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#1   Neon 

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    Posted 30 July 2004 - 03:10 AM

    Just a small question. Is the town doing to be just a few buildings like in the trailer? Or are you going to make the town a bit more detailed and explorable?
    The later would be nicer, but it makes sence to keep it as simple as possible.

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      Posted 30 July 2004 - 03:56 AM

      We've created a Map Editor which allows us to build practically anything we want. We'll do some testing with different town layouts to see which suits best, but really there's no limit on how many objects [= houses, characters, items etc.] there can be in the field.

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        Posted 30 July 2004 - 04:36 AM

        Yeah, while I was posting that I was thinking of a Zelda LttP map editor I tried to use once. it allowed you to use whatever tiles you wanted, so I thought that maybe you guys would be able to use something similar.

        Should be good. I look forward to seeing what you come up with :)...

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          Posted 30 July 2004 - 06:38 AM

          Mmmm, wow i see, this is pretty cool.

          AveneR, what is considered a big town and a small town? i mean how many buildings etc?

          and so far which do you think is most suitable?

          wow, what i'm hearing is pretty cool! keep up the good work.

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            Posted 30 July 2004 - 09:01 AM

            Julian, on Jul 30 2004, 08:38 AM, said:

            AveneR, what is considered a big town and a small town? i mean how many buildings etc?

            and so far which do you think is most suitable?

            for as far as the big town/small town question goes, I really don't know, we'll have to look into that later. Also, we have yet to see which is the most suitable. It is likely we're going to test that with a public beta version. It mostly depends on how many people are going to play this game.

            Max and I also talked a little about letting players in on the design process, but I can't tell you more on this subject at this moment. Just keep checking the GSW website for news.

            Take care,

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              Posted 31 July 2004 - 01:38 AM

              I've readthat you cannot battle in Golden Sun World. But why are there items, if you can't battle? Or is there a storyline or something??!?!

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                Posted 31 July 2004 - 02:29 AM

                Kaj, on Jul 31 2004, 03:38 AM, said:

                I've readthat you cannot battle in Golden Sun World. But why are there items, if you can't battle? Or is there a storyline or something??!?!

                Oh, I see someone is a little curious, well, I can tell you what they're for, but that would kinda spoil a few things. Let me just give you something to work with, it is just an example, but should get you going: better shoes lets your character run faster...

                Take care,

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                  Posted 31 July 2004 - 02:40 AM

                  .... >=D I will make an oath today that I will get the best items EVER when it opens.

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                    Posted 31 July 2004 - 05:32 AM

                    Man, when this thing opens. will on the comp 10 times more than usual! It sounds awesome! I hope that leaves time for this forum though...

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                      Posted 31 July 2004 - 06:49 AM

                      Cool, but I want to know how we actually earn money...

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                        Posted 31 July 2004 - 05:13 PM

                        Agatio, on Jul 31 2004, 07:32 AM, said:

                        Iwill on the comp 10 times more than usual!

                        I will be on twice aslong!!!!!I am on the computer ALOT already so I will be on like 6 times a day for like 3 hours!!!!!!!!

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                          Posted 31 July 2004 - 05:32 PM

                          Eugine, on Jul 31 2004, 05:49 AM, said:

                          Cool, but I want to know how we actually earn money...

                          uh, mini games? uh, buy/sell thing... i dunno, but who cares?! *rips GSW FAQ*
                          PARTY!!! omg! we can totally like party on GSW!! (except that's sorta loser-ish)

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                            Posted 31 July 2004 - 06:23 PM

                            May I be so intrusive to ask, might you be able to make available the editor for the download and use of members?

                            Its fine if you say no, its just, at the FE Battle Realm forum you can download a FE map editor (a...revised Advance Wars program) and its quite interesting to create your own places.

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                              Posted 01 August 2004 - 03:52 AM

                              Water Assassin, on Jul 31 2004, 08:23 PM, said:

                              May I be so intrusive to ask, might you be able to make available the editor for the download and use of members?

                              Its fine if you say no, its just, at the FE Battle Realm forum you can download a FE map editor (a...revised Advance Wars program) and its quite interesting to create your own places.

                              I'm going to direct you to a piece of text in my first reply in this topic:

                              "Max and I also talked a little about letting players in on the design process, but I can't tell you more on this subject at this moment. Just keep checking the GSW website for news."

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                                Posted 01 August 2004 - 03:36 PM

                                Aye. After reading this topic, I can tell that GSW is going to be great. And

                                "Max and I also talked a little about letting players in on the design process, but I can't tell you more on this subject at this moment. Just keep checking the GSW website for news."

                                would be great.
                                Maybe not exactly "in on it" but the beta players offer suggestions that are actually used.

                                Anyways, we should stop bothering AveneR about this and just wait a little while longer.

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                                  Posted 01 August 2004 - 08:21 PM

                                  Like AveneR was saying, we have not decided yet whether we will distribute the map editor to the community to aid in designing maps, but any decision will certainly be posted on the GSW news page.

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                                    Posted 02 August 2004 - 02:35 AM

                                    I know I would realy love to help design the town or whatever else. But really, it's up to you guys, and I have complete faith that you will come up with something good.

                                    It might be an idea to reconstruct the town every, like, few months or something, to add some variety :lol:.

                                    That brings up another question, is it possible for you guys to chage things whenever you want? Like, add a building, close buildings, make a fence, remove trees, add npc's or whatever whenever the inspiration hit you, or would it be far too time consuming? That could possibly add some interesting scenarios, even if it only for variety's sake...

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                                      Posted 02 August 2004 - 03:41 AM

                                      Neon, on Aug 2 2004, 04:35 AM, said:

                                      That brings up another question, is it possible for you guys to chage things whenever you want? Like, add a building, close buildings, make a fence, remove trees, add npc's or whatever whenever the inspiration hit you, or would it be far too time consuming? That could possibly add some interesting scenarios, even if it only for variety's sake...

                                      I pretty much wanted to keep this a bit of a surprise, but then again, it's probably more interesting to tell you guys, so you can come up with some cool ideas.
                                      The answer is.. yes.

                                      We are in fact able to change anything, anywhere. We decided to take a server-side approach of things almost from the beginning. That basically means that all the actual map and player data is stored on the server instead of on your own PC. That way, whenever you change to a different environment/field, the new map is instantly loaded from the server.

                                      So you see, we just have to edit those maps on the server to change something. Things like opening/closing doors, removing/adding objects or NPCs etc. is all possible.

                                      Ok, in return, you've got to give us some neat ideas to work with :wacko:

                                      Take care,

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                                      Posted 02 August 2004 - 02:55 PM

                                      this game sounds cool. cant wait till it comes out.

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                                        Posted 02 August 2004 - 05:29 PM

                                        Ideas, hmmm... I love a good challenge.

                                        Maybe a background music. I don't think getting it to change with the areas is easy, though. I don't know, Vale's music really bugged me after a while.

                                        Ohh! I've got one. You could create a temple or four to represent the elements. I think using the statues surrrounding the aerie's and perhaps putting a few djinni sprites here and there.

                                        Also, in my previous post I didn't mean that members could give u maps. I just meant we could fiddle around with it. I don't know, its your choice. :P

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                                          Posted 02 August 2004 - 11:34 PM

                                          Wow you all are smart...I didn't even think of that...Such open minds...As for AveneR and Max...I think this game with be the greatest (not exaggerated) out of any online game...Not to mention a big boost of new members onto the site and forums...It seems awsome...Keep up the good work...all of you...

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                                            Posted 04 August 2004 - 05:55 AM

                                            *drools*
                                            After reading this some of the stuff on the GSW boards, I am now DYING for this to be released, it sounds absolutelt FANTASTIC.
                                            *drools yet again*

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                                              Posted 06 August 2004 - 07:52 AM

                                              after all these questions...... i would like to know with what did you do it?
                                              Java, C? C++????

                                              As for ideas and I said it earlier..... :)

                                              Maybe hide Djinn around town with puzzles and they give you money upgrades? bigger wallet? And a level up function so u can do better things etc...

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                                                Posted 07 August 2004 - 12:26 AM

                                                About the map editor

                                                It would be good if we could design our own houses/towns/maps and then send the files or whatever into max/avener, and then they review them and if they are good enough, they put them on the game. Then you could have like, a hall of fame for all the best map designers.

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                                                  Posted 07 August 2004 - 08:02 PM

                                                  Mabey if you could build your own house or something that would be cool.

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                                                    Posted 08 August 2004 - 07:55 PM

                                                    Odyssey_ml: The client that everyone downloads is made with Macromedia Flash, but the server which does a vast majority of the work was made with Java and also uses a MySQL database system.

                                                    Agatio and Teblor Tribe: As I recently posted in another thread, allowing people to design and have their own houses/rooms has been an idea of ours since almost the beginning of the project. However, it is most likely that this feature will not be incorporated until after the initial release.

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                                                      Posted 09 August 2004 - 02:12 PM

                                                      ha ok, Max

                                                      Thumbs up for you

                                                      Back to topic...

                                                      So actually you have a house for yourself
                                                      Can you add furniture yes/ no / not sure
                                                      Are there gonna be anything else in the game except interaction and mini-games (djinn or something) yes/no/not sure

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                                                        Posted 09 August 2004 - 05:42 PM

                                                        About the house stuff: We don't have any details to give you all, because we simply haven't thought much about it except as a future possibility.

                                                        No, there will not be much more in the game at first except "interaction and mini-games." If you want some kind of huge game go play a real MMORPG. We are making GSW so that people in the community can have fun together and interact.

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                                                          Posted 10 August 2004 - 06:19 AM

                                                          yes I understand ,thanx for the clearance. And Good luck!

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                                                            Posted 10 August 2004 - 09:57 AM

                                                            Is it just a field where the houses are or...???

                                                            And are there any waterfalls or something like that???

                                                            Why don't you copy Isaac's original town from Golden Sun 1 with the map editor???

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                                                              Posted 10 August 2004 - 12:19 PM

                                                              In the trailer you didn't see thingsl ike mountains etc....

                                                              And hwat's the border of the town? a fence? a black area where you can't walk in?

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                                                                Posted 10 August 2004 - 01:34 PM

                                                                Good point there has to be something there.

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                                                                  Posted 10 August 2004 - 04:42 PM

                                                                  The town map has not been finalized yet, and probably won't be for awhile, so I can't comment any of these questions yet. For the person that asked, we can't just duplicate Vale because that is copyright property of Camelot and Nintendo, and the last thing I want are legal issues.

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                                                                    Posted 10 August 2004 - 06:10 PM

                                                                    Can you just rearange the buildings?

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                                                                      Posted 10 August 2004 - 06:55 PM

                                                                      To be honest, why would we want to be unoriginal and copy someone else's map? We wouldn't of course. That's why we are going to create our own maps. We have observed the real games' map designs, and we will try to make ours as "realistic" as possible.

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                                                                        Posted 10 August 2004 - 11:27 PM

                                                                        Thats cool Max,I am glad you want to be original!!Keep up the good work and be quick!!!jk about the be quick,take as much time as you need :mellow:

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                                                                          Posted 13 August 2004 - 04:26 AM

                                                                          Yeah, I begin to like you, Max! :(

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                                                                            Posted 14 August 2004 - 02:32 PM

                                                                            Woh, Max the Hero hehe ^_^
                                                                            Anyway fine idea orginality is one of the most important expects of a game... almost of everything your making...


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