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#1   Caael 

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    Posted 28 September 2009 - 09:34 AM

    This game looks INCREDIBLE.

    It's a first person shooter set in a wasteland. Sound familiar?

    How about COD4 style gameplay?

    What about cel shading and a levelling up system with the complexity of WoW?

    100% Open world where you can go anywhere and do anything you want?

    Huge frikkin boss fights (Think of the sand wyrm things in Mass Effect. Now imagine them 100 times bigger, and fighting them on foot).

    Awesome (and I think customisable) vehicles

    Over 100,000 guns. They have a ridiculous figure of attributes and features for guns, and then they have an engine that randomises them completely, so you might end up with a pistol that shoots fire, or "One of the guns tracks onto something and locks, and after three seconds, [the target] suddenly explodes, director Matthew Armstrong says."

    The same applies to enemies and terrain.

    Oh, and it has 4 player drop in-drop out co-op play.

    GOTY '09 pls.

    http://www.gametrailers.com/video/preview-...rderlands/56124


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      Posted 28 September 2009 - 11:03 AM

      Yet another great game I won't play until long after anybody cares.

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        Posted 28 September 2009 - 06:21 PM

        I don't know, it looks good but for some reason I do not want.

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          Posted 28 September 2009 - 07:15 PM

          But does it have sword-shooting shotguns?

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            Posted 28 September 2009 - 07:18 PM

            So it has the grindan progression of an MMO without the persistent world of one?

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              Posted 28 September 2009 - 08:07 PM

              The reason they say there's 100,000 guns is because there is probably 50 guns with 50 different ____s and 50 different ____s. They said the same thing about how many zombies there are in L4D, but they just have x amount of custom heads to x amount of custom bodies with x amount of haircuts.

              I'll pass.

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                Posted 28 September 2009 - 11:12 PM

                I doubt there's 100,000 of anything in any video game out today.

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                  Posted 28 September 2009 - 11:23 PM

                  Maybe the gun models are procedurally generated based on attributes given to them. Like guns with better accuracy will be given longer barrels, guns with a higher rate of fire have heavier looking barrels, stuff like that.

                  But yeah, If they really have 100,000 different guns the development team can't have actually made all of them themselves, and a claim like that better have some backing or people are going to be disappointed. I guess that's why I'm not so hyped for this game, it's really promising the moon.

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                    Posted 29 September 2009 - 01:04 AM

                    It looks great apart from the fact it's Fallout3 meets Mass Effect. Not negative on it but if this had of come out before Fallout3 I probably think more of it.

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                      Posted 29 September 2009 - 02:06 AM

                      edit, hold on a sec...

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                        Posted 29 September 2009 - 02:16 AM

                        View PostSplit Infinity, on Sep 29 2009, 01:06 AM, said:

                        edit, hold on a sec...

                        Sure bro.

                        View Postwatch, on Sep 29 2009, 12:04 AM, said:

                        It looks great apart from the fact it's Fallout3 meets Mass Effect. Not negative on it but if this had of come out before Fallout3 I probably think more of it.

                        This just proves my point about casuals. Go talk about sunglasses or something.

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                          Posted 29 September 2009 - 03:46 AM

                          New Call of Duty looks great Piers, might level grind up to 65 this time and get prestige.

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                            Posted 29 September 2009 - 08:44 AM

                            View PostSomeone Else, on Sep 29 2009, 06:23 AM, said:

                            Maybe the gun models are procedurally generated based on attributes given to them. Like guns with better accuracy will be given longer barrels, guns with a higher rate of fire have heavier looking barrels, stuff like that.

                            But yeah, If they really have 100,000 different guns the development team can't have actually made all of them themselves, and a claim like that better have some backing or people are going to be disappointed. I guess that's why I'm not so hyped for this game, it's really promising the moon.


                            There's a set amount of gun pieces, attributes and appearances (Something in the 10,000s) and then a separate engine randomises all these parts and distributes them randomly around the world, creating millions of slightly unique weapons. Sure, some will feel pretty similar to others, but it's not as if developers created 2 identical weapons; it's the engine. I wouldn't say it's promising the moon, I'd say its some pretty nice technology they've got behind the scenes that manages all this.

                            On it's own in single player, it wouldn't be so great but because an IRL friend has also pre-ordered it, we'll have hours of fun in co-op.

                            watch said:

                            It looks great apart from the fact it's Fallout3 meets Mass Effect. Not negative on it but if this had of come out before Fallout3 I probably think more of it.


                            It's trying to dispel the fallout associations; the concept for this game has been around since like 2004 and the creative director wanted to stray as far from possible as Fallout (well, as much as possible within the FP-RPG genre). Instead of focusing on moral dialogue, relationships between characters and following a set in stone story, this really does give you the freedom to do anything, focusing far more on combat and general fun.

                            It's got the FPS gameplay of COD, the RPG complexity of WoW/Mass Effect and the Vehicular aspect of..I dunno, maybe Red Faction? While it borrows aspects from these games, it aspires to be something completely different. I understand it's not for everybody, but believe me, it's not just "Oh another Fallout". It mixes up the genres to a point where, it's not trying to imitate them but has created a whole new genre.

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                              Posted 29 September 2009 - 11:50 AM

                              View PostCaael, on Sep 29 2009, 07:44 AM, said:

                              the RPG complexity of WoW

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                                Posted 29 September 2009 - 02:25 PM

                                Well, maybe not to such an extent but for a console FPRPG It's probably the deepest of its kind.

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                                  Posted 29 September 2009 - 03:43 PM

                                  I think he was laugher about something else Tim...

                                  But I think people can understand a levelling system without you having to give examples.

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                                    Posted 29 September 2009 - 04:18 PM

                                    Some people are stupid and need it explaining :>

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                                      Posted 29 September 2009 - 04:40 PM

                                      You sound like an idiot though.

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                                        Posted 29 September 2009 - 08:21 PM

                                        I read a preview in GamePro (which is a horrible magazine in my opinion but I digress) and watched the whole GameTrailers preview when I was bored, and I changed my mind, the game SOUNDS fun. But I won't pick it up unless I can play with some bros, but having a PS3 and no 360...

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                                          Posted 30 September 2009 - 10:42 AM

                                          View PostLegolastom, on Sep 29 2009, 11:40 PM, said:

                                          You sound like an idiot though.


                                          You play WoW though so I'm a higher form of life.

                                          Actually cant wait for this one, I think I've got another IRL friend who's going to get it as well so we'll be 3-way co-oping it up :rolleyes:

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                                            Posted 30 September 2009 - 11:14 AM

                                            Tim considering you just said that you would like to play wow but you are waiting until you get some free time because you don't want to be addicted to it on Steam chat I am afraid you are in no position to say that to me.

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                                              Posted 30 September 2009 - 11:55 AM

                                              View PostLegolastom, on Sep 30 2009, 06:14 PM, said:

                                              Tim considering you just said that you would like to play wow but you are waiting until you get some free time because you don't want to be addicted to it on Steam chat I am afraid you are in no position to say that to me.


                                              Am I or am I not playing WoW at this current moment?

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                                                Posted 30 September 2009 - 04:32 PM

                                                In mother Russia, saronite ore WTB you!

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                                                  Posted 30 September 2009 - 05:44 PM

                                                  View PostSomeone Else, on Sep 29 2009, 07:21 PM, said:

                                                  I read a preview in GamePro (which is a horrible magazine in my opinion but I digress) and watched the whole GameTrailers preview when I was bored, and I changed my mind, the game SOUNDS fun. But I won't pick it up unless I can play with some bros, but having a PS3 and no 360...

                                                  I don't trust/ care about anything that goes the "professional" route with games.

                                                  You ever talked to a fucking MLG ******? They are complete fucking pains in the ass and should have a nuke stuck up their fucking asses then shoved into a volcano that's fully of Toastys instead of magma.

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                                                    Posted 30 September 2009 - 07:08 PM

                                                    View PostNosferatu, on Oct 1 2009, 12:44 AM, said:

                                                    I don't trust/ care about anything that goes the "professional" route with games.

                                                    You ever talked to a fucking MLG ******? They are complete fucking pains in the ass and should have a nuke stuck up their fucking asses then shoved into a volcano that's fully of Toastys instead of magma.


                                                    Fuck sakes man! Nobody deserves that! NOBODY!

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                                                      Posted 03 October 2009 - 12:56 PM

                                                      View PostNosferatu, on Sep 30 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

                                                      I don't trust/ care about anything that goes the "professional" route with games.

                                                      You ever talked to a fucking MLG ******? They are complete fucking pains in the ass and should have a nuke stuck up their fucking asses then shoved into a volcano that's fully of Toastys instead of magma.

                                                      No I agree, video game journalism is a horrible joke in today's age. When you see the opinions/editorials you gotta be careful, but when they're just giving you plain information about a game usually it's okay.

                                                      So basically don't trust reviews, but previews are fine as long as you ignore the paragraph(s) where the author says "this game is horrible/awesome!"

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                                                        Posted 03 October 2009 - 04:33 PM

                                                        I think I stopped trusting media critics around the time when I saw a three-star review for an original Star Wars movie.

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                                                          Posted 17 October 2009 - 03:04 PM

                                                          http://www.youtube.c...h?v=BmUJrKGN3C0

                                                          Watch this and penis-cry

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                                                            Posted 17 October 2009 - 05:09 PM

                                                            Not even going to TRY Borderlands. In spite of /v/.

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                                                              Posted 21 November 2009 - 11:03 PM

                                                              The game is... good... I like loot-collecting in games so this is a nice fix. But holy hell, this game has one of the worst inventory systems conceived by humans. This game is pretty much all about the guns... so why am I so limited in carrying them? Why can't I organize and manage them better? Why isn't there a place to stash them?

                                                              The game is fun, but I don't think I'll ever get used to the inventory. With that said, what's everybody's favorite gun?

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                                                                Posted 22 November 2009 - 03:03 AM

                                                                Well as you progress in the game you get more inventory space, so as long as you're not carrying a whole armory you'll be fine. On top of that, you can change how your inventory is organized when in a shop (or your bag, idk) by pressing the same button as you use to talk to people. The only thing you can't do is stash things in places. Boo hoo, you'll get an upgrade to the gun you're trying to stash by the time you get back to where you stashed it!

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                                                                  Posted 22 November 2009 - 01:09 PM

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                                                                  The game is... good... I like loot-collecting in games so this is a nice fix. But holy hell, this game has one of the worst inventory systems conceived by humans. This game is pretty much all about the guns... so why am I so limited in carrying them? Why can't I organize and manage them better? Why isn't there a place to stash them?

                                                                  The game is fun, but I don't think I'll ever get used to the inventory. With that said, what's everybody's favorite gun?


                                                                  In the inventory, guns are sorted in order of rarity. And you shouldn't ever need to store something, if it's worth storing you might as well keep it on your person. But then again, your guns will become obsolete after about 1-2 levels. I just sold anything I never used, regardless of rarity. If you pick it up and dont use it immediately, then it's not worth your time so dont hang onto it waiting for the right situation to use it, because you will find better substitutes anyway.

                                                                  And fix 'dem claptraps and get more inv.

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                                                                    Posted 22 November 2009 - 01:53 PM

                                                                    Okay, fair enough. I did get an inventory space upgrade, I just don't get why we can't have enough inventory space to begin with. What makes less sense is having to upgrade to get more equip slots. Who though that was a good idea when, at least when you're playing offline, you can pause the game and change your equipment anyway? =/

                                                                    I still think using a list for an inventory isn't a good design decision when your guns have names like ZX1 Terrible Shotgun or GGN40/V2 Fearsome Sniper, imo icons that display stats would have worked much, MUCH better. Then again, I mostly play games that have inventory management as a core gameplay element on the PC, so I'm probably expecting too much from consoles.

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                                                                      Posted 22 November 2009 - 02:40 PM

                                                                      You get used to the inventory system. Yeah it's not as good as other similar games but it's fine for me, i'll be carrying about 10 guns at a time ( incl. equipped ones)

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                                                                        Posted 22 November 2009 - 02:45 PM

                                                                        Favorite gun I have so far is a revolver with only 2 shots per cylinder but is quick to reload, does a hefty amount of damage PLUS explodey damage. Rapes most things of a similar level in two shots.

                                                                        I also picked up an AR that has 81 bullets in a clip, does high damage and great accuracy with an average rate of fire, but takes a long time to reload. It's really great for big enemies that I just need to unload clip after clip on. I think I sold it for more space though, while having 81 shots in a clip is nice I eventually found guns with higher damage that reload quickly anyway.

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                                                                          Posted 22 November 2009 - 03:43 PM

                                                                          I cant remember what weapons I'm using, o lawd.

                                                                          Something along the lines of an S&S sniper with a 2.7 fire rate and a 10 magazine so it's extremely versatile; it's almost automatic but also has a good zoom. So from far away I can pop heads and close up I can also pop heads.

                                                                          Got a corrosive pistol thats great for Crimson Lance; 2 shots but 500dmg each so 1 headshot usually kills em.

                                                                          Uhhh an awesome SMG with swirly bullets that does 90 dmg per shot with a 1.5 zoom and 10.something fire rate.

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                                                                            Posted 22 November 2009 - 04:36 PM

                                                                            Explosive damage will seem terrible as soon as you pick up a fire revolver. I used a level 16 3x fire damage revolver up until maybe 25 when I got a better one.

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                                                                              Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:27 AM

                                                                              Explosive damage may seem crap because it's not scaled to certain resistances; ie fire is good against flesh, shock against shield and corrosive against armour. Explosive is just all round which is why it wont seem as good as a weapon with a different elemental mod.

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                                                                                Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:30 AM

                                                                                well it does splash damage and makes criticals easier. i'd rather have the DoT of a fire or lightning gun. corrosive ain't that great either lol

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                                                                                  Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:35 AM

                                                                                  Corrosive are ridiculously useful against Crimson Lance and Spiderants, but nothing else. But my atlas 300 dmg 1.4 zoom x4 corrosive damage revolver got me through Old Haven and the CL enclave on my first playthrough. Could headshot most and it'd kill them, and if it didnt, the corrosive dmg would.

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                                                                                    Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:45 AM

                                                                                    On both playthroughs of my hunter I just used a fire against the spiderants. If you don't kill them in 1 hit from a crit, 1 regular hit and some fire damage will take them out too. With my what's it called.. Siren? I used an explosive/lightning (depending on which was out of ammo =p) SMG on them and did the job fine. I DID use corrosive weapons on the Crimson Lance part every time though.

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                                                                                      Posted 23 November 2009 - 10:33 AM

                                                                                      I never used shock as my hunter, as I had trespass so it was completely obsolete.

                                                                                      But on your second playthrough, you'll find that corrosive dmg for spiderants is almost essential as they take so fucking long to kill.

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                                                                                        Posted 23 November 2009 - 11:56 PM

                                                                                        I'm here to send Caael a message cause he's a UK fag, but The Zombie Island of Dr. Ned should be up in a few hours.

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                                                                                          Posted 24 November 2009 - 12:19 AM

                                                                                          As far as I know it's not being released at midnight.

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                                                                                            Posted 24 November 2009 - 03:27 AM

                                                                                            am i the only one who killed Spiderants by strafing and shooting them in the back with a shotgun? One hit kill every time~

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                                                                                              Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:52 AM

                                                                                              View PostLaharl, on Nov 24 2009, 01:27 AM, said:

                                                                                              am i the only one who killed Spiderants by strafing and shooting them in the back with a shotgun? One hit kill every time~

                                                                                              I did the same, but with various other weapons.

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                                                                                                Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:40 AM

                                                                                                The critical melee strike with the hunter killed em in a single hit, if it was 5/5 pointed up. Even with 3/5 it'd kill em. It's just that in order to get behind the faster ones, you needed to hit the front with a lot of dmg to stun them, and corrosive does the most damage per shot to them. 2 shots from that pistol I was talking about and they'd be stunned, leaving them open for mah shanking.

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                                                                                                  Posted 24 November 2009 - 11:29 AM

                                                                                                  View PostCaptain Cannabis, on Nov 23 2009, 10:19 PM, said:

                                                                                                  As far as I know it's not being released at midnight.

                                                                                                  It tends to appear on Live at 4AM PST.

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                                                                                                    Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:34 PM

                                                                                                    View PostCaael, on Nov 24 2009, 07:40 AM, said:

                                                                                                    The critical melee strike with the hunter killed em in a single hit, if it was 5/5 pointed up. Even with 3/5 it'd kill em. It's just that in order to get behind the faster ones, you needed to hit the front with a lot of dmg to stun them

                                                                                                    I don't know about your console BS, but if you press spacebar in the PC game..

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                                                                                                      Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:44 PM

                                                                                                      I'm talking about the lethal blow skill, I dont know what you're on about.

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                                                                                                        Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:24 PM

                                                                                                        laharl: i get behind them and crit them
                                                                                                        caael: to get behind some of them you have to gobs of damage yay corrosive weapons
                                                                                                        me: press the jump buttan

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                                                                                                          Posted 25 November 2009 - 08:02 AM

                                                                                                          Bigger ones turn faster and jump also.

                                                                                                          I was on about stunning the front so they turn around, but yea, jumping behind can also work.

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                                                                                                            Posted 25 November 2009 - 10:08 PM

                                                                                                            I mostly strafe them or use corrosive weapons up front to stun like Caael does.

                                                                                                            So I played this split screen today and DAYUM all the sudden two hours pass and my friend missed his class. XP It's been too long since a multiplayer game did that to me. It's really a shame split screen has become an endangered feature in games.

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                                                                                                              Posted 26 November 2009 - 02:08 PM

                                                                                                              View PostCaael, on Nov 25 2009, 02:02 PM, said:

                                                                                                              Bigger ones turn faster and jump also.


                                                                                                              aim better, suck less

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                                                                                                                Posted 26 November 2009 - 02:22 PM

                                                                                                                View PostLaharl, on Nov 26 2009, 09:08 PM, said:

                                                                                                                aim better, suck less


                                                                                                                I dont suck, I just prefer stunning them instead of running in circles

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                                                                                                                  Posted 10 December 2009 - 05:41 PM

                                                                                                                  View PostCaael, on Nov 26 2009, 12:22 PM, said:

                                                                                                                  I dont suck, I just prefer stunning them instead of running in circles

                                                                                                                  ^ Lies

                                                                                                                  So, uhhhh, how bout more DLC?

                                                                                                                  http://www.xbox360achievements.org/images/screenshots/421/med_mmur4.jpg

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                                                                                                                    Posted 11 December 2009 - 04:06 AM

                                                                                                                    I like that DLC.

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                                                                                                                      Posted 17 December 2009 - 02:32 AM

                                                                                                                      Didn't enjoy it, just finished it today, maybe due to the fact it was spread out over nearly 2 months or the fact the story just sucked Assassin Creed style. Get job, kill bandit boss, get job, kill bandit boss...
                                                                                                                      Ending was okay not great, wouldn't say I didn't see the vault being all it was cracked up to be but I don't reckon I saw that coming.

                                                                                                                      Overall with 17 hours of gameplay and I haven't done alot of the side crap and didn't really play online can't say I can be disappointed, just not impressed for all the hype.

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                                                                                                                        Posted 17 December 2009 - 04:06 AM

                                                                                                                        View PostMy Best Wishes, on Dec 17 2009, 12:32 AM, said:

                                                                                                                        Didn't enjoy it, just finished it today, maybe due to the fact it was spread out over nearly 2 months or the fact the story just sucked Assassin Creed style. Get job, kill bandit boss, get job, kill bandit boss...
                                                                                                                        Ending was okay not great, wouldn't say I didn't see the vault being all it was cracked up to be but I don't reckon I saw that coming.

                                                                                                                        Overall with 17 hours of gameplay and I haven't done alot of the side crap and didn't really play online can't say I can be disappointed, just not impressed for all the hype.

                                                                                                                        Why is it you dislike games that are decent, yet you think Modern Warfare 2 is great? Your opinion on games is so fucked up.

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                                                                                                                          Posted 17 December 2009 - 04:35 AM

                                                                                                                          His opinions on this game are casual. Not that Borderlands is a good game. RPG of the year maybe, but not a good game.

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                                                                                                                            Posted 17 December 2009 - 07:37 AM

                                                                                                                            I don't understand why people judge multiplayer games when they have not actually played the multplayer.

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                                                                                                                              Posted 17 December 2009 - 08:05 PM

                                                                                                                              View PostLegolastom, on Dec 17 2009, 05:37 AM, said:

                                                                                                                              I don't understand why people judge multiplayer games when they have not actually played the multplayer.

                                                                                                                              I've played the multiplayer on a friend's copy of the game.

                                                                                                                              Same bland, soul-less shit as the first game.

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                                                                                                                                Posted 17 December 2009 - 08:46 PM

                                                                                                                                I think he was referring to Watch bagging on Borderlands and including the words "didn't play any multiplayer" in the same post.

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                                                                                                                                  Posted 18 December 2009 - 02:04 AM

                                                                                                                                  I stand by my word.

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                                                                                                                                    View PostNosferatu, on Dec 17 2009, 09:06 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                    Why is it you dislike games that are decent, yet you think Modern Warfare 2 is great? Your opinion on games is so fucked up.

                                                                                                                                    If I don't have fun during a game, and finishing it becomes a chore because I merely want to find out what happens or just get my moneys worth, then it's not good. I have fun playing MW2 and the single player, while nothing exceptional or unique, was still fun, but I mostly play it for the mutliplayer, same way I used to play Americas Army and why I can see Counter Strike was so popular.
                                                                                                                                    Borderlands wasn't fun for me, crossover games I'm beginning to find aren't great. It wasn't enough of an RPG to have a good story and varied quests, and it wasn't enough of a shooter to have a nicely tuned shooter system, unlike the COD4 style of gameplay Caael hinted at in the OP.
                                                                                                                                    Also.



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                                                                                                                                    I think he was referring to Watch bagging on Borderlands and including the words "didn't play any multiplayer" in the same post.

                                                                                                                                    If Tom was directed at me, I said I didn't really play any, which is me saying out of that approx 17 hours 2 or 3 were online, I didn't see the point of it aside from getting higher levelled people to pretty much do the game for me. Duelling was alright but not so fantastic my head exploded.

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                                                                                                                                      Posted 18 December 2009 - 05:04 AM

                                                                                                                                      it's called [getting drunk and] hopping into a server with a few buddies and

                                                                                                                                      1) rippin shit up
                                                                                                                                      2) fuckin around


                                                                                                                                      much better than running around with marathon/commando+akimbo rangers meleeing people.


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