[Izar]

IF this is a dupe, then please close. I looked around to at least 6-8 pages back, but found none

I will not put any religion into this, so it can be openly discussed for all. Do not just post your opinion, elaborate.

Pregnacy and Conception ARE Different

Conception is the moment and time the sperm and egg are combined. The cells do not turn into an embryo until 10 days later, when it is attached to the uterus wall. When attached, it is then an embryo and the female is now pregnant.

What is Pro-Choice?
Pro-Choice is anyone who may be for or against abortion, but believes also in the opinion that the mother has the right to choose, the consequences are her problem and what ever she does is her own right.

What is Anti-abortion?
Anti-abortionists are completely against abortion, enough said. Ideas of them include that is a woman is raped and gets pregant, because when raped, she should go to the police WITHIN 10 DAYS. If she does, she is given a pill that makes it so the two gametes flowing cannot connect to the uterus wall. This pill is called the "Morning After" pill. if they do not give this to her, she is to ASK.

My Take
I am an Anit-abortionist. I wouls post all my ideas, but I have no time. I'll post them later, I guess.

[Andross]

Pro-Choice, but not necessarily for abortion. I just don't think it's the right of the government to decide on these issues. Maybe if scientists figure out when true conciousness develops it would be easier to rule on it, but for now, I'd say they'd only be allowed an abortion until their first trimester is up. Or something around the early stages of development when organs begin to form.

[Mysterious Adept]

Well i go to a catholic school and abortion goes against what is being taught in my school, though i have heard many comments like rape and things like that but even if it is rape someone shouldn't kill another person just because of how that person came about, after all only God knows when it's time for someone to go..

[Nick Presta]

It's 11:23pm and I don't feel like getting emotional, so I'm just going to say that I am pro-choice up until first trimester as Andross said. I will update this later.

[m&m]

Pro-Choice or Anti-Abortion:if the man and woman don't want a baby then they should use protection, abortion is not the way. we shouldn't be the ones to choose if the baby lives or dies. and you could always put the baby up for adoption if the woman does get pregnant.

[Elliott]

It's up to the parents. But you should really take more care when having sex to have a condom, or take contraseptive (sp?). I don't care really, if the child is unborn then it's no big loss. It's up to the parents. If they really don't want the baby, then they can do it. Though personally I wouldn't about (if I was female of course), I would have the baby and give it up for adoption. That was I'm not killing something, and I'm bringing joy to another family who can't have children.

[Nickelback]

If your not ready for a child then don't have sex. Its as simple as that, if its rape or something like that and your not ready and stuff then that pill would be acceptable. But if your gonna do it then be prepared.

[I'm Always BROKE]

I think abortion is like killing the baby.
People are stupid when they do it!
When your having sex without condom you can be sure you get pregnant. If it's your first time and you got pregnant then you should have listen more to yo mom and pop more about the flowers and the bees ;) .

But if the girl/woman was being raped I understand why you do abortion. The child will look alot like his father and you got a feeling something from that man is inside of you, which I don't think it's a nice feeling :ph34r: .

[Kewne]

I'm pro-choice.

We recently had a debate about this in my class and the first thing a guy said was:
"Men should also have the choice to do abortion when they are pregnant." He wasn't joking about it, he was serious. We had to tell him why men can't be pregnant.

[Izar]

I am anti-abortionist for two reasons. Although it is the woman's choice, is it not GOD's choice? Also, if a woman gets raped, or gets conception, take the friggin' morning after pill.

[Elliott]

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is it not GOD's choice?

Sooner or later Izar, you will have to realise that not everyone is Christian.

[Mysterious Adept]

True not everyone is Christian, but some people just gotta use common sense, would you take a baby's life just so you can satisfy your own for 2 seconds, everyone deserves the right to live

[Izar]

Agatio, on Apr 29 2005, 08:12 PM, said:

Sooner or later Izar, you will have to realise that not everyone is Christian.

Do you think? I know that. Remember, I was posting MY opinion on the matter, not everyone's.

[Mycarayne]

Heh, nicely put Izar.
My view on abortion is that it shouldn't happen. Why?

Well gather 'round ye children and I shall tell you a tale:
One of mystery, enchantment and of the magical invention of contraceptives. :)

ie: Abortion shouldn't need to be contemplated in the first place.

Just think, if they allowed it, stem cell research would continue. And then cloning humans could be made possible. And THEN, Anubis might be cloned. Need I say more? lol

[Izar]

Good point. Not only that, but abortions make the world sloppy, in my honoest opinion. That's because now, humans will kill humans because they think that the ends justify the means... sorta.

[Mycarayne]

And the world isn't sloppy already? The answer is: No. it is not.

But I completley agree, even though I don't 100% understand what it is that you just said :)

[Izar]

Lol. I mean that the world is going downhill from here. yeah, new cures, new technology. But whatever happened to the Old ways? Abortion just degrades human society.

[Mycarayne]

Heh, now that is true. Abortion is the easy way out :)

This is a pretty delicate subject...

[Eugine]

Abortion, it's up to the parents of the baby, they should have the right to destroy the baby as long as it's unborn.

[Golden Legacy]

Against abortion myself. I don't think it is ever the right of a human being to prevent another from existing (note that I am avoiding the word "kill" here, because some people don't think it applies to embryos).

[Someone Else]

Abortion... I don't know, it's a bit unorthodox and it goes against my morals. But like GL said, it's not MURDER exactly.

[Platinum Sun]

Definately for abortion here. I have no qualms about destroying a consciousness that dosn't exsist yet when the other choice is to force a child to live with a parent that dosn't want him/her.

*Waits to get yelled at*

[Mars Djinni]

So you're all for stripping a child's life away - them feeling blinding, white-hot, excruciating pain as they suffer inhumanely for a mistake that wasn't even theirs?

Murder means killing, ending someone's life. The child is ALIVE. It is a seperate being from the mother, yet it just hasn't had a chance to enter the world yet. The moment the child is conceived, it is a separate being; not part of the mother and father anymore, but a developing, whole new person.

If an embryo doesn't exist, then does that mean humans are all empty shells, as things inside don't "exist"?

[Platinum Sun]

In a word yes. Except:

- Embryos don't have life yet
- Embryos don't feel pain yet
- A life can't end before it has started
- At least from a biological standpoint, the child is not a seperate being from its mother, since it cannot survive as such
- Embryos exist, they just are not conscious, and thus do not enjoy the same rights as conscious people.

[Someone Else]

PS said what I wanted to say, I just didn't know how to say it. :)

[Golden Legacy]

Mars Djinni, on Aug 9 2006, 02:30 PM, said:

So you're all for stripping a child's life away - them feeling blinding, white-hot, excruciating pain as they suffer inhumanely for a mistake that wasn't even theirs?

Murder means killing, ending someone's life. The child is ALIVE. It is a seperate being from the mother, yet it just hasn't had a chance to enter the world yet. The moment the child is conceived, it is a separate being; not part of the mother and father anymore, but a developing, whole new person.

If an embryo doesn't exist, then does that mean humans are all empty shells, as things inside don't "exist"?

I side with MD on this one completely. The embryo is already alive; just the fact that it exists means that it will someday grow to be a human being with consciousness. Abortion robs that unjustly and effectively kills the human being. From the moment it is conceived, that "potential" (for lack of a better word) is there, and by taking that away, it is no different than cold-blooded murder.

[Platinum Sun]

You're taking that line of thought a little too far. A cheeseburger has the potential to become a human being. (Seriously, you are what you eat, so embryos are what their mothers ate.) Yet that cheeseburger is not afforded the same rights as I am.

[Golden Legacy]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Abortion is a matter of life and death, NOT MEANINGLESS JUNK.

[Platinum Sun]

It's a matter of death before life, and wether or not you believe that is truly possible.

[Mars Djinni]

There was once a manager at a local convenience store that was too eager to open. Not considering that he'd have to provide for any new employees' salaries, he started putting up Help Wanted signs. He got an answer, but then it hit him the day before the interview that he won't be able to support the new employees properly. Little did the manager know, one employee-to-be was willing to support the store as well and turn it into the success it deserved to be, yet all the manager saw was a teenager looking for a cashier job. Alas, the manager refused him and told him he has no need of help. The convenience store closed down the following week and the manager went elsewhere, unsuccessful.

Something may be worthless to the eye's glance, but a life is a life, whether it is born or not. It still had a purpose. It still was supposed to be a person. Why is it the parent's choice to prevent their child from having at least some chance at being successful in life? You're right, it isn't murder. It's worse.

You say anything before birth is meaningless. It is. That is, only if one makes it so by blocking it off from the world.

[Platinum Sun]

Maybe because it's the parents that have to pay (in money as well as time) and suffer to bring the development of that life to fuition? Maybe because the parent's can't support the child? Maybe it's because they don't want to trade their kid off like a commodity to a family of strangers by putting it up for adoption? Maybe it's because it was the parents that created that life? Ever think of that?

[Mars Djinni]

Maybe people should let their brain think instead of their lower region.

[Platinum Sun]

Oh, yeah. Because people are totally going to stop having irresponsible sex because Mars Djinni thinks it's a bad idea!

[Golden Legacy]

And people had better learn to control their pathetic urges. A few seconds of pleasure in no way can compensate for life.

[Someone Else]

Was that supposed to be a point? People aren't going to stop having irresponsible sex, ever.

[Platinum Sun]

Congratulations for sort of figuring out what I was saying.

[Someone Else]

I know perfectly well what you're saying PS, I agree with every word of it. :)

[Golden Legacy]

It's this EXACT attitude why we have such problems in the world as AIDS and such issues as abortion.

People have this idea that they can't control themselves, they can't restrain with any effort, etc.

THIS NOTION HAS TO STOP. Stop saying people are doomed to repeat irresponsible sex, stop accepting that people can't change in that way. People need to be EDUCATED. They can't be told, "you can have sex, but don't worry about pregnancy, we'll abort if necessary".

That is a flagrant and abusive manner of treating ourselves and the way we live.

[Someone Else]

I DO agree with you, but tell me HOW you could accomplish this...

[Platinum Sun]

You can educate all you want. I don't know about you, but they've educated the crap out of us at our school about sex. The fact is, it's a free country and there's no way we can affect the choices of those who don't take the future into account.

[Someone Else]

Exactly, they've done it all in sex ed, the sad fact is there will always be those who don't care and just make life harder for the rest of us.

[Platinum Sun]

Having people that agree with me rules! I wonder why it's never happened before...

[Someone Else]

Platinum Sun, on Aug 9 2006, 07:18 PM, said:

Having people that agree with me rules! I wonder why it's never happened before...

Yeah, but what sucks is that I'm just basically repeating what you say, with different wording. >_>

[Platinum Sun]

That's all I ask from my peons colleagues.

[isaac2112]

Ok, people won't stop having irresponsible sex, it just wont happen. But that does not give them to right to have an abortion. Its your falt you had sex. That does not meen you take a life of a child. You can put it up for addoption.

[pHantOm]

Im pro-choice.

Only because im a guy and I dont know what its like to give birth to a child I dont want.

[isaac2112]

If you are giving birth to a child you dont want, it is probably because you had irresponsible sex. And again, that is no reason to kill a baby.

[Golden Legacy]

isaac2112, on Aug 11 2006, 02:33 AM, said:

Ok, people won't stop having irresponsible sex, it just wont happen. But that does not give them to right to have an abortion. Its your falt you had sex. That does not meen you take a life of a child. You can put it up for addoption.

isaac2112, on Aug 11 2006, 12:41 PM, said:

If you are giving birth to a child you dont want, it is probably because you had irresponsible sex. And again, that is no reason to kill a baby.

That's a point I agree with (though I still don't believe people should have sex irresponsibly, and I'd rather people didn't put the child up for adaption). It's truly unjustified to take a human life just for the mistake of the parents.

[Platinum Sun]

Well that mistake did bring the child into exsistance...

[Bexie]

Bexie - Pro-choice.

I think that if a woman is sure she wants to get an abortion, good luck to her. I don't think anyone else has the right to tell her what she can and can't do.

Anyway, I believe abortion is legal over here (my friend had several when she was young), so, yeah. ^^

[pHantOm]

Bexie, on Aug 11 2006, 02:09 PM, said:

Anyway, I believe abortion is legal over here (my friend had several when she was young), so, yeah. ^^

...

ewwww

Now I am pro-choice, but ... ever hear of a condom?

[Bexie]

That was mostly down to the guys she was with.

Besides, it wasn't her choice to abort anyway... which sucks. >.<

[pHantOm]

They have female condoms too

My girlfriend calls them fish nets. :P

[Bexie]

When I say it was down to the guys she was with, I meant that she usually attracts the abusive types who would probably beat her up if she asked them to use one.

[Aquamarine]

Bexie, on Aug 11 2006, 09:09 PM, said:

Anyway, I believe abortion is legal over here (my friend had several when she was young), so, yeah. ^^

Wait... You're 16. Which means she is probably around your age. AND SHE HAS ALREADY HAD SEVERAL ABORTIONS!? This is a sick world...

[Golden Legacy]

Indeed. Although Bexie didn't specifically say how old she was, the idea of having multiple abortions, at any age, is rather sickening...

But it's her choice.

[Platinum Sun]

Agreed. Even I can't stand behind that. Everyone makes mistakes, but multiple abortions while still a teenager? That falls short of even my incredibly low expectations.

[Bexie]

Aquamarine, on Aug 11 2006, 08:49 PM, said:

Wait... You're 16. Which means she is probably around your age. AND SHE HAS ALREADY HAD SEVERAL ABORTIONS!? This is a sick world...

HEY. I'm seventeen, dammit! xD

And my friend turns 27 next month.
And it wasn't her bloody fault.

[Platinum Sun]

Change your profile info. It still says 16.

And as for:

Bexie, on Aug 11 2006, 06:15 PM, said:

And it wasn't her bloody fault.

I'm sure she had a little something to do with it.

[Aquamarine]

Platinum Sun, on Aug 12 2006, 12:19 AM, said:

I'm sure she had a little something to do with it.

That was darn awesome PS! OMG IZ TEH PWNZR!

[Bexie]

Platinum Sun, on Aug 11 2006, 11:19 PM, said:

Change your profile info. It still says 16.

And as for:
I'm sure she had a little something to do with it.

If you were with someone abusive who would smash your head open at the mere mention of the word condom, you'd ****ing keep your mouth shut too.

[Platinum Sun]

Three words,

1. Abstainance
2+3. Restraining order

[Golden Legacy]

You're lucky that entire post is five words.

Now, Bexie brings up a fair point. In many nations (i.e. especially in Africa), women are tortured and raped constantly. I saw a CNN doumentary about the crisis in Darfur, and it was absolutely sickening.

A woman raped for eight days straight? Her daughter, mutilated and literally torn? Another woman, who could no longer keep a straight posture?

And everyone of them, of course, gave birth, and now can't take care of the children, much less themselves.

[Platinum Sun]

There's a very important difference between rape and jerks that refuse to wear condoms.

[Golden Legacy]

What I'm saying is, wouldn't those women be justified in having abortions, if they could get one?

[Platinum Sun]

Which one of us has been for abortion this whole time GL? What I'm saying is that the fact that your boyfriend won't wear a condom dosn't justify the risk of unwanted children/repeated abortions.

[isaac2112]

You shouldn't be having sex with your boyfreind in the first place. Having an abortion is the same thing as taking a life. Just because you can not handle a baby as you child does not give you the right to kill it. Once again you can put it up for adoption, give the child to a family member, etc. As for a rape scenario, i do not know my opinion on that issue lol.

[Golden Legacy]

Platinum Sun, on Aug 12 2006, 04:33 PM, said:

Which one of us has been for abortion this whole time GL? What I'm saying is that the fact that your boyfriend won't wear a condom dosn't justify the risk of unwanted children/repeated abortions.

isaac2112, on Aug 12 2006, 04:56 PM, said:

You shouldn't be having sex with your boyfreind in the first place. Having an abortion is the same thing as taking a life. Just because you can not handle a baby as you child does not give you the right to kill it. Once again you can put it up for adoption, give the child to a family member, etc. As for a rape scenario, i do not know my opinion on that issue lol.

Just to remind you, I'm against abortion. As Isaac pointed before me, having sex irresponsibly doesn't justify murder. I agree with that on every notion.

It's only when I have to make a point about something more serious (i.e. the raped women of Darfur I mentioned) where my feelings get tested. Yes, I am still against abortion, no matter what, but even so, I'll feel bad for those women who are raped.

However, those women who choose to have an abortion for the sake of having one, and just because they can are the type I'll never agree with.

[Someone Else]

I can see that.

But I don't think an unwanted child would be a happy child in adoption. You shouldn't have irresponsible sex, but abortion isn't right either.

[Mars Djinni]

At least the child has a chance in life. There's always two sides of the coin. There are children who will truly be unhappy, but there are others who are grateful for just having parents that care.

Tell me, what would you prefer; the chance to live life and be successful under adopted parents who will support you in the stead of the birthparents, or no chance at all to enter the world?

[Phillip]

Who cares? They are just babies. People evolved so we are worthless. Babies born to homosexual partners should not be thrown away because people from melbourne are sacred, especially the homosexuals.

[FlamingDuck]

I think the hinge of the issue is whether you count the baby as alive during the abortion stage. If you think it is not yet truly alive, you might just look at it as having somehting removed. In my opinion, being alive means more than just having a heartbeat. You need to be able to make sentient choices, or at least react to things.

That being said, I don't quite know how I stand on abortion. I don't think it seems to be very wrong because I don't count the baby as alive at that stage. However, you are still killing its chances of life and hapiness. If somehow you got pregnant and it really wasn't your fault, I think you should be able to get an abortion. But if you just don't think you can cope with a baby and you want an abortion, I think adoption would be a better choice.

[Phillip]

So? It's a baby. Science doesn't say we cannot kill babies. it is natural to do so if they are unneeded.

Melbourne has always stood for the rights of homosexuals, abortionists, and other liberal ideas. Liberals are the truth!

[Eugine]

OK then Phillip...

Anyway, I believe someone should be allowed to abort a child if she was raped or can't sustain the child. What's the point putting the child in the world with a default disadvantage? Or well, in a family it won't be allowed.

If someone atleast thought of aborting a child it obviously shows she cannot love... But then, many people regret it after, or was happy they didn't abort.

[Golden Legacy]

I'm reviving this topic because I think it's a worthwhile discussion.

Remember the rules. No flaming other members, no swearing, etc.
Carry on.

[Platinum Sun]

Good idea! Let my random statements of revival commence!

It's not just the moral quandry over abortion that frustrates me. It's the legal stuff too. The reason that there's no federal laws regarding abortion is because Congress avoids that issue like typhoid. People kept bringing it up though, eventually it worked its way through the courts to the Supreme Court. It was a case called Roe V. Wade. (I'm impressed that it hasn't been mentioned yet.) The Supreme Court delivered an uncharacteristically indecisive verdict, stating that the regulation of abortion was the responsibility of state governments, further removing the federal government from the issue. I don't even think that the moral issue is really what this is all about. I have a very low opinion of humanity as a whole, but even I admit that there is only a tiny fraction of the population that is bothered by the knowledge that abortions are happening elsewhere in the country. What this is really about (like so many things) is money. Many states are spending tax dollars on running free abortion clinics and that's what's really raising support for the pro-life argument.

There. If that didn't make several people angry enough to reply, nothing will.

[Hotshot101]

Abortion is pretty much murder in my book. You are killing a life even if it isn't totally made yet. Its just wrong. If you didn't want the kid they get yourself fixed! Or other wise deal with it.

[Elliott]

Using that logic, anyone who masturbates is committing a massacre.

[Hotshot101]

Well its true. Your killing off a life even if they aren't totally formed yet. I mean sure you can abort the baby if it has no hope of survivial. If you did that would be kinda worse because the baby just suffers.

[Ravenblade]

I feel that the decision for abortion should be left up to the individuals involved. Obviously, once the foetus has gone beyond a certain point (about 10 weeks i'd say...) then it moves on to being murder.

Having an abortion is (apparently) easy enough in the short term, but from what ive heard, it generally comes back to haunt the women who do it with guilt as they *do* end up feeling that they've killed their child.

[Split Infinity]

Hotshot101, on Jan 7 2007, 01:38 PM, said:

Well its true. Your killing off a life even if they aren't totally formed yet. I mean sure you can abort the baby if it has no hope of survivial. If you did that would be kinda worse because the baby just suffers.

So euthanasia is fine in your books?

[Hotshot101]

Well it is in certain cases split. I mean most people would jump off a cliff before having to live everyday on life support.

[Split Infinity]

It's funny how much difference there is in how much people value life. There are those who believe it is a gift that should never be cut short, like pro-lifers and non-euthanasians. And then there are those that have little to no respect for it at all, like murderers and suicidals. Or bombers. They're both.

[Elliott]

It all just depends on how you look at things. I don't put a lot of value on human life at all, including my own. I see most, if not all people as fairly useless sacks of flesh that are never really going to accomplish anything, and don't really deserve to live. Whereas some people will argue that everyone deserves a chance at life, and equal opportunities. I suppose it's times like these you have to agree to disagree, because it's not something that can be resolved with evidence, proof, rationality or logic.

[gsninja]

Agatio, on Jan 8 2007, 09:15 PM, said:

It all just depends on how you look at things. I don't put a lot of value on human life at all, including my own. I see most, if not all people as fairly useless sacks of flesh that are never really going to accomplish anything, and don't really deserve to live. Whereas some people will argue that everyone deserves a chance at life, and equal opportunities. I suppose it's times like these you have to agree to disagree, because it's not something that can be resolved with evidence, proof, rationality or logic.

...Interesting way of putting it. Still, you're right that reliance on simple evidence won't really amount to any ultimate conclusion.

By my opinion, I don't think abortions are really necessary. If someone wants an abortion, let the person have the abortion. However, instead of just killing the unborn child, why not just give him/her up for adoption? No killing necessary, and the child will probably have a chance to make something of himself/herself.

Some "mothers" want abortions instead of putting her child up for adoption because she doesn't want to think about how the child is doing. If anything, that's just absolutely pathetic. If you don't want a child, then you shouldn't have sex in the first place unless you use a condom. And even those aren't completely safe.

All in all, abortions are rather wrong, since it's just...dumb. It's really not useful.

[Hotshot101]

Everyone values life except of course as split said murders, suiciders, and bombers. The murder just values his own life though. Anyway. If your really value life you would want to spend the time doing something worth while and not strapped to a medical bed hooked up to all this junk. My Grandfathers died, because he would have rather jumped of a cliff, before having to live the rest of his life hooked up to a machine.

[Elliott]

Hotshot101, on Jan 9 2007, 04:04 PM, said:

Everyone values life except of course as split said murders, suiciders, and bombers. The murder just values his own life though. Anyway. If your really value life you would want to spend the time doing something worth while and not strapped to a medical bed hooked up to all this junk. My Grandfathers died, because he would have rather jumped of a cliff, before having to live the rest of his life hooked up to a machine.

Stop treating your opinion as fact, your ignorance is really starting to piss me off. Like I said, I don't value human life very highly, and I'm sure where there is one, there are more who think and feel the same. If you ever want to be taken seriously, take a step back and think about what you're posting before you post it. Saying something like "everyone values life" is a crock of ****, because I just said a mere 3 posts ago that I don't value human life very highly.

[Hotshot101]

Then you must not apreciate much else. I meant by that was people may not value others, but they do value, there own. Some people value others lives, as well as there own, while some people don't. You must value your own life or otherwise why would you be here?

[Elliott]

Hotshot101, on Jan 10 2007, 12:14 AM, said:

Then you must not apreciate much else. I meant by that was people may not value others, but they do value, there own. Some people value others lives, as well as there own, while some people don't. You must value your own life or otherwise why would you be here?

It's like conversing with a brick wall.

When I say I don't value life, I'm meaning that if an entire nation was wiped out, I probably wouldn't shed a tear, or I don't value life meaning that hearing about someone being raped or tortured really doesn't affect me in any emotional way. But when it comes down to it, I need to be realistic. I enjoy my life quite a lot at times; when I'm spending quality time with friends or listening to music in the solitude of my room.

But while I don't place a lot of value on human life, and while I'm nihilistic and quite a lot of the time misanthropic, I do need to be serious. We only get one shot at life, and according to my beliefs, once we die it's over, and I'm not ready to die just yet. So I intend to make the most of what time I do have. So yes, like I said, while life is essentially pointless to me (we live, we die, time continues), I do plan to make the most of what I have.

I suppose when you're wearing the blindfold of religion it's hard to get your head around someone else's ideology, but do me favour and try to understand.

[Hotshot101]

I understand Athiests, I can see where there coming from, but still some athiests value the life of people. I mean how could you have like a girlfriend if you didn't really care in the first place. Trying to make the best out of it is valuing your life. Now I don't want to get into a big religous discussion about thsi again. So back on topic.

[Elliott]

Hotshot101, on Jan 10 2007, 12:37 AM, said:

I understand Athiests, I can see where there coming from, but still some athiests value the life of people. I mean how could you have like a girlfriend if you didn't really care in the first place. Trying to make the best out of it is valuing your life. Now I don't want to get into a big religous discussion about thsi again. So back on topic.

Like I've said before, I like it when a topic strays from the original point. Of course some atheists value life, an atheist is something someone who doesn't have a religion, I guess you could say everyone is born an atheist and is one until they completely embrace a religion. In saying that, you can't really generalise at all with atheists, as all have their own beliefs or lack of beliefs.

Now, you're confusing valuing human life with caring about individual humans. I have quite a lot of people I care about, friends, family and whatnot, but that doesn't mean that I think these people's lives, or my own, are anything special, or worthwhile, or destined to anything but a casket six feet below the ground.

[Hotshot101]

And you are taking life and putting it with death. Everyone dies eventually, but its what they do that makes them special. You never know until you see beyond what bad will happen to you and look at the good you can do and what others do.

[Golden Legacy]

If you are pro-choice, click here


If you are pro-life, click here.


If you are un-sure, click here.