[Caael]

http://n4g.com/News-224231.aspx

I think it's appropriate.

[Golden Legacy]

They're not going to until the northern part of the state vote, Eugine.

And Caael, Hawaii is Obama's home state, easy 80-90% win for him there.

[Eugine]

Blah. Fox News is saying McCain may lose Virginia.

[Golden Legacy]

BBC is not calling West Virginia for McCain because they said that Fox News is "not a credible source", LOLOL.

[Eugine]

Really? Link?

[Golden Legacy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_ele...008/7700298.stm

Live updates. Results updated to include all networks, WV for McCain.
10 minutes until 15 states close, including major battlegrounds like Ohio and Florida is already well underway.

[Eugine]

Damn. Obama is gonna win NC and Florida it seems. Oh God.
Please, I hope I am wrong... Cuz if I am right, it's over.

[Golden Legacy]

Eugine, it's far from over.
And besides, you should be happy about an Obama victory, especially after the last 8 god awful years.

Not that he'll win. This is America we're talking about.

[Caael]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 5 2008, 01:54 AM, said:

Eugine, it's far from over.
And besides, you should be happy about an Obama victory, especially after the last 8 god awful years.

Not that he'll win. This is America we're talking about.

If McCain wins, you should come to England. The weather isn't great, but at least the politics aren't as messed up.

[Golden Legacy]

Thanks Caael, honestly I've always wanted to go to England. You guys rock.

[Eugine]

Alright. Obama is winning in EV count now. No more boasting from me lol.
Ah well, a black President is cool.

[Toasty]

BBC and 538 are both biased news outlets. That shouldn't affect the results that they show for the polls much though. Only their predictions.

I'm watching Fox right now, and have their website up in my main screen (which usually just shows the desktop).

Guess that makes us even, since you consider Fox as biased, GL.

[Legolastom]

Surely a foreign source would be less biased, but then again you accuse everything of being biased.

[Eugine]

Obama won PA.
The race for the White House is over.

[Toasty]

Almost every mainstream media outlet nowadays is biased. Now that Obama's seducing a lot of young people (most of which tend to be nerds, as he's trying to appeal to that demographic as well), a lot of non-mainstream outlets are starting to become biased as well.

You only have to skim through most of these sites to notice whether they're affiliated with a side or not.

[Eugine]

Well, tomorrow Obama may unveil his cabinet.
Black President ftw.

[Nosferatu]

Caael, on Nov 4 2008, 04:58 PM, said:

If McCain wins, you should come to England. The weather isn't great, but at least the politics aren't as messed up.

**** that. I'm leaving the planet if McCain wins.

[Legolastom]

Well if all of them are biased whats the point of telling us they are biased? Especially if they are more likely to be less biased than the ones you are watching.

[Ironsight]

Nosferatu, on Nov 4 2008, 05:23 PM, said:

**** that. I'm leaving the planet if McCain wins.

And nothing of value would have been lost.

[Toasty]

I watch a lot of non-biased websites as well. Nowadays, it seems the best way to get an unbiased viewpoint, is to get a biased iewpoint from both sides.

Caael, on Nov 4 2008, 04:34 PM, said:

http://n4g.com/News-224231.aspx

I think it's appropriate.

That alone would make Mercenaries 2 worth buying for me. I'm guessing it's fake? It'd be awesome if there was a mod for it though. I'd like to run around as Obama with a bazooka.

[Golden Legacy]

Pennsylvania isn't official yet, Eugine.

Iowa and New Mexico could still slip out of his hands. Next closings are half an hour from now, I believe (Ohio?)

[Caael]

Toasty, on Nov 5 2008, 02:26 AM, said:

I watch a lot of non-biased websites as well. Nowadays, it seems the best way to get an unbiased viewpoint, is to get a biased iewpoint from both sides.
That alone would make Mercenaries 2 worth buying for me. I'm guessing it's fake? It'd be awesome if there was a mod for it though. I'd like to run around as Obama with a bazooka.

No seriously, it's real. Comes out in the next patch.

[Eugine]

According to NBC, he did.
EDIT: Fox Now.

[Golden Legacy]

This is frustrating me. Why isn't Virginia closer? Has the northern part of the state not reported yet?

[Eugine]

God. Why are you bothering?
McCain lost. Gosh.

[Golden Legacy]

Quit it Eugine. This time last election, every network was expecting John Kerry to beat George Bush.

[Eugine]

Well, McCain won Georgia.
When is the State of the Union address?

Oh God. I pray Obama governs as a centrist.

[Golden Legacy]

Eugine, the numbers don't add up for Obama if he doesn't pick up a conservative state.

He needs to win Virginia and/or Colorado. They were his top targets, Virginia was supposed to be called an hour ago. Something is not right here.

[Eugine]

Iowa and New Mexico. Obama won.
President Obama baby. I support all Presidents, so I'm on the Obamatrain. CHO CHO.

[Golden Legacy]

Eugine, Obama has been winning Virginia for months now and was ahead by up to 6 points. Half the vote is in and he's trailing...

And Iowa and New Mexico only add up to a net gain of +12, Obama needs +17 to win.

Something is wrong here. Virginia should have been won by now.

[Eugine]

And he'll win NC and Florida.

[Toasty]

Eugine, GL's got a point. Last time all the news media was saing Kerry was gonna win (said the same thing in Gore v. Bush as well). That's why I've got mixed feelings. On one hand, I'm thinking it's gonna be a repeat of 4 years ago and McCain will pull ahead at the last minute, but I don't know. Obama's been making a much bigger splash than Kerry could have ever even hoped to. That's partially because Obama is black, but it's also got a lot to do with his amazing speech skills.

He really has a way of wording things. He almost convinced even me in the beginning. But digging deeper changed my mind.

This time around though, I have no clue who will win. But it's looking like it's in Obama's favor at the moment.

It may be more likely that McCain will get both Texas and Florida (61 electoral votes total), but Obama's almost garunteed both California and New York (86 electoral votes total). Obama's also likely to get quite a number of states with 8-13 EV's a piece.

Caael, on Nov 4 2008, 05:29 PM, said:

No seriously, it's real. Comes out in the next patch.

**** YEAH!

[Golden Legacy]

Kay Hagan defeats Republican incumbent Elizabeth Dole in North Carolina's Senate race.
I'm proud of her, she deserved it.

Back to the presidential race, next batch of states is in 6 minutes. Come on, Colorado.

[Eugine]

I don't see McCain winning Florida. Obama is up by over 100,000 votes.

[Golden Legacy]

The conservative areas of Florida are not done yet, in fact there's a lot to go.
COME ON, Virginia... what's going on here?

[Eugine]

I think I need a new set. I'm looking for some Obama avatars.

[Golden Legacy]

Eugine, would you stop @#$%ing acting like that? Obama is being outperformed in key areas, he shouldn't be. The numbers don't add up right now. McCain might still win by virtue of winning all the states Bush won... and that's it. Entirely defensive.

I'm getting nervous here. What's going on...

[Eugine]

President Barack Obama!

[Gio]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 07:51 PM, said:

And he'll win NC and Florida.

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 07:56 PM, said:

I don't see McCain winning Florida. Obama is up by over 100,000 votes.

Panhandle isn't in yet. Now GL the only chance McCain has is if he gets Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia, then he might have a chance.

[Toasty]

That's how I felt the first time I got involved in politics during an election. :P

I dunno, I'm curious, but I'm not so nervous. Obviously I believe the country would be better off with McCain, but I don't think there'll be that huge f a difference. Luckily, some of the ideas Obama has talked bout (like taking money out of people's 401k's and putting it into social security) are near impossible to get away with. But others.....are easier. Though he has some policies which I can at least live with, as long as they're not forced like we're in some kind of communist regime.

Golden Legacy, on Nov 4 2008, 05:54 PM, said:

Kay Hagan defeats Republican incumbent Elizabeth Dole in North Carolina's Senate race.
I'm proud of her, she deserved it.

Back to the presidential race, next batch of states is in 6 minutes. Come on, Colorado.

****. The main reason for that outcome was because the dems pumped her campaing full of cash just this last month, and she started running more adds. The Dems in general seem to be much better funded (sometimes due to questionable reasons, though I suppose that's bound to happen on both sides), so they're able to run a lot of attack/general ads. TV ads are a major factor for why Obama is so popular. Not to mention the fact that most of the mainstream media is watching his back.

[Golden Legacy]

Obama can still win Colorado, Iowa, and New Mexico to win in addition to the Kerry states.
The problem is if Virginia hasn't been called by now, then Colorado is in trouble, Obama was polling roughly the same in both.

And don't forget Ohio, but to hell if McCain loses that.

[Eugine]

Dole deserved to lose. That godless ad was terrible.

Anyway, come on... McCain lost. He lost Ohio. I'm over it. Support your next President please... Don't act like those liberals and trash him to death conservatives.

[Gio]

McCain has lost Ohio.

[Golden Legacy]

Toasty, on Nov 4 2008, 10:23 PM, said:

****. The main reason for that outcome was because the dems pumped her campaing full of cash just this last month, and she started running more adds. The Dems in general seem to be much better funded (sometimes due to questionable reasons, though I suppose that's bound to happen on both sides), so they're able to run a lot of attack/general ads. TV ads are a major factor for why Obama is so popular. Not to mention the fact that most of the mainstream media is watching his back.

Are you ****ing kidding me?
Elizabeth Dole ran an ad accusing Kay Hagan of being an atheist.
The McCain campaign spent nearly an entire month attacking Obama with names before trying to scramble back to the economy.

Negative campaigning is the fault of both, and no one else.

And the Democrats are better funded because the Republican brand is weak this year, after eight years of Bush. It's usually the GOP that has connections and gets better funds.


EDIT: WHAT?
EDIT2: I don't see it on CNN. The projection is based off of 12% of the vote only?

This sounds like Kerry, when he was expected to win Ohio.

[Eugine]

Lalala. President Obama.
When is the State of the Union address?

[Gio]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 08:25 PM, said:

Dole deserved to lose. That godless ad was terrible.

Anyway, come on... McCain lost. He lost Ohio. I'm over it. Support your next President please... Don't act like those liberals and trash him to death conservatives.

BTW I don't intend to bash, but I do intend to call him on EVERY mistakes he makes.

[Drizzy Drake]

Obama is the new president of the United States. I know it's not over yet..but it is, you know?

[Eugine]

Oh come on. It's over. Not even GL can deny it.
I'm waiting for McCain concession speech.

[Gio]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 08:33 PM, said:

Obama is the new president of the United States. I know it's not over yet..but it is, you know?

A win can still be pulled out. But very unlikely.

[Eugine]

And what way McCain can win Gio?

[Golden Legacy]

OMFG... the campus is starting to go wild.

[Drizzy Drake]

Doesn't he need every other state? I dunno. Just got back from Zak And Miri so I'm kinda out of the loop.

[Golden Legacy]

California, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington should go liberal, which should be enough, I think...

but holy crap. People are starting to run out of their dorms. Is this it?

[Gio]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 08:36 PM, said:

And what way McCain can win Gio?

north carolina, colorado, florida, virginia, and a miracle somewhere else.

[Golden Legacy]

Ohio HAS to be wrong. This is the exact same area of the country I phonebanked for Obama and got racist remarks about his being Muslim and a terrorist and a baby-killer.

OHIO?

[Drizzy Drake]

Aha.

[Gio]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 4 2008, 08:39 PM, said:

Ohio HAS to be wrong. This is the exact same area of the country I phonebanked for Obama and got racist remarks about his being Muslim and a terrorist and a baby-killer.

OHIO?

I don't know why you are acting so surprised. We all knew in the back of our minds that Obama would most likely be the one to win.
Now we just get to watch America realize they have made a horrible horrible choice.

[Golden Legacy]

America made its horrible, horrible choice in 2000, that's not the problem.

[Drizzy Drake]

@ Gio-Palin is retarded, remember this...

ALSO, they obivously don't know how bad a mistakes they make, because they reelected Bush...

[Eugine]

Hopefully he will govern as a centrist.

[Golden Legacy]

I refuse to believe this. The American people let me down twice before with Bush. Who knows, maybe one of the projections are wrong.

There is NO way this could happen. I still have my doubts.

[Eugine]

OK GL, you are getting annoying.

[Golden Legacy]

You try living through the past 8 years.

[Gio]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 4 2008, 08:45 PM, said:

America made its horrible, horrible choice in 2000, that's not the problem.

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 08:45 PM, said:

ALSO, they obivously don't know how bad a mistakes they make, because they reelected Bush...

I am done replying to remarks like these becasue you refuse to relize the truth.

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 08:45 PM, said:

Hopefully he will govern as a centrist.

He won't.
thank god it still looks like Republicans will still have the ability to filibuster.

[Drizzy Drake]

Why are you denying something you WANT!?

Gio, on Nov 4 2008, 09:50 PM, said:

I am done replying to remarks like these becasue you refuse to relize the truth.

What truth? Bush was the worst pesident in the last 50 years. Nixon was ****ing better..Clinton was ****ing better.

[Eugine]

Yea. That's why I hate liberals. They're filled with hate.
They're suppose to be the one who's open to anything, but attack anything they do not agree with.

[Drizzy Drake]

Who were you replying to? It's so hard to tell. Too many posts.

[Eugine]

Liberals in general =)

[Gio]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 08:51 PM, said:

Why are you denying something you WANT!?
What truth? Bush was the worst pesident in the last 50 years. Nixon was ****ing better..Clinton was ****ing better.

no Jimmy Carter was.
and Clinton wasn't better, the republican congress that controlled the purse strings was.

[Eugine]

Gio, on Nov 4 2008, 10:54 PM, said:

no Jimmy Carter was.
and Clinton wasn't better, the republican congress that controlled the purse strings was.

Exactly. People failed to recognise the republican congress forced him to be centrist. Without a republican congress, it'll be liberals gone wild.

[Drizzy Drake]

Gio, on Nov 4 2008, 09:54 PM, said:

no Jimmy Carter was.
and Clinton wasn't better, the republican congress that controlled the purse strings was.

Did he make the whole world hate the US?

Did he put the US into a trillion dollar debt?

Did he invade a country that did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to deserve it?

Admit it, everybody else has. Bush was a HORRIBLE president.

[Eugine]

Bush was bad on domestic and economic policies. He was good with foreign policy.

[Golden Legacy]

For the record, Clinton had a Republican congress from 1994-2000, and Bush had a Republican congress from 2000-2006.

What they accomplished is light-years apart. I think it has to do with the presidents themselves.


Hmm, I'm not a vengeful guy, but, the moment it's official... hehe.

[Drizzy Drake]

Still invaded a country that didn't deserve to be invaded.

Plus his blank ****ing stare at 9/11, and then his subsequent continued reading to children tells all.

Any intelligent person wouldv'e been out of that classroom in seconds.

[Toasty]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 4 2008, 06:27 PM, said:

Are you ****ing kidding me?
Elizabeth Dole ran an ad accusing Kay Hagan of being an atheist.
The McCain campaign spent nearly an entire month attacking Obama with names before trying to scramble back to the economy.

Negative campaigning is the fault of both, and no one else.

And the Democrats are better funded because the Republican brand is weak this year, after eight years of Bush. It's usually the GOP that has connections and gets better funds.
EDIT: WHAT?
EDIT2: I don't see it on CNN. The projection is based off of 12% of the vote only?

This sounds like Kerry, when he was expected to win Ohio.

Fair enough. Fox only has Iowa as having 7.5% of the votes counted.

[EDIT] Meant to say Ohio

[Drizzy Drake]

Oh, and how long did it take him to react to Katrina?

[Eugine]

The world is a very dangerous please. It needs fixing.

[Golden Legacy]

Ahh, we're getting back to debates here.

And no Eugine, Bush had a horrid foreign policy. War criminal, innocent lives, torture, loss of reputation in the world...


I'm going to savor the victory in Iowa. That's where it all started for Barack!!!

[Toasty]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 07:01 PM, said:

Oh, and how long did it take him to react to Katrina?

Can it. Georgia's Governor is more at fault than anyone else for that. And don't call me biased, because I honestly can't remember whether he/she was a democrat or republican.

[Eugine]

They called Iowa already.
And Bush has a great foreign policy. Kill those terrorists.

[Golden Legacy]

Whoa, the conservatives/Bush supporters outnumber us here!

I'm staying away for now. Less than an hour from now until the projections on the west coast that could (will) decide the presidency!

[Drizzy Drake]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 4 2008, 10:02 PM, said:

Ahh, we're getting back to debates here.

And no Eugine, Bush had a horrid foreign policy. War criminal, innocent lives, torture, loss of reputation in the world...
I'm going to savor the victory in Iowa. That's where it all started for Barack!!!

Bush IS a war criminal. He is NO better than the SS that ran Aschuwitz. So correct GL.

Toasty, on Nov 4 2008, 10:04 PM, said:

Can it. Georgia's Governor is more at fault than anyone else for that. And don't call me biased, because I honestly can't remember whether he/she was a democrat or republican.

I'm not calling you biased. Sure, the governor was an idiot about it, but ultimately Bush could have done something and didn't.

[Eugine]

How so? I can't wait for those terrorists to bomb Canada. You'll change your opinion.

[Golden Legacy]

I'm just going to say here, that when Katrina hit and devastated the southern USA, Bush was off celebrating John McCain's birthday.

What goes around, comes around.


Yes, New Mexico for Obama!

[Drizzy Drake]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 10:06 PM, said:

How so? I can't wait for those terrorists to bomb Canada. You'll change your opinion.

Not that country you idiot.

ANd terrorists wont bomb us because people LOVE Canada. We aren't ****ing idiots. We don't think of ourselves as a super power. Nothing against American citizens(well, not all of them atleast) but the country as a whole needs a total overhaul.

Whadya know, Bush is out drinking with a buddy, and Lil Wayne's house, and every other ****ing house in New Orleans, is being destroyed.

[Gio]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 09:01 PM, said:

Oh, and how long did it take him to react to Katrina?

The fact that you even say that is laughable. People are so ignorant of how the U.S. government works. I am done talking here. I am looking forward to the mass amounts of mistakes that Barrack Obama will make. It will be the perfect stage for the Republicans to take back the White House in 2012. Anyway, I am going to bed, I have an early class tomorrow.

[Drizzy Drake]

Gio, on Nov 4 2008, 10:10 PM, said:

The fact that you even say that is laughable. People are so ignorant of how the U.S. government works. I am done talking here. I am looking forward to the mass amounts of mistakes that Barrack Obama will make. It will be the perfect stage for the Republicans to take back the White House in 2012. Anyway, I am going to bed, I have an early class tomorrow.

Avoidance of a question ussually means one doesn't know the answer, or knows their answer is wrong.

[Eugine]

You guys fail to recognise terrorism is a serious threat, and Bush did a damn good job protecting his country.
I'm sure they are planning on testing President Obama.

[Drizzy Drake]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 10:12 PM, said:

You guys fail to recognise terrorism is a serious threat, and Bush did a damn good job protecting his country.
I'm sure they are planning on testing President Obama.

WATERBOARDING is not a good job at protecting one's country. Neither is killings thousands(millions?) of innocent people.

[Eugine]

What's wrong with torturing some terrorists?
And they do not purposely kill innocent people.

[Toasty]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 07:05 PM, said:

Bush IS a war criminal. He is NO better than the SS that ran Aschuwitz. So correct GL.

I'm not calling you biased. Sure, the governor was an idiot about it, but ultimately Bush could have done something and didn't.

And you believe that why? How man articles have you read on the subject from both Liberal and Conservative viewponts? Bush didn't invade against UN law, he went through the proper hoops, and even warned Saddam before he invaded. Giving Saddam plenty of time to stop breaking UN laws.

What's the point of the UN even having las if they on't uphold them? Bush was basically doing their job by removing Saddam.

Bush did nothing illegal. Some of the U.S.'s troops might have, but Bush himself neither mandated those acts, nor did he commit them himself.

The reason why so many people blame Bush for practically EVERYTHING, is because the liberal media si constantly saying how everything is all Bush's fault. Don't make me search for my post on who's at fault for each disaster.


Yeah, he probably could have done something. And then he'd probably be impeached for invading a state with the national guard and other soldiers without the Governor's consent.

[Drizzy Drake]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 10:15 PM, said:

What's wrong with torturing some terrorists?
And they do not purposely kill innocent people.

They don't do much to prevent it either.

What's wrong with it? It's taking away their right as a ****ing human. Plus, they LIE and say it's not torture..it's defense for one's country.

I forget where I read it, and you can say "source or it didn't happen", but it was either some Vietnamese or Korean soldiers that got sentenced to death for waterboarding American citizens. Weren't they protecting their countries?

[Toasty]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 07:21 PM, said:

They don't do much to prevent it either.

What's wrong with it? It's taking away their right as a ****ing human. Plus, they LIE and say it's not torture..it's defense for one's country.

I forget where I read it, and you can say "source or it didn't happen", but it was either some Vietnamese or Korean soldiers that got sentenced to death for waterboarding American citizens. Weren't they protecting their countries?

If they truely are a terrorist, then they HAVE NO RIGHTS. They lost them when they tried to kill innocent civilians. Terrorists do not get the luxury of the geneva convention. They are terrorists.

However, it's an entirely different story if they're falsely convicted of terrorism.

[Eugine]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 11:21 PM, said:

They don't do much to prevent it either.

What's wrong with it? It's taking away their right as a ****ing human. Plus, they LIE and say it's not torture..it's defense for one's country.

I forget where I read it, and you can say "source or it didn't happen", but it was either some Vietnamese or Korean soldiers that got sentenced to death for waterboarding American citizens. Weren't they protecting their countries?

If you think people who were caught planning on killing Americans and Iraqis or atleast killed them on the battlefields deserve US citizen like treatment, then sure.
I don't.

Waterboarding gives information quicker than any other method. It works.

[Drizzy Drake]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 10:26 PM, said:

If you think people who were caught planning on killing Americans and Iraqis or atleast killed them on the battlefields deserve US citizen like treatment, then sure.
I don't.

Waterboarding gives information quicker than any other method. It works.

Ya, well sticking a switchblade up somebody's ass would make them talk real fast, but you don't see them doing that do you? They waterbaord because they KNOW they can make it seem like it isn't torture. Wake the **** up.

And wait, so you believe that if an American killed an Iraqi, and he was captured, he deserves to be tortured? It works both ways.

[Toasty]

Waterboarding is fine for use on terrorists. As far as hey go, I don't care. I don't condone it on traitors or criminals though.

[Drizzy Drake]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 10:29 PM, said:

Ya, well sticking a switchblade up somebody's ass would make them talk real fast, but you don't see them doing that do you? They waterbaord because they KNOW they can make it seem like it isn't torture. Wake the **** up.


And wait, so you believe that if an American killed an Iraqi, and he was captured, he deserves to be tortured? It works both ways.

Not at you Toasty for the record.

[Toasty]

Terrorism is qualified as the killing of numerous innocent civilians, and/or the destruction of an important landmark.

If a US citizen killed an Iraqi citizen on Iraqi soil, he deserves to be tried in Iraqi court as an Iraqi criminal. That's how things work in almost every other country.

If that US citize killed a bunch of innocent Iraqi civilians on purpouse, or destroyed an important Iaqi landmark, than they deserve to be tried as a terrorist.

The latter, however, has not yet happened.

But yes, it does work both ways. And I felt like commenting on it, so I did. Hope you don't mind.

[Drizzy Drake]

Toasty, on Nov 4 2008, 10:33 PM, said:

Terrorism is qualified as the killing of numerous innocent civilians, and/or the destruction of an important landmark.

If a US citizen killed an Iraqi citizen on Iraqi soil, he deserves to be tried in Iraqi court as an Iraqi criminal. That's how things work in almost every other country.

If that US citize killed a bunch of innocent Iraqi civilians on purpouse, or destroyed an important Iaqi landmark, than they deserve to be tried as a terrorist.

The latter, however, has not yet happened.

I've seen a video of a US soldier bet this other soldier he can snipe some far away citizen. He does. Drop...dead.

And I want an answer from Eugine plz.

[Eugine]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 11:29 PM, said:

Ya, well sticking a switchblade up somebody's ass would make them talk real fast, but you don't see them doing that do you? They waterbaord because they KNOW they can make it seem like it isn't torture. Wake the **** up.

Terrorists are strong people anyway.

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 11:29 PM, said:

And wait, so you believe that if an American killed an Iraqi, and he was captured, he deserves to be tortured? It works both ways.

And sure, the terrorists have done worse to US soldiers.

[Drizzy Drake]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 10:45 PM, said:

Terrorists are strong people anyway.

And sure, the terrorists have done worse to US soldiers.

If somebody stuck a knife up my ass, I'd tell them ANYTHING.

You're ****ing sick. Thinknig anybody deserves to be tortured is wrong. Get therapy.

[Toasty]

The terrorists have done far, far worse things to allied soldiers. The things they've done make shoving a knife up someone's ass seem like a college prank.

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 07:38 PM, said:

I've seen a video of a US soldier bet this other soldier he can snipe some far away citizen. He does. Drop...dead.

And I want an answer from Eugine plz.

Then he should be tried as a criminal in an Iraqi court. Do you have a link to the video?

[Drizzy Drake]

Ok, well, I've stabbed somebody, but I don't wanna be stabbed. Just because somebody is ****ed in the head enough to torture somebdoy, doesn't mean their pain threshold is any different.

Toasty, on Nov 4 2008, 10:50 PM, said:

Then he should be tried as a criminal in an Iraqi court. Do you have a link to the video?

Ogrish. You'll find it there, and alot of other sick videos of Iraqi, and YES, American soldiers doing just wrong ****.

[Eugine]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 11:49 PM, said:

You're ****ing sick. Thinknig anybody deserves to be tortured is wrong. Get therapy.

Of course. I hate terrorists. Kill em all. They're destroying the Middle East.
How unfortunate the US has to gather intelligence. Otherwise, they'd all be dead in a split second.

[Drizzy Drake]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 10:45 PM, said:

And sure, the terrorists have done worse to US soldiers.

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 10:57 PM, said:

Of course. I hate terrorists. Kill em all. They're destroying the Middle East.
How unfortunate the US has to gather intelligence. Otherwise, they'd all be dead in a split second.

Up there you just agreed to an American deserving to be tortured because he killed a single Iraqi soldier.

You are ****ing sick. Not just terrorists, but normal soldiers.

[Nosferatu]

And Obama wins. Thank god.

[Eugine]

ITS OFFICIAL!! BARACK IS PRESIDENT!
I dislike his policies, but it's great for the black community.

My mom is crying.

[Drizzy Drake]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 10:29 PM, said:

And wait, so you believe that if an American killed an Iraqi, and he was captured, he deserves to be tortured? It works both ways.

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 10:45 PM, said:

And sure, the terrorists have done worse to US soldiers.

GET HELP!!!

And it didn't need to be officialized. We all knew he was gonna win. Nice to see it locked in though.



Now, nobody call me racist, but if somebody like JFK(who, besides his womanizing tendencies, was a great man/president) can get assasinated, I wouldn't be suprised if it happened to Obama. I'm not saying it's likely, or that it will, but if it does, I won't be suprised.

****, it almost happened, and he ain't even president yet.

[Eugine]

I'm crying :P

[Nosferatu]

I am already. Been for hours. And... that's for a different topic isn't it?

[Drizzy Drake]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 11:03 PM, said:

I'm crying :P

****ing pussy.

Nosferatu, on Nov 4 2008, 11:05 PM, said:

I am already. Been for hours. And... that's for a different topic isn't it?

Unless you have been crying over the Election for hours..then yes.

[David]

Hoorah!!!!!!

[Eugine]

It's an emotional time. Omfg, I'm crying :P

[Gio]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 09:11 PM, said:

Avoidance of a question ussually means one doesn't know the answer, or knows their answer is wrong.

I have already answered before and in great detail, and if you want to go through the 115 pages then be my guest.

[Toasty]

HOLD THE ****ING PHONE.

How is Oregon considered an Obama state when only 13% of the vote is in over there?!

[Drizzy Drake]

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 11:08 PM, said:

It's an emotional time. Omfg, I'm crying :P

CRY FOREST CRY!!

Gio, on Nov 4 2008, 11:08 PM, said:

I have already answered before and in great detail, and if you want to go through the 115 pages then be my guest.

Sure you have.

[Toasty]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 08:09 PM, said:

Sure you have.

He did. I remember it. Though I guess you'll continue to deny it because I'm a Conservative and I'll say anything as long as it agrees with my ideals. Right?

[Gio]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 10:09 PM, said:

CRY FOREST CRY!!
Sure you have.

Whatever floats your boat dude.

Edit: and thanks toasty

[Eugine]

Anyway, let us hope President Obama do a good job. I wish him the best.

[Toasty]

Whoa whoa whoa. Fox says that less than one percent of the Californian votes have been counted.

.....what is this ******ry? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!

[EDIT] I just saw "PRESIDENT OBAMA" on Fox's webpage.

.....why does that make me mildly happy? WHY?!

[EDIT 2] **** NO! ****ING NO!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!

[EDIT 3]aaaaannd now I don't seem to care anymore. Hopefully the country won't get ****ed up.

[Golden Legacy]

:P

[Drizzy Drake]

Toasty, on Nov 4 2008, 11:14 PM, said:

He did. I remember it. Though I guess you'll continue to deny it because I'm a Conservative and I'll say anything as long as it agrees with my ideals. Right?

Naw, I love you remember. Just look at that topic in the Introductions forum. And I believed him, but this topic is all about pushing buttons right?

Now come over here and give me a hug :P.

Toasty, on Nov 4 2008, 11:19 PM, said:

Whoa whoa whoa. Fox says that less than one percent of the Californian votes have been counted.

.....what is this ******ry? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!

[EDIT] I just saw "PRESIDENT OBAMA" on Fox's webpage.

.....why does that make me mildly happy? WHY?!

[EDIT 2] **** NO! ****ING NO!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!

[EDIT 3]aaaaannd now I don't seem to care anymore. Hopefully the country won't get ****ed up.

Holy **** personlaity change.

What do the last two edits represent?

[Toasty]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 4 2008, 08:30 PM, said:

:P

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 08:31 PM, said:

Holy **** personlaity change.

What do the last two edits represent?

Read carefully:

Toasty, on Nov 4 2008, 08:19 PM, said:

[EDIT 2] **** NO! ****ING NO!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!

[EDIT 3]aaaaannd now I don't seem to care anymore. Hopefully the country won't get ****ed up.

And GL, you know good and well you'd never say such a thing if McCain won. <.<;

[Drizzy Drake]

I still don't get it..

[Golden Legacy]

I don't either, but McCain ended on an honorable note. Props to him.

Now, OBAMA VICTORY SPEECH! Grant Park, Chicago.
Time to take our country back!!!

[Drizzy Drake]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 4 2008, 11:37 PM, said:

I don't either, but McCain ended on an honorable note. Props to him.

Now, OBAMA VICTORY SPEECH! Grant Park, Chicago.
Time to take our country back!!!

Ya, that was a good speech. And was that Tina Fey up there with him? Oh ****, it's Palin. Ya, that would make more sense eh?

[Eugine]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 5 2008, 12:37 AM, said:

I don't either, but McCain ended on an honorable note. Props to him.

Now, OBAMA VICTORY SPEECH! Grant Park, Chicago.
Time to take our country back!!!

Are you serious? God, you liberals eh. Acting like if you like McCain now that he lost.
Fake like hell.

[Drizzy Drake]

Show me a quote with GL saying he hated McCain. He hates his policies, and his tactics(which even the reporter on one of the channels said were not those of the McCain many other politicians knew), but I doubt he hates the man.

Besides, you can HATE somebdoy, but still respect one of their actions.

[Eugine]

Wtf? ARE YOU SERIOUS? GL called McCain the worst names ever.

[Drizzy Drake]

Did I disagree? I just said show me a quote. I haven't seen it, but I've stayed away from this topic mostly. Except to add a little comment here and there.

And I have a question, I thought you were a Palin supporter. Why the love for Obama now that he won? And try not to use the race card./

And for the record, the avy and "From:" space are a little excessive.

[Gio]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 4 2008, 10:37 PM, said:

I don't either, but McCain ended on an honorable note. Props to him.

Now, OBAMA VICTORY SPEECH! Grant Park, Chicago.
Time to take our country back!!!

As disappointed as I am, I am still going to watch the speech because I love history and this is definitely history.

[Drizzy Drake]

WHAT THE ****!!!

OBAMA JUST GOT ****ING SHOT!!!

[Nosferatu]

I just visited /b/ and looky what I found.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2739/1225861010309qh0.jpg

[Ironsight]

Garr ****.
Oh well.

[Drizzy Drake]

LMMFAO!

Could be the best 4chan "black box" photo EVER!

[Ironsight]

OK, now lets talk about California and it's Propostions.

[Drizzy Drake]

No, let's talk about Florida and how they ****ed up the 2000 election and made us have 8 years of Bush.

Gore won, we all ****ing know it.

Edit-Why did you have to edit?

[Ironsight]

Because nobody would care about talking about California if it wasn't for Prop 8.

[Drizzy Drake]

Prop 8 can go fuck itself.

[Ironsight]

Expand.

[Drizzy Drake]

Well, it wants to eliminate gay marriage. Therefore, it can go fuck itself.

[Ironsight]

Why do you think that's bad?

[Drizzy Drake]

Because gays are equal to non-gays, and therefore should ahve equal rights.

I mean I suppose you could argue against adoption because the kid could be picked on, blah blah, but who does marriage hurt?

[Ironsight]

I know you're Canadian, but have you also heard about the schools thing?

[Drizzy Drake]

What does Canada have to do with it?

And nope, what schools thing? The only thing I can think of concerning discrimination and schools is all black schools in the US, but that has nothing to do with gays.

[Toasty]

If the idea of being gay spreads significantly (which it very well could), we could be looking at the extinction of the entire human race.

This is serious ****, men.

[Nosferatu]

http://cesarsequeira.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/serious-cat.jpg

I had to do it.

[Ironsight]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 09:28 PM, said:

What does Canada have to do with it?

And nope, what schools thing? The only thing I can think of concerning discrimination and schools is all black schools in the US, but that has nothing to do with gays.

I don't know how fast News travels out-of-country.

Kids, second graders, would be taught about gay marriage.

[Drizzy Drake]

Toasty, on Nov 5 2008, 12:28 AM, said:

If the idea of being gay spreads significantly (which it very well could), we could be looking at the extinction of the entire human race.

This is serious ****, men.

First of all, do you know how unlikely that is?

Second, gays will still date/love each other with or without marriage.

And third and most importantly, cars give off gasses which could casue the destruction of our whole planet, not just our race. Does that mean cars should be banned?

EDIT-
"Kids, second graders, would be taught about gay marriage."

1.What do you mean "taught about."

2.And why would it be okay to be "taught about" straight marraiges, but not gay ones?

[Toasty]

Lawl. Skidz thinks global warming is real.

[Drizzy Drake]

Lawl, Toasty thinks gay marriage will wipe out the entire human race.

[Toasty]

It's serious ****, man. We could go extinct.

[Drizzy Drake]

No we won't. As long as there are women in this world, there will always be men who want to have sex with them.

And pfft, 2012 is gonna wipe us out anyway, so we might as well let the gays have their fun.

[Nosferatu]

Right now /b/ is called "O/b/ama".

[Eugine]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=93IVhORpIbc

Gays aren't that bad. Nice movie =)

[Toasty]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 08:36 PM, said:

I still don't get it..

Golden Legacy, on Nov 4 2008, 08:37 PM, said:

I don't either, but McCain ended on an honorable note. Props to him.

Now, OBAMA VICTORY SPEECH! Grant Park, Chicago.
Time to take our country back!!!

Allow me to explain:

[EDIT] I think I might just like Obama after all

[EDIT 2] ARE YOU ****ING INSANE?! OBAMA'S THE ****ING ANTI-CHRIST!!! GET A HOLD OF YOURSELF!!!!

[EDIT 3] *yawn* Meh, now that that's over with, I'll just be happy as long as America is still America 4 years from now.


In other news:

Eugine, on Nov 4 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=93IVhORpIbc

Gays aren't that bad. Nice movie =)

HOLY **** THOSE MEN GIVE ME AN ERECTION.

[Ironsight]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 09:31 PM, said:

2.And why would it be okay to be "taught about" straight marraiges, but not gay ones?

Becasue they would be required under law to be taught about gay marriage in the same way they are taught about straight marriage. And not every parent is as "open minded" as you are. But they wouldn't be able to complain about it under law.

[Drizzy Drake]

That's too bad for the parents. If they can teach straight marriage, which involves sexual acts, they can teach about gay marriage.

[Eugine]

Anyway, over the next two years the GOP will have to do some soul searching. I hope they find their voice and a clear message that will resonate with the middle class, and beyond their party.

[Toasty]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 10:04 PM, said:

That's too bad for the parents. If they can teach straight marriage, which involves sexual acts, they can teach about gay marriage.

The difference is that straight marriage is natural. The penis was designed to fit into the vajayjay, not the anus. And babies aren't made when two chicks finger eachother.

[Drizzy Drake]

Toasty, on Nov 5 2008, 01:36 AM, said:

The difference is that straight marriage is natural. The penis was designed to fit into the vajayjay, not the anus. And babies aren't made when two chicks finger eachother.

Almost everything we eat isn't natural for us.

[Toasty]

Food was meant to be cooked. My family often buys fresh produce, or pulls it out of our garden.

So most of the food I eat is natural for me.

[Ironsight]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 10:38 PM, said:

Almost everything we eat isn't natural for us.

Give an example.

[Toasty]

Because last I checked, the cavemen (who ate foods we eat today, like meat and vegetables) weren't meant to get their nutrients through shots.

[Drizzy Drake]

Toasty, on Nov 5 2008, 01:39 AM, said:

Food was meant to be cooked. My family often buys fresh produce, or pulls it out of our garden.

So most of the food I eat is natural for me.

When they say there's always an exception to every rule, they are talking about you Toasty.

Miley Cyrus, on Nov 5 2008, 01:40 AM, said:

Give an example.

Milk. Chocolate. Basically anything that isn't fruits/vegetables/meats.

[TheEnglishman]

*Wakes up* So Obama is president. That's cool.

[Saturos S.]

Indeed.

On the sidenote, could you be anymore homophobic toasty?

O, and global warming is real, the reason just isn't foolproof yet.

[Caael]

Let the assassination attempts begin :|

[Toasty]

Neophyte, on Nov 4 2008, 10:46 PM, said:

When they say there's always an exception to every rule, they are talking about you Toasty.
Milk. Chocolate. Basically anything that isn't fruits/vegetables/meats.

Chocolate come from cocoa beans, and can be naturally made by hand. The Aztecs did it themselves, and the Spanish conquistadores brought some back to spain if I don't recall. Could've been some other native american culture.

You know what's in breasts? Milk. Where do babies first get their nutrients? The milk in their mother's breasts.

Cow's milk is perfectly safe to drink after pasteurization, and you don't need a factory to pasteurize it.

Chocolate and Milk are both very much natural foods. The way they are processed nowadays though, isn't. A lot of chocolate you get at the store also has un-natural ingredients.

Milk is still natural though, and it's also often vitamin fortified aswell, which is even healthier for you.


And I also know a kid who's family makes their own bread. There's a lot of people who prefer to get fresh produce over processed foods.

[Saturos S.]

I'd call most kind of candy unnatural. I mean sugar ground up with animal bones. That wasn't what the cavemen wanted.

[Toasty]

The cavemen didn't even know sugar existed.

Most candies nowadays are unnatural because of all the additives that are out in them. I doubt the peanut butter in Resse's Cups are even real.

Regardless, chocolate comes from a very natural, not man-made plant. And milk is usually the first food a baby ever eats drinks.

[Saturos S.]

So what the hell has that got to do with homosexual marriage being a bad thing?

[Toasty]

The point was, homosexuality isn't natural. The femal human body was not made to be able to reproduce without intercourse with a male, and the male was not made to be able to bear a child period.

Babies are made with eggs and sperm. Not eggs and eggs, or sperm and sperm.

[Drizzy Drake]

Toasty, on Nov 5 2008, 02:22 AM, said:

Chocolate come from cocoa beans, and can be naturally made by hand. The Aztecs did it themselves, and the Spanish conquistadores brought some back to spain if I don't recall. Could've been some other native american culture.

You know what's in breasts? Milk. Where do babies first get their nutrients? The milk in their mother's breasts.

Cow's milk is perfectly safe to drink after pasteurization, and you don't need a factory to pasteurize it.

Chocolate and Milk are both very much natural foods. The way they are processed nowadays though, isn't. A lot of chocolate you get at the store also has un-natural ingredients.

Milk is still natural though, and it's also often vitamin fortified aswell, which is even healthier for you.
And I also know a kid who's family makes their own bread. There's a lot of people who prefer to get fresh produce over processed foods.

Sorry, you could be right, they may be natural at one point, but almost everything at store quality isn't. So unless you are making your own chocolate, milk, bread etc. then you HAVE to be eating something not natural.

Toasty, on Nov 5 2008, 03:16 AM, said:

The point was, homosexuality isn't natural. The femal human body was not made to be able to reproduce without intercourse with a male, and the male was not made to be able to bear a child period.

Babies are made with eggs and sperm. Not eggs and eggs, or sperm and sperm.

What about gays that don't want kids?

[Toasty]

Neophyte, on Nov 5 2008, 12:23 AM, said:

Sorry, you could be right, they may be natural at one point, but almost everything at store quality isn't. So unless you are making your own chocolate, milk, bread etc. then you HAVE to be eating something not natural.
What about gays that don't want kids?

The only additives in store-bought milk are vitamins, so that's still natural. Dark chocolate is the closest you'll get to the natural stuff if you're looking in a supermarket though, and even that has man-made stuff in it.

I don't know, I guess it wouldn't be as bad, but then there's the whole sanctity of mariage. I don't care if they date eachother and live together though. They've got every right to do that.


[EDIT] I decided to debate on the myspace pollitical forums a bit (don't judge). Turned out I was the youngest person there, and I was on level with some 40 year old Liberal guy.

Seriously though, there was actually sensible discussion.

[Drizzy Drake]

Then why don't they have a right to marry? Because the Bible tell me so...

[Toasty]

Pretty much.

Oh wait. Last time I said that you got all pissed and shiz. ;)

BECUASE THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO, AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS SAYS THAT A MAN AND A WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO MARIAGE (and to only one man/woman in refrence to not having multiple wives/husbands).


.....does that work? At least I'm pretty sure the Bill of Rights mentions something about that.

[Drizzy Drake]

Toasty, on Nov 5 2008, 04:46 AM, said:

Pretty much.

Oh wait. Last time I said that you got all pissed and shiz. ;)

BECUASE THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO, AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS SAYS THAT A MAN AND A WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO MARIAGE (and to only one man/woman in refrence to not having multiple wives/husbands).
.....does that work? At least I'm pretty sure the Bill of Rights mentions something about that.

I ****ING KNEW IT!! You know what I'm gonna go do? I'm gonna go burn my bible and throw it at a passing car.

So it says a man and a women have a right to marry, but it doesn't say they have to marry each other. Does it? I dunno. It's your guyses thig anywho.

[Toasty]

Just be sure the car's by itself. You don't want to go to jail for causing a car accident. ;)

I'll have to look up the details later. I'm startung to get a headache from drowsiness.

[Saturos S.]

Toasty, on Nov 5 2008, 10:46 AM, said:

Pretty much.

Oh wait. Last time I said that you got all pissed and shiz. ;)

BECUASE THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO, AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS SAYS THAT A MAN AND A WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO MARIAGE (and to only one man/woman in refrence to not having multiple wives/husbands).


.....does that work? At least I'm pretty sure the Bill of Rights mentions something about that.

Matrimony between men and women was an idea long before christianity came a long. So don't bring the bible into this.

With something simple as a pheromone you can make male flies try and mate with male flies. A small switch of nerves in the brains (not sure where it was) can make animals (or people for that matter) try and mate with each other. It's just biological chance that there's a two sex system, so that only a combination of male and female can procreate.

Worms just need to worms since they're hermaphrodite. They have both bits. It's just biological chance.

Furthermore, mankind is the only animal that uses sex as a pleasure. Since we've 'risen' above the fact sex is pure for pro-creating you can't just argue that 'it's not natural.'

[Caael]

Toasty, on Nov 5 2008, 07:36 AM, said:

The difference is that straight marriage is natural. The penis was designed to fit into the vajayjay, not the anus. And babies aren't made when two chicks finger eachother.

Just because it's not necessarily natural doesn't mean it's wrong.

[Drizzy Drake]

Saturos Striker, on Nov 5 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

Matrimony between men and women was an idea long before christianity came a long. So don't bring the bible into this.

With something simple as a pheromone you can make male flies try and mate with male flies. A small switch of nerves in the brains (not sure where it was) can make animals (or people for that matter) try and mate with each other. It's just biological chance that there's a two sex system, so that only a combination of male and female can procreate.

Worms just need to worms since they're hermaphrodite. They have both bits. It's just biological chance.

Furthermore, mankind is the only animal that uses sex as a pleasure. Since we've 'risen' above the fact sex is pure for pro-creating you can't just argue that 'it's not natural.'

Merked.

[Legolastom]

Lol last night the Republican they had on the BBC had an argument with a BBC reporter and even told them to fire another one lolololololol

[Golden Legacy]

Best night ever. What an amazing moment for America. I can't believe the American people actually pulled through, I have to admit my respect has risen considerably.

And on the topic of gay marriage/homosexuality, I agree with gay marriage, and I think the homophobes can go **** themselves (unfortunately, they make up 70% of America). Who are they to say who has the right to have their love recognized or not?

[Caael]

http://1.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/0/9/collegehumor.6f4aa4001754260dbbdc2b192e75c2da.jpg

[Ironsight]

Saturos Striker, on Nov 5 2008, 06:04 AM, said:

Matrimony between men and women was an idea long before christianity came a long. So don't bring the bible into this.

With something simple as a pheromone you can make male flies try and mate with male flies. A small switch of nerves in the brains (not sure where it was) can make animals (or people for that matter) try and mate with each other. It's just biological chance that there's a two sex system, so that only a combination of male and female can procreate.

Worms just need to worms since they're hermaphrodite. They have both bits. It's just biological chance.

Furthermore, mankind is the only animal that uses sex as a pleasure. Since we've 'risen' above the fact sex is pure for pro-creating you can't just argue that 'it's not natural.'

Then were do you stand on bestiality?

[Golden Legacy]

I honest to God hope you're not being serious with that question.

EDIT: lol, Caael.

[Ironsight]

Why wouldn't I be?

[Saturos S.]

The thing with animals is that you can never prove that the love is mutual. So no, bestiality is a no-go.

[Eugine]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=CxCFLl-S4co
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=WUe2oDSZXEY

Omg. It's so nice to be black now. I can't stop feeling happy, despite my prefered principles losing.
Go Barack. Do a heck of a good job.

And Prop 8 was passed. Gay marriage is only allowed in one state in USA now.

[TheEnglishman]

I watched Obama's speech on the news, and I've gotta say that he's a powerful speaker. They were drawing comparisons with Martin Luther King.

[David]

Eugine, on Nov 5 2008, 04:49 PM, said:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=CxCFLl-S4co
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=WUe2oDSZXEY

Omg. It's so nice to be black now. I can't stop feeling happy, despite my prefered principles losing.
Go Barack. Do a heck of a good job.

I know. This is history, man, and it's really hard not to get swept up into it, even if you don't want to. Everyone went crazy when they announced Obama as the winner. I think we ran up and down five flights of stairs a total of 12 times in five minutes, banging on dorm room doors. And then that acceptance speech...

I don't think anyone in my school slept last night.

[Eugine]

TheEnglishman, on Nov 5 2008, 06:20 PM, said:

I watched Obama's speech on the news, and I've gotta say that he's a powerful speaker. They were drawing comparisons with Martin Luther King.

I hope he use his "powerful" speaking ability to convice NATO members to cough up some more troops. Get that Me111?
He's going to have a honeymoon for about a year with everyone, so I think he can do it.

[Ironsight]

Saturos Striker, on Nov 5 2008, 01:40 PM, said:

The thing with animals is that you can never prove that the love is mutual. So no, bestiality is a no-go.

Then how about Incest?

[Eugine]

And ugh, the republican party needs to improve their standings with minorities and young people.
They are the party of old white men. They need to modernize their conservative agenda badly.

Hopefully they'll bounce back in 2 years, and ultimately four!

[Caael]

Watching Obama's speech, and i've gotta say, that puppy part did make me smile.

[Laharl]

TheEnglishman, on Nov 5 2008, 10:20 PM, said:

I watched Obama's speech on the news, and I've gotta say that he's a powerful speaker. They were drawing comparisons with Martin Luther King.

they'll be drawing a lot more when he gets shot

[David]

Eugine, on Nov 5 2008, 07:03 PM, said:

And ugh, the republican party needs to improve their standings with minorities and young people.
They are the party of old white men. They need to modernize their conservative agenda badly.

Hopefully they'll bounce back in 2 years, and ultimately four!

Yeah, it would be a shame to see them go down the path of the Federalist party from the colonial times, which was dissolved due to the fact that it was composed almost entirely of the social elites. You have to have diversity to survive, especially in times such as these. While I am a Liberal (to an extent), I do believe that the idea of American society focuses on two opposing views, at least on most issues, so I don't want the Republicans to fully die out.

But the modern Republican party has lasted much longer than the Federalist party did, so I'm sure that with a few adjustments, they'll be back on track.

[Eugine]

I was looking for some polls which are good news for the republican party, but I am unable to find them.

A poll asked voters what was the main reason why you didn't vote for the republican party, and 60% said because they lost their way. 21% said because they were liberal. That's good news for the party. It shows that most Americans are not liberal.
Look, most conservative issues passed in props (gay marriage ban, ending affirmative action, bringing back the military to universities and on and on), so conservative ideas are not dead.

And well, republicans had their time anyway. Here hoping a Ronald Reagan emerges in 2012.
Palin is off my list until 2020 or so. She needs to dissapear for a while.

[Golden Legacy]

And dare I ask why social conservative ideas are what is necessary, and why they are important? You make it sound like it's a good thing that Americans do not have the capacity to accept gay marriage.