 8 2008, 02:59 PM, said:
Sony always designs its products for a 10-year lifespan. In 2 years, titles for 360 will be nothing compared to PS3, as developers are only now really starting to tap into its potential. Its power has been largely unused so far, we've only seen a fraction of it.
Caael, on Jun 8 2008, 03:03 PM, said:
I read something similar, that the new Xbox is being targeted for late 2011/2012.
#20
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:22 PM
#21
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:28 PM
#22
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:30 PM
#23
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:31 PM
#24
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:39 PM
Zeypher, on Jun 8 2008, 11:22 PM, said:
i'll do just that, then laugh at you when they announce the wii mote pogo stick attachment
#26
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:50 PM
" It's coming, you'll see. When it comes, i'll show you all!"
#27
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:51 PM
Laharl, on Jun 8 2008, 06:39 PM, said:
Pogo Stick attachment? Count me in!
In all seriousness, while I do expect Nintendo to reveal their next casual-game project for Wii (I'm putting my bets on "Wii Music" which was demonstrated in 2006), I think what Zeypher means is that Nintendo needs to have a few hardcore aces up its sleeve. Not a matter of will they or will they not, but they simply must if they hope to keep some sense of loyalty for its fanbase.
Smash started off the year strong and it will carry them through Wii's remaining years. However, they need a strong game, they need to raise the hype for the hardcore camp, something big (and preferably, new, seeing as Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Smash, have all been released).
That said, to go back to the charts, the gap between 360 and PS3 is going to shrink considerably for at least one reason - Japan. 360 is effectively dead there, and PS3 has been selling steadily, and will see huge sales when Final Fantasy and Metal Gear come around.
Not to mention PS3's already surpassed 360 in Europe, which means the only market the 360 is distancing itself from PS3 is North America.
#28
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:52 PM
Nothing big, to my knowledge, has been confirmed yet.
#29
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:53 PM
And to answer Zeyphers question;
Fable 2, All Points Bulletin, Fallout 3, Gears of War 2, Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 2, Assassins Creed 2, Too Human
Was a silly question really, wasnt it.
#30
Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:56 PM
Nintendo - No one thought the Wii would have been this successful so 3rd party developers were slow to focus on the Wii. I believe lots of 3rd party developers will announce the projects they are now working on for the Wii.
Sony - More info on home, and new titles being worked on by Sony and their 2nd party titles. The guy who made GoW opened a new studio, and will be making games exclusively for the PS3, I expect some new stuff. I also see Sony focusing more on their online service by intergrating their large catalog of music, games and movies into their network. Something I believe they are working hard on. I expect most games that were exclusive to the 360 to be ported to the 360, and I expect the sequels to be on both systems rather than exclusively 360.
Microsoft should announce they are closing down their gaming division. They have yet to make a darn profit (but yes I know, the 360 is profitable)
#32
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:00 PM
I like how Zeypher completely ignored my post.
Quote
#33
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:02 PM
And Caael, Microsoft gaming division has yet to make a profit o.o
The 360 is profitable yes, but they had to use 1 billion dollars to repair the FPS360, and also the original Xbox was not profitable. Microsoft is still trying to recoup costs.
And I love Micorosft. I hate their gaming division!
#34
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:02 PM
Quote
Why did you just say that? Are you trying to start a flame war or something?
You "got me" there, because M$ reveals their games, while Nintendo keeps them a secret until big events like E3.
Quote
How bout you research it, then post what you found on here.
#35
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:05 PM
#36
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:08 PM
Caael, on Jun 8 2008, 03:53 PM, said:
And to answer Zeyphers question;
Fable 2, All Points Bulletin,
Was a silly question really, wasnt it.
Crossed out the multi-plat games.
#40
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:11 PM
As for Sony, it all depends on how they show more of the PS3's capabilities. If the PS3 truly hasn't shown much of what it's capable of, then this E3 is a big chance for Sony to make the PS3 more popular.
Microsoft...dunno what to say to them but to try harder...? ._. I'm hoping to get a 360 in a couple weeks or so, for GTAIV, Ninja Gaiden II, and a couple others.
#45
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:17 PM
Golden Legacy, on Jun 8 2008, 02:38 PM, said:
I read something similar, that the new Xbox is being targeted for late 2011/2012.
GL, please quit saying how amazing the PS3 is. Even with it's over powered CPU, it WILL NOT last for ten years. Not a chance. Ten years from now we'll have 64 core processors. That's more than 8 times as many cores as the Cell has. The successor to the 360 will likely be using intel's new 8 core CPU, or maybe even something better. Who knows. The PS3 doesn't really have a whole lot more to show other than amazing graphics. There's nothing there besides a prettier picture with each new game, and possibly better physics.
the PS3's potential may not have been realised yet, but seriously. No matter how pretty a game looks, it's still crap if it has crappy gameplay.
#47
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:19 PM
Eugine, on Jun 8 2008, 06:56 PM, said:
Eugine, on Jun 8 2008, 07:02 PM, said:
The 360 is profitable yes, but they had to use 1 billion dollars to repair the FPS360, and also the original Xbox was not profitable. Microsoft is still trying to recoup costs.
Just so you're aware, companies historically never make money off of consoles. Software sales are where the majority of the profit is.
Nintendo, recently, has been the exception to that strategy, but even that doesn't change the fact that most of their net profits - still - come from their software (and in their case, first-party).
#48
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:24 PM
#51
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:43 PM
i am quite content to remain neutral, i'll be getting a 360 this week, i'm not suddenly going to become Captain MS fanboy, i'm getting it because it has the games i want to play on it, if you have a problem with this feel free to use your Wii or PS3 as a weight and jump off a bridge
#52
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:47 PM
#53
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:48 PM
Laharl, on Jun 8 2008, 04:43 PM, said:
Trust me when I say only Eugine will do that.
#57
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:53 PM
Idiot = Someone stupid.
What is your school teaching you? -__-
#58
Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:58 PM
Eugine, on Jun 8 2008, 04:53 PM, said:
Idiot = Someone stupid.
http://www.youtube.c...ah-Q-20rUc&NR=1
So to go back on topic... I think the Wii will remain strong as it's sold so much, developers can't let the opportunity pass.
#59
Posted 08 June 2008 - 06:39 PM
Eugine, on Jun 8 2008, 04:53 PM, said:
Idiot = Someone stupid.
What is your school teaching you? -__-
I still fail to see the difference.
And our science teacher's trying to push global warming propaganda on the class. Luckily, I think I've kept at least one person from falling for it.
ANYWAY. I'm excited to see what Nintendo's going to do with the Wii Ware channel. Hopefully it won't just end up being a place for small developers to make small, short games. Though I suppose the Wii's internal memory would probably keep it that way. Even with SD cards, you'd only have 2GB max to store the game on.
#60
Posted 08 June 2008 - 06:50 PM
Toasty, on Jun 8 2008, 06:39 PM, said:
http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2008/05/0...mory-situation/
External USB HDD, imo.
#61
Posted 08 June 2008 - 07:24 PM
makes it sound like being a fantard is a good thing :/
#63
Posted 08 June 2008 - 09:46 PM
And no Laharl, I'm not being a wuss. D:
#64
Posted 08 June 2008 - 10:06 PM
It'll likely be a flash storage drive of some sort. Either a thumb drive, or An SSD. Depending on how soon prices for SSD's fall (which might not be all that soon tbh).
It won't be a hard drive mainly because hard drives are too fragile. It'd be a pain to have to deal with warranties on litterally hundreds of thosands of broken hard drives.
#65
Posted 08 June 2008 - 10:20 PM
#66
Posted 08 June 2008 - 11:28 PM
Or they open up the SD cards...but I doubt they will because that would make it easier to pirate games.
#68
Posted 09 June 2008 - 09:45 AM
Toasty, on Jun 8 2008, 09:06 PM, said:
Mine is pretty noisy with all the "clicky-clackity-clicky" and other onomatopoeic words that it makes whenever it's loading something. Pretty annoying actually. I thought we were promised that the Wii would be silent.
#69
Posted 09 June 2008 - 01:11 PM
#75
Posted 09 June 2008 - 09:25 PM
Split Infinity, on Jun 8 2008, 10:46 PM, said:
Wind Dude, on Jun 9 2008, 10:45 AM, said:
My bro's 360 is much more louder than my Wii.
#76
Posted 12 June 2008 - 04:17 AM
Split Infinity, on Jun 8 2008, 09:20 PM, said:
And external hardrive (which is what Nintendo would supply us with since the Wii has no room for an internal one) are MUCH more prone to damage from shock and other things than internal drives encased around a secure, possibly rubber-lined enclosure.
An external Wii HDD would be much to easy to damage for it to be practical. Unless they used SSD which are far more expensive (ranging in the 1000's of dollars in most cases).
Please actually use your brain before trying to make someone else look stupid. <_<
And split, he basically mean allowing the Wii to play VC games straight from the SD cards instead of having to move them to the Wii before being played. At least, that's what I'm assuming. I personally thing they should just release a firmware update allowing people to hook up flashdrives or external hard drives of their own to the Wii. They wouldn't even have to worry about warranties or whatever for additional hardware. Of course, it would make it easier to pirate games, I'd assume. Though I'm sure they could think of some way aruond that problem.
#77
Posted 12 June 2008 - 12:11 PM
I'm sure a cheap SSD could be worked out.
#78
Posted 12 June 2008 - 12:36 PM
But yeah, it shouldn't be too expensive to make, say, and 8GB SSD add-on, but I was thinking more along the lines of 64GB. Though I'm sure most Wii users wouldn't need that much storage space. But the read and write speeds on those drives look a bit sluggish.
#79
Posted 12 June 2008 - 09:51 PM
Quote
Description of Duties
* Creating and executing a test plan for Wii’s USB devices
* Executing test plans with great attention to detail and documenting bugs
* Writing test procedure documents, gathering, and learning required software/hardware
* Reproducing bug reports and helping find work-arounds or resolutions
Summary of Requirements
* Extremely thorough with keen attention to detail and accuracy
* Able to execute scripted tasks lists with regular repetition
* Ability to reliably report and track defects via spreadsheets or other bug tracking software with great detail
It's on Nintendo's job site...I'll try and find a link.
This is also significant- http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2007/04/0...-solution-soon/
#80
Posted 15 June 2008 - 02:18 AM
Hopefully we'll get hard drives for our Wii's in the near future.
#82
Posted 15 June 2008 - 03:54 PM
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars...d-sales-numbers
Interesting article. Apparently the DS and the Wii are selling better than the PS3. The DS beat the PS3 by 243,000 units. And yeah, I know that's like comparing apples to oranges, but the Wii is still outselling the PS3, and the fact that the DS is too is just that much more icing on the cake.
I honestly don't think the PS3 will come in first this generation. Maybe second, but not first.
#83
Posted 15 June 2008 - 05:05 PM
#87
Posted 15 June 2008 - 06:57 PM
And Toasty, Satoru Iwata said they're looking into the storage problem...and after all these reports of USB stuff by Nintendo...it only makes sense that they're making a some kind of USB storage solution.
#88
Posted 16 June 2008 - 12:39 AM
Pokemon Mystery dungeon had sold over 200k copies?! And why the hell are people still buying Wii play? It's an awful game that entertains you for about 10 minutes before I realised that the money should have been spent on the extra remote, instead of the game as well, because lets face it, the extra £10 for the game was not worth it in any way.
#89
Posted 16 June 2008 - 02:35 AM
hell, one of the pubs near me has a wii sports night
#90
Posted 16 June 2008 - 03:01 PM
Zeypher, on Jun 15 2008, 05:57 PM, said:
And Toasty, Satoru Iwata said they're looking into the storage problem...and after all these reports of USB stuff by Nintendo...it only makes sense that they're making a some kind of USB storage solution.
Either they're developing a periphreal (usb HDD), or they're developing a firmware update to allow for usb storage devices to work with the Wii (either thumbdrives or external HDD's).
Or they could be doing both.
[EDIT] Holy crap! The Wii sold more units than the PSP, 360, PS3, and PS2 combined!