[Someone Else]

Well, if you believe in the theory of evolution, I suppose mutations are as natural as anything else. Why are so many people double-jointed, anyway? Absolutely everybody has some sort of distinct mutation somewhere, the real question is who realizes this.

[Ironsight]

If being ghey is not a mutation, then it is a state of mind.

[Someone Else]

That wasn't my point.

[My Best Wishes]

killercoz, on Nov 3 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

Just because everyone doesnt have the same qualities, it doesnt mean the qualities arent natural.

Alcoholism is natural?
By that logic I could assume a number of things.

Wind Dude, on Nov 3 2007, 03:03 PM, said:

Let's see...

Mutations are natural. Maybe I'm crazy-- no wait, I am crazy, so never mind, let's assume that perhaps some part of your brain is mutated so that you find the same sex attractive. Therefore, homosexuality can in some cases be a natural occurrence.

Same thing to be said about mental "disorders" or "variation". Disorders happen naturally, so with that said, what's wrong about homosexuality if the person can't help it? Do you expect them to be alone? Humans are social beings and they like having somebody around them. The exception is me, where all human beings, both male and female, are not worth my time. :P

Mutations can occur naturally and are troublesome. (Cancer)
I could say that maybe Homosexuality is natural, in a mutation sense, but as an uncontrollable, 'natural' sense? No, that is Bull****.

[Wiflewood]

Yeah, I was putting across the mutation theory as that definition of 'natural'

I don't quite understand what you mean when you say "uncontrollable, 'natural' sense", could you elaborate?

@Caael from a few pages back: Yeah I can see your point, although there are a lot of genetic variations that aren't passed on aren't there? For example if you were born with an extra finger then it doesn't mean all your offspring have an extra finger.

Alternatively, it could be a recessive gene, so its not always active - it might skip a few generations. So someone might be homosexual and his brother straight, but the homo gene is only active in the *** brother. Obviously he won't pass on the gene cos he won't have sex with a woman, but the straight brother might pass it on, but again, it might skip a few generations.

Although I'd guess that we'd need a research study to back that up, e.g looking at the number of *** people per family. Also, I hope that last paragraph made some sense, I haven't done biology in a while :P

[My Best Wishes]

Wiflewood, on Nov 3 2007, 07:40 PM, said:

Yeah, I was putting across the mutation theory as that definition of 'natural'

I don't quite understand what you mean when you say "uncontrollable, 'natural' sense", could you elaborate?

@Caael from a few pages back: Yeah I can see your point, although there are a lot of genetic variations that aren't passed on aren't there? For example if you were born with an extra finger then it doesn't mean all your offspring have an extra finger.

Alternatively, it could be a recessive gene, so its not always active - it might skip a few generations. So someone might be homosexual and his brother straight, but the homo gene is only active in the *** brother. Obviously he won't pass on the gene cos he won't have sex with a woman, but the straight brother might pass it on, but again, it might skip a few generations.

Although I'd guess that we'd need a research study to back that up, e.g looking at the number of *** people per family. Also, I hope that last paragraph made some sense, I haven't done biology in a while :P

Yea sure. I mean that when you speak to most gay people they're always going about how they didn't choose to be gay, and how they can't control/help it.

Yea you're Biology made sense, looks like you do know what a recessive gene is :P

[Folcon]

watch, on Nov 3 2007, 03:42 AM, said:

Alcoholism is natural?

Not neccacarly natural, but it is genitic, like diaetes or inreeaced chances ofheart desease. My grandmother was an alcohlic, and my mom's always been concerned about whatever drinking I do because I have a higher risk for alcholism.

whether of not homosexuality is natural or not, and I do think it is, some people are just born *** and don't realise it until puberty and hormones kick in, why the f*** should it matter if some is *** or not? They are still human beungs, why judge someone because of who they choose to sleep with. Like I said in an earlyer post, as long as both parties are consenting adults, why should it matter?

[Firemblemaniac]

They're prolly covering up themselves. I don't believe in evolutoin, BTW....

[Caael]

Way to spell, escout : P

Firemblemaniac, on Nov 3 2007, 05:22 PM, said:

They're prolly covering up themselves. I don't believe in evolutoin, BTW....

Covering what up, exactly? Being *** until puberty? To be honest, everybody until the age of about 8 has some form of repellent towards the opposite sex. Dont say that when you were younger you had thousands of gf's, because you didn't. Because of immaturity in kids, they will always think that different is bad, shown in behaviour towards the opposite gender, or something else, like weaning or moving house. Kids dont like change, but eventually they will accept it.

What that had to do at the topic at hand I dont know.

[Firemblemaniac]

I like to say "Prolly". Get over it. And, for a fact, I did hang out with girls.

[Someone Else]

I did too actually, almost more than would hang out with dudes. But Caael still has a point.

[Wiflewood]

But girls have cooties.

[Caael]

^^^

That's basically what I meant in that very confusing paragraph I posted earlier.

[My Best Wishes]

Yea, look I'm confused. Between Caael, WD, Wifle and this new guy I have no idea what's being discussed.

[Eugine]

hmm, whether being homosexual is natural or not?

[Quacnar]

Did any of you choose to be straight?

[Caael]

I just was. There was no deciding, it was just there.

[Laharl]

killercoz, on Nov 4 2007, 03:03 PM, said:

Did any of you choose to be straight?

i decided my sexual orientation with a user poll on Sky News.

seriously this thread is a joke and nothing comes from getting caught up in it. You guys just repeat yourselves constantly

I'm sorry but i find it very difficult to believe that you are actually ***, with you being 14 and all.

[Saturos S.]

The guys who hang around groups of girls a lot, and them being their only friends, are often the boys who other boys (straight football, manly boys) depict as ***.

...basic boy politics people...

[Quacnar]

Earth Dude, on Nov 4 2007, 04:55 PM, said:

I just was. There was no deciding, it was just there.

Thats my point. If straight people didnt choose to be straight, then why would only *** people have this choice?

laharl the slayer, on Nov 4 2007, 05:27 PM, said:

i decided my sexual orientation with a user poll on Sky News.

seriously this thread is a joke and nothing comes from getting caught up in it. You guys just repeat yourselves constantly

I'm sorry but i find it very difficult to believe that you are actually ***, with you being 14 and all.

Just become I am young it doesnt mean I dont know my sexual preference.

[Eugine]

Well, adolescence is very confusing to most individuals. I say don't categorize yourself until your hormones have stopped errupting.

[My Best Wishes]

He is only 14. I can stop debating now. I thought he was at least 17 or 18 to be that convinced he's gay.

[Quacnar]

watch, on Nov 4 2007, 08:38 PM, said:

He is only 14. I can stop debating now. I thought he was at least 17 or 18 to be that convinced he's gay.

Just because I am 14 and regardless of whether or not Im ***(which I am) you shoulndt stop debating. I still have arguement and good points to bring to this discussion regardless of who I am.

[Toasty]

Regardless of my religion (christianity), I don't agree with *** marrage. I just don't think it's right. And as the saying goes, god made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

If it was adam and steve, there'd be no human race. Period.

And that's metaphorically speaking, for all of you people who would say "STFU U R JUST RELIGUS!1"

[Eugine]

Wow killercoz, at 14 you're checking guys? (you have to be checking them to know you're *** right?). Come on straight or not, isn't that a bit too young?
At your age I was more concerned with anime, cartoon and games... Not 'checking'... but then I went to an all-boy school. That explained my lack of interest?

My advise: Hold up. You're way too young?

[Someone Else]

I think people can become *** if they are constantly rejected or verbally abused by the opposite sex.

[My Best Wishes]

killercoz, on Nov 5 2007, 02:00 PM, said:

Just because I am 14 and regardless of whether or not Im ***(which I am) you shoulndt stop debating. I still have arguement and good points to bring to this discussion regardless of who I am.

This will sound degrading and condescending as all hell, but, you are 14. You're in year 8 mate. You're confused and believe me, I wasn't overly interested in girls at 14. I liked a couple but nothing compared to today. Give it a few years, with an open mind.

Wind Dude, on Nov 5 2007, 04:34 PM, said:

I think people can become *** if they are constantly rejected or verbally abused by the opposite sex.

In very extreme circumstances maybe. It would take a lot of rejection to turn to guys from girls...

[Folcon]

Yet it seems to take very little to turns girls from guys.

[Wiflewood]

Agreed with everyone regarding killeroz: Thats the age (or even earlier perhaps) that everyone experiments with their sexuality. Pretty much every scene kid in the country will tell you their bi around that age, till they realise that actually, they're not.
Heck, even I kissed a couple of boys round that age.

Fair enough if you think you are gay, but as watch said, keep an open mind. Don't convince yourself your gay if your not.

[Caael]

Dude of Wind, on Nov 5 2007, 06:20 AM, said:

Regardless of my religion (christianity), I don't agree with *** marrage. I just don't think it's right. And as the saying goes, god made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

If it was adam and steve, there'd be no human race. Period.

And that's metaphorically speaking, for all of you people who would say "STFU U R JUST RELIGUS!1"

I'm sorry, but i'll have to stop you right there. Adam and Eve didn't populate the earth. They were never real. If they were supposedly the first living things, why do we have museums full of dinosaur skeletons? I'm not trying to burst your bubble...well I am, but i'm not going to take this further.

[Quacnar]

Wind Dude, on Nov 5 2007, 02:34 AM, said:

I think people can become *** if they are constantly rejected or verbally abused by the opposite sex.

They might think theyre ***, but their actual sexual orientation hasnt changed.

watch, on Nov 5 2007, 02:50 AM, said:

This will sound degrading and condescending as all hell, but, you are 14. You're in year 8 mate. You're confused and believe me, I wasn't overly interested in girls at 14. I liked a couple but nothing compared to today. Give it a few years, with an open mind.
In very extreme circumstances maybe. It would take a lot of rejection to turn to guys from girls...

Im not sure what year 8 means(if it means 8th grade im not in 8th, Im in 9th) and you shouldnt be telling me im straight. I understand why some of you would say things about unsurity at this age, considering I am a teen, but the thing is people seem to tell a lot more *** teens that there unsure then straight teens. In general I am young, and even if (even though I think its unlikely) that Im straight I would still feel very strongly about my opinions towards *** marriage and *** adoption(*** rights in general).

[My Best Wishes]

Earth Dude, on Nov 6 2007, 02:31 AM, said:

I'm sorry, but i'll have to stop you right there. Adam and Eve didn't populate the earth. They were never real. If they were supposedly the first living things, why do we have museums full of dinosaur skeletons? I'm not trying to burst your bubble...well I am, but i'm not going to take this further.

Caael don't start that here.
1. Toasty was using a religious argument, why would he not use Adam and Eve?
2. Just rebut, who actually knows how long they were in that garden. Its possible **** was happening outside the garden before they partook of the fruit. The bible says they had a literal fall, as in falling down to the ground.

killercoz, on Nov 6 2007, 09:30 AM, said:

They might think theyre ***, but their actual sexual orientation hasnt changed.
Im not sure what year 8 means(if it means 8th grade im not in 8th, Im in 9th) and you shouldnt be telling me im straight. I understand why some of you would say things about unsurity at this age, considering I am a teen, but the thing is people seem to tell a lot more *** teens that there unsure then straight teens. In general I am young, and even if (even though I think its unlikely) that Im straight I would still feel very strongly about my opinions towards *** marriage and *** adoption(*** rights in general).

Yea Year 8 is 8th grade. Okay you're in year 9, most 14yo's are in year 8 down here. Still, you're 14! If you think you're gay, okay that's your choice.
Gay adoption though. I'm against gay marriage because I feel it sullies the value of marriage, but what right do gay couples have to **** up a otherwise normal kids life?

[Quacnar]

watch, on Nov 5 2007, 08:27 PM, said:

Gay adoption though. I'm against gay marriage because I feel it sullies the value of marriage, but what right do gay couples have to **** up a otherwise normal kids life?

Im sorry but WHAT!!?!?!?!??
Kids often grow up in families without a father or a mother, this would just be having an extra mom or dad. Also how would *** people screw a childs life up, if anything the child would become more open. Why should anyone tell you who that you cannot love, marry, or have children like a straight couple can?

[My Best Wishes]

killercoz, on Nov 6 2007, 10:51 AM, said:

Im sorry but WHAT!!?!?!?!??
Kids often grow up in families without a father or a mother, this would just be having an extra mom or dad. Also how would *** people screw a childs life up, if anything the child would become more open. Why should anyone tell you who that you cannot love, marry, or have children like a straight couple can?

Yes and that can be melted down to a number of factors. Are you really so naive you think people are going to treat a kid with two dads normally in High School? The kid would be scarred for life, what about when he figures out that it's not normal to have two dads or two mums? Dude it's not meant to happen, I'm sorry. We're made the way we're made. We have imperfections but they are human error. (Cancer can be caused by enviromental factors, ie, man made factors)

[Eugine]

watch, you are so anti-ghey. It's really appalling... I was like that a year ago, but now I'm more accepting. Or trying to be.

Anyway, I do not believe in homosexual couples adopting children. Because
1) It can be very confusing to the child.
2) In this present world, homosexual couples aren't fully accepting. Bringing a child into this isn't very nice imo. Why scar a child, based on your sexual orientation? And please don't tell me teasing and whatnot wouldn't happen. It will

But really, isn't it a bit weird? Honestly...

[Laharl]

Homosexuality is pretty much condemned by every religion so will be lay off the adam and eve crap, seriously if you take that literally then you're not worth having a disscussion with.

Homosexuality is not natural because it defies logic in terms of evolution, put it this way why something choose to be unable to further it's species? Other species do contain homosexuality simply because natural selection kills it off. If you're into that creationism ****, i don't wanna hear it, go and reread the book of genesis or something...

[Quacnar]

.eugine, on Nov 5 2007, 09:23 PM, said:

Anyway, I do not believe in homosexual couples adopting children. Because
1) It can be very confusing to the child.
2) In this present world, homosexual couples aren't fully accepting. Bringing a child into this isn't very nice imo. Why scar a child, based on your sexual orientation? And please don't tell me teasing and whatnot wouldn't happen. It will

But really, isn't it a bit weird? Honestly...

What would the child be confused about? If *** adoption was allowed there would be several kids with *** parents for them to relate to. I dont see how homosexual couples are less excepting then heterosexual parents, I would think that they would be more open. Teasing will happen and I am not trying to deny that, but its the only way homoosexuals will be excepted in life is if they are allowed to have children. Racism has been considereed wrong, sexism has been considered wrong, why is being anti-*** any better than hating people for their beliefs, skin color, or sex?

[My Best Wishes]

.eugine, on Nov 6 2007, 11:23 AM, said:

watch, you are so anti-ghey. It's really appalling... I was like that a year ago, but now I'm more accepting. Or trying to be.

That's a bit wierd, we normally argee on most things. I don't see why though, I don't know any of my friends that are pro-gay. It must really just be an American thing, what with all the freedom to bear arms and have racist terrorist organisations...
Must people just think gay and go "ewwww".

killercoz, on Nov 6 2007, 12:51 PM, said:

What would the child be confused about? If *** adoption was allowed there would be several kids with *** parents for them to relate to. I dont see how homosexual couples are less excepting then heterosexual parents, I would think that they would be more open. Teasing will happen and I am not trying to deny that, but its the only way homoosexuals will be excepted in life is if they are allowed to have children. Racism has been considereed wrong, sexism has been considered wrong, why is being anti-*** any better than hating people for their beliefs, skin color, or sex?

Are you serious? You get a 7 year old kid coming home from Kidergarden or whatever going "daddy, why do I not have a mummy", try explaining that man.
Maybe .eugine meant that Homo couples are fully accepted yet, that would make more sense.
Homosexual couples won't be accepted if they run for President. It's that simple. You claim racism and sexism and all that crap is wrong. Yea, you're right, that gets drilled into our heads as kids. But you don't honestly believe that people aren't still racist and sexist do you? People think Asians are bad drivers, Abo's just piss their lives away on grog, Wog's have 'doff' 'doff' cars and no brains and that all Muslims are terrorists. It's just the world we live in, it's hateful, confusing, and very quickly losing all morals. Except I seem to be the only one in this online place to see it. I still see the good in life, I live and enjoy it every day, but all I have to do is flick on primetime TV or the news and I see how **** this place has become.
Homosexuality is wrong, and I'm getting tired of repeating it.

[Quacnar]

watch, on Nov 5 2007, 11:34 PM, said:

That's a bit wierd, we normally argee on most things. I don't see why though, I don't know any of my friends that are pro-gay. It must really just be an American thing, what with all the freedom to bear arms and have racist terrorist organisations...
Must people just think gay and go "ewwww".
Are you serious? You get a 7 year old kid coming home from Kidergarden or whatever going "daddy, why do I not have a mummy", try explaining that man.
Maybe .eugine meant that Homo couples are fully accepted yet, that would make more sense.
Homosexual couples won't be accepted if they run for President. It's that simple. You claim racism and sexism and all that crap is wrong. Yea, you're right, that gets drilled into our heads as kids. But you don't honestly believe that people aren't still racist and sexist do you? People think Asians are bad drivers, Abo's just piss their lives away on grog, Wog's have 'doff' 'doff' cars and no brains and that all Muslims are terrorists. It's just the world we live in, it's hateful, confusing, and very quickly losing all morals. Except I seem to be the only one in this online place to see it. I still see the good in life, I live and enjoy it every day, but all I have to do is flick on primetime TV or the news and I see how **** this place has become.
Homosexuality is wrong, and I'm getting tired of repeating it.

Whats the difference between that and being a single pareent. Hed still have to explain to his son that his mothers dead. Also there has been speculation that one opf our presidents James Buchanan might have been ***. He was the only president that didnt marry and he had some sort of special advisor. Im not saying people arent racist and sexist I am saying that its wrong to be racist and sexist just like its wrong to be anti-***.

[My Best Wishes]

Yes and you're right with that. Although I see no problem in being anti-homosexuality. Most religions (mine included) are not againest gas, they're againest practicing homosexuality.

[Golden Legacy]

Haven't debated in this topic for a while, definitely need to get back into it.

That said, I'm curious watch - how does religion differentiate "being ***" from "practicing homosexuality"? Wouldn't both be considered wrong, and wouldn't that mean that people who are *** (assuming that it's "natural" for them) are simply wrong because of something they can't help?

(I'm still leaning conservative and against homosexuality, but I'm curious to hear this other side of the argument).

[My Best Wishes]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 6 2007, 04:02 PM, said:

Haven't debated in this topic for a while, definitely need to get back into it.

That said, I'm curious watch - how does religion differentiate "being ***" from "practicing homosexuality"? Wouldn't both be considered wrong, and wouldn't that mean that people who are *** (assuming that it's "natural" for them) are simply wrong because of something they can't help?

(I'm still leaning conservative and against homosexuality, but I'm curious to hear this other side of the argument).

If religion persecuted people who couldn't help it that wouldn't be very Christ like would it?
I'm speaking from my church here (LDS), in that you can be a Mormon if you are gay, as long as you don't practice homosexuality. So there's a guy who goes to a different ward to me but meets in the same building who is gay, but because he doesn't practice homosexuality (which is sinful) he's fine.
Did that make sense/answer your question?

[Saturos S.]

Well, here in Holland the *** community is well accepted. They're allowed to marry, and a lot of them are highly regarded in the business world. Knowing a few *** couples myself, they're all normal. The few extreme guys who have sex in bushes near public places and walk in tight leather pants, give the ***s a bad name. Most *** people are just as nice and sensible as the rest of us,

The thing with adoption though, is pretty hard on the child. Being an apdopted child, your situation at home isn't the average situation. When the kid is still little, it could be confusing and give the child a hard time at school, ie. being teased by other kids. Though morally speaking it should be allowed and a great alternative, but in real life, where there are still people who fiercely hate *** people and don't accept them. It's just too much a burden on the adopted child.

[Caael]

watch, on Nov 6 2007, 06:45 AM, said:

If religion persecuted people who couldn't help it that wouldn't be very Christ like would it?
I'm speaking from my church here (LDS), in that you can be a Mormon if you are ***, as long as you don't practice homosexuality. So there's a guy who goes to a different ward to me but meets in the same building who is ***, but because he doesn't practice homosexuality (which is sinful) he's fine.
Did that make sense/answer your question?

To be honest, there's not a lot you can do that isn't sinful these days.

[Quacnar]

Saturos Striker, on Nov 6 2007, 02:55 AM, said:

Well, here in Holland the *** community is well accepted. They're allowed to marry, and a lot of them are highly regarded in the business world. Knowing a few *** couples myself, they're all normal. The few extreme guys who have sex in bushes near public places and walk in tight leather pants, give the ***s a bad name. Most *** people are just as nice and sensible as the rest of us,

The thing with adoption though, is pretty hard on the child. Being an apdopted child, your situation at home isn't the average situation. When the kid is still little, it could be confusing and give the child a hard time at school, ie. being teased by other kids. Though morally speaking it should be allowed and a great alternative, but in real life, where there are still people who fiercely hate *** people and don't accept them. It's just too much a burden on the adopted child.

I see what youre saying. Perhaps the world is just not ready for gay adoption, but in the long run as people become more open-minded and tolerant(like they did with religions, races, and women) gays should be allowed to adopt. There is still no good reason why gays shouldnt be able to marry.

[Quacnar]

WHAT IS THE BEST POSSIBLE 100TH POST FOR THE RIDDLER? BRINGING BACK HIS FAVORITE TOPIC FROM THE GRAVE!!! DID YOU KNOW THAT IN THE 1966 BATMAN SERIES WITH ADAM WEST THEY ADDED THE CHARACTER AUNT HARRIET SO THAT THE ACCUSATIONS THAT BATMAN AND ROBIN WERE IN AN HOMOEROTIC RELATIONSHIP WOULD END. OH HOW ANTI-*** THE WORLD CAN BE.

[redchi]

it dont bother me everone should have someone to love and be loved :D

[Drizzy Drake]

Gender shouldn't mean anything, but in today's standards it does. I find it odd that even the anti-gheys don't mind lesbian couples, but they are appaled at two men kissing, ord holding hands.

[Platinum Sun]

That's because two men making out isn't hot.

Umm... I mean, Clearly two women would provide a more nurtuing household than two men, which would be of great benefit to society.

[Drizzy Drake]

How so?

Men can be just as careing, if not more so, than women. Especially ghey men(streotypical ghey men atleast).

[Platinum Sun]

Someone else back me up. Did I not make my sarcasm obvious enough here? Because I really tried.

[Drizzy Drake]

Oh ya, that wasn't that obvious. ALright hen. Sarcasm point taken.

[Eugine]

I thought you were serious PS. Sry man, but I didn't see the sarcasm lol.

[Someone Else]

Platinum Sun, on Jan 26 2008, 06:24 PM, said:

Someone else back me up. Did I not make my sarcasm obvious enough here? Because I really tried.

*backs PS up*

I thought it was clearly sarcasm. But in all seriousness, generally two women probably would have a better household than two men.

[kate]

Um no offense, but do you have any facts to back that up, or just stereotypes?

About *** marriage, what happened to the seperation of church and state? According to christianity they shouldn't get married but marriage is also something under the law which holds no prejudice. Honestly it's times like this you realize just how controlled by religion america is. Canada allows *** marriage and the bowels of hell haven't opened up and swallowed us yet u.u

Homosexuality in general: it's in your dna. Get over it. There's nothing that can be done about it, and the only reason some people deem it "unnatural" is because such a small percentage of the population is actually ***. It's like that guy at school with a multi-colored mohawk. You find him weird because it's uncommon, but there's not actually anything wrong with his hair.

...and yes I did just use hair as an analogy :P

[Someone Else]

kate, on Jan 26 2008, 06:57 PM, said:

Um no offense, but do you have any facts to back that up, or just stereotypes?

So you would like to say that men are generally better organized/more hygienic/whatever when compared to women?

[kate]

generally being the key word there. It is a generalization about men that they're less neat, but if we're going with generalizations, then *** men would be paticularly neat and hygenic and so forth, equal if not more so than women.

[Someone Else]

We'll agree to disagree there. The stereotype of *** men is sort of a valley girl in a man's body, yet as a generalization (yay for generalizations) most *** men I know are a lot like "normal" guys except that they happen to be attracted to men.

[Eugine]

My friends and I were having a discussion about homosexuality about a week or two back, and I was the only one who said I wouldn't abandon a homosexual friend. I recognise I need less Catholic friends x3.

And people like chriscrocker shouldn't be allowed to adopt children. People like Anderson Cooper? No problem. ^^

[Lightning Star]

I think two guys could actually raise a nurturing family. Lemme use my parents as an example. My dad loved me and doted on me just as much as my mom did. In fact, while she was in school, he took care of me pretty much all of the time. He changed my diaper, fed me, and would rock me to sleep when I was just a new born. My dad is still very caring and there was a time when he had two choices: a path that would lead to divorce and break up our family, or to turn from his ways to keep his family together. And he chose the latter. (If you couldn't tell, I really respect and love my daddy ^^)

So overall, fathers can be just as nurturing as mothers, and a male homosexual couple can raise a caring family just as well as a lesbian couple. People don't realize that guys have paternal instincts too, just like females posses maternal instincts.

[Folcon]

Some people are way to serious about the whole homosexuality thing. I read a person's profile on a website that said when he told his parents he was ***, they disowned him and threw him out of the house. At age 14. He then goes on to say that the parents of the guy he is in love with took him and let him live with them.

sad story. I wonder how much of it is true.

[Drizzy Drake]

I know people who have been kicked out for less, so I beleive it.

[Quacnar]

Well kind of obviously, I agree with all of you that *** marriage and adoption should absolutely be allowed.

[Someone Else]

.eugine, on Jan 26 2008, 08:45 PM, said:

And people like chriscrocker shouldn't be allowed to adopt children.

Leave Chris alone!!!

I really don't understand those that abandon people when they learn they're ***. It's like they affiliate them with satan or something.

Hmm...

[Drizzy Drake]

killercoz, on Jan 28 2008, 12:00 AM, said:

Well kind of obviously, I agree with all of you that *** marriage and adoption should absolutely be allowed.

Move to Cananda. Or they can take a trip to Cananda, get married, then come back. They can't "un-marry" you.

[Quacnar]

Why the hell would I move to Canada? So I can run away from this ridiculous anti-*** goverment? NO, by the time I want to get married it will be legal in the united states.

[Drizzy Drake]

It might not be, you never know. ANd ok, maybe not move to Canada, but have the wedding in Canada, then drive/fly back to America. They can't unmarry you.