The Intelligence Contest! Ive got a new, more stupid game for playing!!
#1
Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:12 PM
This round's topic is .. ABORTION!!
Players and their points:
1. Toasty +4 (1st)
2. Haaris +3 (2nd)
3..eugine +4 (1st)
4. Gio +2 (3rd)
#3
Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:44 PM
#5
Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:48 PM
#6
Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:49 PM
#7
Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:52 PM
#9
Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:54 PM
ihatekraden, on Feb 25 2008, 10:49 PM, said:
Good point +3 points
Toasty, on Feb 25 2008, 10:52 PM, said:
Dont know if I agree, but good arguement and analogy. +4
#10
Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:54 PM
See... I please both sides.
#13
Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:57 PM
#14
Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:58 PM
#15
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:00 PM
She took the risk, and now has to live with it?
#16
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:00 PM
@Gio: That's another thing. Being a Christian myself, I don't think abortion should be allowed because technically speaking, the child begins life the moment it's concieved.
#17
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:01 PM
#18
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:02 PM
killercoz, on Feb 25 2008, 09:58 PM, said:
That is an opinion. Just because I use something I believe doesn't mean I am right, but it certainly doesn't mean I am wrong. You asked for an intelligent conversation and I am giving you one. Just because I brought religion up doesn't mean I am wrong.
#19
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:04 PM
#20
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:06 PM
#21
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:09 PM
#22
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:10 PM
(don't get me wrong, I'm christian!)
#23
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:13 PM
I am done.
#25
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:20 PM
#29
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:28 PM
#30
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:37 PM
I personally think life begins at conception also, but honestly I do not believe 'human life' begins at conception. I'm not sure, but imo, if you use that analogy that life begins at conception, why do we kill all the lesser species, since I think we all have the same features at that stage? x.x
Honestly, don't know much Biology, so I hope I am making sense, and saying the correct stuff x3.
Also, I do not believe using logics oversteps our bounds x.x
#31
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:41 PM
to people reading this keep in mind it is a Christian point of view.
#32
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:47 PM
#33
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:49 PM
.eugine, on Feb 25 2008, 10:47 PM, said:
Eugine you as a Christian should know that God wrote the bible through the people. It is his word you know. And I do believe God is all-knowing, meaning that the scientists of the 19th century have nothing on him.
#34
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:49 PM
#35
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:56 PM
Honestly Gio, think of it logically. Do you honestly believe someone 6000 years ago knew about 'eggs' and 'sperms' and 'fertilization'. And that something happened before there were actual signs/symptoms of pregnancy? I honestly believe they were talking about something like the second trimester.
And if you haven't guessed it yet, I strongly believe in science. I do consult the Bible though =)
Still trying to be like Jesus...
#36
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:57 PM
#37
Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:59 PM
#38
Posted 25 February 2008 - 11:04 PM
#41
Posted 26 February 2008 - 02:23 AM
#43
Posted 26 February 2008 - 03:16 AM
#44
Posted 26 February 2008 - 03:23 AM
#47
Posted 26 February 2008 - 03:44 AM
You're on.
#48
Posted 26 February 2008 - 04:06 AM
#49
Posted 26 February 2008 - 02:18 PM
Back in ye olde day,large families were encouraged for help on the farm. In today's world, we have so much ridiculous technology that manual labor isn't required as much, and families only really need two children if they wish to experience parenting each gender...
"As will be detailed below, the behavior of the fetus and newborn is likely a reflection of reflexive brainstem activities which are produced in the absence of forebrain-mediated affective or cognitive processing, i.e. thinking, reasoning, understanding, or true emotionality (Joseph, 1996a, 1999; Levene, 1993; Sroufe, 1996). It is the much slower to develop forebrain which generates higher order cognitive activity and purposeful behaviors, and which is responsible for the expression and experience of true emotions including pleasure, rage, fear and joy and the desire for social-emotional contact (Joseph, 1992, 1996ab, 1999; MacLean, 1990)."
"It is rather obvious that the neonate is able to scream and cry and can even slightly lift the corners of the mouth as if smiling. However, these do not appear to be true emotions (Sroufe, 1996; however, see Izard, 1991). In fact, smiling, as well as screaming and crying can be produced from brainstem stimulation even with complete forebrain transection or destruction (Larson et al., 1994; Zhang et al., 1994; reviewed in Joseph, 1996a). Hence, neonatal and premature infant "smiling" or distress reactions to noxious stimulation (e.g. heel lance) are also likely brainstem mediated, particularly in that they may be triggered in the absence of any obvious stimulus source and following forebrain destruction or lack of development (anencephaly). However, as brainstem maturation continues in a caudal-rostral arc (Debakan, 1970; Langworthy, 1937), at term and over the following weeks and months, the immature hypothalamus (which sits atop the midbrain), and thus the forebrain, increasingly contributes to and gains control over these behaviors (Joseph, 1992, 1999)."
"The progression in behavioral complexity that begins with spontaneous fetal movements and which culminates with presumed preferences for the sound of mother's voice, also appear to reflect maturational events taking place in the brainstem, followed by forebrain structures. Indeed, the brainstem is first fashioned around the 33rd day of gestation (Bayer, 1995; Marin-Padilla, 1988; Sidman & Rakic, 1982) and nearly completes its cycle of development and myelination around the 7th gestational month (Gilles, Leviton, & Dooling, 1983; Langworthy, 1937; Yakovlev & Lecours, 1967). However, in contrast to the forebrain, the brainstem is incapable of cognition such as reasoning, comprehension, or thought (Joseph, 1996c), but instead reflexively reacts to a variety of stimuli in an exceedingly complex, albeit stereotyped fashion (Blessing, 1997; Cohen, Rossignol & Gillner, 1988; Cowie, Smith, & Robinson,1994; Steriade & McCarley, 1990)."
"For example, around the 10th week of gestation the fetus may take a single "breath" over a 24 hour time period, whereas by the 40th week "breathing" occurs much more frequently with some degree of regularity in regard to chest and abdominal movement
Nevertheless, the fetus and neonate appears incapable of thinking, reasoning, understanding, comprehending, or experiencing or generating "true" emotion or any semblance of higher order, forebrain mediated cognitive activity. Rather, although capable of learning, the increasingly complex behaviors demonstrated by the fetus and neonate, including head turning, eye movements, startle reactions, crying, screaming, and rudimentary smiling, are probably best described as brainstem reflexes."
If a woman, or girl, is kidnapped, raped, manages to live through it and becomes pregnant, such a situation would be traumatizing enough to a captive, but then having to deal with a growing child, and then having to deal with raising a child you didn't have time to plan for properly and having this new baggage to interfere with your life, a life you're trying to adjust back to after such a trauma. Especially if the girl is like, fourteen.
I could say several things about the bible. I won't.
What I will say is that human overpopulation is a problem in today's world. I'll step away from the concept of children born to mothers who SHOULDN'T BE, and shine a little light on it's effects on the world...
http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/images/2007/12/08/hadcrut3_temps.jpg
Throughout the years, as we use more of our resources in newer and particularly more dangerous ways, the temperature in parts of our Earth increase, commonly known as 'Global Warming'. (Though this is a misconception, the proper term would be 'Global Climate Change.') Global Warming occurs when the sun's rays and heat reach Earth and are kept within our atmosphere by something known as the 'Greenhouse Effect'. The Greenhouse Effect occurs because of greenhouse gases, excessive carbon emissions, and other such harmful substances (When in excess) we release into the atmosphere. The ozone layer depletes because of unfamiliar chemical reactions with carbon emissions and excessive CO2 and greenhouse gases which are being released into the atmosphere.
The greatest amounts of greenhouse gases come from our cities, our industries, our gasoline cars, our cigarettes burnt, hell, even cow farts. (Though cows have been farting since... The dawn of cows, their farts DO infact deplete the ozone. But this is irrelevant.) If you look briefly at the typical weather in a Northern Hemisphere city, you will notice that it rarely snows within MOST cities, while it will snow just outside of the city. Why? Too much heat being generated. Too much industry. Too much carbon emission
and other such gases and substances being released into the air. ... Snow melts.
Wanna see something scary?
World Population Clock
A approximately the second I'm typing this, ~6,655,824,550 people have come into existence and live at this moment, and you will notice that for every death counted on this clock, about 3 new births occur, outweighing these deaths dramatically. With more people, we use more of our resources, chop more of our trees, burn more fuel, smoke more cigarettes, cut down on the population of our animals (which becomes more and more of a problem as there are more mouths to feed, and animals are literally tortured in most agriculture facilities to produce more goods to give to this insane amount of people, but that too is irrelevant.) We come up with more ways to combat disease, which allow our bodies to grow immune to the diseases. once our bodies obtain this immunity, the diseases mutate into new and unfamiliar forms to our bodies, which can infect us once again. as this cycle continues, the diseases continue to mutate and will eventually grow to much more dangerous and fatal forms.
Look at China.
"China's population increases each year by approximately 12-13 million people, a number that exceeds the total population of individual countries such as Belgium, Greece, Cambodia, or Ecuador. Annual population growth in China actually exceeds the current population of Ohio, Illinois, or Pennsylvania." -Geography: China's Population
Since the 1970s, a one-child-per-family policy has been put into place in an attempt to cut down on China's immense population. To this day, the birth and death rate have decreased, but China still suffers the effects of such a large population, packed into apartments housing multiple families, crammed in busy streets, having not enough domestic jobs, to the point that they turn to Western companies who will use them as cheap labor, feeding the outsourcing problem in western countries such as America.
It angers me every time I'm out and about and I see another well-to-do American family piling their four little spoiled tots into their brand new gas guzzling SUV, just big enough to pile 'em all in and lug 'em to school, McDonald's, daycare, soccer practice, ballet (and more among the various other things they would rather stick their child in for an hour or so for some free time, instead of actually partaking in the raising of their child... But that's another topic for another time.) Children are very expensive to have, costing an approximate amount of $80,000 for every five years. An unhealthy child will cost inevitably more, and other such luxuries such as toys, summercamp, afterschool activities, birthday parties, etc. add on as well. There are many families who suffer poverty even prior to having children, and once that child is born, that child becomes a hole in said family's wallet, something that could be used to feed and sustain a childless family, rather than create yet another innocent child who will not be cared for properly, not fed enough, not be given many opportunities in life.
There are many children in this world in foster and orphanage care, children either abandoned or taken from abusive families by government or law enforcement. They are placed in foster systems, often riddled with abuse, and an environment in which children are surrounded and influenced in some way by other children uncared for, with their own behavioral and developmental issues.
"Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about 30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population."
"Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting)"
- Foster Care Statistics- Forstersurvivor.net
All because of families not suited to care for children.
Keyword: Planned Parenting. Too many children to care for, too many mouths to feed, too many resources being used, too many families, not enough homes, not enough jobs, not enough Earth. The wealthy families with 4+ children who spend their money frivolously could be donating their money to unfortunate families and children who need it. The excessive amounts of money they may spend on their excessive amounts of kids could go much further for those in absolute need of this money. Instead of birthing their own children, families could be adopting to help the problems of children in foster care systems. There just DOESN'T NEED TO BE this gigantic population, these multitudinous problems in the world, most in some part due to families that should never have been, families not planned out well, all which could have been stopped and planned properly if a woman does intend to start a family.
This is not to offend anyone on this board reading this, I myself am an adopted child born to an unmarried woman unable to care for a child, and I have no qualms or regrets about being adopted, though in reality, she is one of many women whom the world would have benefited from by having not undergone the entirety of her pregnancy. However, as it is, I am a fairly normal seventeen year old girl finishing highschool and moving onto college, I make good grades, I'm happy in life, and I love both of my parents dearly (though we've had our struggles- what parent and child hasn't). Many speak of a lost connection to a child adopted versus a biological child, and I can say from experience that I am no less happy in my family and in my life than friends I've had who have lived with their biological parents.
I suppose I should lose about ten points just for taking all this time. XD (That, and I feel ill and dizzy, I'm not exactly up to more detail and research right now...)
#51
Posted 26 February 2008 - 02:36 PM
(Keep in mind, I feel really ill today...)
#53
Posted 26 February 2008 - 03:31 PM
Now to talk abotu the abortion issue. I strongly beleive that peopel should be able to have abortions. Say a 14 year old gets pregnant, and her mother has very little money. That baby would grow up in a very bad enviroment, and wouldn't get the nurishment, or love that it truely needs. Isn't THAT even worse than having an abortion, but waiting to have a child when you can actually take care of it?
#54
Posted 26 February 2008 - 04:12 PM
PDM, on Feb 26 2008, 03:17 AM, said:
- 4
PDM, on Feb 26 2008, 03:23 AM, said:
- another 4
Split Infinity, on Feb 26 2008, 03:48 AM, said:
It should. +1
Elliott, on Feb 26 2008, 04:16 AM, said:
-3
Elliott, on Feb 26 2008, 04:31 AM, said:
I win.
Not a bad idea. +3
laharl the slayer, on Feb 26 2008, 04:38 AM, said:
the match is mine good sir
Copycat, -3
Elliott, on Feb 26 2008, 04:44 AM, said:
You're on.
Eh, -1
Saturos Striker, on Feb 26 2008, 05:06 AM, said:
-5
Jenna, on Feb 26 2008, 03:18 PM, said:
Back in ye olde day,large families were encouraged for help on the farm. In today's world, we have so much ridiculous technology that manual labor isn't required as much, and families only really need two children if they wish to experience parenting each gender...
"As will be detailed below, the behavior of the fetus and newborn is likely a reflection of reflexive brainstem activities which are produced in the absence of forebrain-mediated affective or cognitive processing, i.e. thinking, reasoning, understanding, or true emotionality (Joseph, 1996a, 1999; Levene, 1993; Sroufe, 1996). It is the much slower to develop forebrain which generates higher order cognitive activity and purposeful behaviors, and which is responsible for the expression and experience of true emotions including pleasure, rage, fear and joy and the desire for social-emotional contact (Joseph, 1992, 1996ab, 1999; MacLean, 1990)."
"It is rather obvious that the neonate is able to scream and cry and can even slightly lift the corners of the mouth as if smiling. However, these do not appear to be true emotions (Sroufe, 1996; however, see Izard, 1991). In fact, smiling, as well as screaming and crying can be produced from brainstem stimulation even with complete forebrain transection or destruction (Larson et al., 1994; Zhang et al., 1994; reviewed in Joseph, 1996a). Hence, neonatal and premature infant "smiling" or distress reactions to noxious stimulation (e.g. heel lance) are also likely brainstem mediated, particularly in that they may be triggered in the absence of any obvious stimulus source and following forebrain destruction or lack of development (anencephaly). However, as brainstem maturation continues in a caudal-rostral arc (Debakan, 1970; Langworthy, 1937), at term and over the following weeks and months, the immature hypothalamus (which sits atop the midbrain), and thus the forebrain, increasingly contributes to and gains control over these behaviors (Joseph, 1992, 1999)."
"The progression in behavioral complexity that begins with spontaneous fetal movements and which culminates with presumed preferences for the sound of mother's voice, also appear to reflect maturational events taking place in the brainstem, followed by forebrain structures. Indeed, the brainstem is first fashioned around the 33rd day of gestation (Bayer, 1995; Marin-Padilla, 1988; Sidman & Rakic, 1982) and nearly completes its cycle of development and myelination around the 7th gestational month (Gilles, Leviton, & Dooling, 1983; Langworthy, 1937; Yakovlev & Lecours, 1967). However, in contrast to the forebrain, the brainstem is incapable of cognition such as reasoning, comprehension, or thought (Joseph, 1996c), but instead reflexively reacts to a variety of stimuli in an exceedingly complex, albeit stereotyped fashion (Blessing, 1997; Cohen, Rossignol & Gillner, 1988; Cowie, Smith, & Robinson,1994; Steriade & McCarley, 1990)."
"For example, around the 10th week of gestation the fetus may take a single "breath" over a 24 hour time period, whereas by the 40th week "breathing" occurs much more frequently with some degree of regularity in regard to chest and abdominal movement
Nevertheless, the fetus and neonate appears incapable of thinking, reasoning, understanding, comprehending, or experiencing or generating "true" emotion or any semblance of higher order, forebrain mediated cognitive activity. Rather, although capable of learning, the increasingly complex behaviors demonstrated by the fetus and neonate, including head turning, eye movements, startle reactions, crying, screaming, and rudimentary smiling, are probably best described as brainstem reflexes."
If a woman, or girl, is kidnapped, raped, manages to live through it and becomes pregnant, such a situation would be traumatizing enough to a captive, but then having to deal with a growing child, and then having to deal with raising a child you didn't have time to plan for properly and having this new baggage to interfere with your life, a life you're trying to adjust back to after such a trauma. Especially if the girl is like, fourteen.
I could say several things about the bible. I won't.
What I will say is that human overpopulation is a problem in today's world. I'll step away from the concept of children born to mothers who SHOULDN'T BE, and shine a little light on it's effects on the world...
http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/images/2007/12/08/hadcrut3_temps.jpg
Throughout the years, as we use more of our resources in newer and particularly more dangerous ways, the temperature in parts of our Earth increase, commonly known as 'Global Warming'. (Though this is a misconception, the proper term would be 'Global Climate Change.') Global Warming occurs when the sun's rays and heat reach Earth and are kept within our atmosphere by something known as the 'Greenhouse Effect'. The Greenhouse Effect occurs because of greenhouse gases, excessive carbon emissions, and other such harmful substances (When in excess) we release into the atmosphere. The ozone layer depletes because of unfamiliar chemical reactions with carbon emissions and excessive CO2 and greenhouse gases which are being released into the atmosphere.
The greatest amounts of greenhouse gases come from our cities, our industries, our gasoline cars, our cigarettes burnt, hell, even cow farts. (Though cows have been farting since... The dawn of cows, their farts DO infact deplete the ozone. But this is irrelevant.) If you look briefly at the typical weather in a Northern Hemisphere city, you will notice that it rarely snows within MOST cities, while it will snow just outside of the city. Why? Too much heat being generated. Too much industry. Too much carbon emission
and other such gases and substances being released into the air. ... Snow melts.
Wanna see something scary?
World Population Clock
A approximately the second I'm typing this, ~6,655,824,550 people have come into existence and live at this moment, and you will notice that for every death counted on this clock, about 3 new births occur, outweighing these deaths dramatically. With more people, we use more of our resources, chop more of our trees, burn more fuel, smoke more cigarettes, cut down on the population of our animals (which becomes more and more of a problem as there are more mouths to feed, and animals are literally tortured in most agriculture facilities to produce more goods to give to this insane amount of people, but that too is irrelevant.) We come up with more ways to combat disease, which allow our bodies to grow immune to the diseases. once our bodies obtain this immunity, the diseases mutate into new and unfamiliar forms to our bodies, which can infect us once again. as this cycle continues, the diseases continue to mutate and will eventually grow to much more dangerous and fatal forms.
Look at China.
"China's population increases each year by approximately 12-13 million people, a number that exceeds the total population of individual countries such as Belgium, Greece, Cambodia, or Ecuador. Annual population growth in China actually exceeds the current population of Ohio, Illinois, or Pennsylvania." -Geography: China's Population
Since the 1970s, a one-child-per-family policy has been put into place in an attempt to cut down on China's immense population. To this day, the birth and death rate have decreased, but China still suffers the effects of such a large population, packed into apartments housing multiple families, crammed in busy streets, having not enough domestic jobs, to the point that they turn to Western companies who will use them as cheap labor, feeding the outsourcing problem in western countries such as America.
It angers me every time I'm out and about and I see another well-to-do American family piling their four little spoiled tots into their brand new gas guzzling SUV, just big enough to pile 'em all in and lug 'em to school, McDonald's, daycare, soccer practice, ballet (and more among the various other things they would rather stick their child in for an hour or so for some free time, instead of actually partaking in the raising of their child... But that's another topic for another time.) Children are very expensive to have, costing an approximate amount of $80,000 for every five years. An unhealthy child will cost inevitably more, and other such luxuries such as toys, summercamp, afterschool activities, birthday parties, etc. add on as well. There are many families who suffer poverty even prior to having children, and once that child is born, that child becomes a hole in said family's wallet, something that could be used to feed and sustain a childless family, rather than create yet another innocent child who will not be cared for properly, not fed enough, not be given many opportunities in life.
There are many children in this world in foster and orphanage care, children either abandoned or taken from abusive families by government or law enforcement. They are placed in foster systems, often riddled with abuse, and an environment in which children are surrounded and influenced in some way by other children uncared for, with their own behavioral and developmental issues.
"Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about 30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population."
"Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting)"
- Foster Care Statistics- Forstersurvivor.net
All because of families not suited to care for children.
Keyword: Planned Parenting. Too many children to care for, too many mouths to feed, too many resources being used, too many families, not enough homes, not enough jobs, not enough Earth. The wealthy families with 4+ children who spend their money frivolously could be donating their money to unfortunate families and children who need it. The excessive amounts of money they may spend on their excessive amounts of kids could go much further for those in absolute need of this money. Instead of birthing their own children, families could be adopting to help the problems of children in foster care systems. There just DOESN'T NEED TO BE this gigantic population, these multitudinous problems in the world, most in some part due to families that should never have been, families not planned out well, all which could have been stopped and planned properly if a woman does intend to start a family.
This is not to offend anyone on this board reading this, I myself am an adopted child born to an unmarried woman unable to care for a child, and I have no qualms or regrets about being adopted, though in reality, she is one of many women whom the world would have benefited from by having not undergone the entirety of her pregnancy. However, as it is, I am a fairly normal seventeen year old girl finishing highschool and moving onto college, I make good grades, I'm happy in life, and I love both of my parents dearly (though we've had our struggles- what parent and child hasn't). Many speak of a lost connection to a child adopted versus a biological child, and I can say from experience that I am no less happy in my family and in my life than friends I've had who have lived with their biological parents.
I suppose I should lose about ten points just for taking all this time. XD (That, and I feel ill and dizzy, I'm not exactly up to more detail and research right now...)
I don't intend to read all of that, +43
#57
Posted 26 February 2008 - 04:36 PM
#59
Posted 26 February 2008 - 05:18 PM
#60
Posted 26 February 2008 - 05:21 PM
Elliott, on Feb 26 2008, 04:21 AM, said:
>_>
PDM, on Feb 26 2008, 04:23 AM, said:
Elliott, on Feb 26 2008, 05:16 AM, said:
laharl the slayer, on Feb 26 2008, 05:38 AM, said:
Elliott, on Feb 26 2008, 05:44 AM, said:
YOU GUYS HAVE THE SICKEST, MOST DEPRAVED, INHUMANE THINKING POSSIBLE.
#61
Posted 26 February 2008 - 06:49 PM
And who ever disagrees with me, stop eating meat or plants for the matter =)
#62
Posted 26 February 2008 - 07:41 PM
Besides, are we not all equals on this earth, us and the mammals/birds/reptiles/insects?
#63
Posted 26 February 2008 - 07:43 PM
The predator eats the prey.
#64
Posted 26 February 2008 - 07:45 PM
\
And the relegion thnig was more so for Gio, sorry.
#65
Posted 26 February 2008 - 07:47 PM
.eugine, on Feb 26 2008, 08:43 PM, said:
The predator eats the prey.
LMAO, sorry, just had to post it. It's so true.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RSqoYFFPa0
#67
Posted 26 February 2008 - 07:51 PM
#68
Posted 26 February 2008 - 07:51 PM
And Dipsy summed up my feelings on abortion a page or two back.
#70
Posted 26 February 2008 - 07:59 PM
Anyway, are you saying all life is equal? Therefore, we have the same importance as those bacteria? Are you saying we have the same importance as those insects?
Religiously: Man was the ONLY specie to be made with God's image. We are superior.
Sientifically: We are the also superior specie. Don't have any info to provide though.
Sry man, but human life is more important. I sure wouldn't sacrifice a human for a ****roach.
#71
Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:05 PM
#72
Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:22 PM
Yes, human life is more important than a roach, but a 3 week old fetus? I am more aiming this at people who are against abortion.
#73
Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:29 PM
#74
Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:50 PM
.eugine, on Feb 26 2008, 07:59 PM, said:
Anyway, are you saying all life is equal? Therefore, we have the same importance as those bacteria? Are you saying we have the same importance as those insects?
Religiously: Man was the ONLY specie to be made with God's image. We are superior.
Sientifically: We are the also superior specie. Don't have any info to provide though.
Sry man, but human life is more important. I sure wouldn't sacrifice a human for a ****roach.
#75
Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:54 PM
And now that you are here, did Adam and Eve eat meat in the Graden?
#76
Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:57 PM
#77
Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:58 PM
#78
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:01 PM
#79
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:02 PM
Uh, and why are you comparing the Garden of Eden to this world. It's totally different. Adam and Eve didn't even know anything about 'killing' there x.x
Much less, did they even eat? lolz
#80
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:03 PM
#83
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:11 PM
#84
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:12 PM
#85
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:13 PM
#86
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:14 PM
#87
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:18 PM
#88
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:22 PM
Dipset, on Feb 26 2008, 05:41 PM, said:
Besides, are we not all equals on this earth, us and the mammals/birds/reptiles/insects?
It also states in the bible that "God's Chosen People" were to kill a lamb, spread it's blood over their door, and eat the lamb for supper during the passover. It also states that god made animals for us to eat. Meat is a far more abundant resource pf protein (which we need) than plants. Very few plants have enough protein in them to sustain a human.
#89
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:22 PM
escout, on Feb 26 2008, 09:18 PM, said:
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Haha...funny....Not
No, seriously though, your typical conservative is a Christian. I mean in the U.S. there are a lot of Christian liberals to because the nation was founded on Christian principles.
#90
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:45 PM
Toasty, on Feb 26 2008, 11:22 PM, said:
Not to turn this into a religious debate, but I hardly think God would choose one people over another. He loves everyone, no? So why the exclusivity?
#91
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:51 PM
except I don't agree with PETA either..
oh and I'm conservative and not christian, so tada! well...canadian conservative
Anyways, reasons hurting animals is wrong: they are living creatures. K nuff said
alright, reasons why humans are not above them: 1) at least animals don't kill each other for like a new pair of shoes, so in some ways they are more intelligent. snapsnap.
2) we are only the most intelligent species in our interpretation of intelligence. Wow, human defined intelligence favors us, crazy.
3) For all you religious peeps who say we are superior, I've read the bible, we were put here to take care of the garden of eden and the animals in it, so really we're like the animal kingdoms gardener/maid. FTW
#92
Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:59 PM
kate, on Feb 26 2008, 09:51 PM, said:
except I don't agree with PETA either..
oh and I'm conservative and not christian, so tada! well...canadian conservative
Anyways, reasons hurting animals is wrong: they are living creatures. K nuff said
alright, reasons why humans are not above them: 1) at least animals don't kill each other for like a new pair of shoes, so in some ways they are more intelligent. snapsnap.
2) we are only the most intelligent species in our interpretation of intelligence. Wow, human defined intelligence favors us, crazy.
3) For all you religious peeps who say we are superior, I've read the bible, we were put here to take care of the garden of eden and the animals in it, so really we're like the animal kingdoms gardener/maid. FTW
Yet again let me say that was the old testament and also we failed God and got kicked out of the garden of Eden so therefore I don't think we are maids of the animal kingdom.
#93
Posted 26 February 2008 - 10:01 PM
#94
Posted 26 February 2008 - 10:13 PM
"BUT because the species Homo sapien is superior to other species mentally and physically"
If we are superior, we are not naturally equivalent.
#95
Posted 26 February 2008 - 10:40 PM
#98
Posted 26 February 2008 - 10:45 PM
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thats what I was wondering. lol
#100
Posted 26 February 2008 - 10:49 PM
However, while I would never go out of my way to hurt them and I certainly believe in their rights, I still will eat meat if the act has been done.
Call it hypocrisy, but that's my view on it.
#109
Posted 26 February 2008 - 11:06 PM
wow i can pretty much just ditto what gl said
so yeah. ditto.
oh and I don't believe the new testament, only old. Sooo hence my reasoning. I'm old school :D
#110
Posted 27 February 2008 - 12:56 AM
Golden Legacy, on Feb 26 2008, 07:45 PM, said:
It doesn't mean that he loves them and no one else, but those were the descendants of David (I think, I'll have to check again) who he blessed.
There's more to it, but I can't recite the bible from memory, so I'll get back to you on that. /=
#111
Posted 27 February 2008 - 06:16 AM
http://www.lolwut.com/pics/abortion.jpg
#113
Posted 27 February 2008 - 10:13 AM
BUt no, I am all for killing animals, but I am trying to see from the point of view of people who aren't for it.
If you look at a fetus that is 1 month old, what do you see, VERY little. If you look at a lamb that is fully grown, you see so much, yet you are apposed to killing something this>>. small, but yet you are saying you'd like to kill a lamb?
This is hypocrisy at it's worse. But wait, oh no, it is still killing a human, but really, I beleive(and don't quote me on it), a human has no real features at 1 month, so really, its jsut a dot in the women's body.
#114
Posted 27 February 2008 - 11:58 AM
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z254/laharl_the_slayer_07/nazivampire.gif
#115
Posted 27 February 2008 - 12:18 PM
#118
Posted 27 February 2008 - 01:10 PM
Dipset, on Feb 27 2008, 12:45 PM, said:
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And the relegion thnig was more so for Gio, sorry.
Well that's fair enough, I mean a cricket is equal to a human being in a lot of ways. They both are alive and uh... well...
Next thing you know you'll be comparing stepping on a flower to abortion, Christ.
#119
Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:03 PM
#120
Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:04 PM
Why then, is animal cruetly illegal, hmm?
And I didn't compare a 5 year old child to an insect, I compared a ****ing fetus that has NOTHING that makes up a human being.
#122
Posted 27 February 2008 - 04:35 PM
#123
Posted 27 February 2008 - 04:35 PM
Just for this topic, I am putting up areguments that an animal activist would use, because people's reasonings of why abortion shouldn't be allowed are jsut ****ing retarded. *Looks at Agitio*.
#125
Posted 27 February 2008 - 04:43 PM
#126
Posted 27 February 2008 - 04:48 PM
#127
Posted 27 February 2008 - 04:49 PM
#130
Posted 27 February 2008 - 04:52 PM
#131
Posted 27 February 2008 - 04:55 PM
#132
Posted 27 February 2008 - 04:57 PM
DarkSword, on Feb 27 2008, 05:51 PM, said:
But we don't NEED to eat meat. Grain, vegtables, and milk products, are all perfectly good foods that we can eat.
escout, on Feb 27 2008, 05:52 PM, said:
And the funny thing is, if a shark kills a human, people go insane, but if we kill a shark, we are heroes.
Aren't they just eating? Answer me that, oh plllllease try and answer me that?
#133
Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:01 PM
#134
Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:02 PM
#135
Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:03 PM
Prove me wrong people.
EDIT-Yes, but we shouldn't go killing a creature jsut because it is donig what nature intended it to. And I am gonig to bring religion into this. Is God didn't want sharks killing humans, he would NOT have made them that way. They are just having LUNCH, jsut liek we would.
And sure, we are superior, but we have becoem the worst thing for this planet.
#137
Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:04 PM
#138
Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:06 PM
So basically, you are saying that animals can kill animals for food, but the second it lays a finger/tooth/fin/antane(sp) on us almighty humans, who are in fact killing this planet, it is the ****nig devil?
#139
Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:29 PM
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!
*flees*
seriously though, you're getting intense on a topic you supposedly have nothing to do with
#140
Posted 27 February 2008 - 06:30 PM
#141
Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:17 PM
Don't think I want to, though. And besides, it doesn't help my argument... If a baby in my belly gets in the way of my life, I'd KILL that little bugger. 'Nuff said. And I see no problem with this, I'm actually aiding the planet in doing so. =]
#143
Posted 27 February 2008 - 08:21 PM
#144
Posted 27 February 2008 - 08:34 PM
and his was funny
need to stay on topic.....
Abortion lulz
#145
Posted 27 February 2008 - 09:08 PM
Dipset, on Feb 27 2008, 05:06 PM, said:
So basically, you are saying that animals can kill animals for food, but the second it lays a finger/tooth/fin/antane(sp) on us almighty humans, who are in fact killing this planet, it is the ****nig devil?
But who created us gave us the intelligence to come up with ways to kill a shark. I am just saying lol.
What did happen to the original topic?
#146
Posted 27 February 2008 - 09:37 PM
#149
Posted 27 February 2008 - 09:58 PM
"In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards" Mark Twain