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America - The Super Nation Yay 4 America!

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    Posted 16 September 2006 - 09:49 AM

    So as some of you may have heard, China is adopting more and more of a modern lifestyle everyday. Nowadays, you could visit a Chinese city and what you would find is a lifestyle and culture that wouldn't appear too out of place to someone who lives in New York City (ehh, GL?).

    Good for China! :)

    But what this means is, that as China advances in researches in the fields of science an technology, China's crazy population will give them a super army. The way China is going these days, things only improve, and America may finally be dethroned in the title of being "The Super Nation".

    Thoughts?

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      Posted 16 September 2006 - 09:55 AM

      China definately has the population advantage. They don't even need the technology. They have one friggin' billion people! That could canoe over here and put up a good fight. And they're a lot better at surviving than we are. Think about it, who's going to win? Ling tao who can kill a deer with a shaft of bamboo and subsist on pea pods for two weeks, or Frank who just figured out how to balance a beer on his belly button because the coffee table was too far from the couch?

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        Posted 16 September 2006 - 03:46 PM

        Or Joe that can survive on a fish and a breadstick for three months? GI's anyone? They survived on about that much food on missions. It was on the history channel.

        Yes, they do have huge amount of people, much more than us infact, but even their sheer numbers won't save them from technology. Nukes, cruise missles, advanced SAM's, supersonic stealth aircraft. Not to mention our infantries weaponry. If they attack, and we still have much more advanced wepons than they do, they'll still put up a tough fight, no doubt about that, but just because of our advanced weapons, we will have the upperhand.

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          Posted 16 September 2006 - 04:10 PM

          HMM... I really don't think a war will decide who'll be the new super power, I think it'll be more democratic.

          American companies (actually practically all companies) are outsourcing many of their jobs to China & India because of costs, efficiency and productivity. Yeah, this creates alot of jobs in the Chinese economy but most of the money is outsourced back to America but it still helps China.

          What I believe helped China the most during the years is the patriotism (perse) they have. Most Western teenagers don't really care where they get their gadgets and clothes from, they just want to save money, they hardly care whether something was made by Americans in America, they just buy... Chinese on the other hand... care, especially the urbanized Chinese. They prefer to buy local products rather than foreign (they frown on Japanese products I think)...

          Chinese are also very discipline, and mostly always get the job done rather than Westeners who usually prefer to have a social life or just have fun.

          Also, America to be specific before depended on foreign people to develop its country, most foreigners after completing their education at American universities before migrated to USA permenantly because of the better standards of living, but they're finally starting to "wise up" and attend local unversities or return back to ther country of birth (which I think mostly was China once again).

          So, all these things plus more important ones, contribute to China's rapid economic growth since the great minds are remaining in China, advancing, empowering and still keeping their faith in China. Development hasn't removed their minds from old concepts that has kept their economy alive or make their children astray. Come on, lets be more Chinese.

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            Posted 16 September 2006 - 04:22 PM

            I think one thing that could lead to our demise, is that most americans hate america. Whether they wer born here, or migrated, they hate our government, regardless of how much better their lifestyle is usually. If you hate it so much, go back home. If you can't then shut up! The more people IN our country, that want to see it conquered/defeated/whatever, the weaker our country gets. The weaker we get, the more likely we are to fall. I for one, do not want to see that happen.

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              Posted 16 September 2006 - 07:14 PM

              Yeah, I didn't really mean for this to be a discussion about a war with China vs. America, that's the last thing that I really want... but whatever makes you guys happy.

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                  Posted 16 September 2006 - 07:54 PM

                View PostEugine, on Sep 16 2006, 06:10 PM, said:

                They prefer to buy local products rather than foreign (they frown on Japanese products I think)...


                Selling Japanese rice is illegal in China. 0.0

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                  Posted 16 September 2006 - 08:03 PM

                  Well, if it isn't through war, then eventually China may become the next super power by some other means.

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                    Posted 17 September 2006 - 04:50 AM

                    The only problem I have againest China being the next superpower is the language. Will English still reign supreme? Or will I have to learn Chinese. Becuase some people have enough trouble with English.

                    America or China? China.

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                      Posted 17 September 2006 - 07:14 AM

                      View Postwatch, on Sep 17 2006, 06:50 AM, said:

                      America or China? China.

                      Are you insane?

                      The chinese government although IMPROVING still is very communist. You should be punched in the face for that comment.

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                        Posted 17 September 2006 - 07:24 AM

                        View PostPlatinum Sun, on Sep 16 2006, 05:55 PM, said:

                        Think about it, who's going to win? Ling tao who can kill a deer with a shaft of bamboo and subsist on pea pods for two weeks, or Frank who just figured out how to balance a beer on his belly button because the coffee table was too far from the couch?


                        Hahha that made me laugh! :lol: Good one.

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                          Posted 17 September 2006 - 07:50 AM

                          View PostEugine, on Sep 16 2006, 06:10 PM, said:

                          What I believe helped China the most during the years is the patriotism (perse) they have. Most Western teenagers don't really care where they get their gadgets and clothes from, they just want to save money, they hardly care whether something was made by Americans in America, they just buy... Chinese on the other hand... care, especially the urbanized Chinese. They prefer to buy local products rather than foreign (they frown on Japanese products I think)...

                          Also, America to be specific before depended on foreign people to develop its country, most foreigners after completing their education at American universities before migrated to USA permenantly because of the better standards of living, but they're finally starting to "wise up" and attend local unversities or return back to ther country of birth (which I think mostly was China once again).

                          Chinese goods are looked at as low quality here in the us, people dont buy them unless they cant afford better quality. They are cheap because china has such low standards of living, the little money we pay them is more than enough to satisfy them.

                          The US depends on forigners simply because we have to bring in more resources than any other country to support itself. Being the highest developed nation takes alot of power. Not only that, but trading is just as benificial to us as it is to china. Think about this:

                          The us and china both grow wheat and cotton, the us can grow 6 bails of cotton and 6 bails of wheat per acre and they use 100 acres of land. China can grow 1 bail of cotton and 3 bails of wheat per acre and they use 100 acres of land.

                          US: 6 cotton - 6 Wheat
                          China: 1 cotton - 3 wheat

                          now lets pretend they both want to have an equal amount of cotton and wheat.

                          So the US uses 50 acres for cotton, and 50 acres for wheat.

                          6 x 50 = 300 cotton
                          6 x 50 = 300 wheat

                          And china uses its acreage differently, using 25 acres for cotton, and 75 acres for wheat

                          1 x 75 = 75 cotton
                          3 x 25 = 75 wheat

                          The US is obviously better off than china by themselves as you can see (pretend this is actually how it is)

                          BUT it would still be benificial to trade with china.

                          If the US decides to use 75 of its 100 acres for cotton and 25 for wheat and lets china use ALL its land for wheat we have this.

                          US-

                          6 x 75 = 450 cotton
                          6 x 25 = 150 wheat

                          China-

                          3 x 100 = 300 cotton

                          And since each country wants to have an equal amount of each good they trade. The US trades China 100 cotton for 200 wheat.

                          US-

                          350 Cotton
                          350 Wheat

                          China-

                          100 Cotton
                          100 Wheat

                          Boom both benifit.

                          Simliar thing here, just because we trade alot with china doesnt mean it hurts our economy, infact it helps it more than hurts it. Outsourcing jobs is a different story, and has nothing to do with trade.

                          Chinese students "wising up" is actually pretty ironic dont you think? They LEAVE thier country to get smarter and go back. That is because alot of chinese are no where near as eduated as we are in the US, sure the US has some idiots, and thats why they are working at walmart, but a very large majority of us are well educated, moreso than any other country. The US spends a high sum of money to keep public schooling etc.

                          Alot of you kids are just rehashing what liberal mommy and daddy are saying. When infact, when you get down to the facts, the US dominates in

                          1)Defense
                          2)Education
                          3)Economic Growth
                          4)Standard of Living

                          And those factors determine if a countries strength, only liberals want to cut defense MORE, and its already being cut down to only 17% of all the money the US is taking in.

                          As for the deficit, cause its eventually going to be brought up. The deficit is the debt to ourselves, and as long as the reason we went in debt, benifits us in the end, it really doesnt matter. Its a capital investment, look at it as college loans. Sure they put you in debt highly, but you can pay it off with the new job you get. Same situation here.

                          So before you start bashing the US, know what the hell your talking about please.

                          View PostDiddyKong, on Sep 17 2006, 09:24 AM, said:

                          Hahha that made me laugh! :lol: Good one.
                          HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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                          No seriously... :)


                          And what exactly does the Netherlands do for the world?


                          Thats what I thought

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                            Posted 17 September 2006 - 08:28 AM

                            I admit China isn't close to US now in terms of economic development and what not now, but if it continues at its present growth (eventually IMO it will slow down) it can pass the US.

                            Now, the US just has to make sure that doesn't happen. It has the power and money to do so.

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                              Posted 17 September 2006 - 08:28 AM

                              View PostpHantOm, on Sep 17 2006, 03:50 PM, said:

                              And what exactly does the Netherlands do for the world?
                              Thats what I thought


                              1: Export you guys the GOOD cheese.

                              2: Tulpins. :) lol

                              3: Our country spends the most money on lands in Africa.

                              4: We dont have Bush as president. :lol:

                              EDIT: OH WAIT...!

                              5: Not being this dominant as America is.

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                                Posted 17 September 2006 - 10:25 AM

                                View PostDiddyKong, on Sep 17 2006, 10:28 AM, said:

                                1: Export you guys the GOOD cheese.

                                2: Tulpins. :) lol

                                3: Our country spends the most money on lands in Africa.

                                4: We dont have Bush as president. :lol:

                                EDIT: OH WAIT...!

                                5: Not being this dominant as America is.

                                1)Thats based on opinion
                                2)uh huh...
                                3)Now this is a good one, the Netherlands are the FIFTH highest donator to Africa

                                "The most recent donation of almost US$10 million from the Netherlands makes it WFP’s fifth highest per capita donor for 2005, with every man, woman and child in the European country giving an average of US$6.30 to WFP – now the world’s biggest humanitarian agency."

                                http://www.wfp.org/E...ID=137&Key=1813

                                The US has donated more than any European country, by donating 38.5 BILLION dollars so far in aid. Now the US government has only donated 16.5 of it but guess what? All those lazy ass Americans you all seem to complain about has donated 22 billion to charities.

                                http://news.scotsman...fm?id=730652005

                                Enjoy.

                                4)Yeah you have an equivelant of John Kerry running the show.
                                5)So you take pride in not being the best. I for one try to make my country as good as possible. :)

                                Diddy dont make up facts

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                                  Posted 17 September 2006 - 10:37 AM

                                  If China somehow managed to scrap its Communistic government, I'd say they could very well be the next "super power/big guy/whatever". They certainly have enough people to do pretty much anything. All they need is a not-screwed-up government, a few good leaders, some breakthroughs...They do seem to make pretty much everything. I think Japan started out making cheap McDonald's toys and the like, and look how they turned out. I'm willing to bet China can follow the same path.

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                                    Posted 17 September 2006 - 11:43 AM

                                    View PostpHantOm, on Sep 17 2006, 06:25 PM, said:

                                    1)Thats based on opinion
                                    2)uh huh...
                                    3)Now this is a good one, the Netherlands are the FIFTH highest donator to Africa

                                    "The most recent donation of almost US$10 million from the Netherlands makes it WFP’s fifth highest per capita donor for 2005, with every man, woman and child in the European country giving an average of US$6.30 to WFP – now the world’s biggest humanitarian agency."

                                    http://www.wfp.org/E...ID=137&Key=1813

                                    The US has donated more than any European country, by donating 38.5 BILLION dollars so far in aid. Now the US government has only donated 16.5 of it but guess what? All those lazy ass Americans you all seem to complain about has donated 22 billion to charities.

                                    http://news.scotsman...fm?id=730652005

                                    Enjoy.

                                    4)Yeah you have an equivelant of John Kerry running the show.
                                    5)So you take pride in not being the best. I for one try to make my country as good as possible. :)

                                    Diddy dont make up facts


                                    I didnt made up facts. Dude I just typed something that was on my mind. And as far as I know, only 3 is wrong.

                                    Anyways:

                                    1: Well it atleast is made out of milk... Not something snotty out of the fabrics.

                                    2: TULPIIIIINS!! :)

                                    3: Meh still good. I wasn't talking about Africa I was more talking about just donating. I dunno though but I think Holland gave the most money to the Tsunami (sp?) area...

                                    4: Oh really? Show me.

                                    5: Thats just typical. :lol: Really Bush DOES suits America very well!

                                    And still:

                                    Even though he's the worst minister-president we ever had...

                                    http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/9660/balkenendekg3.th.jpg > http://kinderenwebhotel.be/WO_natuur/images/aap.jpg >>>>> http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4315/bush365217549cqx1.th.jpg

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                                      Posted 17 September 2006 - 12:05 PM

                                      Never did I say bush was the best president we have ever had. Infact I dont like him at all. But I do like America.

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                                        Posted 17 September 2006 - 12:50 PM

                                        Bush may not be the best, but he's definately an improvement over Clinton.

                                        And Diddy, that picture of Bush was photoshoped.

                                        Bush>>>Monkey>>>>>>>Clinton

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                                          Posted 17 September 2006 - 12:54 PM

                                          View PostMr.T, on Sep 17 2006, 08:50 PM, said:

                                          Bush may not be the best, but he's definately an improvement over Clinton.

                                          And Diddy, that picture of Bush was photoshoped.

                                          Bush>>>Monkey>>>>>>>Clinton


                                          "I have no sexual relationship with that woman!"

                                          Or whatever... :)

                                          LIAR! XD

                                          Ohh I didnt knew it was photoshopped... It looks very dumb indeed. :lol:

                                          Btw:

                                          TULPINS FTW!!!

                                          http://brandtjes.nl/weblogfotos/gedachten/weblog/tulp.jpg

                                          EDIT: Now with a pic. :)

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                                            Posted 17 September 2006 - 12:58 PM

                                            Hmm Toasty, that's opinion. You know why? Because I personally believe Clinton was a better president than Bush.

                                            And DK, can you get a bit more serious...

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                                              Posted 17 September 2006 - 01:22 PM

                                              I don't supose any one saw that TV show Firefly? or watched the movie Serenity? Because that shows were this whole thing is going. By the time we have to blast off this rock China and America would be the only two powers big enouth to leave the planet behind... But in the show there was a big war and the Chinese won. However if it came to either China or America ruling the planet... I'd say America, At least I would'nt have to learn another language

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                                                Posted 17 September 2006 - 02:16 PM

                                                It wasn't really a certain race that won, it was more like, 3/4 of the people wanted a government that was strict, and the remaining didn't, so they fought back. I've seen both the movie, and the show.

                                                And Eugine, what's worse? Trying to get rid of terrorists bent on destroying us, or sitting on their butt while doing nothing to stop them? On top of that, Clinton sold nuke plans to China, and gave Korea nuclear power plants, which is basically giving them nuclear weapons.

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                                                  Posted 17 September 2006 - 10:43 PM

                                                  View PostpHantOm, on Sep 17 2006, 11:14 PM, said:

                                                  Are you insane?

                                                  The chinese government although IMPROVING still is very communist. You should be punched in the face for that comment.

                                                  ****, forgot they were communist.


                                                  Guys really. Have you even had a good president lately?

                                                  Bush Jr. sucks
                                                  Clinton, slept with another women
                                                  Bush Sr. Sucked
                                                  That Richard Nixion dude
                                                  Jimmy Carter.
                                                  And didn't two Presidents get assianated like two weeks apart or something? (It was in Forest Gump)

                                                  At least John Howard isn't as bad as your leaders.

                                                  Dasius- Good movie. I loved the show as well.

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                                                    Posted 18 September 2006 - 12:42 AM

                                                    O.K right I'm in rant mode. Communism- What the hell does everyone have wrong with it??? It is in it's theoretical form the perfect government. Everyone working together, no hierachy all perfect lovey feely sharing government. It's human nature that gets it so screwed up, 'one man will seek to rule over all it's human nature unaviodable' sound familiar? Philosophers throughout time have at various times have come across the idea of communism and thought it would be perfect if not for the idiots in charge. Just because no-ones got it to work does'nt mean that the government system itself is at fault. It's human cattle needing someone to make sure they do everything right that ****s everythng up. Animal Farm anyone? went wrong because Napoleon was an ***hole, Communist Russia Stalin the ****head. it's NEVER the idea of government thats wrong, never communisum, its the ***holes in charge.
                                                    Give me one example of communism itself without any help from its leaders being at fault I will denounce this arguement and admit fault but I can't think of any. and if it's all about money and how the upper classes will lose out as that argument then this is truly a sad age we live in...
                                                    Rant over

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                                                      Posted 18 September 2006 - 04:41 AM

                                                      You answered your own question. The only problem wrong with Communism is the fact that it never works due to the people running the show wanting a bigger cut.

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                                                        Posted 18 September 2006 - 05:42 AM

                                                        View PostDasius, on Sep 18 2006, 02:42 AM, said:

                                                        O.K right I'm in rant mode. Communism- What the hell does everyone have wrong with it??? It is in it's theoretical form the perfect government. Everyone working together, no hierachy all perfect lovey feely sharing government. It's human nature that gets it so screwed up, 'one man will seek to rule over all it's human nature unaviodable' sound familiar? Philosophers throughout time have at various times have come across the idea of communism and thought it would be perfect if not for the idiots in charge. Just because no-ones got it to work does'nt mean that the government system itself is at fault. It's human cattle needing someone to make sure they do everything right that ****s everythng up. Animal Farm anyone? went wrong because Napoleon was an ***hole, Communist Russia Stalin the ****head. it's NEVER the idea of government thats wrong, never communisum, its the ***holes in charge.
                                                        Give me one example of communism itself without any help from its leaders being at fault I will denounce this arguement and admit fault but I can't think of any. and if it's all about money and how the upper classes will lose out as that argument then this is truly a sad age we live in...
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                                                        In order to have a perfect government, the leader has to be perfect. And no one is perfect, thus communism can never succeed. You're living in liberal fantasy land.

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                                                          Posted 18 September 2006 - 05:35 PM

                                                          You can say the same for a democratic government... I really have no problem with communistic governments, I personally love how Cuba operates and loving China's also... I'm not really liking N Korea since they don't really bother with the people, but Cuba, definetly one of the best examples of a successful communistic state.

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                                                            Posted 18 September 2006 - 08:26 PM

                                                            View PostEugine, on Sep 18 2006, 07:35 PM, said:

                                                            You can say the same for a democratic government... I really have no problem with communistic governments, I personally love how Cuba operates and loving China's also... I'm not really liking N Korea since they don't really bother with the people, but Cuba, definetly one of the best examples of a successful communistic state.

                                                            LMFAO That was funny Eugiene :) lol

                                                            Anyways lol, I never said democratic was perfect either, but the amount of errors the government makes are alot less than other governments because its not just 1 person making decisions, but rather a collective group of many persosns. But lately the decisions havent been made on the notion of whats best, but rather if its in thier party boundries. If its unrepublican than there is a good chance a republican wont vote for it, even if personally they agree.

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                                                              Posted 18 September 2006 - 08:50 PM

                                                              More so when it comes to democrats, though, at least when you pay close attention.

                                                              And Eugine, you really can't say the same for a Democracy. In a democracy, like phantom said, it isn't one person makeing the descisions, it's many voting on what to do. There are three parts to the US democracy, at least, three main parts. The President, the House of Representitives & Senate, and the Supreme Court. They all have equal power. The President can suggest an idea to the House of Reps. & Senate, but the idea will only be carried out if the House of Reps. & Senate agree. Same goes for if they represent an idea to the President. They then either be carried out, or have to go to the Supreme court and be voted on by the people it will affect. The President though, also has the power to over rule the powers of Congress and the Supreme court once per term.

                                                              It's been a while since I studied this ( 5 years to be specific ), so if anyone knows exactly how it works, please correct me where I'm wrong.

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                                                                Posted 19 September 2006 - 12:36 AM

                                                                yea but still a democracy got Hitler INTO power with the votes and what not but what they do when their in power can still be wrong, and power corupts so one wrong idea can still go through the system regardless, and if in a panic people might not be thinking right: V for vendeta? I'm not sure about America but here alot of the time we have little say in what happens AFTER we put the people in power so all of the above might be void for you guys so...

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                                                                The chinese government although IMPROVING still is very communist. You should be punched in the face for that comment.


                                                                Whats with the hatred anyway???

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                                                                  Posted 19 September 2006 - 12:45 AM

                                                                  Hitler ruled through a dictatorship, not a democracy, and he got into his dictatorship through a democracy, because he promised his country things the needed, like a strong ruler, and other stuff. Turns out he fulfilled all of what he said he'd do, but he just went WAY to far in doing so. Which is bad, and is why he was defeated. But besides providing his people, he had a secret police of sorts that took orders from him alone, and also had people help him, and that is how he got a dictatorship. He got enough people to follow him, and only him.

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                                                                    Posted 19 September 2006 - 06:36 AM

                                                                    I actually have a small amount of respect for Hitler. Not for his acts or him, but come on, any one who can convince a whole nation to start a world war has some public speaking skills.

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                                                                      Posted 19 September 2006 - 07:37 AM

                                                                      View PostDasius, on Sep 19 2006, 02:36 AM, said:

                                                                      Whats with the hatred anyway???

                                                                      Suggesting China would be a better super power is obserd. Maybe I should pull out some articles of Chinese "silencing" some protests, by shooting everyone.

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                                                                        Posted 19 September 2006 - 12:29 PM

                                                                        I can agree with the anti china thing but the way you worded your responce implied that China being communist was the reason you hated it

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                                                                          Posted 19 September 2006 - 12:46 PM

                                                                          View PostDasius, on Sep 19 2006, 02:29 PM, said:

                                                                          I can agree with the anti china thing but the way you worded your responce implied that China being communist was the reason you hated it

                                                                          Its not the reason I hate China, its one of the reasons I DISAPPROVE of China.

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                                                                              Posted 19 September 2006 - 01:04 PM

                                                                            View Postwatch, on Sep 19 2006, 08:36 AM, said:

                                                                            I actually have a small amount of respect for Hitler. Not for his acts or him, but come on, any one who can convince a whole nation to start a world war has some public speaking skills.


                                                                            Agreed. No other country has ever recovered that fast after losing a war. If it wasn't for the whole final solution thing he would've been a hero.

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                                                                              Posted 19 September 2006 - 01:17 PM

                                                                              I still have a huge grin on my face when I read the name of this topic. :)

                                                                              Anyways, if I could revive one person from dead and beat the **** to hell again it would be Hitler. The ****er doesn't even deserve respect.

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                                                                                Posted 19 September 2006 - 01:22 PM

                                                                                What a small world you live in...

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                                                                                  Posted 19 September 2006 - 02:34 PM

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                                                                                    Posted 19 September 2006 - 03:13 PM

                                                                                    View PostPlatinum Sun, on Sep 19 2006, 03:04 PM, said:

                                                                                    Agreed. No other country has ever recovered that fast after losing a war. If it wasn't for the whole final solution thing he would've been a hero.

                                                                                    They recovered from the war so quickly because they were all working for the government to make weapons, bombs, tanks, planes and other things to prepare for the next war. They just never knew it.

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                                                                                      Posted 21 September 2006 - 04:06 PM

                                                                                      View PostWind Dude, on Sep 16 2006, 04:49 PM, said:

                                                                                      The way China is going these days, things only improve, and America may finally be dethroned in the title of being "The Super Nation".

                                                                                      Thoughts?


                                                                                      My thoughts?

                                                                                      YAY! Take that, Yankland! xD

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                                                                                        Posted 21 September 2006 - 04:18 PM

                                                                                        Okay, I'm not going to name anybody but some of you really need to get your head out of... where ever it is and take a look-see with an open mind because YOUR VIEWS ARE VERY BIASED.

                                                                                        And Yank haters were probably raised to hate America because your arguements are just basically "America sucks". And I wish I could make a bigger rant but, I can't, soo...

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                                                                                          Posted 21 September 2006 - 04:26 PM

                                                                                          Aww, come on. My America hating is the good-natured America hating. You know, the kind where you say "Damn Yanks!" but with a big grin on your face.

                                                                                          I've been brought up that way, I can't help it.
                                                                                          And I will actually post a proper reply to this topic. But tomorrow. xD

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                                                                                            Posted 21 September 2006 - 05:50 PM

                                                                                            Well, us "yanks" happen to have the biggest army in the world, and the second best economy. Fyi.

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                                                                                              Posted 21 September 2006 - 08:32 PM

                                                                                              View PostMr.T, on Sep 21 2006, 07:50 PM, said:

                                                                                              Well, us "yanks" happen to have the biggest army in the world, and the second best economy. Fyi.

                                                                                              Not to mention we kicked Englands ass, you're are second hand man. So if anyone tries to destroy the US with nukes, you're country is comming down with us. I hope you realize that.

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                                                                                                  Posted 22 September 2006 - 02:58 AM

                                                                                                View PostpHantOm, on Sep 22 2006, 04:32 AM, said:

                                                                                                Not to mention we kicked Englands ass, you're are second hand man. So if anyone tries to destroy the US with nukes, you're country is comming down with us. I hope you realize that.


                                                                                                Wow this is getting personal... :)
                                                                                                Dont take it too seriously man. Yeah America's army is big, but you guys don't use it right. The 'help' in Afghanistan (sp?) isn't much wanted by the locals there. However the help from other countries is... ;)

                                                                                                Btw I felt like using a puking emoticon above this post. :blink:

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                                                                                                  Posted 22 September 2006 - 04:37 PM

                                                                                                  Yeah? Well our 'help' in Afghanistan has gotten rid of the terrorists, which kept them from having freedom.

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                                                                                                    Posted 23 September 2006 - 03:37 AM

                                                                                                    View PostMr.T, on Sep 22 2006, 12:50 AM, said:

                                                                                                    Well, us "yanks" happen to have the biggest army in the world, and the second best economy. Fyi.


                                                                                                    I'm sorry, but you're confusing me with someone who gives a flying rat's arse. I don't care how big your army is. I don't like armies. So there's no point bragging to me that your army is the biggest in the world, because that just cements my opinion that all Americans care about is how big their firepower is and how many countries they can invade.

                                                                                                    View PostpHantOm, on Sep 22 2006, 03:32 AM, said:

                                                                                                    Not to mention we kicked Englands ass, you're are second hand man. So if anyone tries to destroy the US with nukes, you're country is comming down with us. I hope you realize that.


                                                                                                    I'd rather go down with the nukes, thanks.


                                                                                                    View PostMr.T, on Sep 22 2006, 11:37 PM, said:

                                                                                                    Yeah? Well our 'help' in Afghanistan has gotten rid of the terrorists, which kept them from having freedom.


                                                                                                    You've gotten rid of the terrorists, eh? That's why every single day you hear of at least one more suicide bomb attack in Iraq.

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                                                                                                      Posted 23 September 2006 - 07:27 AM

                                                                                                      Nice one Bexie ^^

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                                                                                                      Well, us "yanks" happen to have the biggest army in the world, and the second best economy. Fyi.

                                                                                                      Yeah, maybe for the time being... But slowly but surely it's changing.

                                                                                                      If you watch the Dependency Ratio for USA vs. China you'd see the USA has an ageing population while China has a youthful population. While the USA will have to massively support its baby boomers redirecting resources to social security (I think they were talking about reforming it because they realized the current model can't support this high ageing population, Google search gives me projected 75% dependency) China now, will have a massive labour force in the future (I think India and China will have one of the largest in the world ie to say the lowest dependency ratio, though I can't find figures). Plus, old Chinese just like to work, going into Chinese food or creating old customs like Chinese baskets and clothing or just working the land until he/she can't walk, Westerners prefer to go fish, golf, etc.

                                                                                                      I'm saying this to say, America doesn't really have a bright future because the labour force would be deminised drastically. An ageing population isn't welcomed for a country because most of the innovations and advancements comes from the labour force but sorry Bexie, I think the most EU countries has an even worse dependency ratio ^^ (but with migration between EU countries it can curb the problem)
                                                                                                      Yeah, the dependency ratio isn't exactly accurate but it does give an indication. But yeah, corrections can be given because I read those statistics in a yr 2000 published book long ago.

                                                                                                      ... And that's another reason why China most likely will become the new super power very soon ^^

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                                                                                                        Posted 23 September 2006 - 08:52 AM

                                                                                                        View PostBexie, on Sep 23 2006, 05:37 AM, said:

                                                                                                        I'd rather go down with the nukes, thanks.

                                                                                                        So you would rather see yourself, your mother, father, all your family and friends die than live the life you are currently living?

                                                                                                        You guys are hilarious.

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                                                                                                        If you watch the Dependency Ratio for USA vs. China you'd see the USA has an ageing population while China has a youthful population. While the USA will have to massively support its baby boomers redirecting resources to social security (I think they were talking about reforming it because they realized the current model can't support this high ageing population, Google search gives me projected 75% dependency) China now, will have a massive labour force in the future (I think India and China will have one of the largest in the world ie to say the lowest dependency ratio, though I can't find figures). Plus, old Chinese just like to work, going into Chinese food or creating old customs like Chinese baskets and clothing or just working the land until he/she can't walk, Westerners prefer to go fish, golf, etc."


                                                                                                        The US population is DEFINITLY not an ageing population, the baby boombers were a big group yes, but they all have had kids (or most of them) so our population right now is I believe 3 times that when the baby boomers were being born. Ill need to find the source, but I remember it.

                                                                                                        If any of you want china to be the world super power, you really take your lifestyle for granted.

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                                                                                                          Posted 23 September 2006 - 09:28 AM

                                                                                                          hmm, but it's becoming one in the near future (that what I meant) even the US Senate said that once while watching news, that's why they want the social security reform. Plus, like I said I got my information from a valid source, it MAY be oudated but it still holds some valid information.

                                                                                                          ... And, I personally love the Chinese, they've helped my country alot like rebuilding our national stadium after being distroyed by Hurricane Ivan, helping us with agriculture, they've also gave the most scholarships to the Caribbean (them and Cuba), that's why I love them. They've helped us ALOT.
                                                                                                          I'm not saying the USA doesnt help us, but honestly thinking back on time times it helped us it more looked like if it forcefully helped the Caribbean.

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                                                                                                            Posted 23 September 2006 - 12:56 PM

                                                                                                            View PostBexie, on Sep 23 2006, 11:37 AM, said:

                                                                                                            I'm sorry, but you're confusing me with someone who gives a flying rat's arse. I don't care how big your army is. I don't like armies. So there's no point bragging to me that your army is the biggest in the world, because that just cements my opinion that all Americans care about is how big their firepower is and how many countries they can invade.

                                                                                                            I'd rather go down with the nukes, thanks.

                                                                                                            You've gotten rid of the terrorists, eh? That's why every single day you hear of at least one more suicide bomb attack in Iraq.


                                                                                                            Whoo nice one Bexie! :D

                                                                                                            1-0 for the anti-Americans. :)

                                                                                                            And I dont like armies to. It doesnt show how powerful a country is. A powerful country has good leadership. Thats the real thing that counts. A big army just tells "If we can't get allong with you, you'll get nuked."

                                                                                                            Anyways... China ftw! I love Chinese food. :(

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                                                                                                              Posted 23 September 2006 - 01:07 PM

                                                                                                              Think about this for a second, what would of happend to the people of Iraq if Saddam was still in power, think of that senerio

                                                                                                              Plus if u would rather get nuked and lived, your surroundings would totally be destroyed, not to mention your body itself.

                                                                                                              Yes, China is progressing, Yes the US hasn't done as much as they could, but remember no body's perfect, people make mistakes. SO lets STOP pointing fingers at whoes better and whose worse. Gosh Topics like these sometimes get me really irritated! :(

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                                                                                                                Posted 23 September 2006 - 01:13 PM

                                                                                                                View PostMysterious Adept, on Sep 23 2006, 03:07 PM, said:

                                                                                                                Gosh Topics like these sometimes get me really irritated! :(

                                                                                                                Agreed

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                                                                                                                  Posted 23 September 2006 - 01:18 PM

                                                                                                                  Cuz you guys are from America. And you simpely can't accept that China's economy is growing faster then yours is.

                                                                                                                  Ohhh and Mysterious Adept... No I wouldnt like to get nuked. But America itself where pointing fingers to Iraq at the first place! If Saddam still was in command... I dunno if it would be the same. The real terrorist dont care where Saddam is. To them he's still their leader. Even if he's dead. EDIT: Which I know he isnt btw. :(

                                                                                                                  Speaking of Iraq. Anyone can confirm Osama is dead? Becauase I heard something like that on the radio today.

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                                                                                                                    Posted 23 September 2006 - 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                    View PostDiddyKong, on Sep 23 2006, 02:18 PM, said:

                                                                                                                    Cuz you guys are from America. And you simpely can't accept that China's economy is growing faster then yours is.

                                                                                                                    Ohhh and Mysterious Adept... No I wouldnt like to get nuked. But America itself where pointing fingers to Iraq at the first place! If Saddam still was in command... I dunno if it would be the same. The real terrorist dont care where Saddam is. To them he's still their leader. Even if he's dead. EDIT: Which I know he isnt btw. :(

                                                                                                                    Speaking of Iraq. Anyone can confirm Osama is dead? Becauase I heard something like that on the radio today.


                                                                                                                    HELLO!!!! Just because We are from America Doesn't mean we don't care about whats going on around us!!!!!!! By the way have you heard wat saddam did to his people! the only reason why they followed him beacause they FEARED him!

                                                                                                                    Oh and i dunno if Osama is dead or not, haven't heard anything about him for like months, if he is alive, he has to be close to death

                                                                                                                    AND I AM DONE POSTING IN THIS TOPIC!!!!!!!!! Why even bring this up, things like this create tension, tension creates anger, anger creates hate, and hate creates destruction.

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                                                                                                                      Posted 23 September 2006 - 01:26 PM

                                                                                                                      View PostMysterious Adept, on Sep 23 2006, 09:22 PM, said:

                                                                                                                      the only reason why they followed him beacause they FEARED him!


                                                                                                                      Do you fear Bush?

                                                                                                                      If they really feared Saddam the real terrorists would stop now because he's gone.
                                                                                                                      Which they dont. They agree with Saddam and thus they continue by themselfs.

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                                                                                                                        Posted 23 September 2006 - 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                        View PostDiddyKong, on Sep 23 2006, 08:18 PM, said:

                                                                                                                        Speaking of Iraq. Anyone can confirm Osama is dead? Becauase I heard something like that on the radio today.

                                                                                                                        There's been a story in a newspaper that he might have died, but people aren't sure. They're looking into it now.

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                                                                                                                          Posted 23 September 2006 - 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                          View PostDiddyKong, on Sep 23 2006, 03:26 PM, said:

                                                                                                                          Do you fear Bush?

                                                                                                                          If they really feared Saddam the real terrorists would stop now because he's gone.
                                                                                                                          Which they dont. They agree with Saddam and thus they continue by themselfs.

                                                                                                                          So you would think that the extremist are the same as the normal people that live there, Better watch out im sure GL has something to say about that.

                                                                                                                          Bah im done with these arguements, you guys dont know what the hell is going on and think you do. Back to myspace I go! :(

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                                                                                                                            Posted 24 September 2006 - 03:23 AM

                                                                                                                            This topic has ceased to be a discusion on wether China could be the next superpower and instead become a war over whos country is the best... shame

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                                                                                                                              Posted 24 September 2006 - 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                              View PostpHantOm, on Sep 23 2006, 09:44 PM, said:

                                                                                                                              So you would think that the extremist are the same as the normal people that live there, Better watch out im sure GL has something to say about that.

                                                                                                                              Bah im done with these arguements, you guys dont know what the hell is going on and think you do. Back to myspace I go! :D


                                                                                                                              I never said that. I only say that the extremists wont stop because Saddam is gone. And yeah the native people there did fear Saddam.

                                                                                                                              Myspace... Another typical American thing. :( Oh well but so is KFC. Which is good...

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                                                                                                                                Posted 24 September 2006 - 03:47 PM

                                                                                                                                Just letting you know, I'm an official Student Ambassador. Me being a Student Ambassador and all, maybe I should be a bit more careful with what I say so as not to add fuel to the fire.

                                                                                                                                First, as a Student Ambassador, I'm going to call DDK a moron. You're not representing your own country too well by making some simple and pretty trivial points. (I have a good idea about what your comeback is going to be so don't even try) In fact, you're the reason why this topic is such a mess. Well, pHantOm did it too, a little...

                                                                                                                                @ Mr. T and pHantOm: There are other ways measure a country's greatness other than the size of our forces. As you can see, saying we're the best because of our Army (which is actually the best FTW!) doesn't go over too well... you live in America, you should know why it's such a great country other than firepower.

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                                                                                                                                  Posted 24 September 2006 - 06:56 PM

                                                                                                                                  I do, and it's because our government doesn't dictate us.

                                                                                                                                  Honestly, those of you who hate America, I can tell by your posts that you don't have a clue about what you're saying. Most of you havn't lived here long enough to even begin to understand how we work. You may argue that we were "brainwashed," but I believe what I believe, because I choose too. Not because someone told me to.

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                                                                                                                                    Posted 25 September 2006 - 06:37 AM

                                                                                                                                    View PostWind Dude, on Sep 25 2006, 07:47 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                    There are other ways measure a country's greatness other than the size of our forces.

                                                                                                                                    Thank you.

                                                                                                                                    View PostMr.T, on Sep 25 2006, 10:56 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                    I do, and it's because our government doesn't dictate us.
                                                                                                                                    You may argue that we were "brainwashed,"

                                                                                                                                    Saddam Hussein is responsible for 9/11
                                                                                                                                    Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
                                                                                                                                    Terriosm must be stopped at all costs (as long as the poor Idaho farm boys do it)
                                                                                                                                    Osama Bin Laden has ties to Saddam
                                                                                                                                    Saddam Hussein is responsible for 9/11
                                                                                                                                    Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
                                                                                                                                    Terriosm must be stopped at all costs (as long as the poor Idaho farm boys do it)
                                                                                                                                    Osama Bin Laden has ties to Saddam Saddam Hussein is responsible for 9/11
                                                                                                                                    Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
                                                                                                                                    Terriosm must be stopped at all costs (as long as the poor Idaho farm boys do it)
                                                                                                                                    Osama Bin Laden has ties to Saddam Saddam Hussein is responsible for 9/11
                                                                                                                                    Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
                                                                                                                                    Terriosm must be stopped at all costs (as long as the poor Idaho farm boys do it)
                                                                                                                                    Osama Bin Laden has ties to Saddam

                                                                                                                                    Bush likes his own voice huh.

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                                                                                                                                      Posted 25 September 2006 - 09:53 AM

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                                                                                                                                      Just letting you know, I'm an official Student Ambassador.


                                                                                                                                      Okay, good for you. But why should this change the way you post?

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                                                                                                                                      First, as a Student Ambassador, I'm going to call DDK a moron. You're not representing your own country too well by making simple and pretty trivial points. (I have a good idea about what your comeback is going to be so don't even try)


                                                                                                                                      Whoa now your physic to? :( No ofcoarse Im not representing my own country too well. Mainly thats cuz Im not taking this whole topic seriously. And its cuz many of you dont even know the Netherlands. Im fine with my country, and I dont even want to be part of 'The Super Nation' if its like America. Dont take this as a offence, I just dont like the way of America. Btw the Netherlands is doing really well at the moment, some days ago it said that we have the fastest growing economy of Europe. And dont deny it, our cheese is awesome.

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                                                                                                                                      In fact, you're the reason why this topic is such a mess. Well, pHantOm did it too, a little...


                                                                                                                                      CRONYSM! :D

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                                                                                                                                        Posted 25 September 2006 - 04:54 PM

                                                                                                                                        View Postwatch, on Sep 25 2006, 05:37 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                        Saddam Hussein is responsible for 9/11
                                                                                                                                        Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
                                                                                                                                        Terriosm must be stopped at all costs (as long as the poor Idaho farm boys do it)
                                                                                                                                        Osama Bin Laden has ties to Saddam
                                                                                                                                        Saddam Hussein is responsible for 9/11
                                                                                                                                        Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
                                                                                                                                        Terriosm must be stopped at all costs (as long as the poor Idaho farm boys do it)
                                                                                                                                        Osama Bin Laden has ties to Saddam Saddam Hussein is responsible for 9/11
                                                                                                                                        Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
                                                                                                                                        Terriosm must be stopped at all costs (as long as the poor Idaho farm boys do it)
                                                                                                                                        Osama Bin Laden has ties to Saddam Saddam Hussein is responsible for 9/11
                                                                                                                                        Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
                                                                                                                                        Terriosm must be stopped at all costs (as long as the poor Idaho farm boys do it)
                                                                                                                                        Osama Bin Laden has ties to Saddam

                                                                                                                                        Bush likes his own voice huh.


                                                                                                                                        Hah! That was pretty funny. Too bad Osama bin Laden DID have ties to Saddam. Too bad Saddam attacked us, and also gave us reason to believe he had weapons of mass distruction, and too bad he never said Saddam was responsible for 9/11. And too bad the people IN the military, WILLING to go to war, and registered in the military are the ones going. Otherwise, there might have actually been a hint of truth to what you said. And Bush only repeats himself, because some morons don't like to listen.

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                                                                                                                                          Posted 25 September 2006 - 05:16 PM

                                                                                                                                          View PostDiddyKong, on Sep 25 2006, 10:53 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                          Okay, good for you. But why should this change the way you post?

                                                                                                                                          Whoa now your physic to? :P No ofcoarse Im not representing my own country too well. Mainly thats cuz Im not taking this whole topic seriously. And its cuz many of you dont even know the Netherlands. Im fine with my country, and I dont even want to be part of 'The Super Nation' if its like America. Dont take this as a offence, I just dont like the way of America. Btw the Netherlands is doing really well at the moment, some days ago it said that we have the fastest growing economy of Europe. And dont deny it, our cheese is awesome.
                                                                                                                                          You don't know what an ambassador really is, do you...

                                                                                                                                          An ambassador is a representative. I was chosen to be one of the many Student Ambassadors of my country in an organization called "People to People" (any of you can look it up if you want). Our mission is to spread understanding to other countries about America. Not to convert like you seem to be thinking.

                                                                                                                                          And I don't deny that the Netherlands is a great place.

                                                                                                                                          Please don't post here if you're not going to take this subject seriously, otherwise I won't take you very seriously. Do you want that?

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                                                                                                                                            Posted 25 September 2006 - 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                            View PostWind Dude, on Sep 25 2006, 06:16 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                            You don't know what an ambassador really is, do you...

                                                                                                                                            An ambassador is a representative. I was chosen to be one of the many Student Ambassadors of my country in an organization called "People to People" (any of you can look it up if you want). Our mission is to spread understanding to other countries about America. Not to convert like you seem to be thinking.

                                                                                                                                            And I don't deny that the Netherlands is a great place.

                                                                                                                                            Please don't post here if you're not going to take this subject seriously, otherwise I won't take you very seriously. Do you want that?


                                                                                                                                            thank you for saying that Wind Dude.

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                                                                                                                                              Posted 25 September 2006 - 06:34 PM

                                                                                                                                              Anyway, it's a known fact China's economy is too much for the US to handle. AND, it's a known fact that the US poses China as a treath to their status both economically and military. The USA won't dare attack China because it knows after that both countries will be left behind in the world's eyesight (not that it wants to ie, just saying). So, the USA has to USE and ABUSE China, to get their way!
                                                                                                                                              And BTW, the Chinese economy is growing so quickly that people think it will be too much for the government to handle because of the bureaucracy in the Chinese government (because of the Communistic economic system, everything has to be be reported to the government) the fast pace might just be the Chinese downfall!
                                                                                                                                              Oh no, I don't want that to happen.

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                                                                                                                                                Posted 25 September 2006 - 07:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                Yeah, they say they'd need a second Earth to satisfy the Chinese' need for resources.

                                                                                                                                                So I don't know how much China can ACTUALLY afford to grow.

                                                                                                                                                I'd like it if the USA could remain the #1 Super Nation, but I don't want to see China fall either.

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                                                                                                                                                  View PostMr.T, on Sep 26 2006, 08:54 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                  Hah! That was pretty funny. Too bad Osama bin Laden DID have ties to Saddam. Too bad Saddam attacked us, and also gave us reason to believe he had weapons of mass distruction, and too bad he never said Saddam was responsible for 9/11. And too bad the people IN the military, WILLING to go to war, and registered in the military are the ones going. Otherwise, there might have actually been a hint of truth to what you said. And Bush only repeats himself, because some morons don't like to listen.

                                                                                                                                                  I'm not even going to bother. At least until I find my copy of Dude, wheres my country?

                                                                                                                                                  Wd- Is this Student Ambassador thing like a school program or something? Like the little UN in the Simpsons?

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                                                                                                                                                    Posted 25 September 2006 - 09:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                    No, it's been around for more than 50 years. It was founded by President Eisenhower, so it's nationwide (I've met Ambassadors from South Dakota. :P).

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                                                                                                                                                      Posted 26 September 2006 - 01:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                      View Postwatch, on Sep 25 2006, 07:59 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                      I'm not even going to bother. At least until I find my copy of Dude, wheres my country?


                                                                                                                                                      Oh yes, of course. Something as biased as that just has to have some truth to it. Whether you like it or not, I'm right. You just won't admit it.

                                                                                                                                                      And WD, this ambassador thing seems pretty cool. Do you get to travel?

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                                                                                                                                                        Posted 26 September 2006 - 09:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                        I like the Ambassador thing WD. It sounds pretty cool. I wish there was something like it in Britain, but to my knowledge there isn't.

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                                                                                                                                                          View PostMysterious Adept, on Sep 23 2006, 08:25 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                          Why even bring this up, things like this create tension, tension creates anger, anger creates hate, and hate creates destruction.


                                                                                                                                                          What the hell? Stealing lines from Yoda, with just a few adjustments? o.O;;;


                                                                                                                                                          View PostMr.T, on Sep 25 2006, 11:54 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                          And Bush only repeats himself, because some morons don't like to listen.


                                                                                                                                                          And Bush isn't a moron? That guy needs his arse labelled so he can find it.

                                                                                                                                                          View PostMe111, on Sep 26 2006, 04:10 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                          I like the Ambassador thing WD. It sounds pretty cool. I wish there was something like it in Britain, but to my knowledge there isn't.


                                                                                                                                                          I wouldn't. Not if it's a Yank thing. Sounds a bit dumb to me. "spreading understading of America"... just sounds like another way of saying "We don't like the fact that other countries don't like us, so we've got this to hell them we rock".
                                                                                                                                                          No offence, seriously. But that's what it sounds like to me.

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                                                                                                                                                            Posted 26 September 2006 - 01:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                            View PostBexie, on Sep 26 2006, 06:25 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                            I wouldn't. Not if it's a Yank thing. Sounds a bit dumb to me. "spreading understading of America"... just sounds like another way of saying "We don't like the fact that other countries don't like us, so we've got this to hell them we rock".
                                                                                                                                                            No offence, seriously. But that's what it sounds like to me.

                                                                                                                                                            'if it's a yank thing'... ^-^ I love that.
                                                                                                                                                            That's what I thought at first but then I thought about it a bit more. They're not saying 'this is why we're sooo much better than you,' but they're saying 'this is what our country is like,' and that's why I like the idea. It gives out knowledge to people without trying to saying that they're better. At least that's what I assume they do.

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                                                                                                                                                              Posted 26 September 2006 - 02:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                              All this extra recreational activities they brought about in American schools and they still perform poorly internationally and plus, people are hating Americans more by the day.
                                                                                                                                                              Guess they failed ^^

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                                                                                                                                                                Posted 26 September 2006 - 04:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                The only reason people like you hate us, is because you know nothing about us, and don't want to know anyway. You may get a bad first impression from somebody, but does that nessiscarily mean that they are? Even after the first few impressions, they will probably still look bad unless you actually try learn about them.

                                                                                                                                                                And Bexie, a fake video doesn't prove much. Just that you hate the U.S., and will go out of your way to prove how bad it is.

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                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 26 September 2006 - 04:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  View PostBexie, on Sep 26 2006, 12:25 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                  I wouldn't. Not if it's a Yank thing. Sounds a bit dumb to me. "spreading understading of America"... just sounds like another way of saying "We don't like the fact that other countries don't like us, so we've got this to hell them we rock".
                                                                                                                                                                  No offence, seriously. But that's what it sounds like to me.
                                                                                                                                                                  Well, if you're going to be like that, I have no idea what to say to you. Having other countries understand us can potentially make or break us. We bring People to People (like in the title) so yeah.

                                                                                                                                                                  I traveled to Britain and France this summer, that's why I was gone for three weeks if some of you remember. Part of what we do is not only to have other countries understand us, but we also try to learn something about the other cultures ourselves. I stayed with a British family for three days with a fellow student, which was interesting to say the least.

                                                                                                                                                                  To tell you the truth, I first thought it was just a tourist trip, but it's a lot more personal than that.

                                                                                                                                                                  Another thing about why I think so many people hate America is simply to have something to hate. Think about it, in just about every aspect in life there is at least one thing to hate or complain about wether or not it's absolute. America happens to be able to do the most with their power, and no matter what we do, everyone is always going to find something to complain. After all, it's impossible to make everyone happy.

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                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 26 September 2006 - 04:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    View PostEugine, on Sep 26 2006, 04:46 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                    All this extra recreational activities they brought about in American schools and they still perform poorly internationally and plus, people are hating Americans more by the day.
                                                                                                                                                                    Guess they failed ^^

                                                                                                                                                                    Perform poorly?

                                                                                                                                                                    So your saying were dumb? News flash, the average chinese citizen is dumber than a rock.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 26 September 2006 - 05:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Uh, that's because most parts of China is still poverty striken, most can't even afford to attend schools as yet (since most are left to work Agricultural lands). Most of the US is very developed, with educational budget FAR greater than the world, yet they perform worse than countries who's budget is terrible.
                                                                                                                                                                      Plus, I didn't mention the Chinese since I know that but BTW, those Chinese who get the opportunity do shine, alot too.

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                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 26 September 2006 - 07:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Thats following the stereo type of all asians being smart. Believe me, I had this chinese girl *positive she was chinese* in my chemistry class 2 years ago, she moved from china to here 3 years ago. She was so freaking dumb it was rediculous. There are just as many dumb, yet educated chinese as dumb educated Americans.

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                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 26 September 2006 - 07:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not saying every Chinese student is smart. I'm just saying that most education research usually has the Chinese in the top three despite having a substandard education system. IIRC it's the Finns 1st, with the Asian countries right behind them.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 27 September 2006 - 03:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            View PostMr.T, on Sep 27 2006, 08:04 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                            The only reason people like you hate us, is because you know nothing about us, and don't want to know anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                            You are the FATTEST country on Earth.
                                                                                                                                                                            You have the biggest armed force, ergo cannot solve problems without force or bully tatics.
                                                                                                                                                                            You consume the most resources.
                                                                                                                                                                            You enslaved a race of people that still generates hostile feelings to this day (Don't bring up the aborginal thing, you wiped out a race of Indians, after you bought their land then rebought it after you found gold on it. We did nothing like that to the Aborginals)
                                                                                                                                                                            I want to say you generate the most amount of pollution but I am not sure.


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                                                                                                                                                                            Perform poorly?

                                                                                                                                                                            So your saying were dumb? News flash, the average chinese citizen is dumber than a rock.

                                                                                                                                                                            It's we're, as in more then one of us. ( :P )

                                                                                                                                                                            And guys don't bag the Asians, even their gangs are better then yours.

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                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 27 September 2006 - 08:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              View Postwatch, on Sep 27 2006, 05:04 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                              You are the FATTEST country on Earth.
                                                                                                                                                                              You have the biggest armed force, ergo cannot solve problems without force or bully tatics



                                                                                                                                                                              Hate to burst your bubble, but we can't solve every problem in polotics by going in open arms and proclaiming peace all the time.

                                                                                                                                                                              Anyway as i see it china may have big population, but with its communistic ways its economy is poor as the government owns everything. China can barely support its people, so its no wonder that people barely can go to school. As for the US we are good in our economy for now, but even as we speak the US is teetering from the terrorist. China could not really attack anyone with its economic problems they may put up a fight but they would lose to the Us. Even if they won one fight it would be a hollow win because of how many losses they would have taken. So in my opinion US would beat China.

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                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 27 September 2006 - 08:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                View Postwatch, on Sep 27 2006, 04:04 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                You are the FATTEST country on Earth.
                                                                                                                                                                                You have the biggest armed force, ergo cannot solve problems without force or bully tatics.
                                                                                                                                                                                You consume the most resources.
                                                                                                                                                                                You enslaved a race of people that still generates hostile feelings to this day (Don't bring up the aborginal thing, you wiped out a race of Indians, after you bought their land then rebought it after you found gold on it. We did nothing like that to the Aborginals)
                                                                                                                                                                                I want to say you generate the most amount of pollution but I am not sure.
                                                                                                                                                                                1. No one's that fat in my area.
                                                                                                                                                                                2. That's simply not true.
                                                                                                                                                                                3. China consumes more resources. (I'd look this up but I got to go soon)
                                                                                                                                                                                3. And you mean your country has never done anything hostile before?
                                                                                                                                                                                4. I think China generates more pollution, as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 27 September 2006 - 02:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  View Postwatch, on Sep 27 2006, 05:04 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                  You are the FATTEST country on Earth.
                                                                                                                                                                                  You have the biggest armed force, ergo cannot solve problems without force or bully tatics.
                                                                                                                                                                                  You consume the most resources.
                                                                                                                                                                                  You enslaved a race of people that still generates hostile feelings to this day (Don't bring up the aborginal thing, you wiped out a race of Indians, after you bought their land then rebought it after you found gold on it. We did nothing like that to the Aborginals)
                                                                                                                                                                                  I want to say you generate the most amount of pollution but I am not sure.
                                                                                                                                                                                  It's we're, as in more then one of us. ( :P )

                                                                                                                                                                                  And guys don't bag the Asians, even their gangs are better then yours.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Dude, your country was used as basically a place to put prisoners, so dont try playing the moral card.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Should I be posting to accomidate to your grammar standards, no, this is the internet where laziness is part of life. Go suck a ****.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 27 September 2006 - 02:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    View PostpHantOm, on Sep 27 2006, 10:23 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                    Dude, your country was used as basically a place to put prisoners, so dont try playing the moral card.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Should I be posting to accomidate to your grammar standards, no, this is the internet where laziness is part of life. Go suck a ****.


                                                                                                                                                                                    Lacking words? :P

                                                                                                                                                                                    Anyways, after what Wind Dude said im retiring from this topic. Have a good time here peeps. -_-

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 27 September 2006 - 07:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      View Postwatch, on Sep 27 2006, 02:04 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                      You are the FATTEST country on Earth.
                                                                                                                                                                                      You have the biggest armed force, ergo cannot solve problems without force or bully tatics.
                                                                                                                                                                                      You consume the most resources.
                                                                                                                                                                                      You enslaved a race of people that still generates hostile feelings to this day (Don't bring up the aborginal thing, you wiped out a race of Indians, after you bought their land then rebought it after you found gold on it. We did nothing like that to the Aborginals)
                                                                                                                                                                                      I want to say you generate the most amount of pollution but I am not sure.



                                                                                                                                                                                      It's we're, as in more then one of us. ( -_- )

                                                                                                                                                                                      And guys don't bag the Asians, even their gangs are better then yours.


                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, of course we're so fat we can't get up from our couches. :P Just about everybody I know is, or is going to do sports this year(i.e. they've signed up but the season hasn't started). Very few people in my school are fat. Mabey three out of the entire school (that's about 800+). It is true that there are quite a few fat people in our country, but our hard working, healthy citizens, greatly outweigh the lazy ones.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, sure. That's how we got rid of the Berlin wall. We only use force when we need to. How do you expect us to get rid of the terrorists?

                                                                                                                                                                                      No. China does. They have many, many more people, and use many more resources then we do.

                                                                                                                                                                                      When has any civilization not done something like that? And when we made our first settlement here, Jamestown, the indians hated us. They tried to kill us off. As for the African Americans, nowadays, only radicalists still hate us. I've met many black people before, and all of them have been nice to me. You even see a few black&white couples here and there. So no, very few blacks hate us anymore.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I think we generate the second largest amount of polution, and our government has been working to reduce that. i.e. stricter emissions requirements for cars, cleaner burning fules and mixtures, more efficient cars and airplanes, I could go on.



                                                                                                                                                                                      Next time, at least try to to give your arguments a backbone.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 27 September 2006 - 07:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        No, America is the most polluting country in the world. That's the main reason why many thinks the kyoto protocol is bound to failure since America refuses to sign the charter due to the impact on its economy.

                                                                                                                                                                                        China has to support far more people than the US, it may use up resources but that doesn't mean it's the most wasteful country. America is the most wasteful country. Take into consideration the population, the US is nowhere compared in terms of population to China and India YET it contributes about double the pollutants than both.
                                                                                                                                                                                        PLUS, it has been argued that the USA being the most developed country in the world should not be outputting so much pollutants because of the advancements in its factories, yet for some reason it just pollutes.
                                                                                                                                                                                        China and the others can be excepted because they are developing, during developing a country must produce waste, it's just that I think the asian countries (especially Japan) prefer nature over economic strength, see where beliefs sets in again (many asians are Shintons & Buddhist which loves nature, Christians don't really care about nature).

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 27 September 2006 - 07:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah people whine about what progress does to nature, but have you ever seen what poverty does to nature?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 27 September 2006 - 07:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I assume you mean poverty.

                                                                                                                                                                                            You honestly believe poverty can be compared to progress?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            A state in which a family's income is too low to be able to buy the quantities of food, shelter and clothing that are deemed necessary.


                                                                                                                                                                                            Now, with poverty it can be understood why people rob nature. Survival is man's most important aim. Obviously a poverty striken household will go by any means to support its family. Mind you, I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's understood.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Now, with progress and lifestyle especially American lifestyle, most of it is uncalled for, for example the celebrity lifestyle in Holywood, you know how much they rob from nature unwantedly?

                                                                                                                                                                                            And I'm sure progress robs nature more than poverty.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Analogy?
                                                                                                                                                                                            To construct houses, and buildings hundreds of trees have to be removed from nature and mind you, what the building used for? It's used to build another stadium, to build nightclubs, to build extra houses just to stand out, but to support a family of 5 for one night? One tree can last them weeks IMO.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 28 September 2006 - 07:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              View PostEugine, on Sep 27 2006, 09:30 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                              No, America is the most polluting country in the world. That's the main reason why many thinks the kyoto protocol is bound to failure since America refuses to sign the charter due to the impact on its economy.

                                                                                                                                                                                              China has to support far more people than the US, it may use up resources but that doesn't mean it's the most wasteful country. America is the most wasteful country. Take into consideration the population, the US is nowhere compared in terms of population to China and India YET it contributes about double the pollutants than both.
                                                                                                                                                                                              PLUS, it has been argued that the USA being the most developed country in the world should not be outputting so much pollutants because of the advancements in its factories, yet for some reason it just pollutes.
                                                                                                                                                                                              China and the others can be excepted because they are developing, during developing a country must produce waste, it's just that I think the asian countries (especially Japan) prefer nature over economic strength, see where beliefs sets in again (many asians are Shintons & Buddhist which loves nature, Christians don't really care about nature).

                                                                                                                                                                                              *sigh*

                                                                                                                                                                                              Our most polluted city is Los Angeles, and it doesnt come anywhere NEAR Egypt or Mexico for polution. We pollute because we are a fast paced society, and have more vehicles than anyone else. And due to the design of many cities people live outside the possibility for mass transit, since housing is typically OUTSIDE the cities. More cars=more pollution.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I personally prefer Canada over the US, but the US far from a bad place to live. Every one of you takes thier "rights" for granted.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Eugiene with the country you live in, you should be happy you have rights at all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 28 September 2006 - 05:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                ^ Exactly

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Eugine, you don't even have any proof to back that up, and less than 50% of Americans are Christians, so you can't say that they do because America is a Christian Society. Though we we're founded by Christians, and Christian beliefs, I'm sad to say that few Americans, at least compared to the overall population, are Christian. And this isn't even about religion, so take your ideas elsewhere.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 28 September 2006 - 06:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, please. Leave religion out of this...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 28 September 2006 - 06:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    If I believe religion has some effects on pollution why am I not allowed to say it simple because some of you refuse to admit it's pratically a factor in about every topic? Why am I not allowed to say something disadvantageous about Christianity for once, many people did it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Religion does play a part on pollution and Christians have a negative impact on the environment, well, we're definetly not contributing much to the environment as the Shintons and other Asian religon. It's a valid point and I stick to it, like it or not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    My God, if I need to elaborate so be it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wikipedia said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                    The most immediately striking theme in the Shinto religion is a great love and reverence for nature.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    What's wrong with saying religion helped many Japanese and Chinese from destroying the natural flora and fauna of our earth. It's against their religion to, so I still hold my statement valid and appropriate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Christianity on the other hand doesn't really have any foundation on nature, yes the good interest the Bible sets out may include nature, it isn't specific which may cause many Christians to not think twice about the environment.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    So, nay.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 28 September 2006 - 09:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      View PostpHantOm, on Sep 28 2006, 06:23 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dude, your country was used as basically a place to put prisoners, so dont try playing the moral card.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Should I be posting to accomidate to your grammar standards, no, this is the internet where laziness is part of life. Go suck a ****.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bloody hell pHantOm chill. You said someone was accusing all Americans of being dumb and in phasing that sentence you made a pretty simple grammer error. It was a ****ing joke, aka the :P at the end.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      View PostMr.T, on Sep 28 2006, 11:14 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Next time, at least try to to give your arguments a backbone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      How? You are the fattest country. 2/3 of your population is not fat but obese.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      You do have the biggest armed forces.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      According to Eugine's arguments taking into account your population compared to India and China you wastefully consume resources.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Australia may have been used as a dumping ground for Prisoners but America’s early settlers arrived to escape persecution, then they enslaved one race of people and destroyed the ancient way of life for another.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      And you do generate a large amount of population.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      My arguments are correct, I might not have the support of some scientist driving a merc or a bmw but they are right.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 28 September 2006 - 10:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        View PostEugine, on Sep 28 2006, 05:55 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Christianity on the other hand doesn't really have any foundation on nature, yes the good interest the Bible sets out may include nature, it isn't specific which may cause many Christians to not think twice about the environment.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you havn't noticed, us Christians are just like everybody else. So when you say we're the probalem, you're saying everyone's the problem. The ONLY difference, is that we believe in god, and others don't. I know quite a few chrisitians who don't leave a single crumb of food spoil. I also know others who recycle. Just because we're not tree huggers doesn't mean we go around littering all day.



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                                                                                                                                                                                                        How? You are the fattest country. 2/3 of your population is not fat but obese.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        You do have the biggest armed forces.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        According to Eugine's arguments taking into account your population compared to India and China you wastefully consume resources.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Australia may have been used as a dumping ground for Prisoners but America’s early settlers arrived to escape persecution, then they enslaved one race of people and destroyed the ancient way of life for another.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        And you do generate a large amount of population.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        My arguments are correct, I might not have the support of some scientist driving a merc or a bmw but they are right.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        No, your arguments aren't correct.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Obese can mean anywhere from 5 pounds overweight, to 100+. So 2/3 of us aren't fat, but there are probably 2/3 of us who are obese, not fat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, we do have the largest army in the world. That's true. What's not true, is that we go around pointing guns in everybody's faces to get our way. If we did, other countries probably would've banned together to take us out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Read my reply to Eugine. That applies for more than just Christians. We also have environmentalists. They tend to not waste. No matter how annoying they are.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        We have already made up for that, and you don't see any slaves nowadays, do you? You also don't see mobs of black people with pitchforks and torches at the governors' door.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        We polute more because we have more cars than everybody else. We have more cars than anybody else because we don't live on a farm, so we have to drive to work, and have to get there on time. We also don't have busses that go to every place in town, and you can't really take a bus to Seattle, and have the freedom of comming home anytime you want. You can do that with a car. Like I said before, we've already started to taken measure to cut back polution, but if we followed Japan's pollution policy, we'd become a third world country.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        So once again, at least give your arguments something to lean against, 'cause they ain't standing up at all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 29 September 2006 - 04:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Toasy, you're just being hard head, take another analogy written by me ^^.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          An American with the common American views and a Japanese with the common Japanese views (to remove the ******** in my posts) both went on a camping trip. Both stoped restless at a certain point on the mountain. Both are hungry. Both lost backpacks with resources. Most likely the American will try to make the environment adapted to HIS needs by cutting trees to light fire destroying the soil, killing animals for food, to make himself comfortable because theirs no restrains in his heads. The Japanese now respecting nature will try to make himself comfortable by adapting to the environment rather than changing it. Now, how small this may be, but consider this on a wide scale. Now, put your friends in that position. Am I not correct? I definetly will light a fire to make the environment adapt to my needs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          And, that's not all to the tail Toasty, America pollutes because the government although preaching the use of alternative can be considered an oil country. A few months ago there was this article on an American finding an alternative to oil to power houses, IIRC it defied the law of conservation of energy turning other energy into electricity unlimitedly.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          You know what the American government did? It rejected the proposal to fund research on the device because they were afraid it would damage their economy in the future (how? Because no need for oil possibly). The Japanese government is now researching the technology.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 29 September 2006 - 07:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            View PostMr.T, on Sep 29 2006, 02:01 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, we do have the largest army in the world. That's true. What's not true, is that we go around pointing guns in everybody's faces to get our way. If we did, other countries probably would've banned together to take us out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            We have already made up for that, and you don't see any slaves nowadays, do you? You also don't see mobs of black people with pitchforks and torches at the governors' door.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            We pollute more because we have more cars than everybody else. We have more cars than anybody else because we don't live on a farm, so we have to drive to work, and have to get there on time. We also don't have busses that go to every place in town, and you can't really take a bus to Seattle, and have the freedom of comming home anytime you want. You can do that with a car. Like I said before, we've already started to taken measure to cut back pollution, but if we followed Japan's pollution policy, we'd become a third world country.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            So once again, at least give your arguments something to lean against, 'cause they ain't standing up at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'll agree obese can differ from person to person but face it. McDonalds, KFC, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Krispy Kremes, Wendys, Hungry Jacks (Burger King), Dunkin Donuts, Mars, Coke (the company). How many fast food kings do you own? The list goes on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            What's not true, is that we go around pointing guns in everybody's faces to get our way.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            'Oh ****! Most of Asia is becoming Communist. Let’s go into Vietnam, get our asses KICKED to try to protect something we need to remain number one. Also, let’s drag Australia and others into the mix. We can deal with Vietnam, we already ****ed up China with the Opium Wars.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            No but I've seen gangs (irl). I've heard from other Americans about gangs. I've seen the standards of living for poor black, and white people alike. I've seen the effect of discrimination 50 years on. Do you really think a black boy and white boy have the same opportunities?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't have any fancy knowledge of bills or acts about pollution but I do know America is a major contributor and not interested in finding alternate ways of power. Their car and oil companies make too much, which in turn pays taxes to the government.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 29 September 2006 - 08:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              View Postwatch, on Sep 29 2006, 09:56 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                              What's not true, is that we go around pointing guns in everybody's faces to get our way.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              'Oh ****! Most of Asia is becoming Communist. Let’s go into Vietnam, get our asses KICKED to try to protect something we need to remain number one. Also, let’s drag Australia and others into the mix. We can deal with Vietnam, we already ****ed up China with the Opium Wars.


                                                                                                                                                                                                              So you support North Korea then, you also support Iran? Countries led by complete psycos.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              According to the Iran leader, the Holocaust never happened.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 29 September 2006 - 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                All well and good but why do you think your country feels the need to interfere?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                not wanting to seem anti-anyone
                                                                                                                                                                                                                I know my damn country got involved as well but I'm not to pround of any counrty on this rock at the moment. This planet needs a serious rethink

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 29 September 2006 - 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  View PostDasius, on Sep 29 2006, 01:21 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know my damn country got involved as well but I'm not to pround of any counrty on this rock at the moment. This planet needs a serious rethink

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Of course there's no country to necessarily be proud of right now, nor ever for that matter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This is what I think...I LOVE the United States. We Americans are actually VERY well off, even though we have several...unredeeming qualities.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On the matter of obesity...recently, New York announced it will pass a bill stating that all restaurants have to stop using trans-fat oils in the foods that chefs use them in. See, the U.S. isn't stupid like a lot of people think; we're actually taking steps to reduce several of our negative aspects of our country.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Another thing I hate is how you guys group people together and judge them as a whole. Most Americans are good at heart and have the best interests for the U.S. We are most certainly not idiotic, like the Muslims who grossly misinterrpret what their religion wants them to do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And pollution...I agree with what some people were saying earlier. We pollute greatly because our technology is noticeably much better than everyone else's. Our factories produce items constantly, people drive cars constantly, etc.; however, once again, people mistake the U.S. as being idiotic in this matter as well. Once again, we're doing something about it. There are people who are working on developing hydrogen and solar powered cars that are more efficient than gas powered cars. Succeeding on this will cut back on our pollution significantly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And one last thing: Eugine, where do you get the info about Christians not respecting nature? I must say, that actually isn't true. I mean...the other religions actually aren't that much better off, maybe some are worse...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ok, I'm done for now. :P

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 29 September 2006 - 06:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    View Postwatch, on Sep 29 2006, 06:56 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'll agree obese can differ from person to person but face it. McDonalds, KFC, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Krispy Kremes, Wendys, Hungry Jacks (Burger King), Dunkin Donuts, Mars, Coke (the company). How many fast food kings do you own? The list goes on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What's not true, is that we go around pointing guns in everybody's faces to get our way.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    'Oh ****! Most of Asia is becoming Communist. Let's go into Vietnam, get our asses KICKED to try to protect something we need to remain number one. Also, let's drag Australia and others into the mix. We can deal with Vietnam, we already ****ed up China with the Opium Wars.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    No but I've seen gangs (irl). I've heard from other Americans about gangs. I've seen the standards of living for poor black, and white people alike. I've seen the effect of discrimination 50 years on. Do you really think a black boy and white boy have the same opportunities?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't have any fancy knowledge of bills or acts about pollution but I do know America is a major contributor and not interested in finding alternate ways of power. Their car and oil companies make too much, which in turn pays taxes to the government.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And there are just as many of them everywhere else in the world, and people everywhere else in the world buy products from them as well. Jus because we own fasy food doesn't mean we're all fatties. You don't even live, here, so you obviously havn't walked our streets long enough to really see how many fat people there are. What you're saying, is that there are twice as many fat people as healthy people. That's just no true. If I had a birds eye view of every city I've lived in (that includes Portland Oregon, which is a VERY big city), the ratio of Fat to healthy would be much closer to 1:8. Mabey even less. Read gsninja's post for more.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We went to Veitnam to help ourselves, yes, but also to help the people there. We didn't even need to get involved at all, but we did. To help.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Then explain to me why there are black doctors, black scientists, black engineers, black CEO's, etc. I know quite a few blacks in my school, who I know will get a garunteed scholarship to any university they want, and not because they have money, or their dad works for the government. I can't even expect that, and I get the highest test scores in my school. It's because they're harder working than I am, and they're smart.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    HAH! Do you really think we sit on our asses not trying to do anything to cut our pollution? I've already told you what I know, for a fact, that we're doing. gsninja posted even more. Read it, and quit falsely accusing us of being lazy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 29 September 2006 - 07:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      View PostDasius, on Sep 30 2006, 04:21 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      All well and good but why do you think your country feels the need to interfere?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      not wanting to seem anti-anyone
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I know my damn country got involved as well but I'm not to pround of any counrty on this rock at the moment. This planet needs a serious rethink

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      How about New Zealand :P, they don't do much expect play rugby and relaxing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      View PostMr.T, on Sep 30 2006, 10:47 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We went to Veitnam to help ourselves, yes, but also to help the people there. We didn't even need to get involved at all, but we did. To help.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just like you went to Iraq to 'help' (not metioning the false WoMD or the free oil) and you managed to create a civil war...hmmm.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And yes America should of stayed out of Vietnam, nothing good came of it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 29 September 2006 - 08:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        First off, the Civil war helped us get where we are now. And if we hadn't gone to Iraq to stop the terrorists, we would've had yet another disaster like 9/11.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 29 September 2006 - 08:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You have no proof of that. The entire planet beefed up their security after that day, so I doubt that it would have happened anytime soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 29 September 2006 - 08:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Split, we took out most of their training camps, many head officials of their organisation, and not to mention a lot of their troops. I'd say that it did do something.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 29 September 2006 - 08:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And then you hear these countless stories of innocents being slaughtered, tortured, held captive, raped, molested...and otherwise killed unprovoked.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 29 September 2006 - 08:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So split

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You are saying that there are alot of killings going on? Well with the technology the Iraq forces have, It would be safe to say that they have alot of people fighting for them correct?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If so, I guess those extremists make up a bigger number of the civilians in Iraq than GL is willing to admit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 30 September 2006 - 12:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ^ Heheh. Try beatin' that, Split.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not only are there soldiers opposing us, there are civilians as well, who will do what they can to hurt us, even though we're helping them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 30 September 2006 - 04:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    one thing I've found in my own little haven of home and the general world around, is that if people are attacking you because you are helping them no matter how much good your doing your probably better off not helping at all, and I know that the people attacking you are these extreamist loyal to whatever but still people should be left to sort their own problems.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 30 September 2006 - 09:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They want you to leave, that's why they're killing! Most Muslims in the Middle East are saying America wants to come in their land to Christianise, Americanise or remove their traditions from them. And do you honestly believe there aren't still Saddam supporters?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ... BUT of course, the Middle East is divided, like Kofi Annan said, half thinks the Middle East the US created the problem so they should stay and fix it while the other half thinks they are the problem so they should leave. They do agree though that the Middle East was more stable before the war in Iraq.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      HAH! Do you really think we sit on our asses not trying to do anything to cut our pollution? I've already told you what I know, for a fact, that we're doing. gsninja posted even more. Read it, and quit falsely accusing us of being lazy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And Toasty, no one is saying the US isn't doing anything, but on a world view, it's not doing enough compared to MANY other countries namely Japan, Russia, Canada and the EU.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      China is well in with UN standards since emission is based on per capita and China is extremely populated.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 30 September 2006 - 09:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        View PostEugine, on Sep 30 2006, 11:13 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They want you to leave, that's why they're killing! Most Muslims in the Middle East are saying America wants to come in their land to Christianise, Americanise or remove their traditions from them. And do you honestly believe there aren't still Saddam supporters?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Dude face it, they are a pain in the ass for the rest of the world. If it was up to me the Middle East would be a parking lot. Thousands of miles of pavement. They are living in the f*cking stone age, and need to get thier heads out of thier asses. Im done argueing about this, because the middle east is a f*cking sh*thole and some of you are loving the poo they fling on you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They are idiotic extremists that believe THIER religion is the right one, so they attack us. We didnt go to thier land till AFTER 9/11. Thier reasoning for attacking? Because they believe christianity is wrong and dont like our freedom. Whos forcing a religion now? Sure as hell isnt us.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Who here wants to live in the middle east?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I bet a small percentage if any of you want to live there, why? Because thier freaking psycos.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 30 September 2006 - 02:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We did go into their land before 9/11.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The first Gulf War. We provoked them, there's no question about it. The US has been meddling in Saudi affairs for years due to the oil.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          As a side note, China will have overtaken the US in under 30 years in my estimation. If it came to war, the US would defeat them on US soil and but the Chinese would defeat you on their soil. They did it before. The Korean War. They see that as a chinese victory over the US, and in fairness it was. The NATO forces had pushed North Korea all the way back to the Chinese border, and then China flooded in and drove them back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          As another side note, this war might happen sooner than you think lol, the US very stupidly signed an agreement with Taiwan that if China invaded it, you guys would go to war. You will lose. The Pentagon knows this, they released a report earlier in the year criticising china for deploying too many troops and vehicles on the Taiwanese Straits - that sounds like the US is kinda scared to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They have a bigger airforce than you guys too. And they have more or less the same technology.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And also, im not sure of this but, last i checked, isnt the US in a very large amount of debt because of some very high spending on wars?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh and as a final note regarding Britain; if we vote conservative (likely) you can kiss your second hand man goodbye. We'll go isolationist and the conservatives dislike your current government. Plus Blair is about to go. So we wont be diving in after you..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 30 September 2006 - 05:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            View PostRavenblade, on Sep 30 2006, 03:37 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            As another side note, this war might happen sooner than you think lol, the US very stupidly signed an agreement with Taiwan that if China invaded it, you guys would go to war. You will lose. The Pentagon knows this, they released a report earlier in the year criticising china for deploying too many troops and vehicles on the Taiwanese Straits - that sounds like the US is kinda scared to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, it's either that the US is scared or that it's basically a simple threat. ;) Still, what would have happened if the US let China take over Taiwan? That might have given the indication that, since even the US wouldn't intervene, China would think itself too powerful and maybe try to take some other country over...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think that China's technology is good, but the technology in the US gives them a bigger advantage, since it's a bit more advanced and the US has used that technology longer.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 30 September 2006 - 08:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              View PostMr.T, on Sep 30 2006, 12:03 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              First off, the Civil war helped us get where we are now. And if we hadn't gone to Iraq to stop the terrorists, we would've had yet another disaster like 9/11.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No the Civil helped keep America a singular nation after the South wanted to split, United we stand scattered we fall or w/e. And Iraq wasn't responsible for 9/11, I know it's hard to believe after Bush said it so many times but try you wrap your head around it. (Aimed to Americans in general not just Mr.T)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Raven-Why did they sign with Taiwan, and where the hell did you pop out from.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 30 September 2006 - 10:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I dont know why I even come to these forums anymore.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Your all a bunch of communist wanting idiots. Im done wasting my time, root for lose of freedom. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 01 October 2006 - 01:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  No I like my Democracy; I just don't like America and their unofficial ruling of the world.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 01 October 2006 - 01:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    View Postwatch, on Sep 30 2006, 07:02 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I know it's hard to believe after Bush said it so many times but try you wrap your head around it. (Aimed to Americans in general not just Mr.T)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't know how you got that twisted up in your head. I never said Iraq was responsible, I said the terrorists that were in Iraq were responsible. And again, nobody's been brain washed into believing what they do. I chose for myself who to believe, and I'm glad that Bush is president now, and not John Karry. Just like our stupid Governor (for Washinton State), he puts his own interests ahead of America's. So quit trying to say everything's a conspiracy, because it's not. Open your eyes and see for yourself.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And America doesn't rule the world, but the UN, which America is part of, governs the world. There's a big difference between governing, and ruling. Go look it up for yourself. It's in a dictionary.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 01 October 2006 - 02:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I love how everyone says we meddle in thier affairs, yet when we dont help a country we hear a hell of alot of sh*t about it now dont we? Those same people that were hit with the Tsunami told us to LEAVE and they didnt want our help. Yet, later the US hears all this crap about us not donating enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, f*ck you Tailand.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 01 October 2006 - 05:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Thai's did not want aid, not sure about money but they didn't want outside help.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1.They are very proud
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2.They can take care of themselves
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3.Only Pi Pi and Phuket were taken out, compared to parts of India and Sri Lankria which was just debri.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Even though Thailand didn't need help doesn't mean you can't donate to the other countries.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 01 October 2006 - 06:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You know, after having lived in Beijing all of last year, ive got to say it isnt all that communist ;) True they still have some issues to deal with, but are you saying the US government doesnt silence people? Look at these news laws Bush has just put down so that terrorists can have hearsay used against them in court. That means people can invent rumours. Also, China has signed the Geneva Convention. The US hasnt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The simple truth is that all countries have corrupt governments. The chinese one looks very corrupt to you but then, yours looks very corrupt to them. Its all propaganda. You think you havent been geared into what to believe but you have. The 5 billion or so people in the world who all think the US is corrupt and stuff, they must all be wrong cos there is no way your government would ever mislead *you* guys is there? Please...x.x The US is just as bad as China if not worse cos of its foreign policy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          @GN It would be stupid for china to start attacking countries at random, its powerful enough to take the US but not enough to take the world. The days of Imperialism through force are over. Nowadays its done through spreading "freedom and democracy". Like wandering into Iraq and saying "we're going to liberate all of you by forcing democracy down your throats" =D

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 01 October 2006 - 08:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ravenblade, I can see we share similar opinion on that ^^ I honestly agree with what you said.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Most people criticise the Chinese system without even experiencing it, going to Cuba I've experience a communistic economic system and there's nothing wrong with it. Honestly, it's America what's putting a bad eye on it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            After living among Chinese in Grenada (many live here, many) I've come to see things from their point of view and it's not that bad.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 01 October 2006 - 08:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              View PostRavenblade, on Oct 1 2006, 07:00 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              @GN It would be stupid for china to start attacking countries at random, its powerful enough to take the US but not enough to take the world. The days of Imperialism through force are over. Nowadays its done through spreading "freedom and democracy". Like wandering into Iraq and saying "we're going to liberate all of you by forcing democracy down your throats" =D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              XD Still, if the days of Imperialism through force are over, then why does the US feel the need to protect Taiwan in the first place? So that they can prevent China from forcing freedom and democracy down their throats? =P

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Raven, I do agree with you about the corrupt governments, though. Sadly, the day when a government will get rid of its corrupticity is the day when pigs fly...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              <.<

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              >.>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              *tries to make pigs fly*

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 01 October 2006 - 09:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                View PostEugine, on Oct 1 2006, 10:14 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ravenblade, I can see we share similar opinion on that ^^ I honestly agree with what you said.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Most people criticise the Chinese system without even experiencing it, going to Cuba I've experience a communistic economic system and there's nothing wrong with it. Honestly, it's America what's putting a bad eye on it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                After living among Chinese in Grenada (many live here, many) I've come to see things from their point of view and it's not that bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Dude if Cuba's civilians were treated well we wouldnt have a blockade on them. We HELPED Castro into office to begin with, his ideas are the same as China's and we trade plenty with China. Its his lack of support for his own people. Maybe you dont recognize it since Grenade wasnt much better off than Cuba was.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                God damn idiotic forgeigners I swear.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 01 October 2006 - 10:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So you say that all of the world's governments are corrupt to an extent, ESPECIALLY the US government, then go on to say that the Chinese government isn't as corrupt as we think it is, and that we can't say that because we've never been there?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wait, what? It's not that I don't agree with you, because I do to an extent, it's just that your own post seems to contradict itself. :P Well unless RB has been to America; but I don't think that you have at least, Eugine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyway, PH's post still stands to reason. When we help people out, they complain. When we don't help people out, they still complain. Hmmm...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 01 October 2006 - 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    HMM, I admit the Grenadian government is corrupted but it's about the same corruption the American government has, even less actually! We don't abuse people in prisons, or ship them of to Syria for torture to get answers!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've been to the US since I was 10 years old yearly by family and believe me the freedom we possess is much greater than most American has @WD.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just because the Caribbean isn't as developed as the US most Americans percieve it has a run down place, but most of the time when they arrive here (including Jamaica and Trinidad I may include) they just can't leave. We're filled with American, both white and black who prefers down here to US and that's the majority eh'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    They can walk the streets at anytime not worrying about gang voilence because its almost non-existant compared to the other parts of the world, no terrorism, no fraud, and no damn pesky neighbours, we socialize, we blend and we're definetly not self centered among each other. From experience, neighbours practically ingore each other in USA. The atmosphere down here is just better... Ask Yuki what she thinks of the Caribbean and anyone who has been here ^^

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dude if Cuba's civilians were treated well we wouldnt have a blockade on them. We HELPED Castro into office to begin with, his ideas are the same as China's and we trade plenty with China. Its his lack of support for his own people. Maybe you dont recognize it since Grenade wasnt much better off than Cuba was.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And my, like usual that's what the American governments want you to believe Phantom. Many Cubans love the communistic economic system in Cuba, you know what the US hates? They hate the fact that Cuba by no means rely on the US, and that's just destroying them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    After a hurricane destroyed parts of Cuba, the US sent aid to the Cuban government, they refused, that created MAJOR headaches in Washington, Cuba has bounced back quicker than New Orleans had, much quicker, and they don't even have the resources you have.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Another thing, Cubans are extremely talented, especially in Medicine, they rank one of the best in the world actually, and that's another headache in Washington. They really want the brains of Cuba, they're doing everything possible to gain it. You see all these gimmicks about Cubans being Americans once they land on your soil, it's not about freedom its about using and abusing the Cuban people.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wait, what? It's not that I don't agree with you, because I do to an extent, it's just that your own post seems to contradict itself. Well unless RB has been to America; but I don't think that you have at least, Eugine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And WD, like I said I been to the US many times so I know how you guys operate. Actually, you guys are coming down here to set about your thoughts. Always had.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So you say that all of the world's governments are corrupt to an extent, ESPECIALLY the US government, then go on to say that the Chinese government isn't as corrupt as we think it is, and that we can't say that because we've never been there?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    HMM? What's confusing with that?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Corruption is all over the world, no country can say there's no corruption, since none has reached Nirvana.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Most of you guys here though, think the Chinese government is extremely corrupted and surpress their people thoughts to a extreme level, but most of the censorship is to protect their people from Western influences.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What you'd realise though, after interacting with Chinese is that, they're no more corrupted than the US government, you believe they are because you rather believe what the US government has to say rather than experiencing it first hand.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ... Confused?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 01 October 2006 - 11:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What I was confused about is that RB claimed that we couldn't say that the Chinese were corrupt when we've not been there. I assumed that you at least had not been to America (since you hate it so much) so therefore you couldn't say that we were corrupt either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Your posts seem very hostile btw.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 01 October 2006 - 06:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And Eugine, regardless of whether or not you think we're all brainwashed, you can't really know how a country works unless you've lived there for at least a year, if not two years straight. I've lived here all my life, and I see what's going on around me, and around the world. What people are thinking, what they're doing, I can see and understand it all, from an unbiassed view. No matter what we do, people will hate us. We could bow down before you and kiss your feet, even offer you everything you had, and you'd still spit on us. Why? because you hate us, and for no real reason either. You say we're corrupt, then you say everyone's corrupt, and then, you say you're not corrupt. All the neighbors I've ever had, I've known very well. We watch eachothers houses when one is gone, we help them with things they can't do (I shovel my neighbors driveway in the winter because they're old, and it's hard for them), we (my family) and our neighbors even had a second driveway dug out between our houses to share, and we split the price between ourselves. Some say that the law Bush passed for the news allows rumors to be spread about terrorists easier, but in truth (unfortunately), it's already been happenening for years, and just as easily and frequently. Some news stations are more prone to doing this, some much less, but it's not the US's fault, or the governments, for why some of us may be mislead. It's the media's. And the media is usually the most corrupt part of any country. One reason you recovered quicker than New Orleans did from the hurricane, was because you were less damaged, and I doubt you had as many people looting andshooting as we did. Besides that, you're a smaller country, and can put more resources into something like that then we could, since we're bigger, and have more problems to deal with.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And yes, that last part of your post was still confusing. Many people in the U.S. have experienced China firsthand, including my Father. Everyone is corrupt, nobody's perfect, though some are less corrupt than others.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now quit contradicting yourself.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 01 October 2006 - 06:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LOL... You just can't read, I still don't know what's wrong with my post.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 01 October 2006 - 06:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You're laughing at me? You can't even find out what's wrong with your own post!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 01 October 2006 - 07:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No honestly, read my post above WD's... What do you NOT understand? I'd like to reiterate but I have no idea what to base it on.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 01 October 2006 - 07:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You said that China and the US were equally corrupted, when in earlier posts, you said that the US was more corrupted than any other country.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 01 October 2006 - 07:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ... I'm blind tonight because I honestly can't find the post where I said the US was the most corrupted country... Actually, I can't even find where I said China and US were equally corrupted.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 01 October 2006 - 07:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    View PostMr.T, on Oct 2 2006, 10:17 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And Eugine, regardless of whether or not you think we're all brainwashed, you can't really know how a country works unless you've lived there for at least a year, if not two years straight. I've lived here all my life, and I see what's going on around me, and around the world. What people are thinking, what they're doing, I can see and understand it all, from an unbiased view. No matter what we do, people will hate us. We could bow down before you and kiss your feet, even offer you everything you had, and you'd still spit on us. Why? because you hate us, and for no real reason either. You say we're corrupt, then you say everyone's corrupt, and then, you say you're not corrupt. All the neighbours I've ever had, I've known very well. We watch each others houses when one is gone, we help them with things they can't do (I shovel my neighbours driveway in the winter because they're old, and it's hard for them), we (my family) and our neighbours even had a second driveway dug out between our houses to share, and we split the price between ourselves. Some say that the law Bush passed for the news allows rumours to be spread about terrorists easier, but in truth (unfortunately), it's already been happenening for years, and just as easily and frequently. Some news stations are more prone to doing this, some much less, but it's not the US's fault, or the governments, for why some of us may be mislead. It's the media's. And the media is usually the most corrupt part of any country. One reason you recovered quicker than New Orleans did from the hurricane, was because you were less damaged, and I doubt you had as many people looting and shooting as we did. Besides that, you're a smaller country, and can put more resources into something like that then we could, since we're bigger, and have more problems to deal with.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And yes, that last part of your post was still confusing. Many people in the U.S. have experienced China firsthand, including my Father. Everyone is corrupt, nobody's perfect, though some are less corrupt than others.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Now quit contradicting yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm just gonna say it. Mr.T, we, myself and many others say we hate America, most of us hate the government, the greedy corporations, the gang violence etc etc etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I do not care about old Mr and Mrs Wibble and their pet Labrador some boy scout took care off while they visited their pregnant granddaughter. Every country has good citizens, and every country, like Australia has dropkicks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    America just has a flawed government at the moment, which party really won in Florida? Just a honest occurrence that Bush's sister or whatever was the vote counter. How about your corporations, Enron or w/e. 'We are selling all our stock, nobody else do it.' Then they go bankrupt, all the stockholders lose money and the big CEO's walk away even richer.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 01 October 2006 - 07:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      View PostEugine, on Oct 1 2006, 01:18 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      HMM, I admit the Grenadian government is corrupted but it's about the same corruption the American government has, even less actually! We don't abuse people in prisons, or ship them of to Syria for torture to get answers!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've been to the US since I was 10 years old yearly by family and believe me the freedom we possess is much greater than most American has @WD.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just because the Caribbean isn't as developed as the US most Americans percieve it has a run down place, but most of the time when they arrive here (including Jamaica and Trinidad I may include) they just can't leave. We're filled with American, both white and black who prefers down here to US and that's the majority eh'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They can walk the streets at anytime not worrying about gang voilence because its almost non-existant compared to the other parts of the world, no terrorism, no fraud, and no damn pesky neighbours, we socialize, we blend and we're definetly not self centered among each other. From experience, neighbours practically ingore each other in USA. The atmosphere down here is just better... Ask Yuki what she thinks of the Caribbean and anyone who has been here ^^
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And my, like usual that's what the American governments want you to believe Phantom. Many Cubans love the communistic economic system in Cuba, you know what the US hates? They hate the fact that Cuba by no means rely on the US, and that's just destroying them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      After a hurricane destroyed parts of Cuba, the US sent aid to the Cuban government, they refused, that created MAJOR headaches in Washington, Cuba has bounced back quicker than New Orleans had, much quicker, and they don't even have the resources you have.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Another thing, Cubans are extremely talented, especially in Medicine, they rank one of the best in the world actually, and that's another headache in Washington. They really want the brains of Cuba, they're doing everything possible to gain it. You see all these gimmicks about Cubans being Americans once they land on your soil, it's not about freedom its about using and abusing the Cuban people.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And WD, like I said I been to the US many times so I know how you guys operate. Actually, you guys are coming down here to set about your thoughts. Always had.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      HMM? What's confusing with that?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Corruption is all over the world, no country can say there's no corruption, since none has reached Nirvana.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Most of you guys here though, think the Chinese government is extremely corrupted and surpress their people thoughts to a extreme level, but most of the censorship is to protect their people from Western influences.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What you'd realise though, after interacting with Chinese is that, they're no more corrupted than the US government, you believe they are because you rather believe what the US government has to say rather than experiencing it first hand.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ... Confused?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You're a moron, all offense intended.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 01 October 2006 - 08:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Aww, nice one ^^

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's ok, you're American, I don't expect you to turn against your own country.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 01 October 2006 - 10:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I love Britain. I love Canada. I love Australia. I love China. The only thing I really hate about these countries are that they have a very biased hate against America. I'm gonna go ahead and say it, I think your own governments have corrupted and brainwashed you guys to have a hate for America.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          By the way, you CAN get arrested in China for expressing your own opinion. You don't get that here in America though. People will just think you're a bit crazy. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 02 October 2006 - 04:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            View PostWind Dude, on Oct 2 2006, 02:00 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I love Britain. I love Canada. I love Australia. I love China. The only thing I really hate about these countries are that they have a very biased hate against America. I'm gonna go ahead and say it, I think your own governments have corrupted and brainwashed you guys to have a hate for America.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            By the way, you CAN get arrested in China for expressing your own opinion. You don't get that here in America though. People will just think you're a bit crazy. ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Our government couldn't find a car in a parking lot.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 02 October 2006 - 08:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              View PostWind Dude, on Oct 1 2006, 11:00 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I love Britain. I love Canada. I love Australia. I love China. The only thing I really hate about these countries are that they have a very biased hate against America. I'm gonna go ahead and say it, I think your own governments have corrupted and brainwashed you guys to have a hate for America.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              By the way, you CAN get arrested in China for expressing your own opinion. You don't get that here in America though. People will just think you're a bit crazy. ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I full-heartedly agree with that, WD. Good job. n.n Well, maybe not necessarily corrupted, but brainwashed, yes...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Since I've lived in the US for most of my life, I obviously love it more than every other country, even more than Italy, where I was born. Still there really isn't a country that I hate. I love most countries because they all put in their fair share of trying to make the world better. The only countries I don't really like are the countries like Iraq, etc. Sure, they give us a crapload of oil, but do they have to be such a pain in the butt?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                They wouldn't be such a pain in the butt if you didn't just go and attack them for no apparent reason. Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq had no connection with Al-Qaeda. There was no reason to go to Iraq other than that George Bush wanted to 'finish what Daddy started'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As for China, if they do become the world power, will it affect me? Probably less than having America as the super power does now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 02 October 2006 - 03:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  View PostSea_of_Time, on Oct 3 2006, 03:10 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They wouldn't be such a pain in the butt if you didn't just go and attack them for no apparent reason. Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq had no connection with Al-Qaeda. There was no reason to go to Iraq other than that George Bush wanted to 'finish what Daddy started'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As for China, if they do become the world power, will it affect me? Probably less than having America as the super power does now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  THANK YOU!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well SoT I'd rather have the Chinese then the French, isn't most of Canada French?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 02 October 2006 - 04:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    View Postwatch, on Oct 2 2006, 05:35 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    THANK YOU!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well SoT I'd rather have the Chinese then the French, isn't most of Canada French?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Only Quebec has a heavy influence of France, but it obviously the second language of Canada.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And thats a typical comment from a Canadian free loader, who is NEVER attacked in a war because your next to us. As much as I love Canada, infact I like it more than the US, you Canadians *atleast an overwehlming majority of the public* are so liberal, being is how a girl at ANY age can have an abortion done without her parents permission. So its no wonder on the 9/11 5th aniversary they had on a station the idea that the US government blew it up themselves.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And remember my girlfriend is Canadian.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 02 October 2006 - 08:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Although the Liberal party here is the essential brother of the Democratic party, they were not voted back into office because of a scandal where the prime minister used tax money to pay for ad campaigns for the election. Now we have a Conservative government that is becoming very good friends with Bush and the Republicans.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We are in Afghanistan, so we're not completely useless. In fact we're cleaning up the mess that the U.S. left when the majority of the troops left for Iraq.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As for the French, their power in Canada is declining. More and more immigrants are coming from Asia than Europe, and other than being the second 'official language', the French hold very little power and influence in Canada.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 02 October 2006 - 08:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I agree with you totally on that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think its because Canadian colleges are becoming just as respectable as some of the top American colleges, but at a much lower tuition. Waterloo, Ontario where my girlfriend lives feels like china town during fall and spring semesters. I am a huge fan of Canada, I love thier politics and how they put thier own countries needs first before worrying about others and then causing problems.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Im no huge fan of America, infact im in the middle of the republican and democrat parties. But I cant help but to argue alot of the no offense, ignorant remarks you are saying about a country you dont know alot about. I wish I could move to Canada, and after I finish my degree in information sciences and technology (Pennstate University which is what I go) is the #1 college in the US for such a degree. After I finish my degree I have ever intention of moving to Canada in Toronto, Its a beautiful city, lacks gang crime and yet still has that "big city" feel to it. Not to mention every big band that is in North America has shows somewhere in it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 03 October 2006 - 09:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Toronto is great but if I could move to any city, it would be Victoria on Vancouver Island. The sights there are incredible and the environment is one of the nicest in the country.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 03 October 2006 - 12:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            How close is it to Ontario? Sounds like a great place to bring my frannypoo. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 03 October 2006 - 03:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not very. It's on the very west corner of Canada. You'd be about 3000 miles off if you were in Toronto.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But back to the topic at hand.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 09 October 2006 - 08:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                View PostWind Dude, on Oct 1 2006, 05:43 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So you say that all of the world's governments are corrupt to an extent, ESPECIALLY the US government, then go on to say that the Chinese government isn't as corrupt as we think it is, and that we can't say that because we've never been there?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                :P

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Wait, what? It's not that I don't agree with you, because I do to an extent, it's just that your own post seems to contradict itself. :D Well unless RB has been to America; but I don't think that you have at least, Eugine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Anyway, PH's post still stands to reason. When we help people out, they complain. When we don't help people out, they still complain. Hmmm...



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                View PostWind Dude, on Oct 1 2006, 06:36 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What I was confused about is that RB claimed that we couldn't say that the Chinese were corrupt when we've not been there. I assumed that you at least had not been to America (since you hate it so much) so therefore you couldn't say that we were corrupt either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Your posts seem very hostile btw.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                @WD: I didnt say the US government was especially corrupt, i didnt even imply it. Dunno where you got that from, my argument was that governments are all more or less equally corrupt, they just dont look it to the people who live in the country they're in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I didnt say you couldnt claim the chinese were corrupt, you invented that one too. I said that i dont think they're as corrupt as you're lead to believe. Go back and read my post. Dont incinuate things that arent there, its a waste of my time to have to come back and correct everything x_x;;;

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                On an unrelated note, i found out something interesting recently that says a lot about US foreign policy. There is such a thing as an International Criminal Court where people who commit war crimes can be tried. The rules are:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                -If you signed up for the ICC and you are the aggressor then you can be tried there

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                -If the victim nation of the war crimes has signed up, the aggressor can be tried there even if they didnt sign up for it

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                -If the crime was committed in a country that signed up for it even if the victim and the aggressor are not involved.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The US has not signed this. This is because the US government wants to be allowed to commit war crimes if it needs to. Also, if any US citizen is taken to this court to be tried, you guys passed the truly unbelievable "Hague Invasion Act" which means you would invade the Hague and get them out. This would kick start World War 3 as there is no way in hell Europe would let you do that x_x Before this prompts inevitable "The US would win though" comments, i feel it necessary to point out that even if you did, another country, say China/Japan/India would just come along and finish you off, cos you would lose a hell of a lot in that war.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The point im trying to make though: Why do you guys have foerign prisoners being tried in the US when you wont allow it to happen to you guys? Is it cos you're fairer than everyone else? *points back to the president allowing rumours to be used as evidence* Or is it just cos you guys are the most powerful nation in the world and taht this seems to make you above the law? I think we all know which one. In earnest, you are above law - just watch out though, cos you wont be forever - every empire falls, and if you're still playing unfairly when yours does, you will have the hell kicked out of you by whoever replaces you.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As for the brainwashing - that would undermine all our governments too as we're so strongly linked to yours. Oh and also, there are plenty of Americans (Michael Moore - not saying he's right, he throws up as much propaganda as the US government does) who also believe the US government to be corrupt.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 09 October 2006 - 01:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yup yup Ravenblade! We definetly share the same views on America ^^

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 11 October 2006 - 05:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    View PostRavenblade, on Oct 9 2006, 04:10 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    @WD: I didnt say the US government was especially corrupt, i didnt even imply it. Dunno where you got that from, my argument was that governments are all more or less equally corrupt, they just dont look it to the people who live in the country they're in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I didnt say you couldnt claim the chinese were corrupt, you invented that one too. I said that i dont think they're as corrupt as you're lead to believe. Go back and read my post. Dont incinuate things that arent there, its a waste of my time to have to come back and correct everything x_x;;;

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    On an unrelated note, i found out something interesting recently that says a lot about US foreign policy. There is such a thing as an International Criminal Court where people who commit war crimes can be tried. The rules are:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    -If you signed up for the ICC and you are the aggressor then you can be tried there

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    -If the victim nation of the war crimes has signed up, the aggressor can be tried there even if they didnt sign up for it

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    -If the crime was committed in a country that signed up for it even if the victim and the aggressor are not involved.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The US has not signed this. This is because the US government wants to be allowed to commit war crimes if it needs to. Also, if any US citizen is taken to this court to be tried, you guys passed the truly unbelievable "Hague Invasion Act" which means you would invade the Hague and get them out. This would kick start World War 3 as there is no way in hell Europe would let you do that x_x Before this prompts inevitable "The US would win though" comments, i feel it necessary to point out that even if you did, another country, say China/Japan/India would just come along and finish you off, cos you would lose a hell of a lot in that war.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The point im trying to make though: Why do you guys have foerign prisoners being tried in the US when you wont allow it to happen to you guys? Is it cos you're fairer than everyone else? *points back to the president allowing rumours to be used as evidence* Or is it just cos you guys are the most powerful nation in the world and taht this seems to make you above the law? I think we all know which one. In earnest, you are above law - just watch out though, cos you wont be forever - every empire falls, and if you're still playing unfairly when yours does, you will have the hell kicked out of you by whoever replaces you.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As for the brainwashing - that would undermine all our governments too as we're so strongly linked to yours. Oh and also, there are plenty of Americans (Michael Moore - not saying he's right, he throws up as much propaganda as the US government does) who also believe the US government to be corrupt.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'd like to hear the Jr Ambasabor's reply on this. :P

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ZOMG LET IT DIE

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 11 October 2006 - 02:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        View PostRavenblade, on Oct 9 2006, 07:10 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @WD: I didnt say the US government was especially corrupt, i didnt even imply it. Dunno where you got that from, my argument was that governments are all more or less equally corrupt, they just dont look it to the people who live in the country they're in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I didnt say you couldnt claim the chinese were corrupt, you invented that one too. I said that i dont think they're as corrupt as you're lead to believe. Go back and read my post. Dont incinuate things that arent there, its a waste of my time to have to come back and correct everything x_x;;;

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        On an unrelated note, i found out something interesting recently that says a lot about US foreign policy. There is such a thing as an International Criminal Court where people who commit war crimes can be tried. The rules are:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        -If you signed up for the ICC and you are the aggressor then you can be tried there

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        -If the victim nation of the war crimes has signed up, the aggressor can be tried there even if they didnt sign up for it

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        -If the crime was committed in a country that signed up for it even if the victim and the aggressor are not involved.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The US has not signed this. This is because the US government wants to be allowed to commit war crimes if it needs to. Also, if any US citizen is taken to this court to be tried, you guys passed the truly unbelievable "Hague Invasion Act" which means you would invade the Hague and get them out. This would kick start World War 3 as there is no way in hell Europe would let you do that x_x Before this prompts inevitable "The US would win though" comments, i feel it necessary to point out that even if you did, another country, say China/Japan/India would just come along and finish you off, cos you would lose a hell of a lot in that war.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The point im trying to make though: Why do you guys have foerign prisoners being tried in the US when you wont allow it to happen to you guys? Is it cos you're fairer than everyone else? *points back to the president allowing rumours to be used as evidence* Or is it just cos you guys are the most powerful nation in the world and taht this seems to make you above the law? I think we all know which one. In earnest, you are above law - just watch out though, cos you wont be forever - every empire falls, and if you're still playing unfairly when yours does, you will have the hell kicked out of you by whoever replaces you.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        As for the brainwashing - that would undermine all our governments too as we're so strongly linked to yours. Oh and also, there are plenty of Americans (Michael Moore - not saying he's right, he throws up as much propaganda as the US government does) who also believe the US government to be corrupt.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We would never go to war with Europe since we're allies with them dumbass. Unless we disbanded our alliance, that isn't going to happen. And who ever said that we get away with war crimes? If one of our soldiers commits a crime anywhere in the world, we punnish them, or ship them off to the country they commited the crime in to be punished. As far as I know, our country wouldn't commit a war crime unless it was absolutely key to keeping us alive. Therefore, there is no need for us to be a part of the ICC.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've got WD's back on this, and it's pretty easy for me to come back at your comments sense they're rediculous.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now that that's been settled, I agree with phantom. Leave the dang thing alone. It's been discussed to death. You're all just beating a dead horse.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 13 October 2006 - 05:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes let it die. China will dominate one day, and maybe Americans will vote George out, but not likely since no one even votes. (Optional voting, what a dumb idea)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 13 October 2006 - 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            View Postwatch, on Oct 13 2006, 07:34 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            (Optional voting, what a dumb idea)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ...You're a moron. Its called democracy, everyone is entitled to vote but no one has to. It's a freedom. Go crawl back into that hole of yours, you dumbass.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 13 October 2006 - 10:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              View PostMr.T, on Oct 11 2006, 09:13 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              We would never go to war with Europe since we're allies with them dumbass. Unless we disbanded our alliance, that isn't going to happen. And who ever said that we get away with war crimes? If one of our soldiers commits a crime anywhere in the world, we punnish them, or ship them off to the country they commited the crime in to be punished. As far as I know, our country wouldn't commit a war crime unless it was absolutely key to keeping us alive. Therefore, there is no need for us to be a part of the ICC.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've got WD's back on this, and it's pretty easy for me to come back at your comments sense they're rediculous.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Now that that's been settled, I agree with phantom. Leave the dang thing alone. It's been discussed to death. You're all just beating a dead horse.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you wouldnt go to war with Europe, why do you have an Act saying you would o.o the fact you're getting angry about this is kinda pathetic - just accept all this cos its true. I study this at university level for crying out loud, part of my degree is international relations! Also, do you actually know what a war crime is? The whole invasion of Iraq could be argued as a war crime cos the UN said you werent allowed. You blew up a red cross centre in Iraq - this is a war crime. Your soldiers beat up Iraqi prisoners...this is also a war crime. You completely failed to come back at my arguments cos you got hot headed and posted out of anger cos you're proud to be american. Why shouldnt you be? Thats not the issue. The issue is, pride or not, your country does a great deal of wrong in the world and honest to God, it isnt going to be top dog much longer - thats just the way the world works and always has.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And i only just started in this topic so im gonna discuss it as long as i care to thanks o.o

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Your attitude is the kind of reason why the rest of the world hates you guys, just so you know...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 13 October 2006 - 12:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So 9/11 isnt considered a war crime?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You british are pretty funny, I cant wait till a terrorist suicide bombs in a major city and kills lots of people, just so I can hear your british asses say

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Oh f*cking bloody hell wtf you f*cking terrorists will pay now"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Cause I know british people, and thats how you are. Anyone that messes with you, you guys get super pissed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh, and I dont want to see people die. Its the sense of speaking of if/when it happens pretty much what I said will happen afterward. The british get pissed and retaliate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Im studying at a college level"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Congratulations to you RavenBlade, for studying slanted politics that are against the interests of the US. Can you please show me that bill that we have that gives us the right to attack any European country?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Secondly, the UN said were not allowed? THE UN IS SH*T! Wtf is wrong with you people, the UN has NEVER acted with force on a country, ever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                UN: "If you dont meet our demands....we'll...put sanctions on you! That will show you!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Give me a break.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Beat up Iraqi prisoners, its a f*cking war you dipsh*t. What, you want us to give them a cup of tea and ask them about the weather? I suppose we could have just shot them on the field instead.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The red cross bombing was an accident, the US runs the red cross genious.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I suppose we can also argue about the British occupation of India. If you wish, or hong kong or even better South Africa! Lets talk about that shall we!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thats what I thought, the British influence in South America has costed well over 100,000 African lives.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 13 October 2006 - 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ok,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1 - Britain DID get bombed you nonce, July 7th 2005- they hit London - half your argument just died there cos we DIDNT retaliate to ANYONE - clearly therefore you know nothing about British people despite your claim - you didnt even know we got BOMBED. It was all over the freaking news even in the US!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2 - Look the Bill up - its called the Hague Invasion Act or something - i didnt just make it up, i already said its name! Hague Invasion Act

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3 - The US doesnt run the red cross - its an international organisation last i heard.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Just checked - whaddyaknow?? I was right! Red Cross

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Red Cross was founded in SWITZERLAND. I cant believe im doing this, you are blatantly just making stuff up to suit your argument! It isnt even linked to any one country!!! Its international!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  4 - Beating up Iraqi prisoners - ever heard of the Geneva Convention? It says you cant do that. However, you guys never signed that - why? cos its bans war crimes. Like beating up prisoners.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  5 - Im afraid you lose on this one cos i agree with you - the British Empire was as evil as the American Empire. Im just glad we arent the ones doing it anymore.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  While we're on that - Britain had no influence in South America - that was Spanish. South Africa was mostly the French.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And right, they teach you governmentally slanted stuff at UNIVERSITY. My lecturer is American.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  EDIT - I agree the UN is kinda useless - however, they did attack North Korea in the Korean War and im pretty sure they were involved in Afghanistan - are you just making stuff up? I think so!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 13 October 2006 - 06:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    A new lame, I was warned for flaming, 33% warn what the f*ck? A tad f*cking overkill dont you f*cking think?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    F*cking lame ass topic


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LOL the American EVIL empire, think whatever you want I dont care. Its a goldensun forum.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 13 October 2006 - 07:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      View PostpHantOm, on Oct 14 2006, 01:28 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ...You're a moron. Its called democracy, everyone is entitled to vote but no one has to. It's a freedom. Go crawl back into that hole of yours, you dumbass.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Coming from the guy who wants to move to Canada. Everybody should have to vote to decide the best way to govern their country, not sit back and play a banjo and watch the wheat grow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      View PostpHantOm, on Oct 14 2006, 04:04 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I suppose we can also argue about the British occupation of India. If you wish, or hong kong or even better South Africa! Lets talk about that shall we!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thats what I thought, the British influence in South America has costed well over 100,000 African lives.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      <cough> Slavery, Native Indians, Opium Wars.</cough>

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 13 October 2006 - 08:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        He wants to move to Canada because his girlfriend lives there, not because he like the government. He's stated that many times. And if somebody doesn't vote, then they don't have the right to complain about the president that was elected, it's as simple as that. It's something I like to call a free country. As for your second comment, the first two happened hundreds of years ago, when we barely had become a country. The opium wars are between drug lords in Mexico. The American government doesn't sit around sniffing crack as far as I know, though I'm sure you'll argue that they do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        View PostRavenblade, on Oct 13 2006, 02:03 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ok,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1 - Britain DID get bombed you nonce, July 7th 2005- they hit London - half your argument just died there cos we DIDNT retaliate to ANYONE - clearly therefore you know nothing about British people despite your claim - you didnt even know we got BOMBED. It was all over the freaking news even in the US!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2 - Look the Bill up - its called the Hague Invasion Act or something - i didnt just make it up, i already said its name! Hague Invasion Act

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3 - The US doesnt run the red cross - its an international organisation last i heard.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just checked - whaddyaknow?? I was right! Red Cross

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Red Cross was founded in SWITZERLAND. I cant believe im doing this, you are blatantly just making stuff up to suit your argument! It isnt even linked to any one country!!! Its international!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        4 - Beating up Iraqi prisoners - ever heard of the Geneva Convention? It says you cant do that. However, you guys never signed that - why? cos its bans war crimes. Like beating up prisoners.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        5 - Im afraid you lose on this one cos i agree with you - the British Empire was as evil as the American Empire. Im just glad we arent the ones doing it anymore.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        While we're on that - Britain had no influence in South America - that was Spanish. South Africa was mostly the French.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And right, they teach you governmentally slanted stuff at UNIVERSITY. My lecturer is American.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        EDIT - I agree the UN is kinda useless - however, they did attack North Korea in the Korean War and im pretty sure they were involved in Afghanistan - are you just making stuff up? I think so!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1) You didn't do anything because your government thinks "Oh those poor people, they have to resort to terrorism just to get our attention. We have to do something to help them!" That will get you killed one day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2)"to free U.S. soldiers improperly handed over to that Court." Direct quote from that article. That is why we passed that bill. If any of our soldiers are guilty, and found guilty by the Supreme Court, then the go to trial at the ICC.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3) The US helps the Red Cross, and the bombing was an accident. As far as I know, nobody has pinpoint accuracy bombers. 'Nuff said.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        4) Beating up Iraqi prisoners who have been linked without question to known terrorists. That right there gives us the right to interrogate them by any means nessicary.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        5)Regardless, you did what you did for no good reason, and you can't go back and change it. We actually have a reason. It's called "anti-terrorism," something that just happens to keep other places around the world (yes, that includes Europe too), from being bombed to smitherines.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And I'll bet you a hundred bucks he hates America or is Democratic. Both are biased, and both will show you only what they want you to see. Universaties are much less likely to be biased, since they contain more than one teacher, and those teachers are bound to have different opinions. And if you didn't know, you can take a course over again with a different teacher.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So this time, I'm afraid you lose. Again. And by a kid who's in the eighth grade too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 13 October 2006 - 09:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          View PostMr.T, on Oct 14 2006, 12:01 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The opium wars are between drug lords in Mexico. The American government doesn't sit around sniffing crack as far as I know, though I'm sure you'll argue that they do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Are you serious? Do you even know what the Opium wars are? Do you even know what Opium is?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And no way did your arugements come close to countering Raven.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And I know Phantom is moving for his girlfriend, he says it alot, but he also says Canada is better alot aswell. What a patriot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And to your number 4.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Firstly some smart ass comment, you can't prove that Osama was in league with Saddam, so how are you prove that every Iraqi prisoner is a terriost? Hell the whole Terriosm thing started becuase of AMERICA! You had to help the Iraqi's againest the Iranians, you had to give Osama CIA training, you had to make your whole economey dependent on Suadi Royal money.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 13 October 2006 - 09:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            my phantom account cant post cause of a 67% warn.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 13 October 2006 - 09:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think the war in Iraq is pointless myself. I don't really get why we're there in the first place, it's doing more bad than good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Just 'cause I'm ambassador doesn't mean I like everything in which I represent lol.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 13 October 2006 - 09:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well if you don't remember, Saddam was linked to Osama, so we went there looking. Saddam also attacked us while we were there with his own military, so we fought back. Right now, we're finishing of all the terrorists that are left so they don't regroup and attack again. We're also still searching for Osama.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                View Postwatch, on Oct 13 2006, 08:13 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Are you serious? Do you even know what the Opium wars are? Do you even know what Opium is?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And no way did your arugements come close to countering Raven.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And I know Phantom is moving for his girlfriend, he says it alot, but he also says Canada is better alot aswell. What a patriot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And to your number 4.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Firstly some smart ass comment, you can't prove that Osama was in league with Saddam, so how are you prove that every Iraqi prisoner is a terriost? Hell the whole Terriosm thing started becuase of AMERICA! You had to help the Iraqi's againest the Iranians, you had to give Osama CIA training, you had to make your whole economey dependent on Suadi Royal money.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                For your first comment, yes, I do know what it all is. You apparently don't. When opium was being used in the states, there were a few wars about it, but now? No, there aren't. Any wars over opium are battled out elsewhere.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Secondly, yes I did. Your just in denile from all of my facts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As for your las comment, first off, some smartass comment that just so happens to be true, dumbass. And here you go again with your stupid remarks about America being the terrorist. The whole thing could've started with you too. You see, I can say stuff like that as well, but it doesn't make it any more true. Secondly, where the heck did you get the whole "the US gave Osama CIA training" thing? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's just plain stupid. Now we also could have had Osama years ago if Clinton hadn't let him go, but democrats are so insitant on giving terrorists rights, that they should be thrown int prison as terrorists themselves. And where has it ever been noted that we depend on Saudi Royal money? We depend on our own money. We don't recieve charity to keep our country afloat, otherwise we wouldn't be a superpower, no would we? Yeah, we do bring in a lot of imported goods, but so do you. As for linking Osama to Saddam, THE TWO F***ING TALKED TO EACHOTHER! OF COURSE THEY'RE LINKED! And we only arrest iraqis who have been linked to terrorists, so yeah, every iraqi prisoner is linked to a terrorist.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So here, yet again, your comments have been shot down into flaming balls of fire. Better luck next time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Foreigner stupidity starts to really wear on you doesnt Mr.T? Better stop while your ahead and not get suspended from posting like my other account was. I asked for it though lol.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  View Postwatch, on Oct 13 2006, 11:13 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And I know Phantom is moving for his girlfriend, he says it alot, but he also says Canada is better alot aswell. What a patriot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Quickly though

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Are you saying I am a bad citizen? I find Canada more suiting for me for many reasons.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1)I like cold weather
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2)Hockey is my favorite sport
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3)They have good radio stations
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  4)Beautiful scenery that I can enjoy with my girlfriend
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  5)More demostically focused (focused on themselves, not making the world happy)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I enjoy Canada because of its laid back style and it allows you to just live life, not to mention Canadians are by far the most friendly people I have ever met in my entire life. The US has more opprotunity, such as getting jobs and moving up in the world. So its great to live here, since taxes in Canda are more than DOUBLE what the US's is. But along with that taxes, Canadians get great benefits, such as free healthcare and a social security system that wont collapse in 30 years.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  View Postwatch, on Oct 13 2006, 09:49 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Coming from the guy who wants to move to Canada. Everybody should have to vote to decide the best way to govern their country, not sit back and play a banjo and watch the wheat grow.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  <cough> Slavery, Native Indians, Opium Wars.</cough>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  No one HAS to vote in ANY country, I dont know what your on. If you are forced to vote, its no longer the right to vote now is it? That right is protected under our constitution.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh and Native Americans? If you want to go back that far, why not go back to King Aurthur times in Englad, when they invaded Scotland and all other parts of the world. I cant say much for Australia, since your ancestors are a bunch of murderers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Watch, you're not even old enough to vote so dont lecture me on voting.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 13 October 2006 - 10:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ^ Yes, it does.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've also been to Canada, even if it was only for a little while on vacation. It deffinately has beautiful scenery. We stayed at a really nice resort too. The people are nice, and so are the cities. I also like the look of their coins. =D

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 13 October 2006 - 11:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      View PostMr.T, on Oct 14 2006, 01:55 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well if you don't remember, Saddam was linked to Osama, so we went there looking. Saddam also attacked us while we were there with his own military, so we fought back. Right now, we're finishing of all the terrorists that are left so they don't regroup and attack again. We're also still searching for Osama.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      For your first comment, yes, I do know what it all is. You apparently don't. When opium was being used in the states, there were a few wars about it, but now? No, there aren't. Any wars over opium are battled out elsewhere.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Secondly, yes I did. Your just in denile from all of my facts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As for your las comment, first off, some smartass comment that just so happens to be true, dumbass. And here you go again with your stupid remarks about America being the terrorist. The whole thing could've started with you too. You see, I can say stuff like that as well, but it doesn't make it any more true. Secondly, where the heck did you get the whole "the US gave Osama CIA training" thing? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's just plain stupid. Now we also could have had Osama years ago if Clinton hadn't let him go, but democrats are so insitant on giving terrorists rights, that they should be thrown int prison as terrorists themselves. And where has it ever been noted that we depend on Saudi Royal money? We depend on our own money. We don't recieve charity to keep our country afloat, otherwise we wouldn't be a superpower, no would we? Yeah, we do bring in a lot of imported goods, but so do you. As for linking Osama to Saddam, THE TWO F***ING TALKED TO EACHOTHER! OF COURSE THEY'RE LINKED! And we only arrest iraqis who have been linked to terrorists, so yeah, every iraqi prisoner is linked to a terrorist.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So here, yet again, your comments have been shot down into flaming balls of fire. Better luck next time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wow, serious? Saddam attacked with your Military while you invaded his country for bogus reasons? WTF is the world coming to? And don't flatter yourself, becuase of your fine example other countries have been attacked, Bali for one. Oh and thanks but don't worry, we didn't need any help that you didn't offer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now the Opium. While China was the superpower back in the 1800's America and England used Opium to trade with the Hong merchants. Eventually they started to illegally bring it into the country, hooking the population and making them dependent on American traders. When the Chinese tried to fight of the Americans the American turned around, took over Guangzhou(sp?) and other key port cities, then demanded Gold and land of the Chinese, this is also how England came to occupy Hong Kong. My original point was that America poisoned China, raped it, and kicked it while it was down.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      CIA trained Osama
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "Prime suspect in the New York and Washington terrorists attacks, branded by the FBI as an "international terrorist" for his role in the African US embassy bombings, Saudi born Osama bin Laden was recruited during the Soviet-Afghan war "ironically under the auspices of the CIA, to fight Soviet invaders."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hugh Davies, International: `Informers' point the finger at bin Laden; Washington on alert for suicide bombers, The Daily Telegraph, London, 24 August 1998.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In 1979 "the largest covert operation in the history of the CIA" was launched in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in support of the pro-Communist government of Babrak Kamal."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      See Fred Halliday, "The Un-great game: the Country that lost the Cold War, Afghanistan, New Republic, 25 March 1996):
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wrong again Toasty.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Saudi money in US economy
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Since government sources estimate Saudi holdings in the United States at $400 billion to $800 billion, the matter warrants public attention.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Saudi agenda extends far beyond policy-makers. In the late 1990s, the privately owned Massachusetts technology company, Ptech, designed software used to develop enterprise blueprints that held every important detail of a given concern. The company was financed with more than $22 million, by Saudi multi-millionaire Yasin al Qadi, a Specially Designated Global Terrorist. The Saudis thus gained access to strategic information about many major U.S. corporations such as SYSCO, ENRON, and the U.S. Departments of Defense, Treasury, Justice, Energy, and even the White House.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Source- http://www.washtimes...03622-3038r.htm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      An AMERICAN newspaper.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now stop and think, please. If the Saudi's wanted to withdraw those 400-800 BILLION dollars, what would that do the US dollar?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      'The Saudis thus gained access to strategic information about many major U.S. corporations such as SYSCO, ENRON, and the U.S. Departments of Defense, Treasury, Justice, Energy, and even the White House.'
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I cannot believe this, the most powerful country in the world gave their secrets about their Military, the Whitehouse and other things, to a Middle Eastern country.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Care to rephrase 'And where has it ever been noted that we depend on Saudi Royal money?'

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Lastly, Saddam and Osama links:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "But the meat of the administration's "evidence" had already begun to turn rancid. During that same first week of February, a British intelligence report leaked to the BBC said there were no links between Saddam and Osama. The two evildoers had tried to form a friendship in the past, but it had turned out like a great episode of "Blind Date" -- they "hated" each other. According to the report, Bin Laden's "aims are in ideological conflict with present-day Iraq." On top of this, the al-Qaida poison and explosives factory Bush and his team claimed Saddam was harboring was located in northern Iraq -- an area controlled by Kurds and patrolled by U.S. and British warplanes since the early nineties. The north of Iraq was out of Saddam's reach, but within our own. The base actually belonged to Ansar al Isalam, a militant fundamentalist group whose leader has branded Saddam Hussein an "enemy." A tour of the base by a large group of international journalists quickly revealed that no weapons were being manufactured there."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      An extract from Michael Moore's Dude, wheres my country?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes I found a copy of it on the net, finally.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Link to the section

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I love this quote
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What is the worst lie a president can tell?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Or ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "He has weapons of mass destruction -- the world's deadliest weapons -- which pose a direct threat to the United States, our citizens and our friends and allies."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So here, yet again, your comments have been shot down into flaming balls of fire. Better luck next time.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      XD!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      View Postlphantoml, on Oct 14 2006, 02:32 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Foreigner stupidity starts to really wear on you doesnt Mr.T?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Awww I love you too Phantom.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (Longest post by me, EVER)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Edit-Whoa, two people posted while I typed all that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Phantom, seeing as you edited your post. I have no quarrel with Canada, I quite like the fact you are choosing Canada over America. It is my 3rd favourite country, Australia being 1st and Thailand 2nd.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Can't seem to quote it so here:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "No one HAS to vote in ANY country, I dont know what your on."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      For one Australia has to vote, HAS to or there is a big fine.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If they don't want to vote they can donkey vote or vote for the greens or something.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 14 October 2006 - 12:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'd better stop you before you get youself in trouble, or worse yet (and much more likely) humiliate yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        First off, I don't think the fact that he was directly linked to Osama is a stupid reason. He was linked to the terrorist that bombed our country, that's good enough for me, the President, and a ton of other people, except for you apparently. And if we hadn't invaded Iraq, other countries could have been bombed, regardless of safety precaustions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now that I agree with, except for the part about us beating up China, which we didn't do. The people who traded with China did, but as far as I, and everyone else in the world (except for you) know, the US government hasn't traded opium with China. The fact that you said that is stupid.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, and were supposed to be able to see into the future, and know that someone we trained is going to build an army and attack us? Sure, believe what you want. Regardless of what we did, we couldn't have known he'd do this, and now that we're fixing the problem, everyone wnat's us to stop what we're doing so he can bomb everyone else. (Yeah, that means he might target you). So we're doing everyone a favor by takeing him, and anyone associated with him (yes, that means Saddam too) down.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You'll have to give a link to that article, because that right there means nothing. Clinton didn't do anything to stop any terrorists, yet people liked him, while bush is trying to stop terrorists, and everyone hates him. Just goes to show you that the majority of people these days (apparently you as well), are pro-terrorist. Kinda odd, don't you think?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, and it also states, though not directly, that the government didn't do this. A Privately owned company did. And has since been taken care of. As far as I know, we don't depend on anyone elses cash. So I'm sorry, you lose.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That article, quite ohnestly, made me laugh until I nearly suffocated. I's good tactic though, trying to make me laugh to death so you win. Yeah, just so happens "Dude, where's my country?" Is biased, and unreliable. And just to let you know, out of the many times we went to try and investigate if Saddam had any weapons, he would let us look everywhere except for certain places. He never let us look everywhere at one time. This gave absolutely reasonable suspiscion that he could be harboring weapons of mass destruction. Wouldn't you think I was hiding something from you if I let you look everywhere except for one place, every time you looked? Yeah, I thought so, you would.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So enough of your funny jokes, lets get serious. Come on, give me your best shot.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 14 October 2006 - 12:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You know what Mr.T. America did trade Opium. I did provide a link and/or a source for my articles. Everything I said is correct, and as for your point of view that Michael Moore is biast, yes he is and that's why people love him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          History is written by the winner.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 14 October 2006 - 01:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I never said that the US didn't, I said the Government didn't, and that merchants did.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And being biased may make people love him, but that doesn't make his comments anymore true. He's just another Bush basher. Your links are biased, so there's only a hint of truth to them if any.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Basically, I'm just saying that Bush is doing the World a great favor, and everyone is spitting on him for it. And that, my friend, is not right.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Now that were done discussing it, I have more important things to attend to.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posted 14 October 2006 - 03:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              View PostMr.T, on Oct 14 2006, 03:01 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So this time, I'm afraid you lose. Again. And by a kid who's in the eighth grade too.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ...Ehhh...no - your arguments are either made up or...actually, most of the arguments you just posted agree with me. You've just given in saying that everything i said was true, but that you think its ok. Thats fair enough. I do not think its ok. I think its evil. Most of the rest of the world population thinks its evil. You seem to be the kind of person who would justify anything the US did. If the US went around shooting babies, you'd justify it. This means you arent worth arguing with sadly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              View Postwatch, on Oct 14 2006, 04:13 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And no way did your arugements come close to countering Raven.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Its rather hopeless isnt it, I bet if this was about Britain or Australia we wouldnt just be blindly defending our countries x.x

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              As a general point - no one in europe needs nor wants US protection. And think about this, HOW have you helped Europe? We got blown up *because* we were allied to you - if we werent, we wouldnt have been hit. I think the penny has dropped in Europe - Tony Blair will be gone within a year and then, finally, Britain can maybe get someone into power who does not believe that doing everything the US says is the way forward. Its just a shame our current government was so weak about this. Everyone hated the fact we went in for that Iraq war, the next prime minister is NOT gonna make that mistake again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The US looks after itself and uses its allies to its own ends. We want to pull out of Iraq but you guys are getting upset about that cos you cant handle it on your own.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ultimately it comes down to this:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You police the world (for oil - there is no other reason, im sorry - it sure as hell isnt humanitarian issues) and dont like it when the world claims it doesnt want to be policed. Newsflash - expect people to attack you. You have a covert world empire. Problem is, everyone knows about it. You are the common enemy of a great deal of other countries and a pain in the backside to the rest of the others. Im all for you guys spreading understanding and awareness of the US, but you have to realise that we dont dislike you cos you're american, we dislike you cos you meddle in our affairs univitedly for your own ends, and blow the hell out of everything that disagrees with you. We never asked you to do that. You did it for yourselves - so before you can say "Its for the worlds good" How in the damn hell would you know?! Its for US good only. It always is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              As a side note, when China replaces you, everyone will hate them too. People wont care about you anymore. You'll essentially turn into what Britain and France are now - although if Europe pulls together then we have a stronger collective economy than you and a bigger army. Oh and China has the worlds biggest army anyway, not you. But people wont hate you anymore^^ Thats good right?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 14 October 2006 - 04:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Now your in denile, and talking like a terroist. I wouldn't blindly agree with everything the US does, I'm against that fact that Clinton gave nuke plans to our enemies. And hate to break it to you, but I'm not one to be argued with. Trust me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Take a good look. I've hardly agreed wiht you at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't know how many times I have to tell you foreigners, WE DON'T POLICE THE WORLD FOR OIL. It's just another fake point you bring up to make us look bad, and it's not even true. It's an opinion, and a very biased one at that. You only say this because you have nothing better to argue.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                We can handle it on our own, we'd just get more casualties. Something we don't want. If you wan't to pull out, you're pretty much saying that you want to be bombed again. Go ahead, pull out of Iraq and get yourselves killed because of it (by the terrorists), or, you could stick with something for once and get rid of the terrorists.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh yes, we secretly control the world. Whatever we say goes. NEWS FLASH. There's a little thing called the UN, it stands for the "United Nations," something that the US, and Britain are a part of. No one controls the world. If America did, the Chinese would be speaking english now, don't you think?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                We're the enemy of a great deal of countries, who either just hate us (like you do, but Britain isn't an enemy yet), or just so happens to be chok full of terrorists. Like Iraq.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                No, I'm sorry, we don't blow up everything that dissagrees with us. If we did, according to you the world wouldn't exist, don't you think?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You can't really say that getting rid of terrorists is only bennifiting us. If we get rid of the terrorists (which is why we're in Iraq), then that bennifits the world, not just ourselves. Sorry, but your just getting angry now, and it's really showing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                See? Right there. That's what I'm talking about. You hate us because we're the superpower of the world, and you admitted it too. I also hate to break it to you, but it's highly unlikely that China will even attack us. And if they did, yeah, they have a bigger army, but we have bigger guns. We also have more nukes than them, and much better technology. One technology being stealth aircraft. This is why we're the superpower now, because of our strong military. And trust me, you're better off haveing us as the Superpower instead of China.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So, once again, you lose. You can post again and try to dig yourself out of the hole, but it won't work. Do yourself a favor and quit while your behind. Besides, I have to work.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 14 October 2006 - 05:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ...i just saw how old you are.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You're right, i was wrong - America is everything good in the world - how could i have been so blind. Forgive me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Just another 6 billion+ people to convince now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Purely out of interest though - "trust me, you would rather have us as a superpower than china" On what basis should i trust you? are you an expert in this field? such a joke..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 14 October 2006 - 05:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    View PostMr.T, on Oct 14 2006, 05:34 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Your links are biased, so there's only a hint of truth to them if any.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Uhh they were links to Newspapers and Government officals speaking, how much more legit could they get? Besides Bush is biased by your logic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    View PostRavenblade, on Oct 14 2006, 07:48 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Its rather hopeless isnt it, I bet if this was about Britain or Australia we wouldnt just be blindly defending our countries x.x

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I would defend Australia. I really would, but I would not defend John Howard or the government. Our federal Government sucks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    View PostMr.T, on Oct 14 2006, 08:17 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Now your in denile, and talking like a terroist. I wouldn't blindly agree with everything the US does, I'm against that fact that Clinton gave nuke plans to our enemies. And hate to break it to you, but I'm not one to be argued with. Trust me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Take a good look. I've hardly agreed wiht you at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't know how many times I have to tell you foreigners, WE DON'T POLICE THE WORLD FOR OIL. It's just another fake point you bring up to make us look bad, and it's not even true. It's an opinion, and a very biased one at that. You only say this because you have nothing better to argue.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We can handle it on our own, we'd just get more casualties. Something we don't want. If you wan't to pull out, you're pretty much saying that you want to be bombed again. Go ahead, pull out of Iraq and get yourselves killed because of it (by the terrorists), or, you could stick with something for once and get rid of the terrorists.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh yes, we secretly control the world. Whatever we say goes. NEWS FLASH. There's a little thing called the UN, it stands for the "United Nations," something that the US, and Britain are a part of. No one controls the world. If America did, the Chinese would be speaking english now, don't you think?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We're the enemy of a great deal of countries, who either just hate us (like you do, but Britain isn't an enemy yet), or just so happens to be chok full of terrorists. Like Iraq.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    No, I'm sorry, we don't blow up everything that dissagrees with us. If we did, according to you the world wouldn't exist, don't you think?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You can't really say that getting rid of terrorists is only bennifiting us. If we get rid of the terrorists (which is why we're in Iraq), then that bennifits the world, not just ourselves. Sorry, but your just getting angry now, and it's really showing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    See? Right there. That's what I'm talking about. You hate us because we're the superpower of the world, and you admitted it too. I also hate to break it to you, but it's highly unlikely that China will even attack us. And if they did, yeah, they have a bigger army, but we have bigger guns. We also have more nukes than them, and much better technology. One technology being stealth aircraft. This is why we're the superpower now, because of our strong military. And trust me, you're better off haveing us as the Superpower instead of China.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So, once again, you lose. You can post again and try to dig yourself out of the hole, but it won't work. Do yourself a favor and quit while your behind. Besides, I have to work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    O **** Raven, they are onto the fact that all foreigners are terriosts, better unstrap my C4.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You do police the world for oil. Iraq anyone? (Please don't bring up the thing that you think you weren't there for oil but to fix it, it's teidous)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Iraq is not full of terriosts. That was Osama, not Saddam, Saddam was just evil.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes the UN 'controls' the world, but did you listen to them when you went to Iraq? No.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Again Iraq not full of terriosts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You do like trying to stop people who disagree with you, Vietnam.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    London and Bali only got bombed because of America, don't try to make us scared of Terriosm, I personally am not. There is nothing to bomb in Australia.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I also hate to break it to you, but it's highly unlikely that China will even attack us. And if they did, yeah, they have a bigger army, but we have bigger guns. We also have more nukes than them, and much better technology. One technology being stealth aircraft. This is why we're the superpower now, because of our strong military.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If China gets enough allies. I'm talking like Germany Japan allies.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    France, Middle East, Asia. You cannot take on the world.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And you are the superpower becuase unlike China or Europe or the rest of Asia you have not been taken apart. China Opium Wars, rest of the world WWII. What happened to America in WWII, Pearl Harbour. Thats it. Before that you weren't interested in the war.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So, once again, you lose. You can post again and try to dig yourself out of the hole, but it won't work. Do yourself a favor and quit while your behind. Besides, I have to work.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Raven you are so right. This is like discussing religion with Izar. We use opinion, that isn't enough, we use facts that isn't enough. I colour it in with crayons for you, that doesn't work.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posted 14 October 2006 - 06:21 AM

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Have a great day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 14 October 2006 - 07:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I hate big posts for the record.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I didn't want to post this earlier but I do agree, almost completely in what Raven says earlier... we're the country that boasts our power around the most, and basically throws the weight around where it isn't needed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Why can't we leave it up to the UN?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe I don't know enough, but I just don't see what our burden is to stick our noses where they don't belong.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's a dirty job, but I guess some country has to do it. =/

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 14 October 2006 - 08:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          View PostWind Dude, on Oct 14 2006, 09:13 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I hate big posts for the record.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I didn't want to post this earlier but I do agree, almost completely in what Raven says earlier... we're the country that boasts our power around the most, and basically throws the weight around where it isn't needed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Why can't we leave it up to the UN?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Maybe I don't know enough, but I just don't see what our burden is to stick our noses where they don't belong.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's a dirty job, but I guess some country has to do it. =/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not really, Iraq had no hope.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 14 October 2006 - 04:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well Phantom and WD are both correct. What a good day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              View Postlphantoml, on Oct 14 2006, 04:56 PM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not really, Iraq had no hope.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah that's the perfect reason!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hey, around the half of Africa has no hope either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LETS BOMB THEM!!! :D

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Becuase half of Africa doesn't have terrorists (or at least nearly as many) as Iraq. :P
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Look, this is obviously going nowhere. That's why I havn't posted in a while here. Go ahead and talk about your nonsense. I have better things to do with my time than trying to talk some sense into biased foreigners. <_<

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posted 17 October 2006 - 09:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What I like is how the topic was originally about one thing, but then suddenly it veered completely into another thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Gee, thanks for the hate, guys.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posted 18 October 2006 - 12:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    View PostMr.T, on Oct 18 2006, 06:09 AM, said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Becuase half of Africa doesn't have terrorists (or at least nearly as many) as Iraq. :P
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Look, this is obviously going nowhere. That's why I havn't posted in a while here. Go ahead and talk about your nonsense. I have better things to do with my time than trying to talk some sense into biased foreigners. <_<

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm sure you do. And the fact half of Africa is corrupt and pretty screwed up doesn't bother you. Some Muslim trying to pray does?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Basically, we were attacked because our religion was different from theirs. HMM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted 18 October 2006 - 10:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well that and apparently becuase you are infidels. But hold on, now I really am not certain here. Weren't the crusades becuase Christians tried to force Christianity on Muslims?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posted 18 October 2006 - 11:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, and how long ago was that? O yeah, about a few HUNDRED YEARS. Beofre America was established. And they weren't attacked because of their religion, the only ones attacked were the ones in Israel which at the time was considered the holy land by Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike. Christians attacked Muslims when the Muslims took control of it. And the generals weren't even very hostile towards eachother. One christian general got sick, and his opponent gave him an herb remedy to get better. I spent about 5 months studying the subject last year, so I know this is accurate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posted 19 October 2006 - 03:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have to agree with Mr T on this one, the crusades are a moot point as they happened so long ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            However, WD, you didnt get attacked cos of your religion, i really dont understand why everyone in the west thinks that september the 11th was unprovoked. We DID provoke them =/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We invaded their land and bullied them into cheap prices for oil. If anything, trace this back to the First Gulf War when we were giving Sadam Hussein all those weapons we just invaded his country to allegedly get rid of. This is utterly our fault. Its just a shame the fundamentalist muslims are so psychotic...but really, we started this, no question about it. We (and i say WE not the US for diplomatic purposes) should just stay the hell out of the freaking middle east like basically everyone in the region wants us to =/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            EDIT - I just came across this. Its not linked to the topic properly but still, THIS is what we get for going to Iraq.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Simply put, i cant wait to leave the country. I feel really protected, im so glad we helped the US in its war on terrorism. You see what US policy is doing to the rest of the world yet?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Look, my point about the crusades was because WD said "Basically, we were attacked because our religion was different from theirs."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ok? I was just saying about the Christians and the Muslims. No need to bite my head of.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Britain has become the main target for a resurgent al-Qaida, which has successfully regrouped and now presents a greater threat than ever before, according to counter-terrorist officials."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thats what you get for helping.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              'presents a greater threat than ever before'
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I thought all the terriosts were dead America.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Raven, come to Australia, we have nothing to bomb. And as long as the terriosts don't bomb Southport, some family lives there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posted 19 October 2006 - 07:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think America has taken enough of a beating here - terrorism has been responded to badly on a global level, we all agreed to move under americas intiative so there is some blame right through the ranks. If america wanted to sink the entire middle east, i dont think i would oppose it - it would make all of us much safer. But then, thats evil so...I dunno.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As for America, its important to remember that the American Empire has the potential to do a hell of a lot of good for the world. And there have been some really good things to happen as a result of you guys, I have particular respect for Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson as they tried really hard to make their UN/League of Nations creations work so that there would be an end to wars.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But then...something went wrong in America and you guys are well away from what those men were hoping to achieve now. The Cold War is perhaps to blame. I just think its a shame given how much good you could have done.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I agree with most of what you said. I also agree that we've had our share of bad leaders. But as for saying it would be evil to level the middle east (I mean only the terrorist infested, and supporters of terrorists there), yeah, it would, but isn't it also evil that the terrorists attack and kill innocent people in our own countries?


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