[Lightning Star]

I don't know if any of you heard, but in the united states, the law that gives the US right to put ilegal imigrants in jail is being forced more than ever. but protesters are also crowding the streets, mostly from mexico-- its actually taking place about 30 miles from where I live o.O. some schools in arizona and california actually went into lock down to keep teens from protesting. To make matters worse, some came with guns x.x

so is it right that the U.S. puts people who cross ilegaly in jail? or do they have a right to be here? discuss.

[PDM]

First of all it's illegally.

Secondly, they're crossing ILLEGALLY. Think of the consequences for doing something illegal. Hmm. Maybe jail-time?

[Lightning Star]

haha, I know. but what I'm saying is (and I'm not vouching for them, personally I think they're stupid to be protesting for doing something wrong) should it not be illegal to come into the u.s. without doing all that crap? thats what they're saying. I just heard on a news that a riot broke out between the anti protesters and, you guessed it, the protesters.

This post has been edited by lightningstar: 10 April 2006 - 10:29 PM

[PDM]

Personally I think the law is fine how it is. They shouldn't get to 'climb over a fence' and get to live in America when other people go through the EXTREMELY frustrating way, which takes a lot longer.

[Eugine]

I agree also PDM, the laws should be enforced completely. I think they should do it the diplomatic way, go to an embassy, get a visa or a green card THEN visit the USA.
The majority of crime in the world comes from Mexico, why bring them to your country?

Anyway, some people argue that the Mexicans acquire jobs Americans reject, filling the gap of the American economy, then what's so hard with heading to an embassy showing them your situation?

[Someone Else]

I'm surprised this wasn't made earlier.

Eugine and PDM can't have a real opinion since they're not in the US firstly.

Okay, think of it this way. It's not JUST the Mexicans, it effects most everyone who live in the US and those that wish to come to the US. It takes a very, very, very long time to get to the US the legal way, and a lot of people trying to get to the US need to get here fast; particularily Asian people and Indian people. Also try to remember that not all people who migrate illegally are bad people, although it might seem that way.

From what I know, I don't think it's the illegal immigration laws that need to be boosted, it's the immigration system itself.

[MysticWarrior]

My school has lots of mexicans, and they once walked out of their classes to protest. I go, "Meh."

Anyways, this immigration thing is stupid. Of course it should be passed. One would think ILLEGAL immigration should be MADE ILLEGAL. They don't even have to pay taxes. We, the normal citizens, pay for them. Go to jail, you hoozies.

[Echo_djinn]

People should just come to Canada. We have enough land to fit them all. As a immigrant myself I find Canada quite pleasant. Quite.

[My Best Wishes]

Step up the laws. We have the same problem with 'boat people' coming to Australia. I'm probably going to sound racist but as MW said 'Meh'. They come here illegally, cost us money and when they finally become citizens, they sue for poor treatment, WTF! And when they are released into the community they have either very very very basic English or none at all.

On the news a fair bit ago they analysed the requirements to become a citizen here compared to the states, the UK and Canada. I think the states they need English and a bit of knowledge about history. To enter Australia they don't even have to pass an English test.

Last point, my friend moved here from South Africa. He had to live in New Zealand for 4 years before they could live here, compared too illegally coming in and refusing to leave.

[TheEnglishman]

I remember the news saying they wanted immigrants to do a 'Britishness test' if they came over here. I think it was meant to be similar to the set up in America.

[pHantOm]

It is predicted that Spanish will soon become the dominant language in the US.

Bull****

Stay in your own God damn country and live like a poor hobo there instead of in the US.

Although, not sure if you little ones know but the illegals actually help our economy. They keep our oranges at under a dollar, they keep all foods cheap.

Cheap Labor=Lower Prices on the goods

So they HELP the economy, but they also are costing Americans jobs. So its how you look at it. But one things for sure, I say it should be martial law on the boarder. Shoot any immagrant thats jumping a fence on sight, thats my opinion.

[My Best Wishes]

Well, that was blunt. I guess the cheap labour also applies here in Aus. Many workers are shipping to different parts of the country where there are more immagrants, and many companies ship people from overseas, but wow pHantOm.

[pHantOm]

watch, on Apr 12 2006, 07:33 AM, said:

Well, that was blunt. but wow pHantOm.

Obviously you dont know what happened do you?

Do you know how much crimes such as murders, rapes, theft and other things happen because of the illegals? I I lived on the boarder of California for a long time. I saw the sh*t that happens because of it, my dads a cop and he lost a friend because a illegal had a gun when he robbed a thift shop.

Real cool huh?

So for all you forgeiners, you dont know sh*t.

[PDM]

WD, does that mean we can't have opinions on the war in iraq and america? The iranians with their nuclear factories as of late? We can still have an opinion. 'Sides. Getting into Canada as an american citizen is extremely easy, so it could affect Canada too.

[pHantOm]

Lifeform288, on Apr 12 2006, 09:15 AM, said:

WD, does that mean we can't have opinions on the war in iraq and america? The iranians with their nuclear factories as of late? We can still have an opinion. 'Sides. Getting into Canada as an american citizen is extremely easy, so it could affect Canada too.

I intend to move to Canada when I am older.

[Kemosabi]

What I find unfortunate is that the illegals who get thrown into jail INTENDED to be put there! It's a way of getting a trial and maybe, just maybe, some way to become a citizen scott-free. I have a problem with that, but not with legal immigrants.

[My Best Wishes]

pHantOm, on Apr 12 2006, 09:45 PM, said:

Obviously you dont know what happened do you?

Do you know how much crimes such as murders, rapes, theft and other things happen because of the illegals? I I lived on the boarder of California for a long time. I saw the sh*t that happens because of it, my dads a cop and he lost a friend because a illegal had a gun when he robbed a thift shop.

Real cool huh?

So for all you forgeiners, you dont know sh*t.

I realize I know very little of the effect illegal immagrants have in America. I was merely surprised because I don't think I've ever seen such an outburst from you.

[pHantOm]

watch, on Apr 12 2006, 03:37 PM, said:

I realize I know very little of the effect illegal immagrants have in America. I was merely surprised because I don't think I've ever seen such an outburst from you.

Yeah I did reply quite harshly, but only because we lost a friend about 8 years back because of an illegal robbing a thrift shop for some cash. So, I guess my opinion is very harsh.

[Someone Else]

That was a bad comment from me. People at least in the America can and should have opinions, but not everyone else so much.

Would type more but must go.

[Toasty]

The problem with the Mexicans that migrate here, is that most of them, once they get here, feel like us US citizens owe them everything. They're stuck up, don't pay taxes, and worst of all, they get mad when they're being taught stuff, like how to speak english, or they get mad from something else and bring guns to school. Though I only say MOST of them, cause I know some fairly nice people who are mexican. I even have a family of mexicans as neighbors, who I have known for probably 5 years.

Basicaly, I don't like illegal imigrants. Mainly the mexican ones. But even some of them are nice, and just glad to be in a place where people aren't telling them what to think, or something like that. Though I don't know if my neighbors are illeagals, but I presume they came the legal way, or were born here.

[Sea of Time]

"Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better." - George Bush

I just thought I'd start this out with a stupid Bush quote. Anyways, it is a whole lot easier to get into Canada then it is to get into the U.S. This is mostly because we are welcoming to immigrants because of our multicultural policy. Also, there are a lack of specialized jobs and we need more people to fill those jobs.

As for the American policy, I think they are justly hard because illegal immigration is wrong. Mexicans should not just be able to live here because they "hopped the fence".

[Blink]

I agree with Phantom, it's wrong for illegal immigrants to come over here and treat us like sh*t, complain, whine, and expect us to solve their problems. If you're not a US citizen, you shouldn't be treated as one. It should be something you earn if you immigrate. I think that if you can prove you have a well paying job within a month of coming over, and have a secured residence, you should get a green card. Otherwise though, it should be back to wherever with ya.

I do think we should give people more chances to become citizens, but that we should be more strict about actually preventing anyone from getting over the border without some kind of temporary pass. We don't want people coming over that hope to constantly rob the "filthy rich Americans" like Phantom's case, but at the same time, I myself know a few illegal immigrants that are my classmates, and because they had to work to get into the school I'm in, are learning all the good morals our school teaches( it's a catholic school run by Jesuits), and pay a very expensive tuition, or have earned the trust, respect and help of my school, I really respect them for that. The ones I know are good guys, they all try to do the best they can in their classes, and I think that there's a good portion of immigrants that are harderworking that we are.

So, it's a fine balance between good and bad. I don't think that all illegal immigrants run around shooting people, but I don't think they're all perfect either. Choose what you will, but I still think that we should have some way to make it easier to get in legally, with some form of temporary "trust" pass. (and yes, I realize that would be near impossible to do)

[Lightning Star]

I heard this last night on the news

"we didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!"

first off, let me start by saying how FLAWED that was. If you were around when america BOUGHT the territory, you could've moved or stayed and became american. Thats another concept. BUYING what you own. people think they can waltz across the border for free, steal someones Identity, and live off our taxes. that right there is laziness and lack of morals. if we have a flood of people like that, come into our country, who's gonna stop it? before you know it, it'll have poisoned the rest of america.

another thing I find idotic, is why the heck they come over here, only to turn around and burn one of our flags during their little protest. its like saying "I want to come here so I can say america is stupid."

if these people lack common sense, why the hell should we let them in?

[Golden Legacy]

Mr.T, on Apr 13 2006, 01:44 AM, said:

The problem with the Mexicans that migrate here, is that most of them, once they get here, feel like us US citizens owe them everything. They're stuck up, don't pay taxes, and worst of all, they get mad when they're being taught stuff, like how to speak english, or they get mad from something else and bring guns to school. Though I only say MOST of them, cause I know some fairly nice people who are mexican. I even have a family of mexicans as neighbors, who I have known for probably 5 years.

Basicaly, I don't like illegal imigrants. Mainly the mexican ones. But even some of them are nice, and just glad to be in a place where people aren't telling them what to think, or something like that. Though I don't know if my neighbors are illeagals, but I presume they came the legal way, or were born here.

lightningstar, on Apr 14 2006, 06:40 PM, said:

I heard this last night on the news

"we didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!"

first off, let me start by saying how FLAWED that was. If you were around when america BOUGHT the territory, you could've moved or stayed and became american. Thats another concept. BUYING what you own. people think they can waltz across the border for free, steal someones Identity, and live off our taxes. that right there is laziness and lack of morals. if we have a flood of people like that, come into our country, who's gonna stop it? before you know it, it'll have poisoned the rest of america.

another thing I find idotic, is why the heck they come over here, only to turn around and burn one of our flags during their little protest. its like saying "I want to come here so I can say america is stupid."

if these people lack common sense, why the hell should we let them in?

I agree with both of these statements. In what way does an illegal immigrant deserve (and even demand) the same rights as those citizens who've had to work hard just to live and provide themselves and their families a decent life?

Just the very fact that the US isn't doing more to remove and deport immigrants should be enough.

[isaac2112]

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'Mr.T' date='Apr 12 2006, 10:44 PM' post='245535']
The problem with the Mexicans that migrate here, is that most of them, once they get here, feel like us US citizens owe them everything. They're stuck up, don't pay taxes, and worst of all, they get mad when they're being taught stuff, like how to speak english, or they get mad from something else and bring guns to school. Though I only say MOST of them, cause I know some fairly nice people who are mexican. I even have a family of mexicans as neighbors, who I have known for probably 5 years.

Basicaly, I don't like illegal imigrants. Mainly the mexican ones. But even some of them are nice, and just glad to be in a place where people aren't telling them what to think, or something like that. Though I don't know if my neighbors are illeagals, but I presume they came the legal way, or were born here.

Your first paragraph says "mexicans that migrate" here. It should say "Illegal immagrants that come here illegaly". I meen I am part mexican. My step-mom is a migrate from mexico. I have no problem with mexicans migrating here legally. Its when They do it illegaly is when it is wrong. And as for that stupid day without a latino...that was stupid. We are not racist againts latinos, its just that most of the [u]ILLEGAL immagrants are latino. If you want to get in america thats great, there is a legal way to do it. And learn the language of the land.

[Toasty]

Sorry about that. :P I meant the ones that cross illegally, and really, anyone else who does so too. We just have a bigger problem with the Mexicans. I'm okay with the ones that cross legaly though, or at least, cross illegaly, but try to work hard to earn their stay. :)

[isaac2112]

I would rather have them come legal and work hard. Instead of cutting in front of line ahead of the good immagrants that work there way up. The illegals are like " let us in so we can work...but we wont learn the languange and wont pay taxes" they only come here for the economy, they dont give a damn about america.

[Platinum Sun]

The problem is, they think that living in America is a free ride and that everything is given to them here. But the only way to get something is to take it from someone else, it's the American way.

[isaac2112]

Can you go into more detail into what you are saying platinum, I didn't fully understand that.

[Platinum Sun]

Glad to.

What immigrants don't know is that all the great stuff we get (healthcare, hospitals, public school etc.) is paid for by taxes. They think that it's free because... America is hiding a secret jellybean farm filled with unicorns where all the money comes from. well I don't really know why they think everything is free in America but the point is:
When illegal immigrants use these services without paying the taxes that fund them, it puts a terrible strain on our governmant's logistical system. (That's why Medicaid and social security are in the toilet, and one of many contributing factors to our $6Trillion+ National debt.) Illegal immigrants are getting a free ride is here because legal immigrants and other citizens are paying for it.

[isaac2112]

Now that I know what you are talking about...I agree with every word of it. Illegal imagrants demand citizenship in america..Well guess what you are illegal, which meens that you should be deported or put in jail. They don't pay taxes, they talk crap about america, don't know the language of the land, and ARE ONLY HERE FOR THE MONEY.

And I hate the fact that stupid liberals are saying that they have rights under the contstitution. NO THEY DON'T THEY ARE ILLEGAL. And another point liberals try to make is that they do jobs that americans wont do. Do you really think that america would die because the illegals arent here?

America has a very good citezenship system. You come here legally and go through the process, and only then do you become a citezen.

[Golden Legacy]

Although to be fair, the process itself is cumbersome, unless you already have links with another citizen (i.e. if the spouse, or another family member, is a citizen himself).

~2222~

[Lemontime]

If someone is forced out of their own country because of famine, poverty or just plain crime, shouldn't the human rights be enforced, allowing them a safe life in a safe country, to work all the jobs that you fat americans reject. What I say may be harsh, but it's true. If all the imigrants were kicked out of your country, boy, you guys would die.

[Platinum Sun]

If all the illegal immigrants were kicked out we'd be fine. If fact, things would be better. Yes, since indians have been all but erradicated, America is composed almost entirely of immigrants. The point is that the majority of them are legal and pay taxes.

[isaac2112]

sibsag, on Sep 1 2006, 04:39 AM, said:

If someone is forced out of their own country because of famine, poverty or just plain crime, shouldn't the human rights be enforced, allowing them a safe life in a safe country, to work all the jobs that you fat americans reject. What I say may be harsh, but it's true. If all the imigrants were kicked out of your country, boy, you guys would die.

Forced out of their own country? The illegal immagrants aren't forced to hop the border are they?

Yes mexico is not a very good country to live in but as i said before there is a legal way to get into our america. You get in line behind everyone else who actually is trying to become a good citizen of america. and about there human rights so they can be in a safe country....thats bull, they aren't here to be safe, they dont give a damn about america, they don't want to learn the language of the land... all they come here for is the money. They come here to work. They dont care about becoming a citezen.

and about that stupid comment about the jobs that "we fat americans reject." Do you honestly think that without ILLEGAL immagrants that our economy and our country would die? Do you remember that stupid day on may 1st called "the day w.o. a latino" (which by the way is so stupid and ignorant because we are not targeting latinos, we are targeting illegal immagrants who mostly are mexican and are coming through the mexican border) well, america didn't get majorly hurt that day. In fact i think I need another "day without a taco" so that all the bad drivers are off the road, so that i can actually understand the guy working on repairing my home.

The sad thing is is that Bush is not doing a thing about it. He just keeps talking about it, but isn't doing jive.

[Toasty]

Actaully, he is. There's plans to make a giant barricade covering the U.S./Mexican border. It will even have motion sensors placed atop very tall towers, and guards all along the barricade.

But I agree. They come here, but don't bother to learn the language, OR pay taxes. Since they aren't leagal citizens, they don't show up on the bill collectors list. That is one major reason why they are hurting us. Not only that, but it seems like they come here, to a better country then they were in, just to protest about "how mean we are." They just want to take us over!

[pHantOm]

The US is starting to buff up secrurity on the Canadian boarder aswell sadly...Its going to make things much more difficult for me to visit Francesca. I am currently applying for a visa.

[Toasty]

Hmm, but why the Canadian border? We don't really have a problem there.

[pHantOm]

Mr.T, on Sep 24 2006, 10:14 PM, said:

Hmm, but why the Canadian border? We don't really have a problem there.

Terrorists come in through thier lenient boarders then down to ours.

[My Best Wishes]

Wind Dude, on Sep 22 2006, 08:18 AM, said:

Okay, I'm not going to name any countries here but some of them really need to get their head out of... where ever it is.

Yes I edited WD's quote.

I agree with the Immigration laws. Australia is currently changing theirs making it more difficult to become a citizen. Gone are the days where Australians are having trouble going about their business because of others.

[Split Infinity]

They're discussing whether they should ask immigrants a series of ten questions about Australian culture and history in order to be let in. That's crap. How could some poor family from Afghanistan, shipping over to Australia to avoid getting their house bombed into smithereens, possibly know who Don Bradman is? Or the national anthem? There are a lot of Australians who even don't know it themselves.

The only thing that seems sensible is to provide a basic English class for all immigrants of a foreign tongue, so that they can handle everyday situations such as asking for directions or buying new clothes.

[My Best Wishes]

Split Infinity, on Sep 25 2006, 11:23 PM, said:

They're discussing whether they should ask immigrants a series of ten questions about Australian culture and history in order to be let in. That's crap. How could some poor family from Afghanistan, shipping over to Australia to avoid getting their house bombed into smithereens, possibly know who Don Bradman is? Or the national anthem? There are a lot of Australians who even don't know it themselves.

The only thing that seems sensible is to provide a basic English class for all immigrants of a foreign tongue, so that they can handle everyday situations such as asking for directions or buying new clothes.

Anyone one born in Australia who doesn't know who Don Bradman is should have to listen to Kim Beasly for 15 hours a day. I think it's good they are introducing these new laws Split. English classes at least should be held. And they should know the National Anthem. They should also need to support Collingwood in AFL :P

[isaac2112]

Can we get back on topic here? This is immigration laws for the U.S. It says that. Please get back on topic XD

[Hotshot101]

This is the one thing i don't agree with Bush on and the republicans don't like it either. I don't want illegals taking jobs from American citizens i say we need more guards at the border.

[pHantOm]

Some of you I dont know how you can justify ILLEGAL immigrants comming into the United States. Mexico sucks, tough sh*t, we have our own problems to worry about. Whoever says illegals should be allowed in the US for any reason needs to get thier head examined. You liberals i'll tell you, you will be the death of America I swear.

[Toasty]

Hotshot101, on Oct 29 2006, 07:19 AM, said:

I don't want illegals taking jobs from American citizens i say we need more guards at the border.

Bush is doing exactly that.
And I entirely agree with you phantom. They want to give terrorists rights in America, and let illeagals run us into the ground. But that's why everyone else (all the countries who liked Clinton) likes them, because they're hurting America.

[Eugine]

hmm, even if you won't admit it, illegal immigrants and forced labour helped America reach where it is now.

Most Americans have a pride (it's said in every news network and it's pretty obvious also) to not do "low class work" such as picking fruits, working agricultural lands, door-to-door work and much more. When Americans refuse it, you know who do it? The illegal immigrants who migrate for better conditions. The low class jobs for the Americans now become opportunities for the migrants. They do two to three jobs just to make sure their family from their native country are fed. This helps the American economy greatly. If all illegal immigrants were deported it will hurt the American economy greatly.
That's not all, American businesses has been notorious for hiring illegal immigrants so they won't pay social benefits to the government. That's why the government is now fining businesses who hire illegal workers. Even worse, when the workers reach about fifty years the employers firer them so they won't have to get retiree benefits, and the worker can't complain because he's illegal.
So, remove the illegal immigrants and trust me, your economy will suffer, most government officials know that. If you haven't realise, the black economy usually sums up to a 1/3 of a country's economy.

[Toasty]

We're not so prideful to do "low class work". Most of the illgal imigrants think that America owes them the world. Trust me, there's a classroom full of them at my school. They think everybody owes them because that's how they think America works. I don't think for one bit that we'd suffer from losing illegal imigrants. There's plenty of unemployed people to do the work they do. Now, sure, there are some nice people who are illegal imigrants, but most of them? They wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone. They come here and leech off of us. They don't pay taxes, they start riots becasue they feel they're being treated unfairly (well their going to be treated poorly if they're illegal and won't pay taxes), and they treat us like we're supposed to go with their every whim.

[Eugine]

Well, you may have a point. But, America was built on illegal migrants and slavery, like it or not. Most businesses bloomed because of it because of the benefits.
Maybe now, you guys don't need them so well, time to "ship" them back.

[Golden Legacy]

I think the issue isn't that immigrants aren't necessary for the economy (I agree with you that they are, at least to an extent), the issue is more of the "American pride", of how those immigrants came here.

[Toasty]

Personally, I think it's about how they're hurting us more than helping. They may fill in the jobs that apparently "we're to prideful to do," but they don't pay taxes, or obey all the laws. That's more harmful to our economy than it is helpful. Take a look at the show "dirty jobs" on the Discovery channel. I highly doubt there's so many of us who are unwilling to do this kind of work, that we'll whither away and die.

[Platinum Sun]

I know that my life wouldn't collapse if there were no Mexicans around to pick our peaches.

[Eugine]

Wow, how vain. We're talking generally here.

Anyway, I'm repeating myself >.<, said what I gotta' say already.

[Hotshot101]

The fact is eugine that most of the immagrants here just cause trouble instead of help us sure some do work but as Mr.t said they don't pay taxes which don't help us and some turn out to be murders, thieves, and other criminals. This don't help us one bit. This is why we want immagrants to use green cards and get citizenship (although the ones that don't obey us will still do that). The immigrants cause more trouble then good.

[Ravenblade]

I have to say, people in Britain have similar thoughts to most of you regarding immigration laws - illegal immigrants steal jobs and damage the economy. Im inclined to agree since the immigrants we get (Muslim refugees) make almost no effort to integrate into the community and just seem to complain about how they're treated by society all the time.

So basically, were i to assume the position of an american in this debate, yes i would want them locked up or thrown back out of the country - i dont think its unreasonable.

[pHantOm]

Because its not unreasonable, its the price you pay for comming illegally.

Let me define illegal for you dumbasses.

Illegal
Adj
Definition: Prohibited by law.

Man, thats hard to grasp isnt it?
http://en.wikipedia....gal_immigration
Illegal immigration refers to the illegal immigration of people across national borders in a way that violates the immigration laws of the country of destination.

Tough concept. I dont give a sh*t if that mexican lost his leg trying to get over the boarder, send his ass back as is.

A burgler breaks into a home through a window, falls and breaks his leg. He then SUES the houseowners for his injuries, and WINS. Is that justified? No.

[Toasty]

^ Actually read that this time Eugine. You might just learn a little something about Laws. You don't really have a problem with imigration since you country pretty much locked itself up and away from others. You don't really have a good view on this.

[Eugine]

hm? Research some more on "Grenada". You definetly have the wrong outlook on it X.X.

Anyway, I never said illegal immigrants were right, I simply said it helps the American economy.
The illegality itself helps American businesses compete on the world market, because while they get cheap labour and pay no benefits to workers. Other international businesses pay taxes to their government and provide social benefits.
Who will be able to compete more effectively on the world market? The American businesses. It may not be as rampant as before, but before it helped America, especially in the 1990s.

... but then, like I said, maybe it's time for the government to "kick them out", they don't need manual labour anymore, they have technology...

[pHantOm]

It helps us to some extent, the ones that decide to work help us. But a large portion of illegal immigrants actually turn to theft as a primary source of income. Then when they get arrest they a)go to prison, absorbing more money from taxpayers. B ) Get sent back, which is nice. :D

[Toasty]

Not only that, they attempt to put the blame on us because "we're so unfair to imigrants."

***###~~~1337~~~###***

[Eugine]

Well, I have to agree with you to an extent. Most migrants to USA are uneducated people who migrate on propaganda.
Before, educated people migrated illegally and built their way up helping America, but now they remain at home...

So well, I guess its sensible to tighten the laws now, but I still stand with my point. Illegal migrants helped America to become what it is...

[Toasty]

I can agree with that. Imigrants have helped us to become what we are now, infact, we're basically a country of imigrants. But now, the illlegal imigrants are running rampid, and something has to be done about it.

[My Best Wishes]

Bush signs bill for U.S.-Mexico border fenc

I think Immigration laws need to be tougher. If people cannot answer a few questions about the nations history or at least cannot speak basic english don't let them in. They will just be a burdern. Small fact though, for Australia at least. Our last cenus showed that our child birth population was declining, our population was only increasing becuase of Immigrants.

[pHantOm]

But kicking them out would hurt them watch, possibly cause hundreds maybe even thousands of deaths do to starvation in Mexico. Just what we need another thing to add to your list of US rants.

[My Best Wishes]

That is in response to what? The article or my opinion on Immigration laws?

[Toasty]

And it's not just a fence, it has motion sensors, ditches (to keep vehicles from crashing through), sentinel towers with guards, barbed wire, electric wire, and a bunch of other stuff too.

[pHantOm]

watch, on Nov 1 2006, 04:35 AM, said:

That is in response to what? The article or my opinion on Immigration laws?

Your opinion

" And it's not just a fence, it has motion sensors, ditches (to keep vehicles from crashing through), sentinel towers with guards, barbed wire, electric wire, and a bunch of other stuff too."

Haha beat that Great Wall of China!