[mjc0961]

After learning Reveal, Hama says that your Reveal might not be strong enough yet. Now, I always went and helped Hsu after that, and then went on and Reveal worked fine. But, do you think that it might be possible that Reveal won't work until you save Hsu?

I think it's very possible that they did that to make you save Hsu before going through the desert. But I can't check it now. I already went through. So, what do you think?

[Golden Legacy]

Yeah, I was wondering about that... Good idea.

I voted "yes" but unfortunately, I believe the answer's no. Why? Simply because you don't need to save Hsu. I don't know this from GS1 (since I always saved him), but in GS2, Feizhi appears in Champa and will give you a Golden Ring only IF you saved Hsu (Ulmuch, as Feizhi says ^_^ )... From what I can infer... yeah.

[mjc0961]

Well, you could go through the desert without using Reveal... Just a lot of healing. Of course, wether or not you would be able to see the Manticore at the end of the desert remains a mystery too.

[Golden Legacy]

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Well, you could go through the desert without using Reveal... Just a lot of healing. Of course, wether or not you would be able to see the Manticore at the end of the desert remains a mystery too.

Sorry, you might have misinterpreted... you cannot progress through the game without using Reveal (like your example about the Manticore). You will eventually be obliged to...
Also, whether or not you save Hsu does NOT impact on Reveal's effects in anyway... but good idea, all the same.

[Nick Presta]

You can use reveal whether or not Hsu is saved.

It's optional.

[MysticWarrior]

Yeah, it's solely for the Golden Ring in gs2.

[Enoch]

So wait, If you don't go save the guy in the first game, then you don't get the golden ring in the second game? Is that a fact or are you all theorizing. Where can I find this as a fact.

[mjc0961]

Golden Legacy, on May 10 2004, 11:30 PM, said:

Sorry, you might have misinterpreted... you cannot progress through the game without using Reveal (like your example about the Manticore). You will eventually be obliged to...
Also, whether or not you save Hsu does NOT impact on Reveal's effects in anyway... but good idea, all the same.

No, you misunderstand. You can travel through the desert without Reveal. You don't need it until you actually get to the first hidden cave.

[MysticWarrior]

Enoch, on May 11 2004, 08:23 AM, said:

So wait, If you don't go save the guy in the first game, then you don't get the golden ring in the second game? Is that a fact or are you all theorizing. Where can I find this as a fact.

That is a fact. Check in every faqs, every golden sun site, and you get it. I also experienced it myself.

[Golden Legacy]

Yes, it is. Feizhi will ONLY appear in Champa if you transferred your data from GS1 ANd chose to save Hsu...

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No, you misunderstand. You can travel through the desert without Reveal. You don't need it until you actually get to the first hidden cave.

mjc0961... I never said that you couldn't go through Lamakan Desert without the aid of Reveal. You will need to use it on the Cave with the Manticore in waiting for you to progess through the game.

[mjc0961]

Whatever. We're trying to debate the same point right now. That's kinda dumb. But this made me think of another point.

Okay, you'll all agree that it's a fact that you need Reveal to get into Venus Lighthouse, correct? (I would hope you do, you need it to open that door.) And, Saturos and Menardi supposedly kidnapped Sheba so they could get into Venus Lighthouse, right? But, if Sheba didn't know Reveal yet, how did they open that door? Ooh, mystery!

[Enoch]

Thanks guys! Now I know what to do to get the golden ring. I thought that it would come up regardless.

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Okay, you'll all agree that it's a fact that you need Reveal to get into Venus Lighthouse, correct? (I would hope you do, you need it to open that door.) And, Saturos and Menardi supposedly kidnapped Sheba so they could get into Venus Lighthouse, right? But, if Sheba didn't know Reveal yet, how did they open that door? Ooh, mystery! 
Golden Legacy Posted on May 11 2004, 07:45 PM

Head scratcher, Well perhaps they had Alex warp them to the top. But I don't think Alex would do that for them nor would he be able to. It's an interesting thought though.

[Golden Legacy]

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Okay, you'll all agree that it's a fact that you need Reveal to get into Venus Lighthouse, correct? (I would hope you do, you need it to open that door.) And, Saturos and Menardi supposedly kidnapped Sheba so they could get into Venus Lighthouse, right? But, if Sheba didn't know Reveal yet, how did they open that door? Ooh, mystery!

Interesting point, mjc. But I've always thought that Saturos and Menardi had their own ways to reach the top (in other words, I think that they took different routes instead of the ones that we have to go through in the game). Think about it. Remember the "sandfalls"? Had they actually taken our exact path, then the sandfalls (not sure what to call it) would have remained...

but yeah, I agree with Enoch: Alex probably warped them across obstacles at various points...

[Blade Lord Lyn]

That's probably true, they couldn't possibly get through without one Adept of every type, which they didn't have.

[Golden Legacy]

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That's probably true, they couldn't possibly get through without one Adept of every type, which they didn't have.

Good point. But they had Felix, who was probably the key for Saturos and his party to enter Venus Lighthouse...

[Enoch]

Of coarse he was the key to get in, but the obstackles were the trickey part.

Wow, you guys dug this subject from the grave!

[Sol.Warrior]

I disagree. Technically you don't need to save Hsu, I know I didn't on my first go through Golden Sun.

[theblueflames]

Hmm... They must have found some secret entrance, because in the second one, Karst said Menardi and Saturos reasearched the lighthouses alot.

[Enoch]

This much is true. But I think they got most of their info from Kraden.

[theblueflames]

Yeah, so maybe Kraden knew another entrance....this is interesting...

[Enoch]

Probobly not another entrance, but how to access it mabey.

[theblueflames]

Yeah. Perhaps. :P This is pretty interesting.

EDIT: After playing through the game again up to the Babi Lighthouse, they say that they saw them go through the door for sure. But you need reveal to enter the door anyways.

[Alex]

nick1presta, on May 10 2004, 08:20 PM, said:

You can use reveal whether or not Hsu is saved.

It's optional.

That's the correct answer. You can use it as long as Master Hama or whatever has taught youy it. You do not have to save Hsu to use it.

[Lord Raenef]

wow, i just saved him because it sounded like a good thing to do, geezz i feel like i'm hearing a debate team

[GameGuy123]

theblueflames, on May 27 2004, 09:21 PM, said:

Hmm... They must have found some secret entrance, because in the second one, Karst said Menardi and Saturos reasearched the lighthouses alot.

I dont think so. (Correct me if im wrong) Mabye Saturous and Minardi where fused to make Fusion Dragon, whatever it was called, and opened the seal to the Venus Lighthouse. Didn't they say at the end of GS1 that when fussed they make Fusion Dragon? Mabye it wasn't the research, but thier powers that let them cross :huh:



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[Lord Raenef]

Just so ya know, I don't even know how they got in their, but I think your theroy might be right, i'm not picking sides... but its just a game, you don't have to get technical with it.... so yeah..... * covers her head * don't hurt me!

[Dullahan]

The no option is a little harsh isn't it?

Anyway i couldn't care less and bearly remember the part of the game you're talking about.

[Lord Raenef]

shut up... I don't want to hear it!

[Cosmos]

Interesting theory, but I am 100% sure that Reveal is not deemed useable by saving Hsu. I have played through Golden Sun without saving Hsu, and Reveal is perfectly useable. And anyway, I am pretty sure you use Reveal to save Hsu. You go around the rocks with that cave you use reveal to find, and then you lift the rock on Hsu.

[o0Yo FLipsideR JQ0o]

Loo, you remembered to save him? i forgot. Well, its already answered so ill shuit now.

[Lord Raenef]

I saved the little fat man.... it was easy.. and I got stuffs in the second for doing a good deed... I feel special!

[Mallick]

No way If it worked on Hsu it would have another place before that right, like that treasure chest at the north east part of the town thats good enough you could use it without saving Hsu thats what I think

[Lord Raenef]

you just confussed me...

[Nick Presta]

It has been determined that whether or not you save Hsu, reveal will still work. 100% of the time.

It's just something they say. "Your Reveal isn't too strong yet." That doesn't mean anything.

Just like in TLA: "You can't hover high yet, but after ime you will be able to hover over other things." Your hover height never actually changes but whatever.

Just little things in order to try and presuade the player to do things.

[Primal]

Yeah, I never even thought about this. It is obvious that reveal will always work regardless of saving Hsu...

[Lord Raenef]

hmmm... I just thought saving the fat guy was a good thing....

[Primal]

It's part of the story though isn't it? So you kinda have to do it.

[Lord Raenef]

Well some people didn't do it... and they seem fine... but still.. I wanted to save the fat guy.. wait.. is Hsu fat? Or am I imagining things again?

[TorrentLord]

It can be part of the story. However, if you don't save him, IIRC, someone else will.

And I think I remember him being fat, too.

[Lord Raenef]

okay.. I thought he had a pugy face.. he reminded me of a dog.... oh well.. but I saved the fat mans life! He owes me way more than that stupid Golden Braclet thingy! He owes me his life!!! He should of given me some money.. or at least teach me to swim... hmmmmm... I wonder what it would look like if your little guy was swiming... * thinks * tee hee! looks funny!

[ForteGX]

He could give you exp.

[Lord Raenef]

yeah sure.. fat man can do that....

[ForteGX]

Actually, I have no idea what we're talking about, I just responded to something you said about Hsu.

What's this guy's "theory".

[BloodPhoenix]

once you learn reveal, you can go left of a little river and use it to get a chest, so it really doesn't make any different, it's just something she says!

[Teblor Tribe]

You can use reveil as soon as you get it. It dosn't matter if you save Hsu or not.

[Echo_djinn]

No actually when i first played the game i didn't help hsu then i remebered that i should but i was to late hamma said they found him and he is ok..so reveal still worked saving hsu is just a side quest

[Teblor Tribe]

But did you still get the Golden Ring in GS2?

[Echo_djinn]

No cause i deleted that file to start a new one and on that file i did save hsu and got the golden ring.

[Teblor Tribe]

Ya I was just wondering if you tried.

[Echo_djinn]

Well wonder no longer Teblor Tribe

[Teblor Tribe]

Ok but I Always Rescue Hsu. Because it is so easy and dosn't take very long.

[SolAngel]

It might be a side quest, like you have a choice to save Hammet. I don't know, I never tried doing that...I'd say your theroy is correct.

[Echo_djinn]

yea saving hammet is also another side quest but i think if u want the full gaming experience it is a must to go save hammet

[Teblor Tribe]

Too get all the Djinn and it adds to the story line.

[Lightning Star]

I myself have never tried doing it anyother way, I'd say it might be correct. but i dunno :(

[Golden Legacy]

If you save Hammet in GS1, you will be able to get the Mercury Djinni "Tonic" from Lunpa Fortress. Also, if you transfer your data, you will receive an Orhialcon (sp?). But that's off-topic...

Basically, whether you decide to save Hsu does NOT impact Reveal's effects or capabilities in anyway.

[BloodPhoenix]

basically revel doesn't change in anyway, it just what ivans sister ses!

[ForteGX]

I'm lost...isn't rescuing Hsu optional?

[Echo_djinn]

Yea it is but it is almost a must to go rescue him if u want all the praise and the golden ring in TLA.

[Teblor Tribe]

Ya it's optional. But it's very easy.

[BloodPhoenix]

I've never not rescued him, so i'm not sure if it's optional, but when you do don't they open up the road? i'm not sure because i've never had to go back?

[My Best Wishes]

Blood pheonix don't bump old topics just for your two cents.

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[Silo STATIC]

Wow, another one. Way to go, BP! You're keeping me in a job! </sarcasm>

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