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#1   Someone Else 

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    Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:44 PM

    Back in the days of Martin Luther King, that was perhaps the biggest time of racism. African Americans didn't have much (if any) of the rights white people did.

    Now it's 2005, and 'all men are created equal'.

    But now, alot of colored bullies push asians, whites, etc. around and no one really seems to care. And if a white person tries to stand up and say "I'm being discriminated" some will put their fingers in their ears and sing the la-la song while others call that man racist.

    What's up with that? If I do something wrong all the colored bullies say: "Bad move, white boy!" And I mean, I don't call people names like that, what gives them rights to call me that?

    Note, I'm not saying all colored people are like that. I have alot of friends of different races, and they're nice people.

    Now does anyone else get discriminated, and what are your opinions on racism?

    The rule against racist comments still applies

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      Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:47 PM

      well, there's always the playful comments i tend to get from tanned friends cos its part of the lingo and such, but it doesnt bother me. There's a big issue in Britain right now about middle eastern people and racism, on BOTH sides, but i havent experienced any of it thankfully.

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        Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:48 PM

        Actually, I believe the biggest time of racism is when Hitler was in power during WWII....he hated Jews, Dark-skinned people, Gypsies, Catholics, all other German Political Parties, and anyone who did not support Nazis. Plus, his soldiers committed many war crimes in concentration camps and abused civilians in the countries that were deafeated & occupied by Nazi Germany.

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          Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:48 PM

          I agree with you there. I think it is sometimes unfairly justified. I would get equally angry at any person who makes a racist comment about anybody.

          Basically, any form of racism, doesn't matter who they are from, is wrong

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            Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:51 PM

            There are even racists who believe all muslims are terrorists. Alot of muslims are just innocent civilians, and some people believe ALL muslims are terrorists just because the 9-11 attackers were Muslims. Just not right at all!

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              Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:54 PM

              i dont think Hitlers persecution wasn't quite as bad as the colonial slave trade era, but yeah there has been a lot of it. Thankfully we live in a more civilised society now - education is the best way to eradicate such things as racism, and its pretty apparent, at least to me, that it tends to be the uneducated lowlives that resort to it

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                Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:56 PM

                Hmmm...
                I do not think that many people believe that all Muslims are terrorists, but rather that all Muslims feel a lot of resent and hatred towards other religions. (Okay, big difference, I know, but I thought I might point it out.)
                Racism isnot a real issue where I live, but there is a BIG lack of a middle class. Most people are either upper, or lower class where I live, and that spurs a lot of fights at school. (As always, I veer off-topic, in the off-topic forum)
                I am not racist at all, my best friend is black, but I do feel that the racism is taking a U-Turn.

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                  Posted 31 January 2005 - 05:39 PM

                  How can you tell when someone is going to far? With stereo types and racist jokes, even when your friends start making these jokes, you think there playing around but are they really? If they start making fun or your religion or were you come from, where do you draw the line?

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                    Posted 31 January 2005 - 05:40 PM

                    when it begins to hurt you i guess - whenever that happened i just told them to stop and they would. Hence them being friends and such. If they contnue then...well you should probs stop hanging out with them

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                      Posted 31 January 2005 - 05:44 PM

                      Ravenblade, on Jan 31 2005, 06:40 PM, said:

                      when it begins to hurt you i guess - whenever that happened i just told them to stop and they would. Hence them being friends and such. If they contnue then...well you should probs stop hanging out with them

                      I agree with you fully. I just want to state that my friends don't do that. I was just shooting up questions. Racism don't only mean you dislike someone for there color but for there religion or where they come from.

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                        Posted 01 February 2005 - 12:12 AM

                        Serious racism disgust me, but just joking around with friends, nothing serious, having a laugh etc. in my humble opinion is fine. As long as you don't run around with a white hood on, or drop A-Bombs on huge cities.

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                          Posted 01 February 2005 - 10:06 AM

                          Gimli the Great, on Jan 31 2005, 10:48 PM, said:

                          Actually, I believe the biggest time of racism is when Hitler was in power during WWII....he hated Jews, Dark-skinned people, Gypsies, Catholics, all other German Political Parties, and anyone who did not support Nazis. Plus, his soldiers committed many war crimes in concentration camps and abused civilians in the countries that were deafeated & occupied by Nazi Germany.

                          We did that at school and in RE. It soumds horrible, like the death camps. Those tortures....I cant see why somebody should just kill a load of people just because they are different..... I find it horrible

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                            Posted 01 February 2005 - 10:52 AM

                            I have never been discriminated, but my brother have. He've gotten attacked many times. Though, he's doing fine right now. Haven't been any attacks for a long time.

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                              Posted 01 February 2005 - 11:11 AM

                              Thatis just nasty...... even if I dont like someone, I still hate to see them being discriminated....

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                                Posted 01 February 2005 - 12:11 PM

                                We're doing Weimar and Nazi Germany in History. We had to watch an Auschwitz documentary, which was quite hideous. I am amazed at how people are quite misinformed about some of the words. I got called a rude term for a coloured person even though I am just tanned.

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                                  Posted 01 February 2005 - 12:34 PM

                                  We were talking about that to today. I heard something about when some soldiers said:"You're gonna take a shower." Or something like that. And then they killed people. Can't remember it exactly. I was half-sleeping.

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                                    Posted 01 February 2005 - 12:35 PM

                                    I have not discriminated, I hate it when people do...

                                    EDIT: it was, they have to take a shower and they take them to gas showers which kill them.

                                    dont make me say that again :P :wub: :P

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                                      Posted 01 February 2005 - 12:38 PM

                                      That's it. That's just horrible. And this other thing:"You've worked so hard so you'll get to do the easy work." Then they shoot the one they said that to.

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                                        Posted 01 February 2005 - 01:01 PM

                                        Urgh.... I remember both of those...it is just horrible..... I cant see why Nazi's followed hitler

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                                          Posted 04 February 2005 - 05:17 PM

                                          Well, when Hitler was elected Ruler of Germany, Germany was in a huge depression because of a treaty from the end of WWI and the great depression. With those combined, Germany was in extremely poor condition, and they citizens do anything to make it better. And Hitler comes, and he brainwashes alot of people. And then he does bad stuff to many racial groups. So he took advantage of the depression. ;)

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                                            Posted 05 February 2005 - 02:07 PM

                                            I do NOT understand racism.
                                            If you cut open a white and black person, will they look differet? No.
                                            I find they fear the other races because they are IGNORANT of the races. People also hate what the fear. <<

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                                              Posted 05 February 2005 - 03:27 PM

                                              Gimli the Great, on Feb 4 2005, 11:17 PM, said:

                                              Well, when Hitler was elected Ruler of Germany, Germany was in a huge depression because of a treaty from the end of WWI and the great depression. With those combined, Germany was in extremely poor condition, and they citizens do anything to make it better. And Hitler comes, and he brainwashes alot of people. And then he does bad stuff to many racial groups. So he took advantage of the depression. :)

                                              Ah. I see. He brain-washed people? How'd he do that?

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                                                Posted 05 February 2005 - 08:11 PM

                                                I guess there are many ways. Like, telling lies. There are many mores, but I am to tired to think, really.

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                                                  Posted 05 February 2005 - 08:49 PM

                                                  There's one thing I would like to do in life: Take down the KKK. Those three words annoy me every time it's said. I'm black, and I know how it feels to be discriminated against. it just wasn't fair back then.

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                                                    Posted 06 February 2005 - 10:14 AM

                                                    KKK are scary. Hate 'em. I've heard that 2% of the whole USA is in it. I don't know if you can belive that, though.

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                                                      Posted 06 February 2005 - 10:58 AM

                                                      I agree with you there I13, they make my stomach turn cold. They didn't also terrorise african americans, they terrorised Jews, Catholics e.tc

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                                                        Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:09 AM

                                                        The KKK are a problem but there are bigger ones. Racism in politics is the real issue nowadays, cos people get away with it legally. In Britain we have the BNP who are mostly against immigrants - causes a lot of tension between ethnic groups.

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                                                          Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:17 AM

                                                          Yes that's very true. We also have UKIP which are trying to deter us away from the european union and has a former host, who's apparently racist, backing it. But I think it's virtually impossible if the BNP come into power as such so I'm not worried

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                                                            Posted 06 February 2005 - 03:05 PM

                                                            We have also a racism team in politics. They are called "Moderaterna". They have even been caught on camera when they were talking about how to get rid of immigrants. Yet, they say it is false.

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                                                              Posted 06 February 2005 - 09:31 PM

                                                              The KKK are scary when you read about them it's horrible some of the things they did to people.

                                                              Hitler didn't exactly brainwash people, if you read about him. He was a very powerful natural leader and many people were drawn into his regime just by hearing him speak so convincingly. I heard a sound file of him once and it made me shiver to hear how they were all rallying.

                                                              Racism is just wrong I don't see any difference in people like that. I hate it when people say a certain race is lesser or whatever especially since there's so much diversity in the world today. I mean no one's really PURE one thing or another at least in the US. We're a big mix of different things.

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                                                                Posted 07 February 2005 - 12:43 PM

                                                                thats true for Britain aswell - i mean we insult the French and they nsult us, but both of us know that we're the same peoples really, just split b water. Of course the same is true for all people everywhere, but thats even harder for the ignorant to appreciate.

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                                                                  Posted 07 February 2005 - 01:08 PM

                                                                  i think there is fine line between being racist and bieng descrimitory. ravenblade, it think that your are being descrimitory towards the french not racist. iam a racist agaist a certain group of people who will not be mantioned.

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                                                                    Posted 07 February 2005 - 01:10 PM

                                                                    It's true that not many people are 'Pure' this that or the other nowadays, and it's been the same for a very long time. Look at Britain; we were invaded by the Vikings, the French, the Romans, the Saxons and others in history, and many people from those places settled here. We must all have very diverse family trees over here. It's the same for a lot of other countries who have had similar things happen in their histories.

                                                                    And it doesn't even matter that many people have different races in their genetics - we're all the same fundamentally no matter what. There is no excuse for racism. The things that have gone on because of racism are horrific and totally barbaric (e.g. the Slave Trade, the Nazis, KKK).

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                                                                      Posted 08 February 2005 - 12:35 PM

                                                                      Don't even remind me of the Slave Trade. One question about it, though: How long did it go on?

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                                                                        Posted 08 February 2005 - 12:46 PM

                                                                        I'm not sure exactly, but the west was colonising Africa in the late 17th and early 18th centuries (i think). I think Britain abolished it in the early 19th Century so somewhere in the region of 100 years for us, although other people may have taken longer.

                                                                        And as an aside, i did not say that "I" was one of the people who "discriminates" against the French (just to clear that up), but i would dispute the statement that there is a difference between racism and discrimination. Surely racism falls under discrimination?

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                                                                          Posted 08 February 2005 - 12:52 PM

                                                                          I guess so. That's quite long. I wonder how you can have people as slaves. And it was all because they came from another country and looked different.

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                                                                            Posted 08 February 2005 - 03:01 PM

                                                                            Slavery...now thats just cruel....this shows that some people are TOO lazy to take care of themselves. :o :lol:

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                                                                              Posted 08 February 2005 - 05:13 PM

                                                                              Sometimes I just think that people will push others like this around just to make oneself feel important. It's like this alot with kids, but people seem to forget that even adults can be immature and dumb like this.

                                                                              Slavery makes no sense to me. It was mentioned in the constitution men (and women, too) were created equal. If I'm correct it said so in the Bible too. (even though I'm not religious)

                                                                              Well, wtf is up with that? Slavery? >.>

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                                                                                Posted 08 February 2005 - 10:07 PM

                                                                                ^agreed. Almost exactly what I am thinking. You can't call someone "inferior" if everyone is created equal.

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                                                                                  Posted 09 February 2005 - 12:58 PM

                                                                                  a lot of racism that i see, doesnt seem to be cos people are inferior actually. It's more about people coming into the country and taking jobs, taxpayers money etc. Not as many people would care otherwise. The are also cultural contextx such as wars and such to take into account.

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                                                                                    Posted 09 February 2005 - 05:15 PM

                                                                                    Well, also because some Religions believe that another' Religion[2]'s ways are prohibited in their Religion[1], but they believe in different things, so there really isn't a problem with that, but the Religion[1] won't mind their OWN business,


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