[TobiasMar]

Well, I know theres a web browser thread, but there isnt one about if you like Opera or Firefox, so I made this.

Anyway, I used to like Firefox. That is, until I found out about Opera and tried it. I love it! Its built-in e-mail thingy is real conveniant (especially for Gmail), I prefer it over even Mozilla Thunderbird! And, it had much faster loading speed and very cool skins you cant get with Firefox. Exept, you cant get extensions for Opera, but its worth it!

[Nobody]

Opera. It has similar security, better speed, and better skins.

[lifeform287]

I like Opera but, for some reason I like Firefox better. I have NO idea why but, then again...stranger things have happened. :)

[Mallick]

Actually, there is a topic on whether you like FireFox or Opera.

...It's the Web Browser topic. Just see which got more votes than the other.

[Kubjelle]

I like Opera best! : o
Firefox has just a little bit better rendering in CSS, closely followed by Opera. But Opera loads a site faster then Firefox.. So they are pretty even. But I'm going for Opera because it is Norwegian..

[TobiasMar]

Piers diamondberg master, on Apr 7 2005, 09:36 PM, said:

Actually, there is a topic on whether you like FireFox or Opera.

...It's the Web Browser topic. Just see which got more votes than the other.

No, I meant a topic about Firefox and Opera ONLY. (I just want to see how many people like Firefox better than Opera or vice versa without the extra Internet Browser options)

[Nick Presta]

Some extensions from Firefox are built into Opera (Ad Block, Dictionary Seearch, PageRank, Tabbed Browsing, Target Alert, UserAgent Switching)

There are extensions for Opera:

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/
http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/01/ope...efox-extensions (This is the best page. Check user comments are bottom for links)

[Doom Fox]

Firefox is better than opera, most people like Opera because of the features, but Firefox is safer and userfriendly. But that's my opinion, I like Firefox better.

[Nobody]

Uh, are you sure? From what I've heard, Opera's only VERY slightly less secure, kinda like Maxthon. It's worth that small bit for nearly twice the speed.

[Nick Presta]

Before you say that it is nearly twice the speed or that it isn't any faster, here are some facts:

http://www.howtocrea...owserSpeed.html

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Ok, ok. Firefox and Mozilla are clearly optimised for Linux, and Opera is clearly optimised for Windows. These optimisations are mostly obvious with the loading times, although there is also a little difference in the cache handling on the different operating systems. However, Opera seems to perform admirably well on most tasks, on any platform. When it comes to page rendering (tables, CSS or images), most of the major browsers perform very fast, with very little to distinguish between them. When it comes to scripts, Opera clearly holds its head above the others, nearly twice as fast as the others. The only one that comes close is Safari 2.0, but that is tied to the Tiger release of Mac OS (currently in preview).

Opera also is a clear winner using history. In fact, on Linux it is faster than Mozilla and Firefox for all except starting time. On Mac and Windows, Opera is faster than Mozilla and Firefox for all tasks. Surprisingly, Mozilla is now faster at most tasks than Firefox (please don't send me any more emails about this line, I am well aware of why it is faster). Internet Explorer on Windows was either as fast as - or faster than Mozilla and Firefox for most tasks, with the exception of scripts, where it took over twice as long. Of course, its poor standards and security clearly make it a much less attractive prospect. The Moox Firefox install is actually slower than the standard Firefox versions distributed from Mozilla.org, even though it is supposedly optimised for my particular processor. The Mac optimised version is a bit better, but trades performance in one area for performance in another, making little or no difference overall. The performance of K-Meleon and Epiphany was similar to the performance of Mozilla and Firefox on the same platform. The new Netscape Browser preview (based on Firefox) was clearly suffering from bloat caused by the AOL add-ons.

[Nobody]

The tile and and scaling features on Opera (which I forgot to mention) are also pretty good. I have a screenshot of 2 pages tiled:
http://img18.echo.cx/img18/435/operascaleandtile5al.th.jpg

NOTE: Both tiled pages displayed in the image above were scaled at 90% so that I wouldn't have to scroll as much while keeping small text legible.

[Gardna]

^ That's only one reason why Opera rules. Mozilla is weird and slow.

[Nobody]

Um, the other option is Frefox, not Mozilla...
Firefox=About average speed. Opera is just a fast browser. The free versions display ads, but that doesn't bother me, as I have a high enough screen resolution for them to literally not get in the way of anything.

[Ravenblade]

I prefer Mozilla personally although i concede that it is a little slow compared to the other browsers available. I dont have a great amount of experience with opera mind so maybe thats why i lean towards mozilla.

[TobiasMar]

Well, you can always look at the Opera help files, Raven

[Elliott]

Firefox fan right here.
Cleaner, smoother, faster, more safe,easily updated, tons of extensions and themes, perfect partner for thunderbird.
Opera is clunky, and has ads! How many friggin web browsers have ads for god's sake?
I used to use opera also (I've tried all PC browsers save Maxthon, no intention of it either), but got sick of the lack of user friendly features. Firefox is just a safer fast better web browser.

[lifeform287]

Agatio, on Apr 16 2005, 10:39 PM, said:

Opera is clunky, and has ads! How many friggin web browsers have ads for god's sake?

Internet Explorer. As soon as I found Firefox, Internet Explorer was even deleted out of my Recycle Bin. Anywho. I voted for Firefox.

[Elliott]

http://news.devianta.../article/17383/
That's what you need to know about Firefox.

[Nobody]

Agatio, on Apr 17 2005, 12:39 AM, said:

Firefox fan right here.
Cleaner, smoother, faster, more safe,easily updated, tons of extensions and themes, perfect partner for thunderbird.
Opera is clunky, and has ads! How many friggin web browsers have ads for god's sake?
I used to use opera also (I've tried all PC browsers save Maxthon, no intention of it either), but got sick of the lack of user friendly features. Firefox is just a safer fast better web browser.

wrong. Opera is far faster than Firefox. I don't know how you reached that conclusion...
And the ads don't bother me at all; probably 'cause of my high screen resolution.
And you dont have to restart Opera to switch skins. You have to restart Firefox to use skins.

[lifeform287]

Nobody, on Apr 17 2005, 03:35 PM, said:

And the ads don't bother me at all; probably 'cause of my high screen resolution.

Probably. I just find Firefox is easier then Opera for me. I don't know why but I feel more comfortable with Firefox.

[Elliott]

http://www.howtocrea...owserSpeed.html
The Facts
Firefox is faster at something, Opera at others.
Overall Mozilla whoops its butt though.

[Crimson Barrel Knight]

If I'm following you closely, you're a tough clutch of needles to sic Firefox on Opera, and then all of the sudden, Opera loses. Opinions are opinions, dude. There's probably no better/best web browser. It's either choose or die, since they've got all their advantages and weaknesses.

Of course, we can always still rule out IE, since it's total crap.

[lifeform287]

Crimson Barrel Knight, on Apr 17 2005, 07:59 PM, said:

Of course, we can always still rule out IE, since it's total crap.

Here here. Amen to that. Oh ya. Etcetera.

IE was even deleted out of my Recycle Bin. And I only do that to programs that REEK or I dislike with a passion.

Since this is a conversation with both FF and O I think I can clearly say....
Firefox & Opera PWN IE.

[Crimson Barrel Knight]

Amen to that. Opera doesn't own Firefox, and Firefox doesn't own Opera. Spread the word.

[lifeform287]

I will. I will.
No that was a and sign NOT a Firefox > Opera sign.

Oh and a side note.CBK, go here and help.

[Elliott]

I just find Firefox to be smoother, cleaner, easier to use browser. Regardless of speed (which is probably on .0005 of a second slower in some areas). It's all opinion (as usual).

[Kubjelle]

Agatio, on Apr 17 2005, 10:50 PM, said:

http://www.howtocrea...owserSpeed.html
The Facts
Firefox is faster at something, Opera at others.
Overall Mozilla whoops its butt though.

OMFG!
Have you read it?

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So overall, Opera seems to be the fastest browser for windows. Firefox is not faster than Internet Explorer, except for scripting, but for standards support, security and features, it is a better choice. However, it is still not as fast as Opera, and Opera also offers a high level of standards support, security and features.

Opera beats FireFox, FireFox don't beat IE. The only reason IE is slow is because of spyware.

It seems like you've not read the test. And it's not the fact, it is a test.

[Elliott]

I had a quick look at the stats.
In the end though, Opera is probably only faster by 0.005 second anyway, so who gives a ****?

[Crimson Barrel Knight]

Now now, we don't need any of that vulgar language here. :P

And how do you know it's just the spyware on IE? There could be many other possibilities as to why it's only worthy for the Recycle Bin. Think about it for a while.

[Nobody]

Actually, Agatio, there are some pages that IE that loads faster than Firefox. But that's most because of script errors, then again.
And the difference is not 0.005 seconds. According to that site, It takes nearly twice the time to load pages (comparing Opera 8.0 Beeta to Firefox 1.0 for windows.
Also, I recently uninstalled Firefox (not that firefox is crao or anything) because what Opera can't do that Firefox can, Maxthon (which is like firefox except it doesn't "look" as good) can also do it. The biggest reason is that IE can do (the good things, like certain videos aren't supprted with Opera and Firefox for example) that Firefox and Opera can't do, Maxthon also can do that (excluding Windows Updates). It isn't much slower than Firefox, and I don't use it much.
In other words, Opera>>>Maxthon>Firefox>>>>>>>>>IE
(in my opnion)

Also, for you guys who installed IE: That is not exactly a good idea; you can't use Windows Updates without IE. That's all I use it for though.

[Elliott]

*Uninstalled

And Maxthon is more like IE than Firefox, but with more saftey, tabbed browsing etc.

Regarding speed, I have ADSL 100mbps, and a 3.2 gigahertz AMD processor, so I don't think I would notice **** XD .

As for everything owning IE, WHO CARES, EVERYONE KNOWS NOW, GET OVER IT

[Kubjelle]

Agatio.. :P
You gave wrong information, and that is not good. And you are completly wrong. In script rendering Opera is superior to FF, it is better in everything else to.

[Elliott]

Agatio, on Apr 19 2005, 04:06 PM, said:

*Uninstalled

And Maxthon is more like IE than Firefox, but with more saftey, tabbed browsing etc.

Regarding speed, I have ADSL 100mbps, and a 3.2 gigahertz AMD processor, so I don't think I would notice **** XD .

As for everything owning IE, WHO CARES, EVERYONE KNOWS NOW, GET OVER IT

Please re-read this.

[Kubjelle]

Agatio, on Apr 18 2005, 09:51 PM, said:

I had a quick look at the stats.
In the end though, Opera is probably only faster by 0.005 second anyway, so who gives a ****?

I was actually refering to this, to give wrong information is not good. It is if your teacher teached you wrong.

[Elliott]

I posted that before some other crap happened. Anyway, my bad, but I don't edit posts to make myself look right >_> .
Anyway, I still use firefox by choice, and don't have opera on my machine.
I used to use, but didn't like the adds, larger buttons, and overall clunky feel to it. Regardless of how many seconds slower Firefox may be at rendering certain aspects of web pages, I stick by it as a better browser.

[Roumaru]

Of those two I prefer Mozilla Firefox.
I recently uninstalled Opera, as I didn't find it as good anymore.
Opera was kinda taking up too much space on the screen. Not that it did make a very big difference but enought to be a little bit annoying.
And a lot of websites are bugged with Opera.
But on the other hand it might be the same thing with mozilla.

[Kite]

:xxxxxxxx
Firefox pwns opera in my opinion~ Dont quote me and say 'zomg y0r fact0rz r freakin wr000ng!!!' Cuz I tried both and overall I prefer FireFox. The huge ad bugs me. In 1200x1760 res it dosent. But I dont like that high res.

[Rufus]

Firefox is the best it has modifactions awsome skins and its better than that *** IE

[lifeform287]

Rufus, on Apr 21 2005, 09:32 AM, said:

Firefox is the best it has modifactions awsome skins and its better than that *** IE

How true that is.

Lol. I had to do something about browsers at school. I found this post.
It said: IE: Fix 2 bugs, add 3 more bugs, change name by 1.0, repeat every 5 years wether needed or not.

I find this funny and true.

[Elliott]

Good to see Firefox is winning :) .
Opera is for people who are smart enough not to use IE.
Firefox is for people smarter than that o.o .

[Nobody]

Meh, something wierd happened with Opera on my mom's computer. It made it so that all URL typed in the address bar opened with firefox. It was quite wierd, and adjusting the preferences didn't work either. Wierd, eh?
Anyway, it may have to do with the fact that the Opera version on my mom's computer was the Beta for 8.0.

[Papercut]

I've tried almost every major browser out there, and here's what I found:

Opera - has ads? WTF is that
Firefox - It's like Netscape, but looks ****tier (and I don't like using skins).
IE - boring
Netscape - the best

I've been using Netscape since possibly 1999 and I've seen it change over the years. It now offers an e-mail program (not a web-based sorry excuse for e-mail) that looks similar to Outlook but guess what, it's free.

Netscape has almost everything Firefox has without pissing all over your face when you go to certain websites.

[Elliott]

What do you mean by pissing all over your face?
The reason it HAS skins is to make it look the way you want it too.
And this is to do with Opera and Firefox, not netscape ^_^ .

[Excalibur's Power]

Firefox. Faster, and more safe.

[Papercut]

Agatio, on Apr 23 2005, 02:13 PM, said:

What do you mean by pissing all over your face?
The reason it HAS skins is to make it look the way you want it too.
And this is to do with Opera and Firefox, not netscape :) .

^_^ Fine, if Netscape is not included (buggers), it goes: Firefox > Opera

The pissing thing comes from Firefox not being able to handle several of the sites I like to go to. Netscape and Firefox run on almost the same type of engine, but for some reason I have less problems with webpages with Netscape.