[TobiasMar]

Well, as it says in the description, list any computer software or hardware you want for your computer. As for me, here is my list.

• Dell E153FP 15-inch Flat Panel Color LCD Monitor (Click here for details)
  
• Silver IPod Mini mp3 player w/4GB of storage space (Click here for details)

[Max]

Oh wow, you don't want to get me started on this topic. I'm a huge hardware enthusiast, so I'm always desiring the latest and greatest. If money were no object, I'd get one of those new Dual-2.7 PowerMac's or one of the Star Wars Alienware Aurora's. If we are just talking about components, then I'd love one of the new AMD64 X2 processors with two 6800U's in SLI.

[Power Piers]

I want...I don't know what kind of laptop but a good one with Satellite internet, and I want some good programming software such as C++ or VB. Also, I want a good music editing program (Now I'm using a free one called Audacity).

[TobiasMar]

Max, on May 11 2005, 08:32 PM, said:

Oh wow, you don't want to get me started on this topic. I'm a huge hardware enthusiast, so I'm always desiring the latest and greatest. If money were no object, I'd get one of those new Dual-2.7 PowerMac's or one of the Star Wars Alienware Aurora's. If we are just talking about components, then I'd love one of the new AMD64 X2 processors with two 6800U's in SLI.

Well, I just posted it here because I wanted to see what other people desired for their computers, but I never knew that there would be a huge hardware enthusiast here! (I bet if you did post a list, it would be very long; I can tell)

[Mars Djinni]

As for me, a simple 3 1/2 floppy disk drive wold be good. I have to keep wasting CD-R's for homework and school website work. To make matters worse, my parents don't really feel like buying CD-RWs.

...Well come to think of it, a better graphics card would suit me well.

[Andross]

Max, on May 12 2005, 01:32 AM, said:

then I'd love one of the new AMD64 X2 processors with two 6800U's in SLI.

Great minds think alike >:]
Or if money were truly no object, make it even more absurd and go with some dual-core Opterons. Mmm, tasty. Although it could be debatable over whether 64 would be better to go with over an Opteron.

But damn, would games be FAST on that system...tasty...

[Elliott]

I want someone to overclock my AMD Athlon so it runs at 3200 like it's supposed to. Also, new speakers, flat screen monitor and a perhaps a new graphics card. Also, 1024meg RAM, and a new case. Heck, there's not of stuff I want, but other stuff takes priority, and I don't have endless money.

[Mycarayne]

Nost of this stuff goes straight over the top of my head, with there speccy names and all.

I'll say this: Having only a laptop I cannot really upgrade it without tremendous effort.

However, I would like: Wireless/laser mouse, secondary H-drive (100+ Gbs) and a new LAN cable :) Mine broke the other day ^_^

[Nick Presta]

I want the WonderSwan All-In-One Capture card by ATI.

[Eugine]

Where do you go to find out about the latest about the hardware?

I just want a better graphics card.

[Tachyon360]

nick1presta, on May 12 2005, 03:12 PM, said:

I want the WonderSwan All-In-One Capture card by ATI.

*blink, blink* *rubs eyes*

Don't you mean Radeon All-In-Wonder? The WonderSwan is a half-assed handheld console released solely in Asia.

And which All-In-Wonder? I believe their latest is the All-in-Wonder X800 with the X850 ready to come out soon.

Still, WTF would you want the All-In-Wonder for? (Yes, I know the practical reasons, but this is a thread about your dream hardware, isn't it?) It neither performs quite as well as the Radeon X800, nor is it on par with dedicated TV tuner cards, like those from Hauppauge. Plus, if you ever want to use it on a MythTV box, forget about it - the All-In-Wonder isn't compatible.

I'd get a bigass mobo with enough PCIx slots for just about anything I might ever want to add, stick in two GeForce FX 6800 Ultras in SLI (overclocked, with a hybrid Peltier/vapor cooling system and a factory-quality voltage mod) and get a bunch HDTV tuner cards from Hauppauge, instead of a lowly All-In-Wonder.

[Nick Presta]

Aw. you pwned me.

And yes, just copy what you said in your post about my capture card and that is what I want now.

And I honestly don't know why I posted Wonderswan. I guess I was thinking about mine.

[Kubjelle]

I've actually bought a pc.

BenQ 19" LCD FP937s+ sølv/sort 
1280x1024, 8ms, TCO99, D-sub/DVI   
3 100,00

Seagate 200GB S-ATA 7200RPM 
Barracuda 7200.7 8MB cache	
760,00

Club3D Radeon X800 256MB PCIe retail 
256MB GDDR3/ TV-out/Dual DVI/Vivo	
1 676,00

Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9 nForce4-4X 
ATX/S-ATA/GB-LAN/8ch-LYD/1394B/PCIe	
716,00

Raidmax Scorpio Blått Miditower m/vindu 
u/powersupply	
396,00

Zalman CPU Vifte 
Socket 478/775/754/939/940 - ZA-7700-CU	
340,00

Serial ATA 150 50 cm 
S-ATA Datakabel	
63,00

OCZ 1024MB Premier Dual Channel w/o H.S. 
PC-3200 2x512MB (2,5-3-3-7) 400Mhz	
876,00

NEC DVD-brenner ND-3520 bulk, intern 
16X Double layer sort, bulk	
380,00

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 1.8 Ghz BOXED 
Socket 939 512KB cache "Winchester"	
988,00

OCZ ModStream strømforsyning 450W 
20/24pin ATX/BTX/PCI Express/SATA	
760,00

Særavgifter:
0,00
Totalt:
10 055,00
Mva:
2 513,75
Totalt eks. frakt og gebyrer :
12 568,75

This is in NOK Norwegian Kroner.

My own setup!
I was thinking to buy a Nvidia video card so that I could have SLI, but ATI has better cards in my priceclass.

I would love to have a cpu dual core to!(AMD X2)
DDR2.
Windows Longhorn.
A god switch.
It's so many things..

[TobiasMar]

Errr....Kubjelle, I don't think Windows Longhorn OS is out yet. Or, do you mean you want it when it comes out?

(Anyway, I updated my wishlist; look at my first post in this thread to see)

[Elliott]

The BETA has been out for a while I'm pretty sure, and from what I hear it's more stable than XP.

[TobiasMar]

Longhorn Beta is out? I didn't know that. Can you show me where to install it?

[Andross]

Never use a Windows BETA. You shall burn in hell :P

I just MAY be able to get my DREAM BOX. Here it is. It's minus CD/DVD drives and Hard Drive, memory and speakers, as I already have that stuff/can get it later/can find a better deal than NewEgg:


Rosewill R214P-BLK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 400W Power Supply - Retail
$36.99

ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$175.00

(2) MSI NX6600GT-TD128E Geforce 6600GT 128MB GDDR3 PCI-Express x16 Video Card - Retail
$356.00

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3200BIBOX - Retail
$190.00

NU QL-711V 2-Tone 17" 8ms LCD Monitor - Retail
$222.00

CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS GAMER Limited Edition 70SB035000013 8 (7.1) Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
$108.00

Microsoft Windows XP Professional With Service Pack 2 - OEM
$139.95

Subtotal: $1,227.94

Dual SLIs......MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Izar]

I do everything on my comp myself, I don't buy already-made computers, but there are some exeptions...

I want Alienware!

Software... I dunno what I want really, I don't. :P

[Elliott]

Buying ready made computers cost twice as much as if you buy them custom built. Mine was 980 AUD from a computer shop, it was custom built, if I had bought it ready made with the same specs it most likely would have cost over 2000 AUD.

[Andross]

Alienware is a RIP OFF. The only "benefits" are the cases, for the look, cooling, and architecture, but that's about it. You're better off making your own in the end (mine is similar to one of their deals, but theirs is probably $1500 to $2000).

EDIT: Yup, I was right. My dual SLI system, despite having some parts not in my list 'cause I have 'em already, is hella lots cheaper than the cheapest (about) dual SLI system you can get with Alienware. We're talking $300 - $700 difference. Definitely huge.

[Izar]

Andross, on May 27 2005, 11:09 PM, said:

Alienware is a RIP OFF. The only "benefits" are the cases, for the look, cooling, and architecture, but that's about it. You're better off making your own in the end (mine is similar to one of their deals, but theirs is probably $1500 to $2000).

Oh, the only thing I was refering to WAS the case :P

[Andross]

If you wanna sweet case, you can dish out $150 for one o' dem fancy ones and it'll STILL be cheaper than the Alienware! :P (You can even get one that has a temperature gauge and whatnot, lol)

[Izar]

Oh cool. Which one(where)? I'm trying to find a good gift for my dad, and myself, and a case is something I need.

[Kubjelle]

Andross: 2x 6600GT is NOT better then 1 6800 GT! I would bought a 6800 NU, and if you are lucky you can softmod it to a 6800 GT. And you can eventually buy another, when you need one.

And why buy a winchester core? Venice is much better, especially if you are going to OC(OverClock).

Anyway it looks like a pretty decent computer.

[Andross]

6600GT is hella lots cheaper, and still a very good deal, and I may not buy two immediately. Dual 6800GTs would be friggin' expensive (when the SLIs are out though; or have they been released already?). Though I did not notice 6800GT when I was making my rounds of SLI card reviews anyway. I'll check newegg nonetheless.

And I'm not that much of a geek to know the difference between cores :P

[Kubjelle]

In Norway, 2 6600GT is just 295 NOK cheaper then 1 6800GT. Which is around 45 USD. I don't know in the rest of the world, but it should not be any big diffrences.

One 6800GT is better then two 6600GT!!!

You could just give a damn in the sound card and buy 6800GT, since the integrated works fine with games.

[Andross]

Well, I may go with a cheaper sound card, but DAMN, Fry's had a deal on that CREATIVE sound card one day, and after rebates, it was $30 or $40! INSANE!

nForce 4 is good anyway, so I think I'll retool things to where I scratch the sound card, and that way save a bit of money in the end.

Oh, and I'm also not much of a geek to be able to overclock stuff ^_^

EDIT
After retooling the stuff, I lowered the cost by about $100 or so AND there are 6800GT SLI PCI-X video cards. It's unfortunate I don't have more money so I could get a 6800 Ultra because my mom is being a *censored* and forcing me to use some of my Bar Mitzvah money for charity :P

Damnit, isn't a flippin 4.2 GPA and an absurd amount of time spent doing other work enough? :lol:

Anyway...

eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express x16 Video Card - Retail
$359.00

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3200BPBOX - Retail
$203.00

And all the other crap....
*calculations*
Subtotal: $1,135.94

[Izar]

Andross, on May 29 2005, 01:14 PM, said:

Well, I may go with a cheaper sound card, but DAMN, Fry's had a deal on that CREATIVE sound card one day, and after rebates, it was $30 or $40! INSANE!

Fry's rules at computer stuff. That's where I get most. it's the cheapest around, but still over an hour away. I'll probably go next week.

[Andross]

I got really lucky, 'cause Fry's made an awesome new store about a year ago just 15 minutes from my house. We used to have to drive an hour as well.

So now, it's one drool fest per week instead of per month or bi-weekly :P

[Elliott]

I have about 3 computer shops around 5 minutes away, so if one doesn't have something, I can go to the next, or the next :lol: . When in doubt, order something in and get it mailed out :angry: .

[Izar]

Andross, on May 29 2005, 06:17 PM, said:

I got really lucky, 'cause Fry's made an awesome new store about a year ago just 15 minutes from my house. We used to have to drive an hour as well.

So now, it's one drool fest per week instead of per month or bi-weekly :angry:

Lol, your so lucky. The closest place here with computers is Wal-Mart. :lol: Fry just plain rocks. Around my sister's house (where I'm going this week) they've got like 20.

I Like how alienware looks, it's just neat. Or If I could get a real cool chrome/silver one, that would rule.

[Kubjelle]

I live in a farm!
With ISDN!
No friggin ADSL!
There is a chance that some company will build out.
There is no real hardware shop. Just buy this pc with Intel Celeron 3GHZ, omg 3GHZ, that is awesome!!! If you catch my drift.. :lol:

Andross: God that you came to sence. :angry:
You have a veeeeeeery god pc now!
To overclock isn't so hard, just go to the BIOS and OC. Simple as that.(Almost)

[Andross]

Oooooo, I have $200 more bucks (in a way) to spend now, so I may be close to getting two 6800GTs (or are you gonna say that one Ultra is more powerful? :lol:)

Or I could get myself a nicer LCD >:]

So, basically, I'm going to be able to get myself a MUCH better case with a Fry's gift certificate I have (sub 100), and I now have dual channel memory, so I'm set there. I could also get a nice wireless logitech desktop with the extra money if I decide against the second card. But nonetheless, it's looking good :angry:

[Izar]

I'd rather spend money on something non-computer related. I'm not into computers that much.

I think I'll just go to fry's to get all my stuff.

[MysticWarrior]

What happened to the good old days, where you only want a yo-yo and a tricycle? ;_;

I would want an overall better and faster computer to run Doom 3 on. However, like Izar, I'm not gonna spend money on it.

[Izar]

Yeah, Doom 3 looks awesome. I want it! A friend of mine has it, we might play it sometime.

[Elliott]

If you have an xbox just get it for that, graphics aren't top notch because of the specs, but still a great shooter.

[Andross]

Okay, dilemma. Should I go for a second 6800GT, or get a 19"/17" LCD with 8ms response time and a Logitech Wireless Keyboard and Mouse? They come to about the same price, so it's kinda a toughy. I should be good with one 6800GT, so that's why I'm looking at getting a better monitor and keyboard/mouse.

Hmmmm.....

[Tachyon360]

It depends on what you intend to do. Are you using that PC primarily for graphics design or gaming? Graphics design could benefit more from a dual monitor setup. If nothing else, it'll save you some clutter.

Gaming would do well with either one. Two 6800GTs in SLI would definitely slaughter everything left and right. Hell, Doom 3 maxes out at 100 fps, and the latest offerings from both nVidia and ATi hit that limit. There are a nice handfull of mods out there, though, that add enough high-quality graphical enhancements to the game that would push even the 6800 Ultra or X850 really hard. A second GT6800 would definitely benefit you there.

On the other hand, a dual monitor setup would let you see more of the gameplay in most games. Even if the monitors aren't the same, it'll still give you a considerable edge.

IMO, a single 6800GT is more than sufficient for just about anything a teen would do with his PC, so I'd go with the new monitor.

[Andross]

I don't have the desk space for two monitors. Bit of confusion there I guess: I put 19"/17" because I'm looking at two different monitors, the only major difference being the screen size. But I have also considered the dual-monitor setup.

What I intend to do is use these programs extensively:
-Photoshop CS
-Dreamweaver MX
-3DSM 7
-Gaming (Halo, Doom 3, UT04, etc.)
-Internet junk

I think what I might do is go with 1 video card, the LCD monitor, and the keyboard/mouse, and save up money later to either decide whether I want a second video card or I want to go with a second monitor (although, again, deskspace is limited :P).

So I'll be looking at this setup for my new PC

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor (Boxed w/Heatsink & Fan) (Purchasing, $203.00)
Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard (Purchasing, $179.00)
Video Card: eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express x16 Video Card (Purchasing, $369.00)
Hard Drive: (2) 160GB UltraATA, 7200RPM (Have)
Memory: 1GB Dual Channel PC3200 (512MB X 2) Corsair (Value Select); 512MB PC3200 Corsair (Value Select); 512MB PC3200 Samsung; Total: 2GB (Have)
CD Drive: NEC DVDRW Reader/Burner (all-in-one) (Have)
Case: Antec Life Style SONATA Piano Black 0.8mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 380W Power Supply (OR similar) (Purchasing, $109.00 w/$120 Fry's Gift Card)
Power Supply: THERMALTAKE Silent PurePower TT-420AD(DUAL FAN) ATX 420W Power Supply (Purchasing, $36.99)
Monitor: NU QL-711V 2-Tone 17" 8ms LCD Monitor ($222.00)
Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless Desktop MX3100 967513-0403 2-Tone PS/2 Wireless Standard Keyboard Mouse Included (Purchasing, $113.98)
OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional With Service Pack 2 - OEM ($145.95)

Total (Approx.) Cost: $1,378.92

And I'm not getting the 64-bit Windows OS because it doesn't have compatibility with much of anything from what I understand. Basically, the speed boost won't warrant the purchase.

[Izar]

Agatio, on May 30 2005, 11:53 PM, said:

If you have an xbox just get it for that, graphics aren't top notch because of the specs, but still a great shooter.

XBOX is great, or are you talking about the game on the XBOX? He's got it for the computer.

I'm gunna go ahead and save up for a Mini-DVD palyer, an XBOX, and a new guitar, and re-teach my self, and probably a drum set. I'll also probably buy a new video card, mine's porbably gunna be outdated soon.

[Elliott]

I was refering to the Xbox version of Doom 3.

[Max]

Andross, get the monitor and keyboard. I have one 6800GT, and I haven't found anything that really challenges it yet. Plus, with the next generation of graphics cards around the corner, the price of a 6800GT will fall to a more reasonable level after the launch of the next-gen cards, so you can pick up a second one at that point if you have the money.

[TobiasMar]

Andross, on May 31 2005, 11:41 AM, said:

Okay, dilemma. Should I go for a second 6800GT, or get a 19"/17" LCD with 8ms response time and a Logitech Wireless Keyboard and Mouse? They come to about the same price, so it's kinda a toughy. I should be good with one 6800GT, so that's why I'm looking at getting a better monitor and keyboard/mouse.

Hmmmm.....

Well, maybe you should do the second one. And get your LCD from Dell, they have real good computer stuff, including LCD monitors.

[Elliott]

Dell is a rip off like all big shops. The best way to buy computer parts is from smaller comp shops orbuy online/catalogue.

[TobiasMar]

Well Agatio, I didnt mean the Dell Store, I meant just stuff from Dell. I see what your trying to say though.

[Tachyon360]

Agatio, on May 31 2005, 05:17 PM, said:

Dell is a rip off like all big shops. The best way to buy computer parts is from smaller comp shops orbuy online/catalogue.

Dell's latest high-end LCD monitors use the exact same screen as Apple's Cinema displays (which are rather good) for a fraction of Apple's price.

It's also worth noting that although big-name prefabs aren't the best possible deal, they're still generally a much better value than anything a small computer shop can sell you.

In conclusion, Dell is not a ripoff.

[Excalibur's Power]

I wanna--

Adobe Photoshop

Athlon 64 Processor My compy already has 3200 >>;

And a better graphics card.

[Andross]

Except I'm not getting a super high-end LCD, so, yeah. I wouldn't buy a Dell LCD screen anyway unless I was going to get that kind of Cinema display.

Anyway, I'll do that Max, since you have experience with your card :)
If only I didn't have to give some of the money to charity, lol :P I think I'll be fine with the 3200+ though.

[Izar]

Agatio, on May 31 2005, 04:17 PM, said:

Dell is a rip off like all big shops. The best way to buy computer parts is from smaller comp shops orbuy online/catalogue.

I agree. Dell is annoying.

I only trust Fry's, Best Buy, and SOMETIMES wal-mart for computer stuff.

[Max]

Just for clarification, my system is a 3500+ w/ 1gig RAM and a 6800GT (with MSI Neo2 Platinum motherboard). I've been able to play all the latest games (HL2 and Doom 3 notably) at very nice quality settings (1024x768 w/ 4xAA, 8xAF or 1280x960 w/ 2xAA, 4xAF) without much of a problem. I think having a nice monitor and a good keyboard/mouse is more important than a few extra frames, especially since the price of the card will go down in time as I said earlier.

[Izar]

I think I'm probably gunna get a new mouse. Mine's opticale, and it'spretty annoying. No cleaning, but sometimes the pointer sticks.

[Elliott]

Wire optical is the best, no batteries, but still smooth.

[Izar]

That's what I got. I think though, It might be the cord somewhere. I'll probably buy a new one soon.

[Elliott]

3200 is a good CPU if you can overclock. I have 3200+ and it only runs at 2000, I don't know anything about overclocking so I'm stuck with it til i find someone IRL who can do it for me.

[Kubjelle]

Andross, on May 31 2005, 08:46 PM, said:

What I intend to do is use these programs extensively:
-Photoshop CS
-Dreamweaver MX
-3DSM 7
-Gaming (Halo, Doom 3, UT04, etc.)
-Internet junk

I think what I might do is go with 1 video card, the LCD monitor, and the keyboard/mouse, and save up money later to either decide whether I want a second video card or I want to go with a second monitor (although, again, deskspace is limited :P).

So I'll be looking at this setup for my new PC

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor (Boxed w/Heatsink & Fan) (Purchasing, $203.00)
Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard (Purchasing, $179.00)
Video Card: eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express x16 Video Card (Purchasing, $369.00)
Hard Drive: (2) 160GB  UltraATA, 7200RPM (Have)
Memory: 1GB Dual Channel PC3200 (512MB X 2) Corsair (Value Select); 512MB PC3200 Corsair (Value Select); 512MB PC3200 Samsung; Total: 2GB (Have)
CD Drive: NEC DVDRW Reader/Burner (all-in-one) (Have)
Case: Antec Life Style SONATA Piano Black 0.8mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 380W Power Supply (OR similar) (Purchasing, $109.00 w/$120 Fry's Gift Card)
Power Supply: THERMALTAKE Silent PurePower TT-420AD(DUAL FAN) ATX 420W Power Supply (Purchasing, $36.99)
Monitor: NU QL-711V 2-Tone 17" 8ms LCD Monitor ($222.00)
Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech Cordless Desktop MX3100 967513-0403 2-Tone PS/2 Wireless Standard Keyboard Mouse Included (Purchasing, $113.98)
OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional With Service Pack 2 - OEM ($145.95)

Total (Approx.) Cost: $1,378.92

And I'm not getting the 64-bit Windows OS because it doesn't have compatibility with much of anything from what I understand. Basically, the speed boost won't warrant the purchase.

I have never heard of a Ultra ATA disk, is it better then SATA? And does your motherboard support Ultra ATA? Otherwise your computer is good! And since you are doing much graphics I would recomend another LCD display like Tachyon. Just make room for it! Two displays is very usefull when using for example Photoshop. Have the panels in one display.. Or just use 100$ on Coke or whatever, and when then buy 6800GT when the price is right. You don't need it yet!

AMD 3200+ runs at 2000 MHZ if you was in doubt, since you said "only".
With the boxed fan, you could maybe get up to 2,6 Ghz.

[Andross]

"Ultra ATA - A version of the AT Attachment (ATA) standard that supports burst mode data transfer rates of 33.3 MBps. To take advantage of these high speeds, your computer must also be equipped with Ultra DMA, a protocol that supports faster data transfer rates to and from hard disk drives."
http://www.webopedia.../Ultra_ATA.html

It's basically a type of IDE interface hard drive. Not better than SATA, but I don't want to buy another hard drive and I don't think I need SATA or some kind of Raptor drive anyway.

And when I say there's not enough desk space, I mean there is not enough desk space in the literal sense. The area of the desk itself is pretty much too small I could try, but it would really be a bit of a pain because it would be sitting on the front edge of the desk :/. I guess I just need a second table to drag over here :P

[Kubjelle]

You should, all the pro graphic artists use two displays! :P

[Andross]

I'll probably be using the old CRT I have then. I don't think my parents will be letting me spend anymore money :/

[Elliott]

Monitor is the last thing on a list I think. I have a generic Philips CRT and it's fine, doesn't hurt the eyes. Maybe something thinner to save space on my desk though.

[Tachyon360]

You'd be surprised what difference a good monitor can make.

As for your CRT, you think your eyes don't hurt, because you're used to the sensation. If you'd look at a decent LCD for a while, going back to a CRT would be Hell for the first week or two.

[Elliott]

I guess so, I wouldn't mind dual display. I saw a screenshot of someone with it yesterday, it's like my resolution (1152x864) doubled, awesome.

[Andross]

Tachyon360, on Jun 4 2005, 01:13 AM, said:

You'd be surprised what difference a good monitor can make.

As for your CRT, you think your eyes don't hurt, because you're used to the sensation. If you'd look at a decent LCD for a while, going back to a CRT would be Hell for the first week or two.

I guess my CRT + LCD combo will be an interesting one then :P
Crazy CRTs. You're so bright and high contrast :D

[Kubjelle]

Agatio, on Jun 3 2005, 06:56 AM, said:

Monitor is the last thing on a list I think. I have a generic Philips CRT and it's fine, doesn't hurt the eyes. Maybe something thinner to save space on my desk though.

The display is what lasts longest, a graphic card drops it's price very fast. And in 2-3 years it is old. A good display you can use for several years, and then I mean several. Like 10 years. So if I was you, I would put a monitor on the top of the list, like me. My lovely BenQ <3...

[Elliott]

Well mines only really temporary til I can get something better (need to save the moolah).

[Izar]

I think Flat Screens own. Mags are good, they have small built in speakers too. But there are tons out there that are btter, I just don't think monitors make a big deal.

[Elliott]

They do, LCD and CRT are different.
Do you mean Macs, not Mags?
And I think they have stopped making anything BUT flat screen monitors now.

[Izar]

No, I mean MAG, that's a monitor brand, I hate Macs.

They make regular monitors too, but they look neat, yet too big. Alienware and all that still have some.

[Kubjelle]

Usually, built inn speakers sucks. And for a small price you can get so much better. But I'm not the sound freaky kind of guy, I just use my koss <3 headsett on lanpartys and at home..

[Izar]

I know, I hate built in speakers, but these have good quality. Also, putting your own speakers up is alot better.

[Andross]

Well, I've done the dirty deed now - I bought the mobo, CPU, video card, and OS last night. Only one week to wait for my parts ^_^

[Kubjelle]

But, come to think of it, your video card is DVI, that means you have to buy a DVI to VGA converter, if you want your CRT to work. Or you could just give a damn, cause two different resolutions sucks.

edit: okey, I've actually checked your comp now. ^_^ And from what I can see, it is VGA. But maybe your display is DVI?

[Andross]

EDIT: I checked the card, the contents say it comes with DVI to VGA converter cable. So it WILL work ^_^ There's two DVI slots, btw, so I can do dual display as well (just a confirmation).

[Kubjelle]

I don't know, I have never used dual displays. :P

[l3lueMage]

Actually, I wanna build I comp :P I have even chosen the parts a billion times ;_;

I chose uh, 2GB of ram(current has 1GB)
256MB GeForce FX 6800 PCI Express x16
AMD 32-bit Athlon Processor
AMD Comapatible mother board
A cool case *too lazy to find the links for all these*
a 19" flat screen, this monitor I hav enow, goes lighter than darker every once in a while ._.
but the flat screen only goes to 1280x1024 resolution which is what my current goes to, I want 1600x1200 though :)

and um, 120GB Harddrive, and uh, I think I will keep my sound system, it works, got it free with my old computer, 120Watt Subwoffer and all =]

[Izar]

If I was richer, I'd build a new computer, But I'm poor, and my parents wont give me money for anything. I'm getting a job, and no, not at some restuarant.

[Andross]

l3lueMage, on Jun 13 2005, 05:42 AM, said:

Actually, I wanna build I comp <_< I have even chosen the parts a billion times ;_;

I chose uh, 2GB of ram(current has 1GB)
256MB GeForce FX 6800 PCI Express x16
AMD 32-bit Athlon Processor
AMD Comapatible mother board
A cool case *too lazy to find the links for all these*
a 19" flat screen, this monitor I hav enow, goes lighter than darker every once in a while ._.
but the flat screen only goes to 1280x1024 resolution which is what my current goes to, I want 1600x1200 though :P

and um, 120GB  Harddrive, and uh, I think I will keep my sound system, it works, got it free with my old computer, 120Watt Subwoffer and all =]

If you're getting a $300 PCI-Express video card, it makes no sense to get a 32-bit AMD CPU - I think only Athlon 64 boards have a PCI-Express slot anyway, AND you might as well splurge :)

[Izar]

Athlon is great, and I don't think the Athlon 64 is the only one that has a PCI-Express slot...

[Andross]

There are only three boards that will support an AMD Sempron and have a PCI-E slot. So there isn't that much out there...

Can't wait for my crap, lol, only a couple days. Heck, they shipped Sunday, and said 1-2 business days, so I might get it tomorrow !<_<

[Kubjelle]

The CPU will be a bottleneck.
And you should say what you are gonna use the computer to.
I don't think a 19" goes to 1600x1200.

Kubjelles tips.

Photographics:(Photoshop, Paintshop, Fireworks, Flash and more)

CPU : Intel P4 EM64T Hyper-Threading
Video card: Not important. ATI 9800.
Ram : 1GB and higher. It's smart with much ram. DDR2 would be nice to. Nice with some ram that is clocked high.
Display: When you are on to GFX, the display is very important. Buy a LCD display with good contrast. React time is not important. If you can afford it, buy two identical displays. 17" or 19".
PSU: Not important, if there is one that follows the case use that. 350 W will work.

Here I will go for Intel, cause Intel has hyperthreading, witch makes you able to do two prosesser at once. GFX card needs good 2d support, not good 3d support, in that case, many not so new video cards is better then these new cards with monstrous 3d support.


3d modelling:(3d studio max, maya, cinema 4d and so on)

CPU: AMD 64 Athlon venice/san diego(Dual core?) Dual CPUs?
Video Card: Here you need a good one. ATI X800 XT. Matrox?
RAM: 1GB works, but I would recomend 2GB.
Display: Same as gfx making. Nice with dual displays.
PSU: Depends, if you are going to hav Dual CPUs or not, if I would go for 500W or higher, if not go for maybe 400W.


You can't come without it, 3D modelling needs a good pc. If you are a semi pro, I would recomend Dual Core or Dual CPUs with Matrox 2GB ram 500W PSU. If not, I would buy AMD Athlon "Venice" ATI X800 1-2 GB ram. This works good with games and gfxmaking to. But it is almost impossible to buy a cheap pc for 3D modelling.


Gaming:

Mobo: PCI-E, SATA, nForce 4.
CPU: AMD Athlon venice/san diego. San Diego for high-end and venice if you want something cheaper.
Videocard: nVidia 6600GT or ATI 9800 PRO. High end: ATI x800xt or 6800GT.
RAM: 1GB is enough. DDR3200.
Display: React time is important! Buy a good 17".


AMD kicks ass in gaming!! Buy a nVidia 6600GT for low end. Or a ATI x800xt or 6800GT(SLI?) for high end. Not much to say, AMD likes low clocked ram. A LCD display with 12ms is okey and not to expensive.

Just some hints what you should buy..
Just tell me what you are gonna use the comp to. >_<
Edit: I was bored, so i made a biiiig update.

[Andross]

Yeah, forgot to say that. If you want that high of absurd resolution, reconsider - you could end up paying between $500 and $1000 dollars. You don't really need that kind of resolution anyway, even if you're doing graphical stuff :/

EDIT: YAHOOOOOOO! ALMOST! My stuff is at the sorting facility, Fort Worth! Maybe it'll come tomorrow! :P

Unless they're nice and drive 3 hours out here and get it to me at 5pm or so <_<

[Andross]

Sorry for the double post, but WOAH! JACKPOT ON A MONITOR HERE!

Samsung 19" LCD 8ms response time 700:1 contrast ratio 300 cd/m2
$309 after rebates XO

And I think I'm getting it. Sweeeeeet >:]
Only downer is no DVI, but I think I can live with that <_<

EDIT: Scratch the think. I just did.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :P:D:D:D

[Elliott]

309USD? That's very good, comes to around 170AUD, and for a 19" LCD, that's great. Samsung as well, means you know you're getting quality, well done Andross <_< .

[Kubjelle]

Andross, on Jun 15 2005, 02:42 AM, said:

Only downer is no DVI, but I think I can live with that <_<

No, you can't, LCD is much better with DVI.
Ahh.. Whatever to late now.

[Andross]

Umm, yes, I can o-o

I read reviews saying it was very sharp, bright, and clear, and could handle fast paced games and movies. There were also thousands of five-star ratings around the net and on newegg as well. So I don't think DVI is going to be THAT big of a loss. What's the advantage anyway? Just clearer image when watching movies and playing games?

EDIT: The only way I could do better is THIS monster <_<

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16824116355

[Izar]

Andross, on Jun 14 2005, 12:18 AM, said:

There are only three boards that will support an AMD Sempron and have a PCI-E slot. So there isn't that much out there...

Can't wait for my crap, lol, only a couple days. Heck, they shipped Sunday, and said 1-2 business days, so I might get it tomorrow !:P

Ha, then again, it might be 7 days. They say business days, but it's a little throw off... I ordered CDs that were sopposed to come in 7 business days, and never got'em till like 12 days...

Quote

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16824116355

Neato... That's the monitor for me. :) Looks like I got alot of saving to do. <_<

[Andross]

Izar, on Jun 16 2005, 06:32 PM, said:

Ha, then again, it might be 7 days. They say business days, but it's a little throw off... I ordered CDs that were sopposed to come in 7 business days, and never got'em till like 12 days...

A business day is 24 hours apparently, because my order tracking information has shown that my parts were shipped during midnight at times <_<

BTW, got my parts a couple days ago, one day EARLY. Take THAT Izar :P
My monitor is shipping, and something funny is going on at the department or something, because it's said "Leaving sort facility" ten times in the row...from the same place...

I hope it gets here on Saturday :/

And now my dream box of DOOM is built! MUWAHAHAHAHA! (Now I just need to install my other programs, since I got all the mobo crap in there :) )

[Izar]

:P Maybe it's cuz I live in the good ol' forested area of Texas.. I heard buisness days are just days all together from when they ship... heh... How far do you live from where they sent it from? <_<

I'm thinking of getting my dad a new video card... What kind do you think I should get him?

[Elliott]

Look first for compatability with his system, and then ask what he wants it for (graphics work, gaming etc.) Then post somewhere where people actual know about graphics cards <_< . Google is always a help too.

[Andross]

Been offline for a bit because nVidia's firewall was blocking my internet, so I spent two days figuring it out :(

Anyway, I got my monitor today, and it's AWESOME. Amazing how much space I have. Halo runs uber-rific, even online. I just need to make sure not to go TOO hard, because the PSU probably can't handle everything going full on, lol :P

Otherwise, working nice. I'm about to start doing a dual-display now even.

Now I have a choice between LX700 keyboard (lower price) or MX3100 (nice laser mouse, but steeper cost). I THINK I have the MX3100 in budget (assuming I'm getting $50 extra that I'm being paid), so I might pick it up at Fry's for instant gratification, lol :P

btw, Izar, it shipped from Memphis (the monitor), and the other parts were from southern California (LA area).

[Elliott]

A keyboards a keyboard. If you have enough money to buy a nice looking one then go for it. My keyboard was about 30AUD, and I've not had a problem with it (this is good considering it's made by Microsoft). Anyway, what I'm saying is, if you have the money, get a sweet keyboard, if not, a generic one really isn't all that bad.

As for a mouse, optical with a cord is good. This way you get the smoothness and reliability of optical, but without having to buy batteries.

[Andross]

The ability to do many of your tasks without shifting your hand from your mouse to keyboard, vice cersa, or only using your keyboard even can be quite handy when Photoshopping, using Dreamweaver, and playing video games. Thus, a keyboard isn't just "a keyboard." There are important things to consider when it comes to efficiency.

In addition, the laser mouse offers supreme accuracy, especially when gaming, and on most any surface (even faux wood laminate, which is what I have). Wireless RF is obviously a good way to unclutter stuff as well. It also lasts "hella lots longer" than most other wireless mouses out there.

[Izar]

Agatio, on Jun 17 2005, 12:59 AM, said:

Look first for compatability with his system, and then ask what he wants it for (graphics work, gaming etc.) Then post somewhere where people actual know about graphics cards :( . Google is always a help too.

I know WHAT to look for, but before i do, do any of ya'll know of any that work great?

[pHantOm]

Like agatio said a keyboard is a keyboard. But for gaming some keys are extra sensative where others are extra hard to push down. For example the windows key...the primary cause of games crashing besides noobs that press f10. But, some keyboards have light up screens etc. Very handy for your night owl gaming and surfing.

[theblueflames]

Hehe, I'm gonna get me a MacMini-
http://www.apple.com

Can't wait, I'm going for the cheapest model as this will be my first .mac, don't wanna spend too much money on something I'm only 89% sure on :wacko:

[pHantOm]

theblueflames, on Jun 28 2005, 08:11 PM, said:

Hehe, I'm gonna get me a MacMini-
http://www.apple.com

Can't wait, I'm going for the cheapest model as this will be my first .mac, don't wanna spend too much money on something I'm only 89% sure on :wacko:

why a mac?

They are good for rendering speeds for video media and design but other than that their lack of software is horrid, many programs used by mac are becoming available on pc. But, its all in preference I guess.

[Andross]

Just get a Pentium system and buy the OSX beta >:]

Izar: Graphics card, right? Assuming you have AGP, the best bang for your buck would be an nVidia 6600 GT. As long as the system is something in the mid-2GHz and higher range / 2400+ and higher, and has 512MB RAM, it should do fine.

[Izar]

Hmmm, thanks. I'll look for them. I'm thinking of a nVidia 6600 GT right now. No need to spend too much, as this computer doesn't doo too much at all exept internet stuff and some gaming. But then again, something with more GHz is always better. I'll search for a price range.

[theblueflames]

I'm getting a mac because I'm super tired of everything crashing all the time. Plus you get Dashboard Widgets, fully integrated drivers, which is REAL Plug & Play, Garage Band, iLife, a better version of Firefox(Not as big as anything before this, but hey, its good right? ;)), and Apple makes the computers themselves, so they know exactly what they're doing, and besides, my favorite game at the moment works on macs anyways(World of Warcraft ^_^).

[Elliott]

The 2 things stopping me from getting a Mac are:

~ Price
~ Application Compatability

I'd need to know for sure that every program I have now runs fine on Macs as well as getting the dosh together to go out and get one. Other than that they look really good.

[theblueflames]

Yeah, my main picture program I use problably won't work...but I can always use Remote Desktop onto my windows when I wanna use that...macs are great because they also are very compatible with Windows.

[Andross]

What apps do you have?

All Adobe and Macromedia products are Mac compatible, but there are very few games, depending on what you have, and I dunno about Norton, but I think there are intergrated apps anyway. But wait until Intel starts making a new proprietary chip for the Macs, because Apple does nothing in the way of upgrade deals.

[Elliott]

Like Max said a while ago, a lot of games need Direct X to run, and Direct X only works with Windows.

[pHantOm]

Macs are for professional designers that have no interest in anything other than design. Other than that, they are worthless in my eyes. Im a gamer and a mod maker.

[theblueflames]

Andross, on Jun 29 2005, 08:19 PM, said:

What apps do you have?

I use a very not popular program thats I got free at Bestbuy for some reason. Its called Micrografx Picture Publisher 7.

[Andross]

I've heard of Micrografx, you're better off using The GIMP, or PAINT.NET

[theblueflames]

I wanna switch over, but it took me long enough to know how to do anything in this one. ^_^

[Andross]

The last update (sorta):

My PSU is now able to handle SLi, as I just upgraded to a Antec 500W SmartPower2. There was also an INSANE deal on a SB Audigy2 ZS Gamer Sound Card - $50 after rebate, originally $130. So basically, I only need to save up $200, then wait a bit for a price drop, and buy the second card to complete my box (and maybe another fan, just in case ;))

[loz]

What I want...WHAT I Want...muwahahaha...and I almost have it all *been saving up* just a few more things and I can buy this whole computer O_O;; from dell...

Pentium® 4 Processor 660 with HT Technology (3.60GHz, 800 FSB)
1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz- 2 DIMMs
160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ Native Command Queuing
Dual Drives: 48x CD-RW Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ double layer write capable
19 inch E193FP Analog Flat Panel
256MB PCI Express™ x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) nVidia GeForce 6800

^^

[Tachyon360]

I'm considering going dumpster diving over the course of the next half-year and pull out every PC I can find, both x86 and PPC. So long as they've got an HDD, a network card, and a cheapo working mobo (with any old integrated video), it's fair game. The cases can be beat up for all I care, and even if some of the crucial components are missing or damaged, I can still use them to cannibalize parts for other PCs. Then, I shall build... *dun dun dun* a 4000-node Beowulf cluster! *lightning crash*

Considering the number of CPUs working in tandem is much more important than the raw power of the the CPUs comprising the cluster, I'd have my own personal supercomputer. Not that it could hold a candle to the top 100 supercomputers in the world, which use lots and lots of really powerful processors, but it would be utterly awesome for CAD modeling (which I have found to be vastly easier than typical 3D modeling, for reasons I have yet to figure out).

I live in a place where finding old junk PCs should be a total non-issue, and I anticipate I'll have plenty of spare time (for once). Obviously I was exaggerating about the 4000 node part, but I am seriously considering putting something of the sort together. Note that I still haven't decided, but I could end up using that as my Senior Project.