[My Best Wishes]

i'm kind of surprised no one has made this yet....

i checked in the newspaper this morning (australia) and it says the death toll has risen to over 120,000. it says over $300million has been donated and u.s.a has donated $30million, australia: $25million from people and Businesses and the government $35million and supplies and a field hospital. although it said George Bush had said that The U.S.A would give more and the $30million was just to start off. From what i read Phuket and Pi Pi island in thailand are practically gone.

what do you think on this diaster?

i'm editing cos of what nick posted below. this information ^ is what i can remember and what the articale stated.

This post has been edited by watch: 30 December 2004 - 07:33 PM

[Nick Presta]

I feel for this. It's so sad how a natural disaster could have killed so many.

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Among Canada's largest corporate donations to date are the country's five biggest banks, which collectively have announced $425,000 of donations in their own names and opened accounts at their branches to receive additional money. But small companies were also stirred to take action after seeing the extent of the misery caused by the disaster, possibly the most deadly in history.

Canada is doing it's part too.

[ForteGX]

Horrible...I've heard that there could be well over 400,000 deaths in Indonesia alone...so you have to add that to the initial 120,000, and no doubt that that number has risen, too.

[Linear]

This is worrying, and it can be more worrying if someone is actually heading there for a weekly vacation. (Love_Guardian_Yuki must go there around that area for a week) So me and a friend of mine is trying to stop her from going. (Family Business I suppose).
And even though were all doing out part, there's isn't much we can do rather than give the state donations to it.
No one would like this disaster, more people are dying. (No one wants more death, now do they?).

[My Best Wishes]

ForteGX, on Dec 31 2004, 01:37 PM, said:

Horrible...I've heard that there could be well over 400,000 deaths in Indonesia alone...so you have to add that to the initial 120,000, and no doubt that that number has risen, too.

i heard/read that in indonesia that whole villages have been wiped out. and that people are being treated for all sorts of diseases and its estimated that disease and hunger could kill millions (i think that might have been an exaggeration from the paper)

[Elliott]

I think it will get to 1000000 deaths in the coming weeks. The initial wave was bad, but then there are the orphaned children who won't last terribly long, and the virus. A real tragedy, worse than September 11 or even pompei.

[Iloverpgs]

Ugh it's so horrible that so many people have died and how many familys have to suffer over there.



I wish I could donate some how or something.

[Ganon]

Ugh.I what happened there!Its so sad!I wish I could save someone there, anyone.Now there talking about valcano's on canary isle that could cause this to happen to some of the east coast of U.S.A!And one guess to where I live.:(And it also VERY VERY slightly changed the rotation of the earth shortening each day by about 3 micro seconds!.........................

[Andross]

Agatio, on Dec 31 2004, 05:55 AM, said:

I think it will get to 1000000 deaths in the coming weeks. The initial wave was bad, but then there are the orphaned children who won't last terribly long, and the virus. A real tragedy, worse than September 11 or even pompei.

1 million is stretching it, but it could reach that with the after effects. I don't think the initial wave took out that many.

BTW, it sounds weird saying 'the virus.' O_o Never again, never again Agatio :)

The one disease I remember being vaccinated against is typhoid (common with lack of clean water and food, caused by spreading of lice). I don't remember the others though.

[MysticWarrior]

Everytime there's a disaster in Indonesia, thousands get killed.

[Linear]

At the end of this year, and so on, there's going to be more deaths, many injured. There isn't much we can do but help out that area with the donations some are giving.

[Luna]

Google and other big sites like Amazon have links for people who want to help o.o;

[My Best Wishes]

i heard on the radio that U.S.A has finally donated some real cash, after their tight donation of $30 milllion they have given around $350million. good since i think it was Denmark gave $88 million.

[Andross]

Their initial donation was $35 million :ph34r:

Anyway, I guess Max should consider putting a link to UNICEF or something up on the site.

[Mewt]

It was sickening that the British government only initially wanted to give £15 million ($30 million). But the people over here are so eager help so we're giving a lot more. I myself have been so devasted by what's happened. I can't believe there are pictures of people on vacation there who have gone back the beaches and are getting tans now! If I were there, I'd be desparate to help out however I could.

[Ganon]

Well...atleast we know some people in this world would give up some of thiers for others....

[Venus_Man1]

This is really sad. The other day there are 165 000 deaths and now a million.

[Ivan is my name]

Yeah, that is just horrible. I cant belive that that many died. Its so sad... :(

[Andross]

Venus_Man1, on Jan 2 2005, 12:00 PM, said:

This is really sad. The other day there are 165 000 deaths and now a million.

That number is way off. It's no where near one million. The current count as of today is 124,000+, but the UN claims that about 150,000 dead have been found.

The true numbers may never be known because many people may have been washed out to sea.

[Flamefire]

Nobody's fault at all,but this is horrible.
The Asian population has dropt by a lot of numbers.

[Venus_Man1]

Sorry, Andross. I didn't know correctly. Poor childrens.*looks at on TV*

[el_Sethro]

according to the news, there was one mother and her child who where stranded out in the ocean after the wave hit. they grabbed on to what they thought was a log, which turned out to be a python who swam them back to shore. I guess the python was also washed out to sea (as they aren't usually found in the ocean), so it headed back to shore. quite a stroke of luck.

[Elliott]

Andross, on Jan 1 2005, 06:40 AM, said:

1 million is stretching it, but it could reach that with the after effects. I don't think the initial wave took out that many.

BTW, it sounds weird saying 'the virus.' O_o Never again, never again Agatio :P

The one disease I remember being vaccinated against is typhoid (common with lack of clean water and food, caused by spreading of lice). I don't remember the others though.

Well, the news is now saying 5 million. Just think about it Andross. 12 countries, all those orphaned children, starving people, and the eventual virus/disease that will come from dirty water etc. 5 million is plausable when you consider all the many factors.

[Kikuichimonji]

either way, it is a horrible figure, and to think, I have alot of family living in those regions, but at least most of them survived

but all those who didn't...I don't know but I hope they are in a better place and nothing like this happens again...

[Echo_djinn]

No I would have to agree with Andross 5 million people would be to far out there to be true facts. It would take sometime to find out the correct numbers but lets not think of those people as just numbers because everyone of them had contributed some way some how in this world. Maybe not all of them were "good" people but they were humans who feel just like the rest of us so I don't always like it when people just shoot up numbers like it's just facts or statistics.

[TobiasMar]

now this is just terrible. And some people in my class even LAUGHED about a baby who barely survived in the ocean for 3 days hanging on a matress, and its parents were killed.
If a tsunami of that strength were to strike where I live, my home and much of the city would be underwater, I live near New Orleans, and the elevation is below Sea level. Luckily, theres no volcanoes or fault lines nearby, so I guess I am only lucky.

[Elliott]

Echo_djinn, on Jan 4 2005, 11:57 AM, said:

No I would have to agree with Andross 5 million people would be to far out there to be true facts. It would take sometime to find out the correct numbers but lets not think of those people as just numbers because everyone of them had contributed some way some how in this world. Maybe not all of them were "good" people but they were humans who feel just like the rest of us so I don't always like it when people just shoot up numbers like it's just facts or statistics.

There's around 150 thousand confirmed dead at the moment.
There are tons more unclaimed, lost at sea etc. There are many bodies that will never be recovered, and will eventually be confirmed dead. You just have to think about the magnitude of it. 12 countries, entire villages swept away. And like I keep saying, the disease/virus, as well as starvation, and even people turning against each other will make the death count soar.

[Andross]

Agatio, on Jan 4 2005, 01:43 AM, said:

Well, the news is now saying 5 million. Just think about it Andross. 12 countries, all those orphaned children, starving people, and the eventual virus/disease that will come from dirty water etc. 5 million is plausable when you consider all the many factors.

You heard wrong Agatio. That's way off. That's how many people might be homeless. That isn't anywhere near the number of actual deaths.

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The tsunami, triggered by an undersea earthquake off Indonesia, killed some 150,000 people across the Indian Ocean.

More than 1.8 million need food aid, and about five million are homeless.

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/4143459.stm

For an initial disaster, this is not the worst in the Earth's history mind you (I was wrong). The worst was the earthquake in Iran some years back (only a few), which killed 200,000+ people. After effects could easily grow to a number larger than that, but initially, this is merely the most costly and widespread in history.

You should also try and use your logical sense better, 'cause disease can't strike 4,800,000 dead people in a mere two weeks :silence:

[Venus_Man1]

...... How can they found out how many that are dead?

[Flamefire]

!,5 milion

[Echo_djinn]

You know since the tsunami hit I have been thinking that there is a word for when two giant waves collide? I know I have heard this word before but I forgot what it is. When two big waves, collide can anyone help me find this word?

[Ganon]

When two big waves collide?I've heard of hurricanes doing that creating some type of super storm..But try using the dictionary.Can you remember the first couple of letters?

[Andross]

Echo_djinn, on Jan 4 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

You know since the tsunami hit I have been thinking that there is a word for when two giant waves collide? I know I have heard this word before but I forgot what it is. When two big waves, collide can anyone help me find this word?

The waves don't ever collide. You should study your 8th grade science better :mellow:
Tsunamis are not made up of moving water. The water that hit these places was water off the shore, not water from the epicenter. That's because energy waves carry through the water, displacing it, and once it reaches shore it pushes the water at a high speed on shore because when that water doesn't transfer energy to more water, it just keeps going.

So when waves collide, it would be energy waves colliding, and the two waves would either lose most or all of their energy if they collided, due to disruption. However, it could also depend on where the energy wave is located depth wise. They could pass right under, over, or by each other.

I also have never heard of waves colliding in the first place, and I have no idea what word you are referring to, if it even exists. If anything, the word would have to do with an energy disruption, or the transfer of the energy wave into potential energy, rather than moving, kinetic energy.

[Echo_djinn]

Andross, on Jan 4 2005, 07:47 PM, said:

The waves don't ever collide. You should study your 8th grade science better :mellow:
Tsunamis are not made up of moving water. The water that hit these places was water off the shore, not water from the epicenter. That's because energy waves carry through the water, displacing it, and once it reaches shore it pushes the water at a high speed on shore because when that water doesn't transfer energy to more water, it just keeps going.

So when waves collide, it would be energy waves colliding, and the two waves would either lose most or all of their energy if they collided, due to disruption. However, it could also depend on where the energy wave is located depth wise. They could pass right under, over, or by each other.

I also have never heard of waves colliding in the first place, and I have no idea what word you are referring to, if it even exists. If anything, the word would have to do with an energy disruption, or the transfer of the energy wave into potential energy, rather than moving, kinetic energy.

Meh. Thanks for clearing that up but I was sure I heard the word for it somewhere. By the way I am not in grade 8. Were did you get that info?

[Andross]

I said 8th grade because that's the grade we learned about waves (energy, radio, radiation, yada yada yada). The same place where I picked some of that knowledge up, some of it made through logical inference.

[My Best Wishes]

i heard that, the indoesain? or thai government is refusing help and money......why would you refuse help when you've been hit by something like this....

[Ravenblade]

so that you arent indebted to other countries in the west...i can see their logic but even still refusing aid is an incredibly stupid thing to do. I've been pleasantly surprised by Britains response to it and its good to see the rest of the world rallying to help. I know quite a few people over there and its been quite a worrying time for me as i havent been able to get in touch with a couple of them...

I heard that the death toll could reach 500 000. The economy over there was only just beginning to recover from a recession in the 90's and now...it looks pretty bleak to be honest. Tourism is gonna go right down. I hope they recover but it'll take a good 10 or 15 years.

[Manning sucks]

Our school is going to give our chapel offerings over the next two months to some non-profit organiziation

[el_Sethro]

Andross, on Jan 4 2005, 11:00 PM, said:

I said 8th grade because that's the grade we learned about waves (energy, radio, radiation, yada yada yada). The same place where I picked some of that knowledge up, some of it made through logical inference.

well, in my grade 10 physics class, my teacher explained it to us, and there are colliding waves:

there is a large trench beside the islands that is made by a tectonic plate trying to force itself underneath another one. the tension builds, and a large chunk of the plate drops several metres in a split second. the water drops to fill the space, and more water rushes in from both sides to fill THAT space. two enormous waves then rush towards this area and collide, then "slosh", kind of rebounding back in opposite directions. meanwhile, on the shore, they are experiencing a kind of super-low tide, as the water is all rushing toward the area of the trench, and so the ocean recedes about a kilometer or so. the water then rushes back to the island... you know the rest.

also, it is in fact more dangerous on the BACK of the island then the front. though the front does experience the tsunami head on, the wave is much bigger than the island, and so the rest of the wave goes around the island and meets/collides at the back, making an even bigger wave. something to keep in mind if you ever should find yourself in such a situation.

so there you have it. there's the physics behind the tsunami. if you're ever at the beach and the tide recedes a kilometer all of a sudden, run.

[Manning sucks]

since the tsunami I was wondering if it could happen to where you live ;). in East coast of the USA its is possible according to my teacher. she said that some island in the Atlantic falls 4 inches (sorry don't know the metric system) every year
and it toatly collpases it could hit us.

So could it hit you?????? :)

[Ravenblade]

it would take a lot for something to hit europe but i guess any disruptions in the atlantic would do it.

What i found was quite surprising was that the Eurasian plate, the one Britain is on, was involved in the tsunami earthquake.

[Sea of Time]

If you live in Canada, you should donate because until January 11, the Canadian government will MATCH dollar for dollar what is donated. Our class has created a fundraiser and an assembly for the school on the topic of the Asian tsunamis.

[Ravenblade]

i dont know if our government has said its was going to match the public pound for pound but i know they were heavily criticised for only giving £50 million when the public gave £60 million. They did promise to match it

[Echo_djinn]

el_Sethro, on Jan 5 2005, 02:23 PM, said:

well, in my grade 10 physics class, my teacher explained it to us, and there are colliding waves:

there is a large trench beside the islands that is made by a tectonic plate trying to force itself underneath another one. the tension builds, and a large chunk of the plate drops several metres in a split second. the water drops to fill the space, and more water rushes in from both sides to fill THAT space. two enormous waves then rush towards this area and collide, then "slosh", kind of rebounding back in opposite directions. meanwhile, on the shore, they are experiencing a kind of super-low tide, as the water is all rushing toward the area of the trench, and so the ocean recedes about a kilometer or so. the water then rushes back to the island... you know the rest.

also, it is in fact more dangerous on the BACK of the island then the front. though the front does experience the tsunami head on, the wave is much bigger than the island, and so the rest of the wave goes around the island and meets/collides at the back, making an even bigger wave. something to keep in mind if you ever should find yourself in such a situation.

so there you have it. there's the physics behind the tsunami. if you're ever at the beach and the tide recedes a kilometer all of a sudden, run.

Well I don't know if your right but thanks for the info. I still think there is a word for all of that but I just can't remember it. You know I heard of the news that it would take about some billion to trillions of dollars to rebuild and fix everything but so far I think people have donated more then what the UN suspected. I think we have even passed what the UN thought would be the appropriate price to fix everything. Who knew it would take a natural disaster to bring the world together -_-.

[My Best Wishes]

heard on the news few nights ago that john howard has promoised the indoesian government ONE BILLION DOLLARS
500 million in cash and medical suppiles, 500 million in long term no interest loans, on top of the 800million aus has given in money,helicopters,fuel,soilders.

so all up aus has given 1.8billion to indoesnisa alone..... **** but whether this has been finalised or not i don't know

[Ravenblade]

thats a very impressive effort...im sure plenty of other countries, Britain included, could probably afford to be just as generous so i hope this spurs them on

[Andross]

Echo_djinn, on Jan 7 2005, 01:34 AM, said:

You know I heard of the news that it would take about some billion to trillions of dollars to rebuild and fix everything but so far I think people have donated more then what the UN suspected. I think we have even passed what the UN thought would be the appropriate price to fix everything. Who knew it would take a natural disaster to bring the world together ;).

I seriously doubt trillions, as immediate aid is being sent towards housing and medical funds. The people's houses weren't lavish in the first place, so I'd say 25 to 50k per house. Medicine is the real killer. Then there's clearing the land itself. That could take a long time, because it's hard to find a place to empty the waste at. That'll definitely be a good several million. Overall, I'd say 50 to 100 billion could get the place good. I'll be safe and say at the most, 500 billion, but it may never get that high.

[Echo_djinn]

Andross, on Jan 7 2005, 06:37 PM, said:

I seriously doubt trillions, as immediate aid is being sent towards housing and medical funds. The people's houses weren't lavish in the first place, so I'd say 25 to 50k per house. Medicine is the real killer. Then there's clearing the land itself. That could take a long time, because it's hard to find a place to empty the waste at. That'll definitely be a good several million. Overall, I'd say 50 to 100 billion could get the place good. I'll be safe and say at the most, 500 billion, but it may never get that high.

I may have exaggerated on trillions of dollars needed to fix up the damage. Though like you said fixing of the land, medicine needed for people, and homes to be rebuild would cost around that much. Jobs that were lost, businesses that lost money from the diaster, and the whole ecnomy itself needing to be rebuild around the damage areas will take sometime.

[Mewt]

I'm worried about what the people who have lost their homes are going to do during the coming years of clearing up the destruction and the rebuilding of so many destroyed buildings. I think the task is so enormous that it'll be a crisis area for years to come.

[Ravenblade]

yeah its going to be a real struggle for them. Especially when the world stops caring like its bound to do soon...a shame

[My Best Wishes]

well the worlds forgotten bout everything kinda, bali, 9/11. after say 6 months the countires will probably have to do everything for themsevles. but in some cases like thailand, only a few isalnds were hit, not the mainland itself.

[Ravenblade]

yeah - basically as soon as the media finds something new to obsess over and its out of the public eye then the problem begin.

I mean there's still reports everyday on explosions in Baghdad but i think most people, including myself, just turn a blind eye to it cos its been going on so long now. Hopefully the media and public support itself will continue long enough for the foundations on which to rebuild to be set down

[Andross]

watch, on Jan 9 2005, 07:54 AM, said:

well the worlds forgotten bout everything kinda, bali, 9/11. after say 6 months the countires will probably have to do everything for themsevles. but in some cases like thailand, only a few isalnds were hit, not the mainland itself.

Thailand isn't an island chain :wacko:
Indonesia is the large island chain, and while they didn't have a larger spread maybe, they had the most damage.

[Dullahan]

this was terrible, on a geological pov (as i am an geographer) it was very impressive, 9 on the richter scale. on a human pov it was the worst natural disaster in modern history

i mean no disrespect or harm with this statement

[Ravenblade]

wow i didnt know it was a 9 on Richter. Yes i agree with you though - i do a course in the geagoraphy and economic development of that region and its going to have them on their knees for some time. As i was saying earlier its a great shame cos they were only just hit by a recession as it was. They were in the process of recovering from that too...

[Echo_djinn]

I've also heard news that because of the tsunami disease is spreading to the devastated areas and medicine is needed for those people. Have you all heard about this to?

[Mewt]

Yeah, I heard that. They fear that as many people may die again due to disease, and the situation is worse due to the already full hospitals and general chaotic job of getting aid to everyone.

[Ravenblade]

but there really isnt any more that anyone can do is there? i mean it seems like we're doing as much as we can for now...its not like we can just build new hospitals..

[Manning sucks]

Ravenblade, on Jan 10 2005, 12:15 PM, said:

but there really isnt any more that anyone can do is there?  i mean it seems like we're doing as much as we can for now...its not like we can just build new hospitals..

Its not just taht what about the stuff that si in the hospitals that cost money too!!

Recently sports have donated 1 million to the reilf. One person preticular George Stienbrener. Not to get mad but he only donates one mill when he hasgot so much dang money he pisses it away on useless palyers

[Ivan is my name]

There was this girl learning about tsunami's at school and she recognised the signs, and saved about 250 people by getting them off the beach.

[My Best Wishes]

Andross, on Jan 10 2005, 03:16 AM, said:

Thailand isn't an island chain :D
Indonesia is the large island chain, and while they didn't have a larger spread maybe, they had the most damage.

yes, i reliase that, i lived for for a few years. thailand is connected to what continent it is, aisa? but they have a few isalnds, pi pi, phuket, co so moui. and the islands were hit, not the main bit of the country. in comparsent its like taismania being hit but australia is fine, the main country is ok

[Dullahan]

they reckon cholora will spread and may kill more than the waves did.

[Echo_djinn]

Dullahan, on Jan 11 2005, 03:33 AM, said:

they reckon cholora will spread and may kill more than the waves did.

No, I think the tsunami will kill more people then any disease will. Remember people were sick before the wave hit and diseases were still roaming around those places. Also medicine is being sent to places that need it so I doubt it will do the same or greater amount of devastation like the tsunami did.

[Manning sucks]

Echo_djinn, on Jan 11 2005, 12:00 PM, said:

No, I think the tsunami will kill more people then any disease will. Remember people were sick before the wave hit and diseases were still roaming around those places. Also medicine is being sent to places that need it so I doubt it will do the same or greater amount of devastation like the tsunami did.

I think that the disease will kill more because they have nothing to protect themselves from it. with people just roaming doing what they want it could be like africa with all of those AIDS cases.

[Andross]

Echo_djinn, on Jan 11 2005, 05:00 PM, said:

No, I think the tsunami will kill more people then any disease will. Remember people were sick before the wave hit and diseases were still roaming around those places. Also medicine is being sent to places that need it so I doubt it will do the same or greater amount of devastation like the tsunami did.

That's doubtable because the population that was killed was a mere fraction to those left homeless (200,000 to 5 million). Those who are homeless are at most risk because they are exposed to the standing water, mosquito breeding grounds, and thus malaria, cholera due to unclean water supplies, and typhoid, due to lack of food and unclean living conditions. There's already been reports of trouble with getting aid, and it seems starvation is a dangerous factor too. After effects are likely to see more people killed than initial death tolls.

[My Best Wishes]

and then you got the problem of the media getting bored then people won't care as much and no money will get through and then the country's will have to pay to fix everything and well this could take a long to fix up.

but disease and starvation will kill heaps no doubt.

[Sea of Time]

Our school donated 1000 dollars CD for the tsunami relief fund.

[My Best Wishes]

sweet, linkin park donated $100000, i saw it on mtv yesterday.

[Julian]

surprsingly, my school raised 20,000 dollars in 2 days (it's true, i was there)
:) I was a part of it so i'm very happy.

[Bekita]

I think it's great to see how many countries are getting together to help out these people.