[Nemphtis]

There has been a coordinated terrorist attack in London today, it's all over the news. Several bombs exploded in tube stations and buses killing and wounding many. Emergency services shouldn't be called unless it's urgent and police suggest you don't travel unless it's life threatening.

Heads are gonna roll for this shiz.

[Andross]

Just heard when I woke up today - apparently 33 were killed, total casulaties count is not known. I'm either expecting:
1. The British public to use this as a reason to pull out of Iraq
2. The British public to decide it's for their own good to support the Iraq War

[Neo]

The total dead count has risen over 45 by now.
And the latest news is that the European part of Al-Quida are the assasinators. they have claimed the attack in London.

[Someone Else]

Oh, boy. At least you guys weren't hurt. :angry: I'm checking the news now to see what I can learn.

Stay safe, Londoners. :agitated:

[Luna]

I found out when I woke up too. I'm so glad my English friends don't live in London D:.... Except for Anubis. *pets*

[Wiflewood]

Curse them! No one I know was Injured, but still. They exploited the fact that all our security was at Gleneagles, and no-one expected an attack.

[Nemphtis]

We all knew an attack was imininent, and it was obvious they would launch one around this time but nobody thought it would be in London. Well, I'm signing up to the ghetto army to go cap me some crazy ass Afghans & Iraqi's. >=[

[Jeremiah]

Yeah, i heard about it.
It's pretty scary.
I'm scared that something like that will happen to The Netherlands.

[I'm Always BROKE]

No there won't be something like that in the Netherlands don't you worry.
The terrorist only attacked the stations luckly. There are only 37 deaths, Im very sorty that those people died but it could be MUCH worse I think...

[Jeremiah]

Yes but still a life is a lot worth than a million dollars.

I think they are going to attack the country's that helped America.

[GohanDuo]

Terrible how they could do such things! :agitated:
I don't think they'll attack countries like The Netherlands and Belgium...

[Mysterious Adept]

Just Horrible :angry: when will all of this stop, :agitated: i mean it's been going on for a long time now and the death toll is rising not just in london but in other places like iraq.It's madness i tell you MADNESS!!!!!

[Luna]

Hysteria doesn't help either. :O

[Izar]

I see that most people who were in London and against the US going to war are now going.

"Terrorists will fail no matter what," Blair reiterated. He sounds just like our President Bush.

[Nemphtis]

I know this sounds wrong at first glance but seriously, let's just send some Forking planes down there and bomb them into the 25th century.

Fight fire with fire, if they are attacking innocent civilians with hit and run tactics because they believe it is right. Then we can go send some pimped out stealth bombers to hit and run their countries because we believe that's also right.

It's just like a virus, you have to remove ALL of it. You can't just delete some of it and leave the rest, otherwise it will come back, and again, and again. If you kill a terrorist, a new one is trained, if you take out the training camp, a new one is made somewhere else, if you wipe out the faction, a new one is created soon after.

[Elliott]

My thought was to carpet bomb the entire region. That would solve the terrorist issue, but also kill a lot of innocent civilians at the same time.

[Nemphtis]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41279000/jpg/_41279593_bus_top.jpg

That's what happened to the double decker bus after a terrorist blew up the second floor that was packed with people. The roof literally blew 3 metres in the air and then pieces of it was raining down all over the place. The bus was completely packed with people trying to escape back home from the previous explosions. Such cowardly tactics is commonly used by people who have no honor or dignity. So to fight and bomb us for the honor and dignity of their religion is a ridiculous excuse in its own right.

[Excalibur's Power]

Anubis, on Jul 7 2005, 03:52 PM, said:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41279000/jpg/_41279593_bus_top.jpg

That's what happened to the double decker bus after a terrorist blew up the second floor that was packed with people. The roof literally blew 3 metres in the air and then pieces of it was raining down all over the place. The bus was completely packed with people trying to escape back home from the previous explosions. Such cowardly tactics is commonly used by people who have no honor or dignity. So to fight and bomb us for the honor and dignity of their religion is a ridiculous excuse in its own right.

I saw that pic.

That just shows how idiotic these Al-Qeada freaks are. >>

[Nemphtis]

I'm not saying that we should kill them without even blinking an eye but there are times where you must do something that isn't very nice to make sure in the future things are alot nicer.

The people say no war, the people say no terrorism, the people say alot of shiz. Sometimes to get peace you must spill blood, sometimes to get peace you must not. Let us take a look back at history, some religions have many Gods that battled eachother on many occassions. So why is it wrong when we must fight? It's kill or be killed, so we should take action and wipe out the threat before they make their next move.

Imagine if they ever get a hold of a nuke and manage to blow it up in a city. Don't think it's not possible, people thought hijacking planes and smashing them into buildings wasn't possible either. If they ever blow a nuke up in a city then the public will be moaning about how the government should have stopped it. The public always complains no matter what. It's like locking me into a high security prison and then demmanding that I break free, and when I break free demmanding that I sneak back in.

If I was the Prime Minister, I would launch so many SCUD missiles on Afghanistan that they would think it was God himself raining down terror on them. Sometimes you must not be forgiving for the greater good.

[Echo_djinn]

I heard when I was on the bus heading to work.(I carry a small radio with me) Funny how this happened right after London got voted to host the 2012 olympics just the other day.

The bombing must have been planned before hand regardless if London won the vote or not. Names are shooting up about which group is responsible for the attack but nothing can be back up at this point. Lets hope friends and family are ok down there.

[Luna]

...I'm not saying I agree or disagree with you Anubis but:
1) Who would give you the right to do that? Wiping them out sounds like a solution but... that will make even more people complain at you.

2) Wouldn't that cause more war instead of peace?

[Nemphtis]

Sheba, on Jul 8 2005, 12:13 AM, said:

...I'm not saying I agree or disagree with you Anubis but:
1) Who would give you the right to do that? Wiping them out sounds like a solution but... that will make even more people complain at you.

2) Wouldn't that cause more war instead of peace?

1) Well I said if I had the power that's what I'd do.

2) Take out your opponent swiftly and it will show other countries what you are capable of doing if it ever comes down to it. If you destroy Iraq or Afghanistan, do you think the terrorists would be willing to risk everything they are fighting for? If your country is wiped out, you have lost no matter what. Just like the Hiroshima bomb, when they dropped that baby Japan surrendered and everyone else was like "shiz, I ain't Forking with America, those guys have atomic bombs and shiz". Fear is also a way of keeping the peace.

[Andross]

There's a difference between acting quick and with lucidness and acting rashly and emotionally. The latter is how the Nazis got there way mind you. Either people who didn't like them shut up or joined their ranks.

You can't fight fire with fire. Sometimes water IS the best solution - you simply need enough of it (the water being international resolve and support).

There wouldn't be a need to "wipe out" the Mid East (in some peoples minds) if the so-called "international coalition" actually existed.

[Elliott]

Peace talks will get absolutely nothing. Those leaders can sit around a table and talk til the cows come home, but at the end of the day, terrorist exist, and they will bomb, kill, and wreak havoc in civilised countries, based purely on their own fanatical religion. I know peace talks are good in theory, but in practice they will never, ever work. The individuals who do these acts will always exist, and there is no real feasible, and practical solution.

[Andross]

I never mentioned anything about peace talks . . .


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I'm saying that there needs to be much more international support, not the US or UK launching a nuke. It would be more effective to send in more troops to smoke out terrorists SPECIFICALLY, rather than being indifferent and launching a nuke at a crap load of innocents.

[Elliott]

I wasn't aiming my post soley at you Andross :agitated: My point still stands. And yes, sending in more troops may help a little, but you can't "smoke out" every single terrorist, that is impossible. They are still finding their way to Bali and England, it's simply a matter of time before they do something big in America, Australia, or Canada (just examples of other 1st world countries).

[Nemphtis]

Send more troops and watch more men die? Well since I have a Turkish background just so you know you HAVE to go to the army when you're 18 if you are a Turkish citizen. Thankfully I am not officially one so I don't need to go but alot of my relatives went and about 5 members of my family died during active duty.

In war, every death counts. We're in the 21's century, technological warfare is safer, quicker, easier and better than just sending a thousands troops and having a 2year long battle. I'm not saying NUKE them, I'm saying send a couple thousands ballistic missiles down there to show who is boss.

Their morale is high, they switch on the TV to see that they are all over international news and they say to eachother "Haha, we did that yo! We're on the news worldwide cause we bomb the Fork out of America and London and Spain!".

It's not a case of wiping out the leader, why do you think people are still fighting in Iraq even though Saddam has been caught and humiliated? It's common knowledge, assholes attract assholes. You get rid of an asshole and another asshole will replace him. Take out the problem from the root and destroy every asshole so there are no assholes left to take their place.

[My Best Wishes]

Agatio, on Jul 8 2005, 11:53 AM, said:

I wasn't aiming my post soley at you Andross :agitated: My point still stands. And yes, sending in more troops may help a little, but you can't "smoke out" every single terrorist, that is impossible. They are still finding their way to Bali and England, it's simply a matter of time before they do something big in America, Australia, or Canada (just examples of other 1st world countries).

You hit the nail on the head.

They're hitting countries fighting terriosm, America, A big Australian tourist spot in Bail, England.

I don't know what the best course of action is, terroism needs to be stopped but nuking a whole country is idicotic Anubis, i know how you feel. My brother is over there and i thought of him as soon as i heard about it. But beating the crap out of a country isn't the right thing to do.

[Nemphtis]

I didn't say Nuke them for Fork sake, a SCUD missile is NOT a nuke.

[Dullahan]

how stupid are the terrorists. I know lets attack one the key cities in the west, that's really going to stop them bombing the sh*t out of us. Nuke em i say, who cares if civilians die, most of them will only become suicide bombers anyway, they're happy to kill our civilains but it's *morally wrong* to kill theres.

[Nemphtis]

It's not a matter of morals. If it was up to the President or the Prime Minister they would absalutely rape Iraq and Afghanistan. But that's not their main worry, their main worry is to stay in power, and to stay in power you must be liked by the general public, to be liked by the general public you must do what the majority want, and if you always do what the majority want your country will be running around in circles for ever.

Fork taking prisoners, just shoot anyone who is holding anything that can be used or mistaken as a weapon.

[Julian]

all i can say is....
"OmgwtfAnubis"
thank goodness your alive :')
>___>
what has this world come to?
I'm sorta behind a bit, but what's the reason for all this?
<___<
:agitated: purhaps 2012 a heh

[King]

I live in the usa so i would say all these bombings. They effect the whole world. They Drive us all into fear. They think war is right. But they dont understand that peace is better. Still War's kinda help but we lose alot. we lose those who are close to us. It gives us this empty feeling when we know people are dieing all around us.

[Nemphtis]

The biggest effect of terrorism is not the deaths, it's the fear, the paranoia. Everyone knew it was going to happen, everyone knew it was just a matter of time. It's the fear of waiting for that moment, not knowing when, where, how, and who the target may be.

It's not as if they come on guns blazing so you have a chance to run for your life, no. They look just like anyone else, they dress just like anyone else, they walk next to you, they whistle as if they are having a great day, then they reach into their jacket, push that button and boom, their balls have just been launched into the neighbouring street along with various other body parts.

A cowardly and dishonorable way of fighting. The easiest way to describe this is simple. Terrorists are like those little kids who throw stuff at you and hide behind their parents when you are gonna beat them up for it. Everytime you give up they throw something again and repeat the process.

[Andross]

In a late reply:
You don't realize how insufficient the number of troops are in Iraq, do you? You'd be surprised how much easier things would be with some extra fighters, which means more money to share, which means more supplies, which means more safety, and so on and so forth.

There's no need for a friggin' ballistic missile if you have enough troops to overwhelm people. There have been few deaths among the US forces during the Iraq war. It seems like a lot (1000 I believe), but we've been there for almost 3 years. Other major wars we've been in have seen 10000s more after only a couple of years.

Give the soldiers what they need and they can get the job done - no one is willing to believe that though.

[Elliott]

It's not just the middle east. Like I said, terrorst make their way overseas to attack, and good luck catching every terrorist, these fanatical religions spread all over the globe. Sending in more troops to Iraq won't solve anything, just like bombing the hell out of it won't. All it will do is send a message that we have bombs and troops :agitated: . And we all know how far that has got us.

[TheEnglishman]

My sister was in London yesterday and I was worried at first. Luckily she was going on a plane that left before the first bomb had struck.

It's weird how these things go on in Iraq so often and so little is done. But when our country is attacked it is world news.

I certainly hope that this is last we hear from the terrorists but I really doubt that it is.

[Neo]

DiddyKong, on Jul 7 2005, 09:27 PM, said:

No there won't be something like that in the Netherlands don't you worry.
The terrorist only attacked the stations luckly. There are only 37 deaths, Im very sorty that those people died but it could be MUCH worse I think...

You got yourself pretty wrong there, DK.
The Netherlands are quite pro-american. In this country we have a lot of Muslims, but the respect they have here is very low. Muslims don't have that much rights in this country, and they know that. there is a change we will come soon.

[Izar]

Ya'll know the list of countries that may be next? It is said that Canada, France, Germany, or Itlaly would be prime targets.

I agree with Andross, you can't jsut go in and attack rashly, like bombing them. IT would probably be a waste, cuz then we'd have people hating us for it.

Anyways, we(the USA) have had deaths in Iraq, and many injuries. You don't ever here about those helicopters being shot down? And I am worried, I got cousins going in and out of Iraq.

Anyways, Like I said, there's NO WAY to prevent a terrorist attack, you can lower your chances, but they will always have a chance themselves. I heard that from Terrorist Expert Uda something... Some dude from Germany on the news.

[Golden Djinn13]

I think that this attack has only screwed the terrorists even more, because there only getting more and more countries against them as they go around blowing things up, and I know it's only a matter of time before Britain starts getting there troops to go after terrorists.

[Someone Else]

DiddyKong, on Jul 7 2005, 02:27 PM, said:

There are only 37 deaths, Im very sorty that those people died but it could be MUCH worse I think...

37 is actually alot, though there were alot more dead in thr Twin Towers affair.

God... thinking of those towers crumbling down now... it's giving me the creeps. *plays Hordes of Underdark music* It's fits the mood.

I hope that Britian don't think we're dumbasses now. :agitated: It all technically goes back to the United States', so we're really the ones at fault here.

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I think that this attack has only screwed the terrorists even more, because there only getting more and more countries against them as they go around blowing things up, and I know it's only a matter of time before Britain starts getting there troops to go after terrorists.

By the way though, I think the terrorist attack was most likely a message to Britian to "Get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan." so, depending on what Prime Minister Toni Blair wants...

[Golden Djinn13]

The Underground always gave me the creeps every time I got on a train, but anyway, the way I see it is that the more countries the terrorists attack, the more enemies they gain, Until the world is against them.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Mostly the whole world is agains Iraq because America does... I get so sick of that! We never had this problems if Bush wasn't the president... =s

[Nemphtis]

If you bomb the shiz out of a country, they will hate you. But that's all, they will also FEAR you. FEAR is a weapon you cannot Fork with. We're fearing the terrorists and look what it is doing to the world.

Sometimes the most direct approach is the best, and this is one of those times.

[Golden Djinn13]

I agree. We should just bomb them until they wave a white flag. Its the best way to get them to stop, when they know what its like to have your family members in danger. I used to use this approach back in my days of world conquest. I conquered most of Europe, and then I handed my throned over to Napolean, who screwed it up.

[Andross]

Agatio, on Jul 8 2005, 09:28 AM, said:

It's not just the middle east. Like I said, terrorst make their way overseas to attack, and good luck catching every terrorist, these fanatical religions spread all over the globe. Sending in more troops to Iraq won't solve anything, just like bombing the hell out of it won't. All it will do is send a message that we have bombs and troops :agitated: . And we all know how far that has got us.

No, really? I coulda sworn they teleported a bomb onto those rails to blow up the Underground! *sigh*

Agatio, there's always a source, and if you kill the source, you kill the virus. Iraq has become a source because of Bush, unfortunately, but it's still a source nonetheless. If Iraq is left alone, you're better off using a solar sail to hitch a ride to another galaxy, because then the virus will never die.

I also see no rhyme to your reason - didn't you just say we should wipe out the Mid East by carpet bombing the place? But then you just said that bombing Iraq would solve nothing, and it's not only the mid east. Consistency please.

I think you're missing my more general statement, nonetheless - the international community needs to work together. If the US could get the French, Canadians, Australians, Italians, Chinese, Dutch, Swiss - all of these other major countries on board, we would get this "war on terror" crap over with a lot faster.

[Izar]

The death toll is at 49 now, says the news, with some still unaccounted for, and hundreds injured.

[Elliott]

Andross, on Jul 9 2005, 10:07 AM, said:

No, really? I coulda sworn they teleported a bomb onto those rails to blow up the Underground! *sigh*

Agatio, there's always a source, and if you kill the source, you kill the virus. Iraq has become a source because of Bush, unfortunately, but it's still a source nonetheless. If Iraq is left alone, you're better off using a solar sail to hitch a ride to another galaxy, because then the virus will never die.

I also see no rhyme to your reason - didn't you just say we should wipe out the Mid East by carpet bombing the place? But then you just said that bombing Iraq would solve nothing, and it's not only the mid east. Consistency please.

I think you're missing my more general statement, nonetheless - the international community needs to work together. If the US could get the French, Canadians, Australians, Italians, Chinese, Dutch, Swiss - all of these other major countries on board, we would get this "war on terror" crap over with a lot faster.

I was just kidding when I said to carpet bomb it. It would be good I admit, because I'd love to wipe the smirk of those fantatics faces by wiping out millions of their civilians, but like I also said, it won't stop the problem, or virus as you call it. The reason a lot of other countries are staying out is because they think they can avoid becoming a target, and I don't blame them, but the right thing to do would be to band together.

[Golden Djinn13]

Andross, on Jul 8 2005, 07:07 PM, said:

No, really? I coulda sworn they teleported a bomb onto those rails to blow up the Underground! *sigh*

Agatio, there's always a source, and if you kill the source, you kill the virus. Iraq has become a source because of Bush, unfortunately, but it's still a source nonetheless. If Iraq is left alone, you're better off using a solar sail to hitch a ride to another galaxy, because then the virus will never die.

I also see no rhyme to your reason - didn't you just say we should wipe out the Mid East by carpet bombing the place? But then you just said that bombing Iraq would solve nothing, and it's not only the mid east. Consistency please.

I think you're missing my more general statement, nonetheless - the international community needs to work together. If the US could get the French, Canadians, Australians, Italians, Chinese, Dutch, Swiss - all of these other major countries on board, we would get this "war on terror" crap over with a lot faster.

Like Agatio said, many of those countries that you named may not want to join now, because of fear of becoming a target for attacks, even though it would be best for them to join forces and end this whole thing.

[Andross]

You just stated the exact thing that terrorists want - for countries to not help the "war on terror." And that's all the more reason as to why all those countries shouldn't be wimping out, because the terrorists know themselves that if there was an actual coalition against them, they'd be dead meat.

[Elliott]

But like I've said before, there is no possible way to catch every terrorist, no way at all. Islam is a huge religion, that spreads across the globe, with many fanatical follows. There is no way, even with all countries combined, that every single terrorist could be caught, and even in they were, more would appear anyway.

[Izar]

Heh...

Terrorists want less countries to oppose them, but those terrorists jump at the chance to kill them anyways. It's sad, but it's the tuth. Terrorists are a bunch of winers. Even Islamic followers think that the Islamic terrorists are freaks, and have no reason to kill civilians, and killing those civilians is not allowed through the Quran.

[Nemphtis]

True, there's no possible way of catching every terrorist, but there are many ways of making them change their choice of career. >=]

[Andross]

Agatio, on Jul 9 2005, 07:58 PM, said:

But like I've said before, there is no possible way to catch every terrorist, no way at all. Islam is a huge religion, that spreads across the globe, with many fanatical follows. There is no way, even with all countries combined, that every single terrorist could be caught, and even in they were, more would appear anyway.

So because we can't eliminate the whole problem, we shouldn't even try and lessen its effects? The reason more terrorists pop up is because of the head honchos who spew all that propaganda, as well as some lower sections, but terrorists do start off as kids, so it's not like they can pop-up forever, because some generation is going to see the contradictions in Islamic terrorism.

While we probably won't wipe terrorism off the face of the planet, that doesn't mean we can't weaken it to a point where the world can move on and do other stuff, like research energy alternatives.

And on a sidenote: Anyone notice how NOT ONE SINGLE ISLAMIC LEADER has spoken out against the terrorist strike in London? The other reason terrorists keep getting bred is because the higher ups ARE the source of a lot of terrorism. But NOOOO, the US has too much invested in Saudi Arabia and vice versa *rolls eyes*

[Nemphtis]

Who would have thought Islam would be such a pain in the ass. This is one of the many reasons I don't like having religion around my life. Wether I like it or not, another jackass' religion may or may not be the cause of my death. How sad and ironic.

[Izar]

Tone it down a bit Anubis.

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Anyone notice how NOT ONE SINGLE ISLAMIC LEADER has spoken out against the terrorist strike in London?

The "leaders" of Islam did, or their priests, what ever they are called. The believe that killing innocent civilians is not acceptable by the Quran.

[Elliott]

I think that's a little suss. On one hand, maybe it is just the fantatical ones who blow shiz up, but they are doing for their religion, something fishy there no doubt. Because at the same time the religious leaders are denying that the religion condones these acts. I agree with Anubis, and this is another factor that makes me so against religion (of any shape or description).

[Nemphtis]

It's one of those debates, they both read the Quran and they both interprit what is said different, so like one says that it is fine to kill since it says so in chapter 3 etc. but the other side disagrees and says the true meaning of that verse is not to kill but to forgive and crap.

So basically, belive it or not, this all started because a dumbass misread something! :rolleyes:

[Eugine]

Anubis, on Apr 13 2004, 10:46 PM, said:

I wonder what happens when I die, I hope I come back as a black cat, maybe everything will be pitch black..How boring would that be...Ah well, maybe I'll come back as the CEO of Squaresoft 100 years from now =D Oh the possibilities, I hope I do not come back as an evil person, like a religious terrorist, or a suicide bomber >.<

Just had to post that :rolleyes:

Anyways, I got family in London, they called ASAP and said everything was alright. WOW! The relief.

[Andross]

Izar, on Jul 9 2005, 11:14 PM, said:

The "leaders" of Islam did, or their priests, what ever they are called. The believe that killing innocent civilians is not acceptable by the Quran.

Forgot to reply - I thank it's mams? Something with an 'm', but I'm talking about the more higher ups, such as Saudi Arabian officials, leaders of other Arab countries, or even more prominent Arab leaders. I don't think there's been one that has denounced the attacks. They might not condone 'em, but I find it a bit rude that there hasn't been any official announcments from such countries.

[Nemphtis]

Haha, my dad was annoyed on the day of the bombing. When I asked myy cousin why he said my mother called and told him she was okay and ever since then he was really pissed off. :rolleyes:

[Golden Djinn13]

My mom was really worried about her cousin, that usually takes the underground to work, but he stayed home from work, the day of the bombing.

[Echo_djinn]

Hmm I heard on the news that 170 are in the hospital and that 32 or 52 are found dead. Sucks but this will be like a jolt into the brits that even they are not safe from terrorism. No country is safe. Not even Canada :o. Can some good happen from this tragedy? Maybe.

[Golden Djinn13]

I just found out this morning that the terrorist suspects were british, born and raised there.

[Mysterious Adept]

Echo_djinn, on Jul 11 2005, 05:32 PM, said:

Hmm I heard on the news that 170 are in the hospital and that 32 or 52 are found dead. Sucks but this will be like a jolt into the brits that even they are not safe from terrorism. No country is safe. Not even Canada ;). Can some good happen from this tragedy? Maybe.

Darn it i hoped canada would be safe :lol: But there wouldn't be tragedy if something good didn't come out of it

[Golden Djinn13]

Terrorists tried ( yet again) to attack the underground and a bus ( similar to the last attack), but this time they failed. Don't they know, that the same thing can't work twice. :o I pity those fools.

[loz]

i think the terrorists should have an accident and blow themselves up .-.

[Wild Fox]

Seriously...WTF? Why are they bombing LONDON? That has to be the most random and absurd thing ever. I hope those terrorists all die of strep throat.

[pHantOm]

Wild Fox, on Jul 22 2005, 12:34 AM, said:

Seriously...WTF? Why are they bombing LONDON? That has to be the most random and absurd thing ever. I hope those terrorists all die of strep throat.

No its not really, its one of the most multi cultural areas in the world. They are making a statement that no one is their ally and that no one is safe. Just because your not american doesnt mean you wont get attacked. Many of my clan members are british, so I hear alot of how they feel over there and well, as you can guess they are pissed right the hell off lol. I couldnt even understand what Shadow was saying when the first bombings happened he was yelling and so angry...the terrorists have made a mistake. Never, EVER piss off a brit...and they pissed off alot of brits.

[Dullahan]

It's not difficult, London is one of the key cities in Western Society, we should the Australian approach, don't let them unless their going to contribute to the economy.

[Ravenblade]

Yeah, it's getting pretty worrying now...i mean they could keep this up indefinately in London and then we're back in the same kind of situation the IRA had us in. I heard the police shot someone on the tube this morning but who knows if that's true. I can't say that where I live, albeit a major city, im too worried about similar things happening here. No one outside of Britain seems to know of any English cities aside from London.

Still though, i hope they give it up soon...maybe if we did what they wanted and left Iraq it would save a hellova lot of lives on both sides. I mean...why are we still there anyways? What will happen is that the terrorists will keep this up and we wont be able to leave Iraq because if we do it will look like we gave into the terrorists even if our reasons were that we didn't need to be there.

So therefore, we're stuck in that hell hole until someone in the government finaly swallows thier pride (and that of the rest of the country) and lets them win. I don't want to see my family blown up just to say "we were strong and didn't back down from the terrorists". I would rather they were all alive and im sure more people would feel the same way, especially those who HAVE lost someone already.

[Golden Djinn13]

I think that they want to keep attacking london, because they want to start histeria all over britain, making people think that there not safe anywhere, and they want to probably damage Britains economy by destroying the underground. I have a feeling that they planned for this last bombing not to work, just to show britain that they were still around, and that London is still as vunerable as it was 2 weeks ago.

[loz]

I think what there plan is, is bomb most of the major places people move or visit, just to show, if u run from america your not safe here either.

[Ravenblade]

Um...we got bombed because of our involvement in the Iraq war if anything, not because people from the US ran to London. Also possibly cos we re-elected Tony Blair and didn't back down like the Spanish. Apparently they all came from Leeds too so i probably passed them in town a few times...

Anyways i heard that police were chasing another suicide bomber this morning, he tripped and they dived on him. Then they shot him 5 times and killed him. That's kinda...our police don't shoot anyone x_x;; I mean they had to of course cos he could have pulled the trigger and blown everyone up but still...

Nice to see the police on top of things though i guess..

[Golden Djinn13]

Ravenblade, on Jul 22 2005, 03:17 PM, said:

Anyways i heard that police were chasing another suicide bomber this morning, he tripped and they dived on him. Then they shot him 5 times and killed him.
Nice to see the police on top of things though i guess..

I just heard that on the news. The news makes it seem like London is in real chaos right now, and it looks like police are everywhere ( there weren't that many when I went last summer)

[Nemphtis]

I'm too lazy to read previous posts but just incase nobody has said so yet:

The police caught and killed one the terrorists on the day of their failed attempt. The terrorist attempted to run when the police saw him and he tripped and fell. The second he was on the ground civillian-dressed SAS (British Special Forces 'Special Air Services') shot the unarmed terrorist 5 times in the head while he was down to ensure the threat was 100% neutralised.

Pwned.

[Golden Djinn13]

Yep, we already went over that, but still what kind of jackass runs from cops when they're looking for terrorists. Thats just plain stupid :o

[Nemphtis]

If I was that SAS agent I'd get that Glock and cap that biatch in the back of the head until that clip ran out. A standard Glock has 20 clips so go help that terrorist. ;P

[Golden Djinn13]

Leave it to Anubis to kill people :o . Anyway, I have a question for anyone that lives in Britain. What is it like right now, are there police surrounding the trains, and checking bags?

[Izar]

Probably, I'm not British though. But I think that that is what they are doing, like we did. Now I can't bring my pocket knifes when I take a plane somewhere.

[Golden Djinn13]

Izar, on Jul 24 2005, 01:20 PM, said:

Probably, I'm not British though. But I think that that is what they are doing, like we did. Now I can't bring my pocket knifes when I take a plane somewhere.

They barely let anyone bring anything onto planes these days. Last summer when I was going to London, this guy wasn't allowed on the plane because he threw a tantrum, because they didn't let him bring a certain bag on the plane. ( no lie) and this happened at Newark Airport ( where those planes sadly departed on Sept 11)

[Izar]

Yeah. They had to check my mom's purse for about 15 minutes, over and over again. It got really annoying. And I had metal on my shoes one time, and I had to take those off. Lucky I didn't have chains on my pants that day.

[Golden Djinn13]

My shoes had a metal logo on the front and I thought I was gonna get in trouble for that but I didn't, and when we got to London, this security lady started asking us questions like why were in London, and when we told her that we were there for my uncles wedding, she made us show her the invitation. It was crazy.

[Izar]

Lol, when I was little, they almost made me strip naked. They made my grandpa do that because he had a metal plate in his arm.

[Nemphtis]

Golden Djinn13, on Jul 24 2005, 03:06 PM, said:

Leave it to Anubis to kill people  :D . Anyway, I have a question for anyone that lives in Britain. What is it like right now, are there police surrounding the trains, and checking bags?

There are armed officers stationed at each train station, civillian-dressed SAS operatives crawling all over and Britains largest manhunt is going down, the police are gathering clues so rapidly it's shocking. They are bringing down a law that will give the police the freedom to search whoever they please whenever they please, no warrants or anything.

There are bombs being reported in every week, many of them are just mistakes though, people are paranoid now so everytime they see a bag they report it as a bomb.

[Izar]

Wow, no warrants? That's one of the reasons we started the revolution way back in the day. :D That's something they wont take from us. Anyways, we have cut back though on our "red alert" state, which occured around the time of the 9/11 attacks. But we are still too strict. My poor, poor pocket knives. :(

[Nemphtis]

Haha, since we're going Turkey this Tuesday we packed our bags right, my mum searched my bag for knives etc. since I always try to sneak something through. Last time I took a pellet gun to pieces to smuggle it through but it turns out my mum took it out at the last minute. It's always fun to try and sneak stuff through an airport, it's amazing how easy it is really.

[Izar]

It used to be easy here. But now, We cant, they check it all by hand as well as by computers. :D

[Eugine]

Isn't that a good thing for your safety? And yeah, when I visited USA they had extra tight security (that was last year) --- It was a BUMMER.

[Izar]

Last year was nothing compared to the months following 9/11. Geez, it was horrible. I know it's for safety, but it's jsut annoying sometimes.

So what is the actual death toll in those london attacks? Last I heard, it was like 49 or something...

[pHantOm]

It was 40-45 I believe, doing the math...

We lost 66.666 times more people in 1 attack then you guys lost in 2. Consider yourselves very fortunate. =/ Harsh to say yes but atleast alot of countrys realize now that just because your not american doesnt mean you wont be attacked by what these people call "Terrorists" I prefer the term suicidal maniacs.

[Ravenblade]

um, we lost about 56 in total i think. Also, we've used to this kinda thing, we had the IRA for 20 years and they were much worse (so far) than al qaeda have been to us. Funny how the US didnt care when we were dealing with Irish terrorists x_x

Apparently the guy that the police shot dead was innocent. He didn't have a bomb on him or anything. I totally understand why they had to do it but it's a real tragedy. He shouldnt have run away ._.

[Golden Djinn13]

I had a feeling that the guy they shot, was innocent. He probably freaked out and started running when the cops tried to stop him.

[Izar]

pHantOm, on Jul 25 2005, 03:36 AM, said:

It was 40-45 I believe, doing the math...

We lost 66.666 times more people in 1 attack then you guys lost in 2. Consider yourselves very fortunate. =/ Harsh to say yes but atleast alot of countrys realize now that just because your not american doesnt mean you wont be attacked by what these people call "Terrorists" I prefer the term suicidal maniacs.

How is that more?

The fatalities were in the thousands: 265 on the planes; 2,595, including 343 firemen and 60 New York City and Port Authority police officers, in the WTC; and 125 at the Pentagon. At least 2,985 people were killed in total. - Wikipedia.

[Golden Djinn13]

Wikipedia is always the best for info :D

I never knew that many people died in the WTC, I thought it was around 1900 at the most. Its really sad that all those innocent people get killed for something, they had nothing to do with.

[Izar]

I :D Wikipedia

Yeah. Terrorists are stupid. They think bombing countries is gunna scare people, but all it does is make them even more angry.

wow, found something on the chumhost site.

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The police have admitted that the man they shot wasn't a suicide bomber and had no connection with the bombings. He lived in the same block of flats as a man police had under surveillance following Thursday's attacks and was wearing a padded jacket (a bomber jacket? sorry, bad taste) on a warm summer's morning. Apparently he may have panicked when confronted by police, run away, tripped and was then shot five times in the head by one officer.
London Metropolitan police have a shoot-to-kill policy for suspected suicide bombers. They shot at the head because there is "no point in shooting at someone's chest because that's where the bomb is likely to be. There is no point in shooting anywhere else if they fall down and detonate it.
The man, Jean Charles de Menezes, was a Brazilian electrician who had been living in England legally for 3 years.
Interestingly, one witness described the man as being of Asian appearance and another said they saw him wearing a belt with wires strapped to it, highlighting the way people can jump to false conclusions.
The information was taken from the Sydney Morning Herald, 25 July, 2005.

[Nemphtis]

Ravenblade, on Jul 25 2005, 01:37 PM, said:

Apparently the guy that the police shot dead was innocent. He didn't have a bomb on him or anything. I totally understand why they had to do it but it's a real tragedy. He shouldnt have run away ._.

The government officially announced the Brazillian man who was shot 5 times in the back of the head while unarmed in public had nothing to do with the bombings. Oh well, that'l teach him to run when he hasn't done anything, I'd have shot him too if I told him to stop and he started running like a retard. Apaprently his family is suing the government.

[Eugine]

That's dumb, they wouldn't win.

If he didn't had anything to hide he'd of just stay there.

When you run you seem guility and now is NOT time for any UK person to be kidding around, like the police.

[Ravenblade]

The media here is still going on about these attacks. The terrorists were british nationals with our countries education etc.. One of the men who wanted to "die for islam" had been previously convicted of muggings and smoking cannabis..

Worryingly though, a ot of people are now saying we should review Britain's stance on the human rights convention and stop letting asylum seekers into the country. Some are even suggesting that we deport all muslims. (we have hundreds of thousands of muslims here). It's really unfortunate that a few individuals are causing all this but i do understand people's reactions.

With that in mind though, we have dealt with far worse than Al Qaeda. The IRA killed about 3000 people in their stint of terrorism and they were actually funded by the US..so much for the war on terror business :) Anyways my point is that in the end we negotiated with them and things have settled down. Im aware that the goverments are saying that this is nothing to do with Iraq, but maybe if we did what they wanted and left the country alone they would stop focusing on us. If the US would stop policing the world, maybe they'd leave you guys alone too. I mean, they weren't always like this were they? We stuck our noses in and have had them bitten off.

[Golden Djinn13]

I agree with one thing. The U.S does act like we countrol the world. I bet it started after the Soviet Union fell. But I bet if we were to stop acting like a school principle to the other countries, maybe the terrorist attacks may decrease.

[Eugine]

And like Raven say, stop world policing and interferring with risky problems thats not your own.

[Izar]

Ravenblade, on Jul 28 2005, 07:26 AM, said:

The media here is still going on about these attacks. The terrorists were british nationals with our countries education etc.. One of the men who wanted to "die for islam" had been previously convicted of muggings and smoking cannabis..

Well, there's your answer, heh.


Golden Djinni, I don't think that that would stop them. Even if we didn't own, they still hate other countries, religions, people, and all that.

[Golden Djinn13]

well then, I guess the only other option is to BLOW THEM ALL UP!!!!!!!!!! They obviously don't value life, if there going around and blowing them selves up and bringing other people with them, then I guess it's the only answer to defend ourselves.

[Eugine]

That is so low Golden Djinn...

Why will you want to take someone's life? Don't degrade yourself to their standards.

[Ravenblade]

Once the oil runs out of the middle east the region will wane. But that shouldnt be for a few decades yet. And you know, i think that if we did leave them alone and let them "win" they would probably go back to blowing up each other. They had no problem with us at all until we started trying to solve their problems for them. If they wanted to erode our culture and way of life, how come they arent attacking places like China? Because China left them alone!

The politicians obviously want to make it look like Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with it (along with all the meddling we did before then - first gulf war *cough*) because that would mean they were wrong. We're now in this stupid situation because both sides are too proud to step back, even if it saves the lives of thousands. I mean realistically, what are we going to do? We can't stop them by force!! Therefore this will go on and on resulting in death after death until someone in the west finally says "no" and gives in.

[Golden Djinn13]

Eugine, on Jul 29 2005, 09:44 PM, said:

That is so low Golden Djinn...

Why will you want to take someone's life? Don't degrade yourself to their standards.

I was kidding, I would never lower myself to their standards.

To what RB is saying, I think it could happen. When they run out of oil it's all over, and I also agree that if we did leave them alone, that we wouldn't have any problems with them, but our leaders want to prove that they have the best army in the world, and they think if they defeat them, then they will gain a new territory.

[Andross]

Oil won't run out until either 2050 or 2100 barring some miraculous technology which ends oil dependence early. That's another few decades to a whole century of feuding. I don't think anyone would want to wait out that long.

[Izar]

Believe it or not, on the history channel, loosing oil may be faster than that, more like 2030 or so.

Anyways, I think what we are doing is about all we can do. My cousins were over there, they at first were like others "pull out of the war" but now, they said the people over there need us bad.

[King]

Well i think this war is just a waste. I mean why do you need to prove you have the best army? All wars do is cause fear and other crap. I know that i will never belive in war. This just sickens me, those heartless people killing innocents

[Izar]

Fear... I love that word.

Hearless people killing innocents? Well, If some one shoots at me, I hardly call that innocent.

[Golden Djinn13]

The word fear makes me hungry....mmmm, cheesesteak.

Anyway, I think that they are heartless, and this war is proving to be useless. We should discuss our issues. Thats what the freakin United Nations is for. :)

[Andross]

The UN is corrupted and full of money grubbing bastards. That place needs to be overhauled, because otherwise, it's impossible to successfully talk using them anymore.

On a sidenote: BASTARDS ISN'T A BAD WORD. Sheesh. Something like fuck is bad, so cover up the holes in that filter please.

[Izar]

The son of a fatherless child, the son of a harlot.

Can be bad. :)

Anyways, Bush got a new Ambassador for the UN, I forget who, but thanks to some few democrats(i'm not a democrat OR a republican OR a repo man :angry: ) he was able to bypass congress in doing so. I don't think he's going to be good, mainly because he looks strange.

[Simply_Dark]

Oh boy, the situation keeps getting "better" and "better". Bush is trying to put into powerful positions ones he knows personally, so there's no way anyone can rebut his decisions. Anyway, I don't think most of the blame of everything that happened throughout these years, is associated to Bush's actions. That secretary of his (I don't remember her name, the black woman with the fake smile), she's the one that has been "sticking" things into Bush's head. Of course, that's just my opinion...

[Andross]

Condoleeza Rice is fine . . . it's Karl Rove that I have a problem with.

[Echo_djinn]

Andross, on Aug 2 2005, 12:34 AM, said:

The UN is corrupted and full of money grubbing bastards. That place needs to be overhauled, because otherwise, it's impossible to successfully talk using them anymore.

On a sidenote: BASTARDS ISN'T A BAD WORD. Sheesh. Something like fuck is bad, so cover up the holes in that filter please.

UN and North america are both money grubbing save the Queens as you stated but back on track.

My co-workers where all scared when this happened because they figured that Canada would be the next target for any terrorist attack. Now I can see why they could be worried and I don't disagree that it can't happen but what can anyone gain from bombing Canada except maybe slowing down the trading business with other countries.

[Jai]

I'm not really into politics but i will say this NO GOVERNMENT CAN BE TRUSTED NOT EVEN OUR OWN and if any one would like to know what i mean i suggest you try looking for a website called letsroll911.org or something to that affect im not saying the things on that website are true but i just saying that it's pretty convincing.

[Izar]

Andross, on Aug 2 2005, 05:15 PM, said:

Condoleeza Rice is fine . . . it's Karl Rove that I have a problem with.

Rice? Not really...

Canada isn't really a "next target" It's one of the few that may be targeted next, and it probably will due to the fact that canada has close relations to the US>

letsroll911.org - The people who made it hate bush completely and think everything he has done was a conspiracy or some other thing. Even his poll is biased. Both answers on "no" make whoever voted it sound dumb.

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No, 911 was carried out by Usama and his 19 Cave Dwelling Templar Terrorists

I mean what the heck?

[Eugine]

Condoleeza Rice is much better than anyone from the Democrats anyways.

Like I said, everything thats happening to them is because of them so don't blame nothing but yourself.

Do you see that anytime someone does anything with the US they turn up regreting they did it?

[Andross]

Izar, on Aug 3 2005, 01:42 PM, said:

Rice? Not really...

As Eugine said, better than any other damn person we could get - Colin Powell was still a lot better.

[Mallick]

Izar, on Aug 3 2005, 02:42 PM, said:

Canada isn't really a "next target" It's one of the few that may be targeted next, and it probably will due to the fact that canada has close relations to the US>

Canada? No way. We're the big friendly country.

..That'll snap one day.

Kidding.

Seriously though, if we were attacked, we'd be screwed. I mean, we buy our submarines from other countrys garage sales..and then they sink.

Edmonton mall has more submarines than the canadian forces.

I do say, we'll be screwed.

[lifeform287]

Piers diamondberg master, on Aug 4 2005, 11:45 PM, said:

Canada? No way. We're the big friendly country.

..That'll snap one day.

Kidding.

Seriously though, if we were attacked, we'd be screwed. I mean, we buy our submarines from other countrys garage sales..and then they sink.

Edmonton mall has more submarines than the canadian forces.

I do say, we'll be screwed.

Amen to that. On that day, Canada will be split in two. People praying to god that a miracle happens, and the other half doing something about it.

[Eugine]

HMM? Canada is too peaceful IMO to be attacked for some good reason. That's just my opinion though, terrorists wouldn't think that though :o

[Andross]

Canada won't be attacked because they aren't really involved with the Middle East/Iraq War, and I don't think they have ever been.

[Unicornmaddy]

Wind Dude, on Jul 7 2005, 04:10 PM, said:

Oh, boy. At least you guys weren't hurt. ^_^ I'm checking the news now to see what I can learn.

Stay safe, Londoners. :ph34r:

Bless you Winddude... :ph34r: My auntie and uncle live quite near where the bombings took place and even worst my friend's dad was caught up in the blast however he's fine and is back in Bristol.

Jeremiah, on Jul 7 2005, 09:22 PM, said:

Yeah, i heard about it.
It's pretty scary.
I'm scared that something like that will happen to The Netherlands.

Don't you worry it's highly unlikly that Iraq will be planning to bomb places like The Netherlands and France...

Mysterious Adept, on Jul 7 2005, 10:22 PM, said:

Just Horrible :(  when will all of this stop,  :ph34r: i mean it's been going on for a long time now and the death toll is rising not just in london but in other places like iraq.It's madness i tell you MADNESS!!!!!

I have to say the USA is being very supportive of us and I thank you. At least though those dud bombs didn't hurt anyone and they've caught the perpatrators

Anubis, on Jul 7 2005, 11:24 PM, said:

I know this sounds wrong at first glance but seriously, let's just send some Forking planes down there and bomb them into the 25th century.

Fight fire with fire, if they are attacking innocent civilians with hit and run tactics because they believe it is right. Then we can go send some pimped out stealth bombers to hit and run their countries because we believe that's also right.

It's just like a virus, you have to remove ALL of it. You can't just delete some of it and leave the rest, otherwise it will come back, and again, and again. If you kill a terrorist, a new one is trained, if you take out the training camp, a new one is made somewhere else, if you wipe out the faction, a new one is created soon after.

:blink: Never mind...
As Tony Blair said they did these bombings to worry us but we've learnt that nothing comes out of worrying. It's like what America learnt when September 11th struck, we need to carry on with our lives and although we cannot forget what tierney those twats caused us we cannot live in fear that the next day will be a day where we're going to be blown to bits by some bomb that was worn by an Iraqi suicide bomber...

[Eugine]

Well, I agree. People in the affected countries need to live a normal life, but still be cautious about things that are going on with them.

It will be hard for people to live a normal life, but like someone said in a previous post ( can't remember who, think it's Anubis though) living in fear is the worst thing possible.

[Golden Djinn13]

It is hard to live a normal life these days (in america), when people are always afraid of a terror attack and with that terrorist alert system ( don't know what it is called exactly), and everytime it elevated, more people start to panic, and I noticed it always raises after another country gets attacked.

[Ravenblade]

At least the goverment has started deporting the people who were openly prasing the suicide bombers. They threatened that if we hadnt withdrawn by the 16th of August (I think - somewhere about that time) that they would strike again so chances are there'll be some kind of scuffle soon. I cant believe people can be so stupid as to get brainwashed into it. They had some guys on the news recently who were clearly western (Australian in the instance i saw) who were fighting for Al Qaeda. That's all we need, that means we have to treat everyone as a suspect :blink: I still say we should do what they want.

[Golden Djinn13]

Then you guys would basically be giving into bullying, and thats not right. You should deport all those maniac fanatics. They are the type that will do another suicide bombing, if you don't take care of them now.

[Ravenblade]

This is a little more serious than bullying...and if we give into it, maybe it'll stop. You have to remember that we started this, not them. (Technically). If we left them alone, it would save lives...well maybe it wouldnt, but we stand more chance than if we continue to give them reasons to attack us

[Golden Djinn13]

I guess you have a point. I think that all the strong countries should stop acting like they own the rest of the world and focus on there problems at home, like maybe taxes or welfare.

[Unicornmaddy]

It's all Sadam Hussians fault that his country's like that. But as my mum said the only reason he ruled like that was because it was the only way to keep his country under control. Well I personally think that he could've of ruled it differently but I can't, unfortunatly, change my mum's mind...

[Golden Djinn13]

People just have diffrent ways of doing things, like he thought fear could keep people under control while another country may think that giving people what they want will keep them loyal and under control, so you can't really fault him for his beliefs ( or can we :D )

[Izar]

Andross, on Aug 5 2005, 03:00 PM, said:

Canada won't be attacked because they aren't really involved with the Middle East/Iraq War, and I don't think they have ever been.

The reason those terrorists hate them is because they are like us, as in, socially they are kinda like the US.

[Kwesi]

Dam terrorsits blowin stuff up and crashing planes. they should drop a bomb on the terrorists treefort.

[Izar]

Well, the terrorists are almost gone, but Bush says they aren't. Oh well, I voted for Willy Nelson. :D

Everyone heard that Israel(Not Me!) Is moving outta the Gaza Strip... now who said that that fighting there would never end... ya ya, there still is fighting and some terrorism there...

[Unicornmaddy]

Golden Djinn13, on Aug 16 2005, 11:46 PM, said:

People just have diffrent ways of doing things, like he thought fear could keep people under control while another country may think that giving people what they want will keep them loyal and under control, so you can't really fault him for his beliefs ( or can we :D )

You have a very good point there. either way we can't change anyone's mind about these things...

[Ravenblade]

A lot of people are predicting that Britain is in for the long haul with these people like we were with the IRA - 20 or 30 years...i dunno if it'll be that long though.

They threatened to hit us again sometime this week if we hadnt moved out of Iraq but that doesnt seem to have happened.

That guy they shot at the tube station though, it turns out that the police were really jumpy and that he wasnt doing anything suspicious. He had a thin coat on that couldnt possibly have hid explosoves and he didnt run - they dived on him and shot him about 17 times. I guess that's the effect terrorism has...

[Nemphtis]

There's a new law. We can now legally kick out anyone who likes what the terrorists are doing out of our country. Yaaay, we're being bossy and shiz. -_-

[cyberRoll]

our cousin was just visiting from london.
a few days after the bus bombing her sister called from london
she said that she was running to catch a bus but it left without her.
SO she got on the next bus. after she boarded she was watching the bus that just left. Sudenly that bus she had JUST missed exploded to think she was running so frantickly to catch a bus that was foing to explode. What a strrange twist of fate.

[Izar]

We got a law like that too Anubis, yet it's not a law, we just shoot'em. ^_^

But really, we already had laws to kick them out, or send them to jail to eat crappy food. Or death penalty if they get away with it.