[Nick Presta]

Here is a copy of my RNG guide.

EDIT - UPDATES:

October 8th, 2004
-Included weapon(unleash) RN Values.
-Fixed a few errors, fixed intro, fixed credits.
::Version 0.7::

October 9th, 2004
-Included another weapon(unleash) RN Value.
::Version 0.71::

January 2nd, 2005
-Added another weapon(unleash) RN value. Thanks CobraGT.
::Version 1.71::

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[MysticWarrior]

Hmm... This should be pinned to avoid any misunderstanding of RNG stuff, and everyone should talk about RNG here. Anyways, if Julian or Max doesn't want it pinned they can always unpin it.

[Eugine]

I think this should stay pinned so everyone can post their RNG and max can add em to the site if the user allows.

[MysticWarrior]

No, your RNG thingy isn't busted. You just uncovered an RNG method. Just change the psynergy and you'll get something else.

[MysticWarrior]

Then you made up your own RNG method, hold up your head and be proud! :wacko:

[Nick Presta]

The reason is the item ICC.

The item is a ICC level 4

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ICC 4 - 1, 3, 6, 8, 13, 14, 16, 21, 23, 26, 27, 30, 31 (All Misc. items fall
into this category (That's WoL, Psy Crystal, Herb, Nut, etc.))

You didn't have to use a djinn to finish off the enemy because it doesn't matter if the ICC drops 2. It's the lowest already.

This goes for other ICC 4 items as well.

[Dullahan]

I used a different stratagey and ended up with every item in the game.

Set golden sun 2 characters to elemental Djinn, so characters are like this

Felix=Slayer
Jenna=Justice
Sheba=Magister
Piers=Admiral

Find out weakness of enemy(e.g. fire for Cruel Dragon)

Set agility so person who uses the strong element attacks third, in the case of Cruel Dragon, it is Jenna. Make Torch or Scorch is set to Jenna. Have Felix and Sheba first and second in agility order and Piers last (Safety and turtle boots are very useful!). Try to give give Piers a multi hit howl weapon like Masamune.

When preparations are complete go to area where monster can be found and save the game, then switch the gba on and off using the ON/OFF SWITCH AND NOT THE QUICK RESET!

Load Game and get a fight, hopefully in this case a Cruel Dragon and another enemy, if not turn on and off and try again.

Now how to do it;

Fight!
Cruel Dragon and Cruel Dragon2/Druj/Wonder Bird appeared!
Felix's party strikes first!
Felix casts a multi area psyenergy like Earthquake
Sheba casts a multi area psyenergy like Shine Plasma
Jenna Casts a multi area psyenergy like Beam
Piers casts a multi area psyenergy like Tundra
End of turn 1
Start of turn 2
Felix casts a multi area psyenergy like Earthquake
Sheba casta a multi area psyenergy like Shine Plasma
Jenna unleashes Torch on the Cruel Dragon
Cruel Dragon flashes different colours
You felled Cruel Dragon!
Piers attacks remaining enemy and unleashes a 2 hit Rising Dragon
You felled Cruel Dragon2/Druj/Woder Bird!
You got a Tisiphone Edge!

This works everytime for and the two hit rising dragon or full hit vengeance seems to indicate whether it has been sucessful or not.

NOTE: the example spells are the ones i actually use and Chimers Worms are not mentioned as they die far too easily.

[Nick Presta]

Your method is a sound model and is the way RNG Methods used to be pulled off. Here is how the RNs are counted.

Nick's RNG Guide said:

Here is a typical battle for a Tisiphone Edge:

Battle Start (1)

Isaac: Multi Area Psynergy (5)
Garet: Multi Area Psynergy (9)
Ivan: Multi Area Psynergy (13)
Mia: Multi Area Psynergy (17)

Turn 2 (19) (Two enemies remaining)

Isaac: Multi Area Psynergy (23)
Garet: Multi Area Psynergy (27)
Ivan: Unleash Offensive Jupiter Djinn (30)
Cruel Dragon Dies (31)
Mia: Multi Area Psynergy to finish off other monster

That is how a typical Tisiphone Edge RNG Method looks. You can use it for a
variety of different enemies. Remember to refer to the ICC chart for your enemy.

[Primal]

That must have taken a LOT of time to make Nick, where did you find the time to figure all that out?

[Nick Presta]

Terence, a programmer, who has hacked various games from the Mana Series, to FF, to GS, hacked the values.

Then, a group of people, myself included created RNG research.

It was quite simply once you learned how everything worked.

[Sky Dragon]

seriously, if u want to know how to use the RNG, go to gamefaqs.com and they have a whole walkthrough on it

[Nick Presta]

I am from gamefaqs and I helped with the RNG faq there. My faq is just as good as Link Kirby's RNG faq. His has more strats. and goes in depth sightly more than mine. Other than that, it's almost the same.

[Sky Dragon]

wow, that's pretty cool, how long did it take you do type the faq? I've always wanted to ask them that :D

[Nick Presta]

I didn't actually type the faq. LK did. I helped with testing and found out info (1 and 3 enemy RNG methods for example)

[Kewne]

does someone understand a thing of this rng? why dont you just check the rng guide at gs anonymous if you want to get the rare items.

[Nick Presta]

I hate posting in a topic if I have nothing new to bring but please,

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does someone understand a thing of this rng? why dont you just check the rng guide at gs anonymous if you want to get the rare items.

I have already said that this faq and LK's faq (at gamefaqs.com) are the most up to date and accurate faqs available. The RNG faq at GSA (written by Andross IIRC) has some of my information in it (1/3 enemy RNGs, etc) but this faq is one of the most complete faqs with the most compiled information.

[dcgames]

Ok, I hope it's ok to post here (I felt a little chopped off in my first post). If not just tell me. Thanks.

Nick, I have tried using your RNG method in the long hallway at Islet Cave. I have Isaac, Garet, Ivan, and Mia. Each is at Level 99.

The problem I'm noticing is that they don't always go in the same order. Sometimes Ivan will go second, or Mia, or even Garet. It seems to alternate back and forth. Also, even though I turn my GBA off then back on, often the Cruel Dragon and the other enemy will attack me after all four of my characters have attacked them in the first round.

Sometimes I try using psynergy that doesn't kill the monsters before I finish the 2 rounds mentioned in your guide, but this doesn't always work. Quite often, even though I pick small time PS (like Gaia or Earthquake) one monster will still get wiped before the end of round two.

Is there somewhere where I can get the RNG numbers for the different psynergies? Maybe that's where my problem is.

Anyway, if you could offer any advice on this I sure would appreciate it. Thanks.

- dc

[Nick Presta]

Ok. I can help with ALL your problem.

The order thing is dependant on agility. Check your character's agility in teh status screen. Higher agility means they will attack first. If characters are within 3AGL of each other, they will be randomly decided. To fix this equip things like "Running Shirt, Quick Boots, etc) to increase the speed of one or more characters.

Second, I usually use level 1 or 2 psynergy but if you're facing a Chimera Worm and Cruel Dragon, you WILL kill the CW before the 31st RN. To fix this, try this:

Isaac: Multi Area Psynergy (5) 
Garet: Multi Area Psynergy (9) 
Ivan: Multi Area Psynergy (13) 
Chimera Worm dies (14)
Mia: Multi Area Psynergy (18) 

Turn 2 (19) (Two enemies remaining) 

Isaac: Multi Area Stat Boosting Psynergy (24) 
Garet: Multi Area Stat Boosting Psynergy (27) 
Ivan: Unleash Offensive Fire Djinn (30) 
Cruel Dragon Dies (31) 
Mia: Battle Done

Whenever an enemy dies, they consume 1 RN. To combat this, you need to use multi-area (whole party) stat boosting psynergy. This will keep the RN count back at 4 per character.

This should work perfectly.

[MysticWarrior]

RNG methods are much more lenient than people think it is. You don't have to have your party in that specific order, nor does Ivan have to be the one that unleashes the djinni.

Turn 2 (19) (Two enemies remaining)

Isaac: Multi Area Stat Boosting Psynergy (24)
Garet: Multi Area Stat Boosting Psynergy (27)
Ivan: Unleash Offensive Fire Djinn (30)
Cruel Dragon Dies (31)
Mia: Battle Done

When it means this, it just means the third person attack must use an offensive djinni, not Ivan. So basically, you don't need to balance your agility at all. You just need to give the offensive mars djinni to the third attacking person.

[Nick Presta]

^ That is correct. I just use those characters as examples.

And as long as you know how to count RNs, you can create methods for 1, 2, and 3 enemy parties.

It's quite easy once you learn.

[dcgames]

Thanks. I believe the Running Shirt and the Quick Boots can only be had at the slots game in Contigo (?). What can I do instead, since I have no more game tickets (I spent them all getting other items).

Also, so far the best I can get for Agility is this:

Isaac: 999
Garet: 603
Ivan: 720
Mia: 498

I've been trying to mix and match different clothes to get Garet above Ivan so he will go second and Ivan third (for the RNG), but so far this is the best I have gotten.

As for the agility boosting clothes Isaac has Elven Shirt and Quick Boots. Garet has Quick Boots and a Running Shirt. Ivan has no agility boosting clothes (as far as I can tell). I even gave Ivan Leather Boots, but he still remains above Garet in speed.

Any suggestions? Thanks.

[Nick Presta]

Try changing classes. Ivan is naturally fast. Make him a class that doesn't have a high agility increase.

It doesn't matter what order they are in. As long as they perform the specific action.

[dcgames]

Ok, that worked. Changing Ivan's class did it. Now he goes third. I'm starting to get the hang of this RNG thing. I've found that you have to be careful what Psynergy you use, because each enemy has different stats. An RNG that works, for say, Sky Dragons, might wipe out a Soul Army, before the final blow.

So now I'm experiemnting with what Psynergies work with what enemies. Is there a psynergy guide somewhere that lets me know what levels these different psynergies are?

For instance, I can now get Sky Dragons to drop the Orihalcon almost every time with this method (when they are paired with each other or with a Bombander):

Round One:

Isaac - Punji Trap
Garet - Rockslide
Ivan - Shine Plasma
Mia - Shine Plasma

Round Two

Isaac - (same)
Garet - (same)
Ivan - Unleashes Whorl (Jupiter)
Mia - (same)

I tried this same method with Mad Demon/Bombander, and the only way it works is if I use a slightly larger Psynergy for the 8th turn (Mia's). This method doesn't work at all for Soul Army, which must have lower stats than Sky Dragons or Mad Demons. Still working on that one ....

This is quite fun. Thanks.

[eternaldeath09]

Nick i tried ur method for getting the T Egde but i cant seem to fall Cruel Dargon within the first turn.......

would it matter towards the RNG if i use stronger psynergy?
my guys are at lvl 43- 45 and im preparing to fite doom dragon

thnx in advance

[Nick Presta]

You aren't supposed to defeat him within the first turn. You're supposed to wait until the second. Not that it truly matters, and no, different variations of the same psynergy won't effect the RN count.

[eternaldeath09]

whoops i meant second turn but you could take him down the first turn?
oh and another question who should i aim the big arrow over?

[Nick Presta]

Yes, you could take him down in the first turn. Like so:

Battle start (1)
Isaac: Multi-area Psynergy (5)
Garet: Multi-area Psynergy (9)
Mia: Multi-area Psynergy (13)
Ivan: Multi-area Psynergy (17)
<Druj Dies (+1RN) (18)>

Next Turn (19)

Isaac: Multi-Area Psynergy (23)
Garet: Multi-Area Psynergy (27)
Mia: Djinn Unleash (30)
<Cruel Dragon Dies (+1 RN) (31)>

Battle End: Receive Item

That is how it would look had you taken down the enemy within the first turn.

And I usually aim the bigger arrow over the enemy with higher HP although it really doesn't make a difference in an RNG method.

[eternaldeath09]

so out of all the monsters in islet cave who has highest hp?
cruel dragon, druj, wonder bird, or chimera worm?
also does that method work for any combo of enemies that has cruel dargon or what?

[Nick Presta]

IIRC, Cruel Dragon/Druj have almost equal HP, followed by WB, followed by CW.

And if you're looking for the Tisiphone Edge, any combination of monsters will work with the Cruel Dragon except for Wonderbird. You have to add 3 RNs for it (After first turn) since it takes 3 turns.

[Nick Presta]

I would just like to make an announcement that I updated the RNG guide and it can now be downloaded in .txt format.

Most up to date guide on the web.

[TobiasMar]

Sorry to revive, but your RNG guide doesn't help me with getting the Triton's Ward! :P However...I saved it on my computer anyway because I think it'll prove useful in the near future.

[Nick Presta]

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| Sample RNG Method - 06 |
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Here is a typical battle for a Tisiphone Edge:

Battle Start (1)

Isaac: Multi Area Psynergy (5)
Garet: Multi Area Psynergy (9)
Ivan: Multi Area Psynergy (13)
Mia: Multi Area Psynergy (17)

Turn 2 (19) (Two enemies remaining)

Isaac: Multi Area Psynergy (23)
Garet: Multi Area Psynergy (27)
Ivan: Unleash Offensive Jupiter Djinn (30)
Cruel Dragon Dies (31)
Mia: Multi Area Psynergy to finish off other monster

That is how a typical Tisiphone Edge RNG Method looks. You can use it for a
variety of different enemies. Remember to refer to the ICC chart for your enemy.

There is my sample RNG method. Let's apply it to your Trition's Ward.

Triton's Ward | Ocean Dragon | Treasure Isle | Mars

There is the information you need.

Apply it!


Character 1: Multi Area Psynergy (5)
Character 2: Multi Area Psynergy (9)
Character 3: Multi Area Psynergy (13)
Character 4: Multi Area Psynergy (17)

Turn 2 (19) (Two enemies remaining)

C1: Multi Area Psynergy (23)
C2: Multi Area Psynergy (27)
C3: Unleash Offensive Mars Djinn (30)
Ocean Dragon Dies (31)
C4: Multi Area Psynergy to finish off other monster



You now have the Triton's Ward.

See how my guide works?

[TobiasMar]

nick1presta, on Nov 10 2004, 05:45 PM, said:

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| Sample RNG Method - 06 |
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Here is a typical battle for a Tisiphone Edge:

Battle Start (1)

Isaac: Multi Area Psynergy (5)
Garet: Multi Area Psynergy (9)
Ivan: Multi Area Psynergy (13)
Mia: Multi Area Psynergy (17)

Turn 2 (19) (Two enemies remaining)

Isaac: Multi Area Psynergy (23)
Garet: Multi Area Psynergy (27)
Ivan: Unleash Offensive Jupiter Djinn (30)
Cruel Dragon Dies (31)
Mia: Multi Area Psynergy to finish off other monster

That is how a typical Tisiphone Edge RNG Method looks. You can use it for a
variety of different enemies. Remember to refer to the ICC chart for your enemy.

There is my sample RNG method.  Let's apply it to your Trition's Ward.

Triton's Ward | Ocean Dragon | Treasure Isle | Mars

There is the information you need.

Apply it!


Character 1: Multi Area Psynergy (5)
Character 2: Multi Area Psynergy (9)
Character 3: Multi Area Psynergy (13)
Character 4: Multi Area Psynergy (17)

Turn 2 (19) (Two enemies remaining)

C1: Multi Area Psynergy (23)
C2: Multi Area Psynergy (27)
C3: Unleash Offensive Mars Djinn (30)
Ocean Dragon Dies (31)
C4: Multi Area Psynergy to finish off other monster



You now have the Triton's Ward.

See how my guide works?

Err....I already knew about the ocean dragon's weakness....and I'm ganna try your strategy. Btw- My party's Felix, Jenna, Ivan, and Piers. And what are the numbers for? Regardless, I'll try to play with the weak psyenergy (quake, flare, whirwing, frost) and see if thats what you mean.

[kandy man]

cool ! nick you rule !!!!

i never knew any of this stuff till now !
but i already got these items by battling randomly.
anyway thanks a lot ! :angry:

[Ivan is my name]

Hehe.... I was trying to get a Glory helm off an aka mana in the mars lighthouse, but I eneded up getting clothos' distaff..... it was really lucky!!! On my other settings ( That is now complete) it got the riot gloves, but I cant seem to do that. I do this
Felix: Earthquake
Jenna: Beam
Sheba: Plasma
Piers: Tundra
2nd turn
Felix:Quake
Jenna: Beam
Sheba: Whorl on minos warrior
Piers: Attack other enemy
These are the problems
- The Minos warrior doesnt die on the djinn
- The second enemy dies before the djinn is used
- The enemy attacks before round 2
Does anyone have an accurate RNG for it? I manged to make rngs for...
- Clothos' distaff
- Tisiphone edge
- Lachesis' rule
- Atropos rod
- Mithril silver
- Orichalon
- Rising mace

I am proud of my mithril silver one. It really works!! Try this...
Felix as slayer
Jenna as justice
Sheba as magician
Piers as Admiral
Save in Yampi desert cave. Hard reset.
Run into battle
Soul army and soul army/sand scorpion/ Winged lizard/Flame dragon/ Minos knight appeared!!
All attacks at soul army
Felix: Quake
Jenna: Cycle beam
Sheba: Whirlwind
Piers: Tundra

enemies dont attack, turn 2

Felix: Quake
Jenna: Beam
Sheba: Whorl/ Gale on soul army. It flashes yellow and dies
Piers: Attacks other enemy. It dies or go into round 3 and just attack it until it dies.
You got some mithril silver!! This method works every time, really!!
I still need help with riot gloves though!!! Can somebody help?!?!?!?!

[Nick Presta]

Ivan, thank you for posting in this topic:

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Felix: Earthquake
Jenna: Beam
Sheba: Plasma
Piers: Tundra
2nd turn
Felix:Quake
Jenna: Beam
Sheba: Whorl on minos warrior
Piers: Attack other enemy
These are the problems
- The Minos warrior doesnt die on the djinn
- The second enemy dies before the djinn is used
- The enemy attacks before round 2

There is one thing wrong with that: The enemy attacks before round two. Which means you didn't do a hard reset which is the only problem I can see with your attacks.

And with the enemy dying before the other kill and with the right enemy not dying on the djinn, do this:

Battle Start (1)
Felix: Earthquake (5)
Jenna: Beam (9)
Sheba: Plasma (13)
enemy dies (14)
Piers: Tundra (18)

2nd turn (one enemy alive) (19)
Felix:Quake (21)
Jenna: Beam (23)
Sheba: Whorl on minos warrior (26)
MW dies (27)
Piers: Attack other enemy (who cares)

That should work out fine.

As for the MW not dying, increase the level of psynergy. Use Quakesphere instead of EQ, etc.

And as much as I like people contributing their own RNG methods, it's much easier and safer for them to just read the guide and make their own. It's very easy.

[Ivan is my name]

Thanks nick :o !! That worked!!! I also have a reeeeeeeeeally accurate RNG for Lachesis rule.
. First, you want your'e party agility to be
Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers.
Everyone is lvl 45. Put some Djinn on standby so jenna is a fire master, felix slayer, sheba magician( must have gale set) and Piers Admiral. That should give you the right agility. Piers also has excalibur ( forged from orichalon). Save inside the anemos inner sanctum and do a hard reset. Walk in to battle.
Mad demon and bombander apeared!

turn 1

Felix uses Mother Gaia
Jenna uses Searing beam
Sheba uses shine plasma
Piers uses Glacier

enemies dont attack, turn 2

Felix uses earthquake
jenna uses beam
Sheba unleashes gale on mad demon. Mad demon dies.
Piers attacks bombander. Excalibur unleashes Legend. Bombander dies.

You felled mad demons party. You got the Lachesis' rule!!

Nick said:

And as much as I like people contributing their own RNG methods, it's much easier and safer for them to just read the guide and make their own. It's very easy.

You don't need to post RNG methods, the FAQ tells you how to make them.-Nick

[ajbcool]

There's an RNG on Gamefaqs by LinkKirby, it's really good.

[Sea of Time]

I'm was very confused when I first read this RNG guide, but I think I'm getting it. Let me just see if what I think you're saying is right:

Here is how I can get any item in the game:

Character 1: Multi Area Psynergy (5)
Character 2: Multi Area Psynergy (9)
Character 3: Multi Area Psynergy (13)
Character 4: Multi Area Psynergy (17)

Turn 2 (19) (Two enemies remaining)

C1: Multi Area Psynergy (23)
C2: Multi Area Psynergy (27)
C3: Unleash Offensive (Djinn that matches monster's weakness) (30)
Item Bearing Monster Dies (31)
C4: Multi Area Psynergy to finish off other monster

Can I use this method to get any item guaranteed? Or do I have to modify it depending on the item.

[Nick Presta]

Any item, 100%. Make sure the battle follows that exactly. Anything else will add RNs and mess up the RNG Method.

[Split Infinity]

Hold on, what does RNG actually stand for? I'm guessing it means Random Number Generator?

[Sea of Time]

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Any item, 100%. Make sure the battle follows that exactly. Anything else will add RNs and mess up the RNG Method.

I've run into a bit of a problem with only one enemy. I have to get a bunch of Mythril Silvers and Soul Armies only show up alone or in threes. It's rare that they come with someone else.

Even when my RNG adds up to 31, when there is only one Soul Army, it won't drop anything!

Here is what I do (in a nutshell)

Fight Starts (1)

Jenna: Aura (9)
Felix: Flower (13)
Ivan: High Impact (17)
Mia: Wish (25)

Second Turn (27)

Jenna: Ward (28)
Felix: Cure (29)
Ivan: Gust (31)

Soul Army is felled.

Is there anything wrong with that?

[Nick Presta]

Your second turn says you have 27 RN when you only have 26. You add 1 RN per enemy alive so if there is only one enemy, you only add one RN.

[Sea of Time]

Okay. Turns out it doesn't matter because I got all the weapons I need. Thanks a lot, nick.

[golden tla owner]

MysticWarrior, on Aug 29 2004, 03:30 PM, said:

RNG methods are much more lenient than people think it is. You don't have to have your party in that specific order, nor does Ivan have to be the one that unleashes the djinni.

Turn 2 (19) (Two enemies remaining)

Isaac: Multi Area Stat Boosting Psynergy (24)
Garet: Multi Area Stat Boosting Psynergy (27)
Ivan: Unleash Offensive Fire Djinn (30)
Cruel Dragon Dies (31)
Mia: Battle Done

When it means this, it just means the third person attack must use an offensive djinni, not Ivan. So basically, you don't need to balance your agility at all. You just need to give the offensive mars djinni to the third attacking person.

have you thought that giving a mars djinn
may change their class to something with completly different
agility?

[Ironsight]

Have you thought that this discussion might have ended LAST YEAR? Stop bumping these old topics, its against the rules!

[golden tla owner]

i was experimenting with different ways , trying to get the atropos rod , then i used this method and it worked.
ok here's how it goes

round one (must be single fire dragon)

sheba goes first , casting storm ray
jenna 2nd using debilitate
felix next with stone spire
piers last with glacier

end of turn - fire dragon must atk

sheba - destruct ray
jenna debilitate
felix stone spire
piers -serac

2/3 trimes this will work , theroatically it shouldn't but it does and will generally