Enoch, on Jul 1 2009, 08:25 AM, said:
I served State-side. Montana Mission.
I don't know about minority, but I do know that those who are against gay marriage usualy aren't as vocal about it. Both California, and more recently New York, voted against Gay marriage. 2 of the most populist states in the US.
Yeah, and the majority of the country voted for Obama, but that doesn't mean there aren't millions out there that highly disagree. Just because you got a 2 percent advantage over another group means nothing. It's because the older generations are the ones voting, and their orthodox beliefs are being put into play. But the much of the newer generations, the ones who have seen the errs of the old generation were unable to vote in the last california election. Many of the northern states (Massachusetts, Connecticut and Iowa) already allow gay marriage, and many will be allowing it within the next year (Vermont, Maine, NH)--Some of the very same states that began this country.
Enoch, on Jul 1 2009, 08:25 AM, said:
I'm not stopping anyone from having the same rights. By tradition, marriage is a union recognized by God, between a man and a woman. Anyone can have one. It's what a marriage always was.
Actually, I have hunted high and low through the bible, and no where does it say that a marriage is solely between a man and a woman. Don't forget, I am a Christian too--just one that's for gay-marriage.
Enoch, on Jul 1 2009, 08:25 AM, said:
We aren't stepping on it. We are simply trying to keep it what it always was. The "Old orthodox beliefs" is what helped form US law in the first place. It isn't just the Orthodox faith anymore. Try the Vast majority of popular religion in general, as well as the ancient cultural beliefs (except for possibly Sodom and Gomorah and others like them) predating Jesus Christ himself. God spoke against union of the same sex for who knows how long. The Bible isn't the only religious text that speaks against Gay marriage. Jew and Muslim believe the same. I don't have to go into all the other faiths. You can do that research on your own, and come to the same conclusion.
I have done very extensive research, and I can only find one passage in the Bible that is against sex between two males (not females, though), yet absolutely NOTHING that says they can't get married. And the Bible takes that law from the Jewish belief, and I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) but Islam takes many of the laws from the Bible as well--they believe that Moses, who received the law against homosexual fornication, was a prophet of God (Note that Islam was dated around 600 AD, so it's
after Jesus came)
Enoch, on Jul 1 2009, 08:25 AM, said:
And someone across the country can't influence Gay marriage in your state now anyways.
Haha, and thank god for that. I meant someone across the state, my bad. (And in my state, that's over a couple hundred miles ;])
Enoch, on Jul 1 2009, 08:25 AM, said:
God wants the world to have children and reproduce. That is something that most can agree on, and even atheists can agree that reproduction is a good thing. The fact is that a society that chooses not to reproduce is a society that is headed for failure. Idealizing same sex marriage is against the laws of God, and counteractive to advancing a society.
Yet we have children desperately needing loving parents and families in orphanages, some of which are overflowing. We have cities that are getting way too crowded (Mumbai, India anyone?) If you truly believe what you said, then you should also be advocating against birth control, because that is also counter productive to a "reproducing society" as well.
Enoch, on Jul 1 2009, 08:25 AM, said:
From the cradle of time, women were known for being the most valuable resource because of there reproductive roles. Marriage is a sacred right between a man and a women, and it is open to all who wish to uphold the sacredness of it. The sacredness of it is found in the belief.
Which is why women have been overshadowed by men since the cradle of time? I still am trying to get an answer out of the anti-gay marriage folk where exactly the Bible says that Marriage is solely between a man and woman, and giving it to a gay couple makes it un-sacred? God is the final authority, in our religion, on what is sacred or not. If some gay couple gets married, they're not going to undermine God's authority and power.
Enoch, on Jul 1 2009, 08:25 AM, said:
If homosexuals don't have that belief then why do they wish to pursue marriage?
Would you give up your 180 rights of a marriage and settle for the 30 some odd rights of a domestic partnership, because some religion didn't approve? I don't think so-- you should never ask anyone to do something that you yourself could not do. Marriage can also be given to a couple by the state, without a priest to ordain it, and even to an atheist couple. By what you're saying, we shouldn't give marriages to atheist couples as well, because they don't see it as being sacred by God. As for me? I know I'd want a marriage because there's something about that commitment, y'know, till death do you part, that allows you call out to the world that you truly love your partner, and would not stand to let anyone undermine that.