[Toasty]

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/KevinMc...p;comments=true

I'm a conservative christian like he is, but he's being an ignorant dumbass. I know a lot of people who play videogames (rangeing from nerds to preps), and they'd spend FAR more time with the rest of the game than with this part of it. It's not like people are ONLY going to buy Mass Effect because there's a "sex simulator" in it. If they want boobs, then they'll by DoA. :P
As for the "videogames make killers and rapeists" statement, all I can say is that if that was true, we'd have a helluva lot more of those than we do now. We'd be OVERRUN with horny teenagers bent on breaking the law.

[Drizzy Drake]

This is getting to be pathetic. It's the same thing they were saying abotu pot in the 30's. Pot and video games DON'T make killers, if the person was going to kill, they would do it with or without video games/pot.

[Folcon]

Isn't Mass Effect rated 'M'?

[Someone Else]

Thing is, you'd have to pretty messed up to begin with to do rape, murder, or whatever the hell. Bad environments and lack of a sense of security turn people "bad". Video games aren't going to make me kill people any time soon.

[Laharl]

"videogames encourage rape"

name me a non-hentai game that lets you rape people, oh there are none

everyone in these cases has been a complete mental who has been in the vicinity of a videogame at some point in their life, which obviously means that game is solely responsible and it has nothing to do with their mental instability or crappy upbringing

[Nosferatu]

Dude of Wind, on Jan 15 2008, 06:36 PM, said:

As for the "videogames make killers and rapeists" statement, all I can say is that if that was true, we'd have a helluva lot more of those than we do now. We'd be OVERRUN with horny teenagers bent on breaking the law.

Don't we have enough of those already?

Anyway, enough is enough. I think the community is more than sick and tired of these idiots who believe people only buy games for any reason involving a sexual act of any sort. Sure, Mass Effect had a sex scene. But it is NOTHING compared to anything you can find on the internet. It's an ass and that's it. Big whoop! That hardly counts as anything. That's ecchi if anything. That kind of thing can be seen anywhere.

@Larhal: Unexpected statement, but true.

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One can custom design the shape, form, bodies, race, hair style, breast size of the images they wish to "engage" and then watch in crystal clear, LCD, 54 inch screen, HD clarity as the video game "persons" hump in every form, format, multiple, gender-oriented possibility they can think of.

And I swear, some people do not research anything. None of those things are in the game. Breast size? No. Every form and format? No. Multiple? No.

What do we have to do to get rid of such ignorance in society?

[Toasty]

KILL THEM!....uhh....I mean....videogames made me say it!

But seriously. Petition? Maybe a riot of a hundred thousand gamers on capitol hill telling everyone to stfu? I dunno.

[Someone Else]

I say let them be idiots and bring it to court. Jack Thompson never got anywhere doing that except making him look like a fool, not just to the video game community, but to the general public, too.

[Moonear]

Wow, all I have to say is what an idiot. If he's so worried about this, he might as well destroy the internet. God, some people are so stupid. "Encouraging rapists and killers"

[Caael]

They're just jealous that they didn't have video games when they were young.


Seriously. How many game related rapes or murders do you hear about?


He mentioned something about showing this 'filth' to 15 year old boys. If I had a 15 year old son, I'd be more worried about him not being taugh sex ed at school than him watching a porn scene in a game.

[Drizzy Drake]

I will teach my son alot of "street smarts" things, because honestly, schools don't teach you worth s**t about drugs and sex. I won't tell him to not do, or to do drugs. Or to not have, or to ahve sex, I will let him make his own choice. School sex-ed makes it sound like if you don't wear a condom you WILL 100% get Aids, or Gonerhea, even if the person is a virgin, and the drug-ed, wow, let's jsut say they teach nothing. They make pot sound like coke, and coke sound like the devil. They say one puff off a joint will make you hooked for life and you WILL die off pot, pfhh. This is grade 8 drug-ed btw, I didn't really pay attention to highschool drug-ed.


Sorry I'm done ranting.

[Caael]

No, that made a lot of sense. If my kid wants to see some space people get naked, i'd let him, wether he's 10 or 18, he's going to get exposed to these things at some point, where better to start than with video games? :P

[Drizzy Drake]

Playboy??

Like the first naked thing he sees, (computer generated, on TV, or real), will be at age 18. Ha.

[Caael]

:P I know. But yeah, they really do make sex and drugs sound like the worlds 2 worst things ever in school. It does clearly state on the box of all games what the rating is, and if his kids still buy them, well he's just a bad parent.

[Drizzy Drake]

Earth Dude, on Jan 16 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

:P I know. But yeah, they really do make sex and drugs sound like the worlds 2 worst things ever in school. It does clearly state on the box of all games what the rating is, and if his kids still buy them, well he's just a bad parent.

Whenever the teacher would talk aobut sex/drugs in health class I would always snicker and then me and her would get into debates. Very funny.

Yes, the big M of the front should tell you to not buy.


Off topic-What games are actualy rated AO

[Caael]

None, because no companies have the balls to do something like that anymore. Just look at the 'Angry Video Game Nerd: Atari Porn' video. It's hilarious and disturbing at the same time.

But really, in ME you dont see anything during the scenes

[Drizzy Drake]

But then what is the point of the AO rating if no game EVER has had that rating.

[Caael]

They have, just not recently.

[Drizzy Drake]

WOuld you happen to know some?

[Caael]

I told you, go on gametrailers and look up Angry Video Game Nerd, and look for a video called ' Atari Porn'

[Drizzy Drake]

Oh ok. I didn't understand the last post. Thank you.

[Toasty]

Honestly, I'm going to encourage my children to not do drugs ever, because if they get hooked, it'll only become an expensive habbit. They're money would be better spent on other things. Plus, all drugs deteriorate the body in some way, and to some kind of extent. As for sex, when they're out of the house and out of college, it's non of my buisness. Until then, they're gonna be virgins.

However, I'm not going to say that my son can't play a game because he doesn't meet the suggested age limit. If I think he's old enough to play, I'll let him get it.

[Nosferatu]

Dude of Wind, on Jan 16 2008, 04:41 PM, said:

However, I'm not going to say that my son can't play a game because he doesn't meet the suggested age limit. If I think he's old enough to play, I'll let him get it.

I've noticed something. Is it just me, or does the gaming community sound like they would make better parents then the current generation of parents?

Drugs, no. They can just get out of my house. I don't care if it's addictive or not. Sex related things, go right ahead, it's none of my buisness. None of the actually thing until they're out though. Games, whatever. If they want it, they can have it.

Mind you I plan to NEVER have kids.

[Drizzy Drake]

Dude of Wind, on Jan 16 2008, 07:41 PM, said:

As for sex, when they're out of the house and out of college, it's non of my buisness. Until then, they're gonna be virgins.

Ok, I am not syaing you would be a bad parent, or anything of that sort, I bet everybody, well, most of the people here would be great parents, but I really doubt that just because you say they can't have sex, that they won't. Trust me.

Spoiler

I had sex with this one girl, turns out I popped her cherry, and somehow here dad found out, and one day she's at the mall with her dad, and I'm at the smoknig pit/place thingy, and her dad comes up and grabs me by the throat and says if I ever touch his daughter again he'll kill me. Needless to say, I had sex with here the next day

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The point is, no matter how much the parents say no, the kids will always find a way.

[Toasty]

True. I'll still discourage it though. I want them to have a good chance at getting a well paying job that they like. A 'mistake' child would only hurt those chances. Besides, a relationship that they make as an adult will most likely turn out better than one made as a teenager.

[Drizzy Drake]

I'm not saying every kid is like that, not at all, I'm just saying, if the kid does want to have sex, they will find ways to do it.

[Folcon]

Even if its just Palmala Handerson, I know.

And back on topic, there are still some games out there that are recently released with an AO rating, but you just can't find them in the American Market. Pretty much all games that are AO, and I think there is an H rating for hentai games, can only be bought online through speacialised websites that are very anal about checking ages of purchasers. Or, when you're old enough, check a local adult entertainment store.

[Drizzy Drake]

Hentai games. Wtf. What do you do. Play as a anime dude, raping anime girls?

[Folcon]

damned if i know, i just saw an add on a webcomic site. But i ignored it. I think some might be graphic dating sims though.

[Drizzy Drake]

That's, nice?

[Folcon]

whatever. i think this topic has been talked out now.

[Drizzy Drake]

It very much so has.

[Folcon]

then can a Mod close this topic now?

[Someone Else]

Do you understand the reason topics are usually closed?

Clearing some things up:

AO rated games exist. It's just most major retailers refuse to put them on shelves, just like X rated movies. There's one game called The Singles that has an AO rating, but you can only get it through digital download, maybe some online retailers. That's the only one I'm sure of. Search ESRB.com for AO rated games to find them.

Manhunt 2 was rated AO before they toned down the violence to sell it to retailers.

In most cases though, AO ratings are given to games that are sexually explicit since in America killing is totally acceptable but procreation is taboo and sinful. Wait... what?

[Toasty]

XD

Too bad we only get to kill koreans, huh WD? :P

[Drizzy Drake]

So killing=good.

Sex=bad.


Wtf is up with society these days.

[Someone Else]

I'm with you on that.

[TheEnglishman]

From what I've heard about the game, it sounds like this guy is just trying to create controversy to make himself known.
Doesn't the M rating mean mature? As in 18+? If he's worried about 15 year year olds getting it, he should complain about the guys selling this, not the content itself.

[Someone Else]

Actually M is 17+. AO is Adults-Only and is 18+.

OT, in a few weeks I will be 17 and I can buy any game from any retailer I want with my license. So I won't have to care about guys like this anymore.

[Drizzy Drake]

I buy M games without an ID anyway, so meh. I know the peopel at the EB though, so that might be it, but ya, I've never had to use an ID to buy a M game.

[Folcon]

you sure do brag about doing a lot of stuff that you are technicaly too young to be doing skid. But hey, as long as you don't get caught or in trouble, who cares, right? What's sad is, there was this guy on campus today that was b****ing about this same kind of stuff saying if you play violent video games, or games with sexual content, even if its just implied, you'll go to hell. Damn Bible thumpers. I hates them one and all.

[Drizzy Drake]

Is it really ILLEGAL to buy games that are above your age?

Because I honestly didn't know it was illegal if it is. I thought it was jsut kind of, a recomendation.

[Folcon]

technicaly, it is illegal for stores to sell M rated games to persons under 17, but most retailers tend to be leanent so they can get their sales. But then, a friend of mine works at EB and athis store they are fairly anal anout it. They check everyone's I.D. before selling a games to them that is rated M. Never really had that problem myself though. I don't play any M rated games because most, not all but most, are FPS games. And that is just not my prefered genre, which is RPGs and Adventure games. Bouns of my friends working there, I get advanced intel on game releases and he keeps an eye out for some of the used games that I've been looking for and give me a call when they come in so I can get them before someone else.

[Drizzy Drake]

escout, on Jan 18 2008, 07:36 PM, said:

technicaly, it is illegal for stores to sell M rated games to persons under 17, but most retailers tend to be leanent so they can get their sales. But then, a friend of mine works at EB and athis store they are fairly anal anout it. They check everyone's I.D. before selling a games to them that is rated M. Never really had that problem myself though. I don't play any M rated games because most, not all but most, are FPS games. And that is just not my prefered genre, which is RPGs and Adventure games. Bouns of my friends working there, I get advanced intel on game releases and he keeps an eye out for some of the used games that I've been looking for and give me a call when they come in so I can get them before someone else.

Oh all right. Well, I'm 16, they know me, and the workers themselves are preatty cool all around, and are fairly lineant.

I honestly didn't know it was illegal.

But ya, they're not all anal about it.

[Folcon]

Well it's not like you can go to jail for buying a M rated game, but the store can get fined for selling to a minor if they get caugt, thats how it works for alchol as well, sell to a minor, the minor might face a day or to in jail or something untill parents pick them up. But the store, they get slapped with a major fine, risk haveung thier liquer licince revoked, and the employe that did the sale will often be fired. but video game legislation is still disputable so whatever. And video game legislation will also be a contributing factor in who I vote for for president, which is partly why I won't be voting for Hilery.

[Drizzy Drake]

Hilery, who dat?

Hilary. Ha.

Is she all "no violent video games"?

[Folcon]

in a word, yes. I rate a step above Jack Thompson, but its not that high of a step.

[Someone Else]

Yeah, please don't vote for Hilary, people...

It's not illegal for you to play or buy M rated games, but it is illegal for people to sell them to you.

I feel a lot games that are rated M are actually fairly tame. Crysis and Halo aren't very violent at all and they're rated M. I'm not squeamish by nature, so maybe it's me.

[Nosferatu]

Wind Dude, on Jan 18 2008, 06:20 PM, said:

Yeah, please don't vote for Hilary, people...

I feel a lot games that are rated M are actually fairly tame. Crysis and Halo aren't very violent at all and they're rated M. I'm not squeamish by nature, so maybe it's me.

Statement 1: It's times like these I'm glad I live in Canada.

Statement 2: Me neither. I can play something like Manhunt (or Manhunt 2 before it was toned down) without feeling squeamish.

Oblibion being rated T before made much more sense then it's new M rating. Which mind you, came from a cheat to remove underclothing. Yet another perfect example of sexual themes being much more unacceptable then killing.

[Someone Else]

Yeah, and you had to get a 3rd party mod to see it. I heard that the topless mesh was used for references and to solve armor clipping issues or something.

Oblivion can be a bit bloody at times. Particularly in those Necromancer areas. I think that any game that has blood decals gets an automatic M rating, except Portal for some reason. I guess it's because YOU aren't the one killing in Portal...

[Ironsight]

ZOMG SEX! MUST GET!
Not really, but I still want the game :D

For the sake of the topic, GTA was realesed (sp) several years ago, but I don't see every other teenager strapping bombs to his chest, raping the next woman he see's, or going on a murder rampage.

[Toasty]

Wind Dude, on Jan 18 2008, 06:20 PM, said:

Yeah, please don't vote for Hilary, people...

It's not illegal for you to play or buy M rated games, but it is illegal for people to sell them to you.

I feel a lot games that are rated M are actually fairly tame. Crysis and Halo aren't very violent at all and they're rated M. I'm not squeamish by nature, so maybe it's me.

Same. Games where you go around shooting people/aliens are pretty much automatically M rated. However, I would honestly rate Crysis/Halo a "T" game if it wasn't for the swearing.

[Someone Else]

The swearing in Crysis admittedly gets a bit annoying. In the last 1/4 of the game pretty much every other word said is either "f***" or "s***".