[Mars Djinni]

Back in Sol Sanctum, Kraden mentioned a Stone of Sages. I know he could mean the Philosopher's Stone, an alchemy-based tool that can thwart death and turn even the poorest metals into gold. Would Kraden fear that Saturos and Menardi create the stone after releasing the power? Or did he make a reference to it for some other reason?

[Lind]

You know I've never been able to figure out the whole point of the stone of sages. I don't remember any other reference to it in both games either. Perhaps he thinks that is what Alchemy will unleash, a stone people will have wars over...

[Somia]

I didn't even know what a stone of sages is at the beginning I thought it mean the wise one or something...

[Ravenblade]

maybe its just background to the plot or something to give you some kind of impression at this point in the game that alchemy is powerful. Alternatively, it could be that they intend on another game that will feature it heavily.

[gsninja]

I agree with RavenBlade. Another GS game might revolve around the Stone of Sages a lot. After all, it is formed from the Golden Sun.

[Somia]

But yet theres is no news about it...

[Ravenblade]

no news is good news they say.

Anyways this kinda thing happens all the time doesnt it? some random, seemingly irrelvant artifact from one game gets made the all important something of joy later on. The fact that i cant name a game that happened in is irrelevant.^^

[Lind]

You know it does seem like the Wise One itself might be the stone of sages. It's has god-like powers of alchemy and its a big rocky thing. If not, wasn't the stone of sages supposed to form inside Sol Sanctum somewhere? Maybe that's why Aleph sank, to keep people from getting to the stone....

Once again, I give nothing but random speculation... -_-

[Kikuichimonji]

omg, that's actually a really good prediction Lind, I mean they always refer to the wise one as a big ROCKY eye, and well, he's wise no?

I think if there is another game, it will be around the stone

[Somia]

I was saying..I always thought the wise one is the stone of sages...I thought it was formed by some old sages who had sealed Alchemy away and turned into what now is called the wise one.

[Mars Djinni]

By the end of GS2, Isaac was given some power of the golden sun, right? So maybe he could create the Stone of Sages. (If the stone of sages isn't The Wise One!)

[Lind]

I don't think Isaac can. It seems to me like Isaac was given just enough to screw up Alex with the power of the Golden Sun. Alex didn't get it all, and that was that. Besides, does Isaac even know he has such power? We won't know until Camalot says something. (Prays the new gae they're working on is GS3)

[Neon]

Erm... I always thought that the Stone of Sages was formed from the Golden Sun, and that Alex got it at the end of GS2. Only it was weaker because some of the power got channeled through to Isaac instead...

[My Best Wishes]

i don't remember isaac getting some of that power? when did that happen

maybe the stone of sages is like all the elemental stars fused or something

[Mars Djinni]

That might be a possibility... but the elemental stars are gone, they're in the Golden Sun now.

[Sea of Time]

The Stone of Sages is just Alchemy in it's physical form. He was merely afraid that the power would fall into the wrong hands. Am I right in this or what?

[Ravenblade]

At the end of the game, Alex became damn powerful but not totally cos of Isaac gaining some of the said power also. Its possible that the stone of sages may only take form when those two powers combine, meaning one of them has to die or something along those lines. Its also possible that the Wise One could be the stone of sages i guess as it is incredibly powerful. This is presumably why the almost all powerful Alex couldnt defeat it^^

[kandy man]

the stone of sages tells a great tale of a power so great that it could not be controlled untill some sages came and seald the power deep inside sol scantum.
there you go :lol:

[Neon]

I played the end of GS2 again a few days ago. Kraden says that the Golden Sun gives form to the stone of sages. I assume that Alex actually got the stone, it just isn't as powerful as it should be.

[kandy man]

Neon, on Jan 23 2005, 03:11 AM, said:

I played the end of GS2 again a few days ago. Kraden says that the Golden Sun gives form to the stone of sages. I assume that Alex actually got the stone, it just isn't as powerful as it should be.

Howed you get an idea like that? :)
but that works too.

[Celestial Paladin]

Really? I thought the Elemental Stars went back to the Lighthouse Aeries after they fused together with the Golden Sun? Oh well.

And I personally have no idea what the Stone of Sages is...

[DullahanX7]

kandy man, on Jan 21 2005, 07:26 PM, said:

the stone of sages tells a great tale of a power so great that it could not be controlled untill some sages came and seald the power deep inside sol scantum.
there you go :)

the world was peaceful until men used alchemy for evil so some really powerful guys put the power into these star things.... the power could only be unleashed when the lighthouses were lit....

[Neon]

*sigh*
Kraden says that the golden sun gives form to the stone of sages. The elemental stars are still used at the lighthouse, they were just pure elemental energy used to ignite the beacons. The beacons themselves create the golden sun.

Therefor, the stone of sages was created at the end of TLA, when the Golden Sun was created. The stone of sages is pure alchemy, and allows the holder to live forever and perform all sorts of marvels. Since Alex supposedly gained these powers at the end of TLA, he must hold the Stone of Sages.

Sounds logical to me.

[DullahanX7]

Neon, on Feb 7 2005, 06:48 AM, said:

*sigh*
Kraden says that the golden sun gives form to the stone of sages. The elemental stars are still used at the lighthouse, they were just pure elemental energy used to ignite the beacons. The beacons themselves create the golden sun.

Therefor, the stone of sages was created at the end of TLA, when the Golden Sun was created. The stone of sages is pure alchemy, and allows the holder to live forever and perform all sorts of marvels. Since Alex supposedly gained these powers at the end of TLA, he must hold the Stone of Sages.

Sounds logical to me.

yes but the wiseone moved some of the forming goldensun to the mars star.... so alex only has some of the stone of sage's power...

[BloodPhoenix]

Awser me one question please... Who are the Stone of Sages??? Does anyone actually know?

[Ravenblade]

Well a few people in this topic said it was the floating eye/rock thing *The Wise One* and it could be, but it may also just have been excluded from the game and only mentioned as historical background and setting of the scene.

[Lind]

Here's another theory:

What if the Elemental stars where peices of the stone of sages, and the golden sun and the stone are the same? The stars are supposed to be pure alchemy in there respective element and when all four a used to light the lighthouses, their power collects at Sol Sanctum (basically the lighthouse for the sun), and merges into the Golden Sun, the Stone Of Sages.

I don't think I explained that well, but I think that it could be very likely.

[Ravenblade]

Hey thats a very good theory! Infact i think thats the one im going to settle on. It does make sense that they would all come together like that, afterall, the energy from the lighthouses was channelled into the Golden Sun werent they? Or did i just totally make that up x.x;;

[Ivan is my name]

The stone of stage was the thing that was created when the golden sun forms, but you never see it because the golden sun is split. The 3rd game will revolve around it, because if Alex survives, he will come and find Isaac and do something to get the golden sun and get the stone of sages. Thats what I think anyway

[gsninja]

Pretty much my thoughts exactly, I.i.m.n.

It seemed odd why the Stone of Sages was hardly mentioned in the GS games, so I had a thought that there should be a GS3 focusing around the Stone of Sages.

[DullahanX7]

They have to cast it into a place where no one can get it and Alex is trying to get the stone of sages first...

[Lyiana]

DullahanX7, on Feb 22 2005, 09:52 PM, said:

They have to cast it into a place where no one can get it and Alex is trying to get the stone of sages first...

I thought Alex was trying to get the "Golden Sun" to make his powers greater?

There is a stone of sages in achlemy.. I think so.. I thought that the references in that aspect were accurate..

Psynergy.. How do you pronounce this?

Psy- energy?
or sinergy?
I think the second.. My brother insists it's the first..

[Mars Djinni]

Woah, I remember seeing this topic a few weeks ago! <_< I'm not sure if that last post was an unneccecary revive, so I won't report it. Number two, you sorta went off topic at the end. There was a different topic that discussed the pronounciations...

[Lyiana]

Mars Djinni, on Mar 9 2005, 10:54 PM, said:

Woah, I remember seeing this topic a few weeks ago!  ^_^ I'm not sure if that last post was an unneccecary revive, so I won't report it. Number two, you sorta went off topic at the end. There was a different topic that discussed the pronounciations...

Is it really that big of a problem? My response included the proper context.. The second part was just so I wouldn't take up uneccessary space.. I am sorry if it seemed like something that was revelent at all.. I was just curious.

If it bothers you, I retract my statement..

Now that I think about it though.. Alex was trying to get what formed from the Golden Sun, right? Perhaps the Philosopher's stone and the Stone of Sages are the same thing, maybe they are completely different.. Like somebody said earlier, it may have to do with another game, or a branch off of the story.. There are a lot of little things about the game like this though, aren't there?

[Mars Djinni]

Lyiana, on Mar 11 2005, 05:20 PM, said:

Is it really that big of a problem?  My response included the proper context.. The second part was just so I wouldn't take up uneccessary space..  I am sorry if it seemed like something that was revelent at all.. I was just curious. 

If it bothers you, I retract my statement..

No, no it a big problem, I'm sorry I made such a big deal about it. (It's pronounced "SAI-ner-jee")

Anyways, yeah, the Stone of Sages had many names, The Philosopher's Stone is it's most well known name. (Harry Potter influence :wacko: ) So they're basically the same thing. I think Camelot touched on the Stone suspiciously too little. It could skyrocket into GS3.

[The Lord of the Morning]

The Stone of Sages is most definately Nicholas Flemel's Philosopher's Stone (he was a real person, not just made up for Harry Potter, he was the first person to claim to have found the Philosopher's Stone, but had hidden it because it was too powerful for any one person to wield). All of Kraden's words in the Elemental Star Room point towards this.

I do believe that the Elemental Stars are fragments of the Stone, but probably not in physical form; the pure elemental energy from the Stone of Sages, which is called the Golden Sun, was split into four different stones, which each radiate with a different elemental power. This would explain why when the Lighthouses are lit, their power gathers in the spot in the center between the 4 towers, at Mt Aleph, and create the Golden Sun once more. Then the Golden Sun gives shape to the Stone of Sages, which could be used by anyone. However, if someone were to bask in the brilliance of the Golden Sun, the Stone would become a part of them, transfused into their very veins.

Alex was there at the mountaintop, and thus he recieved the Stone as a part of him. However, the god-like powers of the Wise One were able to take back a part of the Golden Sun, and put it in the Mars Star.

I'm wondering, does this mean that without their elemental energy, which was put into the Golden Sun, the Elemental Stars are nothing but mere stones, or at least Psynergy Stones that can hold vast amounts of Psynergy? I don't think each Elemental Star needs to hold just it's Element, because otherwise Alex would have the complete control over everything BUT Fire. We all know that Alex couldn't summon up a powerful storm, and thus this means that the Wise One transfered over some of EACH type of Psynergy to the Mars Star, not just the Fire portion.

My other theory on the nature of this division would be that while Alex gained nearly endless life and nearly limitless power, and recieved somewhat stronger Psynergy (hence he can use all the elements), Isaac might have gotten 1/3 of the power of the Stone of Sages- A bit longer life, a bit more power, and a huge amount of control over Psynergy. If this theory is correct, then that means the Stone of Sages is designed for those three purposes: Immortality, Invincibility, and Infinite Psynergy.

[Dasius]

O.K this might be a bit odd but maybe the stone of sages reference is purly hypothetical (hee hee big word)
Maybe 'the golden sun gives birth to the stone of sages' does'nt actualy give birth to it directly...

Bear with me, when the golden sun shines all the civilisations start to experement with alchemy and advance their science yata yata. But they would'nt just do this alone, maybe the advancement of cilvilisation is a by-product of a search for something else namely the stone of sages.
Think about it, the people are wandering around like they normaly do waiting for some adventurer to talk to them when suddenly there is a huge explosion of golden light in the distance. They are exposed to the existance of alchemy so what do they do as tipical humans? They ether try to make a wepon out of it, or try to use it to, as the stone of sages does, prolong life and make gold.

So maybe instad of there being a big golden light and a stone apearing, mabye it gives the humans the inspiration to create it.

Another thing, does'nt Kraden say 'with a single gem you could conquer th world'? maybe implying thiers more than one? and Babi says he does'nt have it prehaps meaning that there is already one in circulation (the wise one?)

[Daedalus Knight]

My theory is that in thew Golden Age (when Lemuria was prosperous) the Stone of Sages was the physical form and embodiment of all Alchemy, otherwise known as the Golden Sun. When man started using the power of the Golden Sun for evil, six of the Seven Great Adepts sealed away its power into four stars, and created four elemental lighthouses to guard the secrets of Alchemy. The seventh adept was furious because he wanted the power of the Golden Sun for himself. He battled with the Wisest of the Six Great Adepts and turned him into a stone (the wise one). The other five used the last of their psynergy to rip his spirit from his body, and was cursed to roam the world of Weyard forever. This began the decline of the Golden Age.
The the spirit found Alex, many years after, and overshodowed him. He then teamed up with Saturos and Menardi, then Karst and Agatio, using them to light the lighthouses so the power of the Golden Sun would be his.

So basically the Stone of Sages is the Golden Sun, I think.

I got this "theory" with help from the best Golden Sun fanfictions I've read, A Whole New World and Golden Sun Four both by Hyper Mushrambo.

Sorry that it kind of branched of from the original topic, I got a little carried away.


I also agree that the stone of sages will probably be the baseline for Golden Sun 3.

[Mars Djinni]

Nice. My topic lives.

So anyways, what I'm looking for is not some fanfiction, but hard evidence by the game dialogue. The Golden Sun is the embodiment of Alchemy. So I wouldn't entirely say that the Golden Sun is the Stone. I'd like to assume that the four elemental stars are the seperated Stone, and the only thing it lacks is the light, the Golden Sun. Once it is infused with that, voila, we have the true Stone that can turn any metal into gold.

[Daedalus Knight]

I've been looking on other forums to see if anyone else is talking about it but I can't find anything yet. I'm still looking, though. There has to be some other people who are curious about it.

[isaac strife]

as far as Kraden is concerned the stone of sages is a source of what is potencially unlimited psynergy (the source of all alchemy), but he not aware that lighting the four beacons will reveal the stone at the top of mount aleph. however how Alex knew this I do not know.

[Mars Djinni]

I remeber reading about real-world Alchemy. The theory was that all of nature was made up of Fire (Ignis), Water (Aqua), Wind (Aer), or Earth (Terra). The Philosopher's stone, fountain of all Alchemy and deemed Stone of Sages, was said to be an equal amount of all four elements, but the equal amount had to be very potent and pure as well as condensed into a small form. That process that Lugh mentioned was supposedly how alchemists willed to acheive this. Hence the stone being created once the Golden Sun rose over mount Aleph. Since the Golden Sun is the power of Alchemy itself, and was transfered to Isaac, he is capable of creating the Stone as he as the raw materials. All he needs is a method to condense them. :P

Oh, and if you're looking for an Alchemist in real life, search Nicholas Flamel. No, He's real all right. JK Rowling didn't make him up. ;D