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    Posted 27 January 2005 - 09:49 PM

    This isn't so much a suggestion as an idea and a question. The one question is, are limited sprites for all directions and movement the thing that's limiting the character line up?

    I would honestly really like the Kraden idea emphasised in the trailer, so, I started on some sprites for him. I'm to the point of all I need to do is remove the background behind him, and I even got a few more screens in of other characters to(Isaac's parents, Saturos and Menardi, townsfolk...) but I'm asking this because I'll put more effort into this if it can help expand the game, but if not, I'll just do it for Venus Lighthouse. If it can help, then I would encourage everyone to do what they can to get those animations for characters that they would like to see in the game(Pier, Sheba, Alex, etc...). I don't mean for this to pressure you into doing more work then you have to Max, but, if its all you need, and its something we can help with, I'm sure as a community we would love to know and help as much as possible.

    Here's what I have so far:
    http://www.get--a--life.com/OTHER/parents.PNG

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      Posted 27 January 2005 - 09:52 PM

      Wow, you started some sprites? That's cool, maybe Max could add them once he's done with all he has to do. How do you make sprites...?

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        Posted 27 January 2005 - 09:55 PM

        at first I could just grab sprites off of screenshots, but after a while, I realized I couldn't get it done with just screenshots, so, I stooped to emulators. Don't worry, I've already gotten the full experience from both(I beat them both) so its not like I'm playing through the first time without paying.

        Here are the Kradens I got from screenshots:
        http://www.gamesforfree.net/gal/OTHER/kraden.PNG

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          Posted 27 January 2005 - 09:58 PM

          Nice. There are plenty places to get sprites, I think. I never found a site with Kraden sprites, though...
          WOW! You have a lot of sprites! Nice ones, too!

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            Posted 27 January 2005 - 10:13 PM

            yeah, a lack of Kraden sprites is what got me thinking about getting some. I think I have all the Kraden sprites now, I just need to clean them up.

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              Posted 27 January 2005 - 11:04 PM

              By taking the green background off of them?

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                Posted 27 January 2005 - 11:22 PM

                No, the ones in the first post. The green BG ones are fine, those are the clean ones.

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                  Posted 27 January 2005 - 11:27 PM

                  Good job blink, it is great that you are trying to help out. those sprites look sweet!

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                    Posted 28 January 2005 - 06:29 AM

                    Well Blink, I applaud your effort, and I would say you can keep trying to get them all if you want. The main issue is that for us to use a character in GSW, we must have the full animation (6-7 frames) in the 6 main directions (up, up-right, right, down-right, and down; all the left directions are simply mirror images of the corresponding right directions). So if you are able to find all 42 frames that make up a character, then that would be awesome. However, I'm warning you that that might be an impossible task.

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                      Posted 28 January 2005 - 02:51 PM

                      Well, in a sense, it is impossible, but only since the nonmajor characters were only given 6 directions total(left, up-left, down-left, right, up-right, down-right) so it ends up that I already have all of Kradens, I just need to clean them. I guess that you could always have them facing in at an angle as the down angle, I dunno what you think of that. Also, this means that most NPCs only have 21 frames, which doesnt seem too impossible to me. Just let me know if only 6 directions total will be enough.

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                        Posted 28 January 2005 - 03:05 PM

                        Well, IMO, I say this is a good idea, exept I think just the remaining main characters of GS and GSTLA not added yet should be in there, and not the enemies.

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                          Posted 28 January 2005 - 03:13 PM

                          I only added Saturos and Menardi because I'm not far into the ROM, so I can't get any screens of anyone else yet. Then again, I only have the GS1 ROM right now, I need to get the second so I can add in the other characters.

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                            Posted 28 January 2005 - 03:22 PM

                            Wait, but aren't ROMs illegal?

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                              Posted 28 January 2005 - 07:32 PM

                              in a sense. It's ok if you are the one to put it on the computer, but you're not supposed to share it, so, a better system for legal ROMs would be that the code to a ROM was the number on your cartridge. The whole point of my using ROMs is to take screenshots and make sprites, nothing more. I also won't use a ROM unless I have beaten the game to every extent, or there is no other way to get it(say, Starfox 2 for the snes, never released, but a ROM was found). So, yes, they are, but I am using them in the most legal way possible, and if I was put in court over it, I would probably win the argument of it being legal for me.

                              Edit: here are some updated(and cleaned) sprites, I've added in Alex and that awesome dude in the first town in GS2(which I found, finally).
                              http://www.gamesforfree.net/gal/OTHER/parentsclean.PNG

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                                Posted 28 January 2005 - 10:15 PM

                                Quick update, I got all the sprites for the purpe theif. As you can see, I'm getting a lot done on these, so anyone feel free to suggest characters you would like to see in the game and I'll try to add them in if I can.

                                PS. All the rows of a character with a red circle behind them means its a confirmed animation loop. The rest I need to check.

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                                  Posted 28 January 2005 - 10:20 PM

                                  Your sprites are still good, Blink. I like them.

                                  Max, on Jan 28 2005, 07:29 AM, said:

                                  Well Blink, I applaud your effort, and I would say you can keep trying to get them all if you want. The main issue is that for us to use a character in GSW, we must have the full animation (6-7 frames) in the 6 main directions (up, up-right, right, down-right, and down; all the left directions are simply mirror images of the corresponding right directions). So if you are able to find all 42 frames that make up a character, then that would be awesome. However, I'm warning you that that might be an impossible task.

                                  O_O;; You need 42 frames for one character? Wow, that's tough...

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                                    Posted 28 January 2005 - 10:35 PM

                                    gsninja, on Jan 28 2005, 08:20 PM, said:

                                    O_O;; You need 42 frames for one character? Wow, that's tough...

                                    Heh, now think about how the spriters felt when they were told what they needed to do for Golden Sun ^__^;;;

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                                      Posted 28 January 2005 - 10:35 PM

                                      I've always known it was tough, but 42 frames? That's a lot...

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                                        Posted 28 January 2005 - 11:46 PM

                                        Alright, my first animations. Its of the theif...
                                        http://home.ripway.com/2004-3/85769/theifup.gif
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                                        http://home.ripway.com/2004-3/85769/theifdown.gif

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                                          Posted 29 January 2005 - 06:59 AM

                                          Very nice Blink, now if you could only get the two diagonals (up-right and down-right)...

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                                            Posted 29 January 2005 - 08:52 AM

                                            Those are the diagonals, he needs to the up and down ones.

                                            I was thinking of working on getting the peirs sprites, but to be perfectly honest, i don't have the time or patience to play through an entire rom to get them, or to learn how to get them :P (I think i know how, but I don't want to waste time only to find out that i'm doing it wrong).
                                            And let's not forget that they may not actually have all directions >_<

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                                              Posted 29 January 2005 - 09:15 AM

                                              WOW, nice blink, those look REALLY good. Nice of you to help.

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                                                Posted 29 January 2005 - 12:04 PM

                                                sorry Max but, those ARE the up, down, right, up-right, and down-right sprites. Camelot slacked on the job a bit, but not noticabley to normal gamers. They don't have any up and down sprites, they're the same as the diagonals for up and down.

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                                                  Posted 29 January 2005 - 01:36 PM

                                                  quick update on the sprites:(different post since its for a different subject/thing)
                                                  http://www.get--a--life.com/OTHER/parentsclean.PNG
                                                  They're all clean now, so I'm going to get to work on animating the rest of these...

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                                                    Posted 29 January 2005 - 01:43 PM

                                                    Um... dont mind me asking... but what are those red circles for?

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                                                      Posted 29 January 2005 - 01:58 PM

                                                      red circles show that its a confirmed loop, the rest I still have to check, and if they aren't loops, I have to go back and find the missing frame.../o_o\

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                                                        Posted 29 January 2005 - 05:40 PM

                                                        I'll point AveneR to this thread so we can discuss what to do. I'll post an update here when we decide.

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                                                          Posted 29 January 2005 - 06:25 PM

                                                          cool. Another quick update, I got the kraden sprites animated:
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                                                          like I said before, since he isn't a major character then he only has 6 directions, up-left, down-left, left, and their opposites, unlike the rest who have 8.

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                                                            Posted 30 January 2005 - 08:52 AM

                                                            Hey, that's some pretty useful stuff you got there, Blink!
                                                            Thanks for helping us out with this one, saves us a lot of time.

                                                            Most of those characters will now make an appearance in our next version.

                                                            Thanks again!

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                                                              Posted 30 January 2005 - 09:06 AM

                                                              Blink, I love that you are helping Max and AveneR on GSW. A++ to you! Keep it up!

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                                                                Posted 30 January 2005 - 10:16 AM

                                                                Whoa! You guys are really gonna include them?!?
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                                                                I feel so happy that I'm actually helping to expand an already cool idea. I'll post more characters as I sprite more of them...

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                                                                  Posted 05 February 2005 - 04:14 PM

                                                                  Very good sprites, Blink, perhaps this will help cut down on Isaac overusage...

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                                                                    Posted 06 February 2005 - 03:07 AM

                                                                    We'l get Alex overusage instead >_<.

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                                                                      Posted 06 February 2005 - 10:28 AM

                                                                      http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/garet33/Alexwalkup.gif
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                                                                      I to can make animations

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                                                                        Posted 06 February 2005 - 10:52 AM

                                                                        sweet garet! but, make sure to center your characters' animations...also, those alex animations on that sprite sheet weren't finished. They've been updated now so that the down and sideways animations are done on my sprite sheet.

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                                                                          Posted 06 February 2005 - 10:54 AM

                                                                          http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/garet33/Alexwalkright.gif

                                                                          wait..i was doing the right side one ^^;;


                                                                          edit-so you were finished with the Alex sprite Blink?

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                                                                            Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:13 AM

                                                                            woah those are awesome and well you seem to have alot of time too btw

                                                                            Nice of you to help that's for sure,. keep it up

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                                                                              Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:18 AM

                                                                              I can try making animation also. I have Photoshop CS, and I'm okay with it.

                                                                              Also, I give you major props for animating Kraden. d(^_^d)

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                                                                                Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:19 AM

                                                                                WHo me..<.< well i geuss i can make some sprites but i need a Better charcater sheet then Blinks sheet

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                                                                                  Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:20 AM

                                                                                  Garet 33, I was actually refering to the sprite sheet at the bottom of the first page, but be sure to hit refresh so you can be sure that its a different and updated sheet. That new one is actually quite centered though. Good job ^__^

                                                                                  Oh, and if you feel like working on any one in particlular, try to get Susa, Pengus, the Parrot, the dog, the werewolf kid, and the Kimbo warrior done if anyone.

                                                                                  Edit: added a few to who is done and you can do.

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                                                                                    Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:26 AM

                                                                                    Thankies!!OKay i'll do that ^^

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                                                                                      Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:42 AM

                                                                                      Garet33, on Feb 6 2005, 08:54 AM, said:

                                                                                      edit-so you were finished with the Alex sprite Blink?


                                                                                      No, like I said, only the down and the side animations of Alex are done. I'm working on the up animtion now though.

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                                                                                        Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:45 AM

                                                                                        O i see anyway

                                                                                        everything done

                                                                                        http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/garet33/Susawalk.gif
                                                                                        http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/garet33/SusawalkR.gif
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                                                                                          Posted 06 February 2005 - 03:18 PM

                                                                                          I am sooooo gonna be susa in GSW, now!!!

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                                                                                            Posted 06 February 2005 - 03:30 PM

                                                                                            sweet garet 33, but you might want to center the up facing one a bit more. Oh, and also, next time you post any animations, put them in order if you dont mind :-)

                                                                                            just a little thing I have as a preferance. you know,
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                                                                                            just because its easier on the eyes and it plain old looks better.
                                                                                            Oh, also, I got the islander done too if you feel like animating him. I could still animate everyone, I'm just focusing on sprite ripping right now, so you helping out is getting it done a lot faster.

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                                                                                              Posted 06 February 2005 - 07:04 PM

                                                                                              Yeah i'll make that animation ^^

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                                                                                                Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:13 PM

                                                                                                ack! please tell me you haven't done the down animation for him yet! I was missing some frames and I forgot to reupload it for them...X_X

                                                                                                its uploaded now though...

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                                                                                                  Posted 07 February 2005 - 12:55 AM

                                                                                                  I wanna be a djinni...

                                                                                                  for GSW ....yup .....

                                                                                                  Venus I think

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                                                                                                    Posted 07 February 2005 - 05:32 AM

                                                                                                    It seems Max and AveneR are adopting the mod-djinni idea. So unless you earn mod status, no djinni for you :).

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                                                                                                      Posted 07 February 2005 - 07:01 PM

                                                                                                      Djinn or Wise one or maybe both, but either way, I bet one of them is exclusive to mods. Maybe animals are...

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                                                                                                        Posted 08 February 2005 - 03:48 PM

                                                                                                        hmm well theirs barely anymore people from goldensun anymore...Blink have you done Piers? animation

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                                                                                                          Posted 08 February 2005 - 07:55 PM

                                                                                                          I'm getting Piers done. As for now, Sheba is done though, so feel free to animate her sprites.

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                                                                                                            Posted 09 February 2005 - 03:26 PM

                                                                                                            OKay then i will get on to that....hmm but dont we need goldensun chracters moving right to instead of down up and left

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                                                                                                              Posted 09 February 2005 - 05:45 PM

                                                                                                              Like I said, Piers isnt done yet, but Sheba is. Im not really sure what you ment by needing the right animation too, but all the characters have sideways and diagonal animations, no matter who they are. If they aren't a team member though, they don't have up and down animations.

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                                                                                                                Posted 10 February 2005 - 05:16 AM

                                                                                                                Garet33:You just invert the left facing sprite. The right facing one is exactly the same, just facing a different direction.

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                                                                                                                  Posted 12 February 2005 - 05:39 AM

                                                                                                                  Neon, on Feb 7 2005, 10:32 PM, said:

                                                                                                                  It seems Max and AveneR are adopting the mod-djinni idea. So unless you earn mod status, no djinni for you :P.

                                                                                                                  Where have you learnt this? and is it really only for MODS?

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                                                                                                                    Posted 13 February 2005 - 12:30 AM

                                                                                                                    sorry, i missread Max's post in that djinn-mod topic. He says that they will use something else to set the mods apart, and that the djinni sprites will be available for everyone to use.
                                                                                                                    Be happy! :wacko:

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                                                                                                                      Posted 22 March 2005 - 02:18 PM

                                                                                                                      Blink, I would just like to applaud your efforts, you will have made a great difference in GSW. So thank you.

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                                                                                                                        Posted 23 March 2005 - 03:14 AM

                                                                                                                        Link, this topic is old O.o.

                                                                                                                        But since it's been revived... :)
                                                                                                                        Blink, have you made any progress over the last 2 months? :P

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                                                                                                                          Posted 23 March 2005 - 03:34 PM

                                                                                                                          yup, expect to be able to play Sheba and Piers in the server test next week. Along with 3 other new playable characters.. :)

                                                                                                                          I checked with Max, and piers and sheba are definately confirmed. The other 3 are practically garunteed in, unless Max gets lazy :P

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                                                                                                                            Posted 24 March 2005 - 10:39 PM

                                                                                                                            oooh, Piers, awsome. I've always wanted to use his sprite :o.


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