[Zaffa Dot Xom]

Let us start out with that Tingle RPG that was mentioned before.

Then move slowly onto the Princess Peach game.

Ready?

GO!

[Sea of Time]

Errr...what is this topic about? I think we've all agreed that Nintendo might take risks, but they end up for the most part in their benefit.

[Zaffa Dot Xom]

C'mon, I'm sure there's some welled-up thoughts that you might not have mentioned yet that incoporate well into the whole conspiracy of their flippage.

Okay, fine, I'll start with my own thoughts;

You do know how politics are usually screwed up these days, right? And how most of it is ruled under the thumb of a daddy's boy? Well, I was talking to my stepdad during one of our "family debates", and he mentions that Bush is not ruling the government; it's the rich, anonymous, and sinister people in the background running the whole show.

So, even though it may sound crazy, I suspect that someone is working in the background of the Nintendo industry to help bring down the company and make only Sony and Microsoft known as the truest legions of the gaming industry.

Let's take back on how, right after the Atari, Nintendo came in with the multimillion dollar arcade game Donkey Kong. Soon afterwards, they began to bring Donkey Kong to the homefront, with the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES).

Fast-forward to 2005, most of the gaming community is debating and arguing on how Nintendo sucks so bad. One might say that they're following right behind the footsteps of where Sega treaded to their doom, and remained as a minor software company.

So, sure, Nintendo's ideas for a new line of games may seem drug-influenced, but from generation after generation, Nintendo's goal was to be unique; whether or not if it was strange or really good. I mean, if you look at Mario back then, it was something every kid or teenager wanted to do and wanted to play in their spare time, other than paper-and-pencil role-playing.

Now, as you look at Mario, you begin to develop the idea that he's starting to rott. That's where Nintendo's trying to develop on; they're more worried about their overlooked star player than anything else, because they've been getting negative feedback on how childish or old or spontaneous he is. I mean, I can't even wear my Mario shirt to school without people flashing what seems to not be a rude comment, but subliminally, it is.

So, even if I sound like I'm rooting for Mario, I'd like to say that, yes, they need to work more on other things than him. I mean, they can live without him for about 1 or 2 years so they can focus more and more on other games, or developing a new series to the Nintendo all-star roster.

[Blink]

I think you're crazy alright. Nintendo's dominating the handheld industry, and at the same time, proving that software makes a console sell more than hardware, where PSP is more powerful, but being outsold.

Fast forward to 2007/8, Nintendo's Revolution has been out for a year or two, and it's destroying the industry Sony and Microsoft tried to keep alive. No one wants to play games on the 360 or PS3 because the controls are so limited, and the developers prefer working with Nintendo's cheap console. If the consumers are going for the Revo, and the developers are going for the Revo, that's called a monopoly. I think Nintendo's actually started using their brain again, and they take a lot of risks, but really, it's always something they know people will love. Everyone loves a Mario platformer, Mario Parties keep on getting bought very well, Tingle is a hit in Japan, and Princess Peach was probably begging for her own game after Luigi in Japan. I think that durring the gamecube time, about a year after release, Nintendo lost it, couldn't think of what else to do, felt limited by their own creation. The gamecube is exactly what the Xbox 360 is, just a big upgrade of the previous console. Somehow, that worked for Sony with it's infinite 3rd parties, but for Nintendo and Microsoft, I just don't think that will work. I dunno, but from the way I see it, someone's gonna fall out, and it's certainly not Nintendo.

[Someone Else]

The way I see it, at this rate if any console is going to fall, it would be Xbox. I'm going to get flames for that but...

The Xbox has a good amount of shooters and sports games, but noticeably lacks in, well, everything else. Plus, practically all of their games are rated M. Really, what self-respecting, video game savvy parent would get his 8-year-old kid an Xbox?

As for if Nintendo are old bonkers, look at the DS. It's rocking like Guns n Roses in an 80's concert (pardon my metaphor) this month, and will continue to rock through December, and probably for the rest of year as far as I can see.

[Nemphtis]

Blink, on Nov 24 2005, 12:43 AM, said:

I think you're crazy alright. Nintendo's dominating the handheld industry, and at the same time, proving that software makes a console sell more than hardware, where PSP is more powerful, but being outsold.

Actually, my clueless companion. The PSP had the highest sales ratio out of ANY handheld ever to hit the UK market. As for outside of the UK, keep in mind that the DS wsa released MONTHS before the PSP. Obviously it's going to sell more, durrr.

I swear, freakin Nintendo wh0res really get on my nerves as days go by.

[Blink]

Anubis, on Nov 23 2005, 07:06 PM, said:

Actually, my clueless companion. The PSP had the highest sales ratio out of ANY handheld ever to hit the UK market. As for outside of the UK, keep in mind that the DS wsa released MONTHS before the PSP. Obviously it's going to sell more, durrr.

I swear, freakin Nintendo wh0res really get on my nerves as days go by.

I wasn't talking about England. I'm talking about worldwide. And they both launched in Japan at the same time, which was their first launch. Sony was just slower to spread their product throughout the world. Really, I'd like to post stats and stuff, but a half hour later and I can't find any numbers(not even ones that disagree with me) on google, so if someone else wouldn't mind finding worldwide sales of both portables in the last month, maybe we can figure this one out...

I'm actually not surprised at the PSP has broken a record in UK sales, considering the Nintendo DS did the exact same thing when it launched. Portables are apparently getting very popular over there now.

Just, go take a look at what the guy at VGCats has to say(second news post) and I'd say that says most of what the DS is going through right now.

[Eugine]

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I'm actually not surprised at the PSP has broken a record in UK sales, considering the Nintendo DS did the exact same thing when it launched. Portables are apparently getting very popular over there now.

... If the PSP broke the newly extablished record the DS had (so you say), what does that tell you about the PSP?

[Zaffa Dot Xom]

Eugine, on Nov 24 2005, 03:31 AM, said:

... If the PSP broke the newly extablished record the DS had (so you say), what does that tell you about the PSP?

It could mean two things (unless I'm completely wrong);

•Sony produces sales in the UK, because of savvy people (like Anubis).
•Unless I'm wrong, the Queen administrates what goes in and what goes out of England.

[Sea of Time]

Could Nintendo be lying through their teeth? I can prove that they are, listen to this:

In this month's Nintendo Power magazine, a reviewer of Mario Kart DS said, and I quote, "the graphics exceed all expectations as well-the visual representation of the levels, vehicles and cinematics approach that of the N64."
Wait a sec, before the DS came out Nintendo was bragging that the DS would be better than the N64 in the graphics department, did Nintendo lie, or was it a stretch of the truth?

[Zaffa Dot Xom]

I never really heard about that.

I always thought that the DS would look like the N64's graphics. I mean, look at the GBA; it had SNES graphics. So, it's natural to know how Nintendo implements almost the same type of graphics into their new generation products.

[Sea of Time]

And yet, they can't even live up to their own standards. Kind of pathetic, actually.

[Someone Else]

Sea_of_Time, on Nov 24 2005, 02:58 PM, said:

Could Nintendo be lying through their teeth? I can prove that they are, listen to this:

In this month's Nintendo Power magazine, a reviewer of Mario Kart DS said, and I quote, "the graphics exceed all expectations as well-the visual representation of the levels, vehicles and cinematics approach that of the N64."
Wait a sec, before the DS came out Nintendo was bragging that the DS would be better than the N64 in the graphics department, did Nintendo lie, or was it a stretch of the truth?

First: Do you have a DS?

Second: Have you seen, or better yet, played Nintendogs? I was disappointed with the graphics on Mario Kart DS, but Nintendogs looked great. I'm positive that the graphics in Nintendogs exceeded that of N64.

[Blink]

Nintendogs was the equivalent of a broader audience "Hey you Pikachu"

It had incredible graphics because it was limited as to what was happening on the screen, and it was slow moving. But, Hey you Pikachu had a major advantage, it came out near the end of the N64's life, so it looked a lot better...right?...right?

Lets see:
http://www.viewz.com/games/images/pikachu242.jpg

http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/594/594705/nintendogs-20050309005427742.jpg

Huh. I'd say Nintendogs wins, for better texturing, better shadows, and better animation, though it has a wee few more polygons. The final verdict? Nintendo 64 pwns the DS at polygons, but the Nintendo DS pwns the N64 at everything else graphics wise. So, I'd say that the DS does in fact surpass the N64, considering it's early games look about as good as the N64's late end games. Maybe not Majora's mask, but the DS could probably surpass Paper Mario two fold.

[Zaffa Dot Xom]

Then again, it's not about the graphics people; you take one look at gameplay, and your opinion will change for the better.

Then you will be sorry. Ho ho ho ... *cough*

[TheEnglishman]

I don't think the DS should be judged just yet. I think people should start saying, 'Is better than this?' when more stuff has been released for it. I know that it's been out for a while but I would wait until later to judge it.

[Sea of Time]

The system's been out for a while now, and it hasn't picked up much steam until now, I think we should be allowed to criticize it's flaws.

[Lemontime]

The DS's flaws?
Why not the PSP's flaws? The PSP is poorly built. Hence the dead pixels and easy to break UMD Drive.

Please list the DS's flaws (Keeping the price difference in mind).

[Blink]

Sea_of_Time, on Nov 25 2005, 01:15 PM, said:

The system's been out for a while now, and it hasn't picked up much steam until now, I think we should be allowed to criticize it's flaws.

What do you mean? Less than a year after release, and it's getting what might be the best games of it's life. Things picked up in July with Meteos and Kirby, and they won't stop until Christmas, then they'll shoot up again in March with Hunters and more. Really, it's been picking for almost 6 months. And out of a 12 month lifespan? That's pretty freaking good.

[Sea of Time]

I still think Nintendo could have done better. But, they have done well with what they have. May I just say that Polarium is the sweetest puzzle game ever and dare I say it, kicks Meteos butt. If Nintendo had upped the graphics to a higher level, I would buy this system. Right now though, it's just an N64 with WiFi in my mind.

[Blink]

Really? You don't notice the mic, two screens, or touch screens when you look at the DS? Or the fact that it's a portable? Just, an N64 with Wifi?

Either way, Nintendo's doing better with the DS than they did with the gamecube and GBA, in my opinion.

[Sea of Time]

I see every feature on the DS other than WiFi as a gimmick. That's just my opinion on it, you guys can think what you want.

[Blink]

Considering that the two screens on the DS make Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, and Metroid Hunters all far more enjoyable, I'd say it's a plus. It's said that you couldn't imagine playing Animal Crossing without a touch screen after Wild World, so I'm thinking that'll be the best example. The mic, I think so far we could do without, but if it's put into a Wifi game for voice chat...

So do you think the same of the Revo controller?

[Sea of Time]

I'm slightly less biased towards the Revolution controller because you can get a Gamecube controller shell. This doesn't mean that I wouldn't want to use the "remote control" controller eventually, but I can break myself into the Revolution with the GC Shell. Anyways, FPS's with that controller? Incredible possiblities.

[Blink]

Ah, I see, and the whole Dual screen thing on the DS makes you feel forced to use both of them? So, you'd probably like it more if you had DS games that only used one screen, for you to adapt, and break you in to the system.

[Sea of Time]

Basically, yeah. There must be a transition between gaming as we know it and total revolution (THE Revolution). The DS is that transition. People are somewhat ready for change and with the Revolution coming, I think Nintendo did the best job they possibly could system-wise to get us ready for the next generation.

[Someone Else]

May I start, SoT, by pointing out that you said that you'd be embarassed to walk into the theatre to watch Harry Potter: The Goblet of Fire despite it being rated PG-13 (13+) in so many other countries.

*pauses for effect* B)

So, in this way, does it mean that you think that it's cool to disagree with Nintendo like so many other people? You're being pretty damn stubborn in my opinion.

Really, when Nintendo says that two screens are better than one, well they're pretty damn right. Mario Kart DS used the bottom screen superbly, for example. The bottom screen's map is just so dang detailed that you could drive using that and not even have to look at the top screen if you really wanted to. Sometimes, it pays to look at the bottom screen every now and then, to watch for any traps up ahead around that corner coming up that you wouldn't have seen otherwise is just onme example.

Anyway, it wouldn't have been possible to make such a detailed map if the DS just had one screen. Think about it, would you rather have a small, un-detailed map that only shows the route of the track and cars on the same screen that you use to drive, or would you rather have a big, detailed map on the bottom screen that shows the cars, traps, location of power-ups, terrain, boosters, etc. while you use the top screen to drive?

About the touch screen. Great games like Nintendogs wouldn't have been possible without it; interaction between the game and the player is so much more, well, awesome when you can actually "touch" things. Like Nintendo said, "Touching is good." (but don't take that the wrong way lest you want to get in jail for sexual harrasment) I admit that games like Mario 64 DS should've used the Touch Screen less... it just got a little annoying when I had to take out the stylus, thinking, "Can't I just use the D-Pad to do this instead?! I mean, I'm just going to put it away and use the D-Pad instead when this is done..." but that's okay, since Nintendo seems to get the idea now that even if the Touch Screen is cool and convenient at times, it has it's moments where the traditional D-Pad is still suited better.

I think you should just get off your butt, get a pen and a piece of paper, and write down "Nintendo DS + Mario Kart DS" on your Christmas list. =P You'll be happy you did, honestly.

[Blink]

Definately agree there, pick up a DS and Mario Kart, and it'll last you a good long time.

[Eugine]

Did any of you even use a PSP? Trust me, it's superior to a DS in my honest opinion. True the DS has some good games out now, like MK DS (which I have not played yet), but the PSP has games I'm looking foward to which is much more captivating than the DS.

I really don't want a simple gaming machine anymore, that's why the GC lost to the PS2 and Xbox. I'd rather watch movies, play games, download content, use the internet all sort of things over one electrical device. I don't want to be switching around. So instead of getting a MP3 player, a portable movie player and a gaming machine I'd rather just get a PSP and do it all and carry less weight and of course save a hell load of money.

I don't see the DS picking up sales, I see it loosing sales, and with the PSP 3rd party support, you'd be missing alot of games like if you didn't have a PS2. Suit yourself B)

This post has been edited by Eugine: 27 November 2005 - 11:49 AM

[Blink]

I don't have a PS2. I'm doing fine.

Honestly, it's Sony's hardware I dislike, not the gaming companies they've bought. If Sony disappeared, all the games and companies would still exist, just on different consoles. Same goes for Xbox games. Nintendo's the only case where the games would disappear with the console. Really, I wouldn't mind seeing it go back to a Sega vs Nintendo age, when gaming companies who made consoles made their own games too. I don't ever remember only seeing the word "Sony" come up before a game on their console, but I see "Nintendo" as the only word before about half my games on the gamecube.

Sony's hardware itself is quite faulty, pricey, and breakable, in my opinion. I can't stand the feel of the Dualshock, no matter how many hundreds of times I use it in a display at Walmart or whatever, the analouge sticks are just in the wrong place for me, not to mention they STILL haven't picked up on Triggers instead of/with shoulder buttons. Their 4 way buttons for direction also seem a bit odd to me. But, they also make you pay more for a console with worse hardware than the Gamecube, and it breaks more easily too. I just don't get it. I'd probably pay good money for a legal emulator by Sony to play Playstation one and two games on my Nintendo Revolution, probably $70 or $80 even, but Sony hardware itself is just a major flop in my book.

Yeah, I want to try the PSP and the PS3, and I'm keeping a very optimistic and open mind, hoping that they will in fact, be better than other Sony hardware, but with cases of the entire PS3 prototype units melting from lack of ventalation, and the PSP's countless problems with dead pixels, flying UMDs, broken Square buttons, and weak, unprotected screens, it's not sounding too great. I've seen them in action before, and it's very pretty, but I'm really not too interested.

[Sea of Time]

Blink, on Nov 27 2005, 11:21 AM, said:

Definately agree there, pick up a DS and Mario Kart, and it'll last you a good long time.

Yes, but I could also wait and get the same WiFi experience with better graphics with SSBR and the Revolution. Why would I bother with the DS. I'm not being stubborn, I'm being guarded.

[Someone Else]

No, you're being stubborn in my opinion. Blah, heck with it.

And Eugine. Holy crap, last time I checked you were a Nintendo Fanboy. O.o Anyway, I do want a PSP soon but... look at this way. The PSP is an ENTERTAINMENT System, whilst the DS is a GAMING System. They have different focuses, and people seem to see them as the same thing.

[Blink]

Ah, well you'll be waiting a good 6 months, at a minimum, probably 10 months. But, to every man his own. I'm certainly not going to push you into it. But I know I'll be getting my fair share of WFC til then. No, you're not being stubborn, you're being patient. xD

And yeah, WD has a point. Certainly going to find quality games on the DS, and certainly going to find quality...movies...on the PSP...and music, and photos, and internet, and some games too. B)

[Someone Else]

Well what I'm trying to say is, I just don't think it's fair for people to count the fact that Nintendo's products won't play music, movies, etc. as a flaw since it simply isn't their focus.

[Eugine]

They focus only on games yet they do so bad in the gaming industry...

[Someone Else]

...weren't we just finished saying what good games the DS has now?

[Sea of Time]

Look, Eugine is right, you guys aren't giving the PSP a fair shake. IMO, the PSP would be so much better for it if the games on it weren't condensed versions of their console counter-parts. Now, the DS doesn't have many mainstream games but the games they do have are good for gamers that are willing to give it a chance. That's just how I see it.

[Someone Else]

I am giving the PSP a fair shake. I'm not necessarily saying that the DS is better than the PSP, that would be ignorant since the PSP does more things. But that's exactly it, the games aren't great while the DS has good games out now.

[Blink]

PSP has better hardware, DS has better software. How else do you want me to say it Eugine? And since when were they doing bad if they're the only company that's actually making profit?!?

Really, you're sounding like some PSP fanboy now.

The DS is great with games, but the hardware scares people away. The PSP is familiar, so it's being bought, but it's not getting incredible games that people prefer to console games, now is it?

[Eugine]

I'd prefer if you say that the games out you don't like since there's ALOT of good games out for the PSP.

http://www.gamespot.com/psp/index.html

See all those games on the overall list. THEY ROCK!

Maybe they make a profit on the console, but other companies can afford to make a loss on the hardware and make money from the software. Nintendo can't afford that because there isn't alot of support from other developers.

Dude, you need to realise Nintendo is becoming absolute. Nintendo WAS good, but now I got tired of playing the same series (which mind you got worst for each game they created) and lack of third party support.

This post has been edited by Eugine: 28 November 2005 - 05:56 PM

[Golden Djinn13]

Eugine, the games out for the PSP SUCK, IMO. The only good games out there are lumines, GTA: LCS, Ridge Racers, and Wipeout Pure. The upcoming games are pretty good though. Like Sims 2 and Dirge of Cerebus (for Final Fantasy fans)

[Blink]

GTA, Socom, Lumines, and Coded Arms. Those are the only games out right now that I really know of being extrordinarily good on the PSP, and aren't sports games or racing. I didn't, in case you didn't notice, say the PSP's games were bad, I just said the DS has better software. I think it's a close gap between the two, but I do see Nintendo doing better in software right now than Sony on portables, whether first party or third.

Want me to make a list of games on the DS right now too? Mario Kart, Nintendogs, Meteos, Super Mario 64. Animal Crossing Wild World and Metroid Hunters are well on the way, same goes for Talkman and Katamari on the PSP, but really, I think Nintendo's doing better, since even though it's got the same amount of great games coming out, they've got broader audiences with their games. More people will pick up Nintendogs than GTA:LC, I bet. More Mario Kart than Coded Arms, or Super Mario 64 than Socom. Meteos and Lumines? I dunno, that one's pretty close. But, for sure, I can tell you that when Nintendo does sell games, it gets more people interested in them, than Sony just getting the same audience they've had since GTA3.

Eugine, on Nov 28 2005, 03:55 PM, said:

Maybe they make a profit on the console, but other companies can afford to make a loss on the hardware and make money from the software. Nintendo can't afford that because there isn't alot of support from other developers.

Dude, are you insane? Nintendo only makes video games. Microsoft and Sony have alternate incomes, multiple jobs if you put it that way, and so they can afford to throw money at a problem. Nintendo has to be careful with their cash, they don't have any backups(and believe me, they tried, Nintendo is definately supposed to stick in the entertainment industry). And what do you mean, not a lot of support? The Revolution is getting some of the most enthusiastic developers of all three consoles.

This post has been edited by Blink: 28 November 2005 - 06:06 PM

[Eugine]

I predict this PSP/DS fight will be another PS/64 fight. Although I personally favour the PSP and my argument might be baised but yes, everything a human speaks has some partiality.

Nintendo needs to realise that no one wants just a simple gaming machine anymore and that's what killing them, like I stated before no one wants just a gaming machine anymore. Nintendo should of atleast took heed from the Gamecube's poor performance.

[Golden Djinn13]

DS may have better games, but I still enjoy the diffrent features other than gaming on the PSP, and I did forget to add in Socom, in that list B)

[Blink]

For portables, sure. It's nice to have those features. But for goodness sakes, make sure you're good at them first. Sony knows the music and video industries, they work and live them, so they'll throw those into the console for the hell of it. But Nintendo? They have no idea how an MP3 player works. They need to spend a lot of time and money figuring that out, because if they incorperate one, they want it to be Nintendo quality, with a very highly set standard. Nintendo can't just throw it in, they have to take a lot of very small steps. A DVD player in the Revolution may not be big for someone like Sony, but for Nintendo, this is just huge. You really have to understand that, Sony knows all the multimedia markets, Nintendo only knows gaming, it's what they wanted, and now Sony comes in, shows off with all their extras, and steals the market away. Really, that might just happen with the DS/PSP war, and I'm very afraid that if Blue Ray slots accept UMD movies, that's what will happen.

[Eugine]

...I wouldn't mind. B)

I would just love to connect my PS3 to my PSP, just like the GBA/GC and you know what, I can do it wirelessly! Transfering my downloaded music from my PSP to my PS3, downloading content from my PSP internet and transfering it to my PS3 and freaking enhancing my gaming experience. W00T! The PSP could even be used as a map for the PS3 just like the DS. OMG, think of the FUN! *PLEASURE!*

Yeah, I agree with what you just posted there, but Nintendo needs to take the leep otherwise they'd just stay in the back and never have any progress. Progress means change and change means progress.

This post has been edited by Eugine: 28 November 2005 - 06:21 PM

[Someone Else]

Eugine, on Nov 28 2005, 04:18 PM, said:

Yeah, I agree with what you just posted there, but Nintendo needs to take the leep otherwise they'd just stay in the back and never have any progress. Progress means change and change means progress.

B)

*COUGH COUGH* Nintendo DS!!

*COUGH HACK* Two screens!!!

*HACK CHOKE* Touch Screen!!

*SNEEZE* WiFi!

[Eugine]

And about post #42 last paragraph. I was talking about the present.

[Blink]

I would like to see a change in Nintendo, media wise(not just innovation, which I find brilliant itself, and totally rocking), to try and make an effort to cheaply include those features, because Nintendo does this thing, where all their hardware is sturdy, lasting, quality, and cheap. Take the gamecube for example, everyone releases at $300, sans GCN at $200. Everyone else has disk errors, sans GCN. People break their new consoles quite easily, sans the GCN. Used consoles always get tons of disk errors...sans the GCN. Same thing will happen with the DS, it's already passed the cheap, quality, and sturdy tests, and it'll all happen to the Revo too. PSP, PS2, and PS3 will all be/were very breakable, with quite a few errors, and expensive.

So yes, I want Nintendo quality DVD playing, and I'll buy a 360 and a Revo, but when it comes to DVD's? I'll still buy the add on, and use the Revo one.

This post has been edited by Blink: 28 November 2005 - 06:27 PM

[Someone Else]

In the end of the day I don't want Nintendo to have DVD/MP3/whatever. This is NINTENDO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. They make GAMES, not a bunch of other crap. B)

I mean... the Picto chat on the DS is as far as they should go with fun extra features. It's just not the "Nintendo" thing to do.

[Eugine]

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Take the gamecube for example, everyone releases at $300, sans GCN at $200.

Uh... the PS2 had a hell load of other features, it was bound to be more expensive at startup. Take it, I got a DVD player with my PS2, if I buy a GC and DVD player I'd surpass 300US.

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Everyone else has disk errors, sans GCN.

Might agree with you there, but it comes down to how you care your games though. My old PS2 lasted me 4 years until it broke. My GC is a year now, counting its lifespan and I'd get back to you in maybe 5 years or tommorow...

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People break their new consoles quite easily, sans the GCN. Used consoles always get tons of disk errors...sans the GCN.

^

[Blink]

Wind Dude, the only reason I don't want Nintendo doing all that mainsteam crud is because I want them to do it right, not a jump, but little steps. I am glad that they're taking it like that, with just a DVD player in the Revo as a bonus, it's very smart, and it sticks with their whole "Cheaper" idea, like I said Eugine. The PS2 was $300 because of a few extras, and the idea is, Nintendo will make their console cheaper by having the DVD optional, as an add on, for those who really want to pay that money for it. I can't get a 360 Premium for $300 if I get it without the media features though.

[Someone Else]

Personally, I think if Nintendo falls, gaming in general falls.

Think about it, when did video games start getting insanely popular?

[Sea of Time]

I don't think gaming will fall, but Nintendo is too big of a company to die any time soon. Sure, they're losing money, but they're not going bankrupt.

[Eugine]

Nintendo should just merge with Sony for crying out loud! Keep JAPAN together... That would surely make Sony dominate 100% B) and I'd get to play FF AND Zelda on the same console!

OMG, Nintendo, just MERGE with SONY!

[Sea of Time]

That's never going to happen because Sony could just buy Nintendo. Plus Sony makes televisions, mp3 players, they make all sorts of electronics and Nintendo only makes video games.

[Eugine]

YAH! That's what I meant LOL. If Sony bought Nintendo right, most likely for the PlayStation 4... Or a rename would be more likely. Sony's Gaming division will surely dominate the market and it will deffinetly benefit Nintendo, Sony AND Japan. This would be better for the Japanese economy.

It would deffinetly pull some support from Xbox, cause EVERYONE will rather buy a game system where you get Mario, Zelda, Metal Gear, EVERYTHING Japan rather than where you get a few games that will still come out on the Sony/Nintendo based console anyways... YEH! OH YEAH!

[Sea of Time]

You sound excited, but these people are mortal enemies. But if Microsoft jumps way ahead of the pack with gaming, it might happen. You never know.

[Someone Else]

Eugine... *inhales* that's retarded.

Wasn't SEGA/Dreamcast a mixture of Sony and Nintendo (please correct me if I'm wrong)? And what happened to SEGA?

The PS3 will probably be the most popular console, the XBOX 360 hasn't been so popular, and people will want to stick to traditional gaming more than what the Revo will present. Not to say the Revo will suck.

Plus, I like what Sony and Nintendo do individually.

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 30 November 2005 - 04:01 PM

[Blink]

At least Nintendo makes their own games.

If Sony jumped their ship, and said, "Nintendo has a 1st class history, and a name that's been aroudn for 100 years. Instead of making our own console, Sony has decided to Fund all further Nintendo consoles. This way, Nintendo can take more risks for better gaming, and we'll profit from it too. Games still need a Nintendo approval on the front if they're going to be bought for the system, but we'll still let groups develop games for it on their own if they want, they'll just have a harder time selling it(like, with the ESRB ratings system nowdays)."

That could work, that would bring Sony into the picture for Nintendo again, and as long as Nintendo was okay with that, it's the only way it would happen. Oh, and Nintendo would already have to be a dying company for this to happen, because Nintendo's said that when they die in making their own hardware, the games go down with them.

[TheEnglishman]

Wind Dude, on Nov 30 2005, 10:00 PM, said:

Wasn't SEGA/Dreamcast a mixture of Sony and Nintendo (please correct me if I'm wrong)? And what happened to SEGA?

Sega didn't work with Sony or Nintendo for the Dreamcast. Maybe they would have survived if they had.

[Lemontime]

Eugine, on Nov 30 2005, 04:05 PM, said:

Nintendo should just merge with Sony for crying out loud! Keep JAPAN together...

Keep Japan together? The Japanese aren't fighting each other over which console they like. People fight over more important things.

Eugine, on Nov 30 2005, 04:05 PM, said:

That would surely make Sony dominate 100% ^_^

Answer me this, why would two companies merge if only ONE will 'dominate 100%'?
A merge is two companies becoming ONE. Not joining and one not getting anything.

And, anyway, I don't think that they would merge. The only possible way is that Nintendo become such a threat to Sony that Sony buy them out.

Eugine, on Nov 28 2005, 07:08 PM, said:

Nintendo needs to realise that no one wants just a simple gaming machine anymore and that's what killing them, like I stated before no one wants just a gaming machine anymore. Nintendo should of atleast took heed from the Gamecube's poor performance.

YOU need to realise that there are plenty of people (Eg. Me) who just want a simple gaming machine. Alot of people don't need an MP3 player, DVD player and all that other crap Sony crammed into the PSP. These people have a secret weapon, it's called, get ready for it, Social Life. Would you like it in a sentence? Yes? No? Nevermind.

Eugine, on Nov 28 2005, 07:08 PM, said:

I predict this PSP/DS fight will be another PS/64 fight.

Nobody cares what you predict, you're a fanboy :) .

[Eugine]

sibsag, it's like if you have something in for me. I'd of flame you now but I can control.

If you read my post after that, I clearly stated my previous post was wrong and I suggested that Sony bought Nintendo. Also, they can fight, people fight over ANYTHING, just like how we are aruguing about "IS Nintendo Going Bananas?" someone could now be arguing "Should Sony Buy Nintendo?". Plus economic wise it WOULD bring in more profit for Japan, why you may ask? One, the XBOX sales will decrease because more people will be converted to the new console, we'd be seeing more quality games now, since Nintendo will work along side Sony in making quality games and console, remember it's better when two minds think than one, but anyway that was my opinion although, it's most likely for this not to happen, I feel this would be the most likely solution to the problem.

This social life point made no point really, the PSP is portable, what's stoping people from having a social life with the PSP? Plus, people could have a PSP and still have a very good social life.

WOW, how offensive AND did you get, and you have the right state of mind calling me a fanboy?

This post has been edited by Eugine: 01 December 2005 - 03:49 AM

[Someone Else]

You do sound like a fanboy of Sony now, though. =/ What you're saying is sort of outrageous and kind of annoyed me, evidently it made sibsaq angry too.

If Sony bought Nintendo, I'm sure a lot of the Nintendo employees would quit their jobs. So much for profit, eh. And even if they didn't, who's to say that their games would be the same? Maybe people would miss the old "Nintendo-only" feel the games bring them.

Nintendo would go bankrupt before they allowed themselves to merge/be bought.

[I'm Always BROKE]

sibsag, on Dec 1 2005, 09:16 AM, said:

And, anyway, I don't think that they would merge. The only possible way is that Nintendo become such a threat to Sony that Sony buy them out.
YOU need to realise that there are plenty of people (Eg. Me) who just want a simple gaming machine. Alot of people don't need an MP3 player, DVD player and all that other crap Sony crammed into the PSP. These people have a secret weapon, it's called, get ready for it, Social Life. Would you like it in a sentence? Yes? No? Nevermind.
Nobody cares what you predict, you're a fanboy :) .

Dude, this is one of the best posts ever made in here.
Ofcoarse Nintendo would never merge with Sony! They are too subborn for that.
And I don't really think Nintendo is going bananas. Sure they screwed up a bit with the Mario games but we still have Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Zelda and lot's of other good games. As for the DS, I really don't have any intresst in the PSP. I prefer just a normal MP3 player. I would feel embarassed when I listen music from a gaming device but that's just me. DVD's are just better on a TV, now discusion about that. And yeah the games have better graphics but does that make the game better? I don't think so, I like Mario Kart more than that wannabe-Need for Speed-game for the PSP.

[My Best Wishes]

Yea i'm agreeing with Diddy. When i first saw the psp i was like 'whow! a gaming machine, mp3, plays dvd's goes on the net, holy sh!t. Then i thought, i've already got an ipod, portable dvd player, internet on the computer and a ps2, what can the psp truly offer me?

As for a merge, i would hate it. 1 Nintendo series like mario and zelda would cease to be as good, and i reckon that any company that launched a disater like the gamecube would bring Sony down, but thats just my opinion.

[Sea of Time]

What's up with you people and fanboys? Just because we don't think Nintendo should dominate the video game market? Or that we think that maybe being able to play good video games while also being able to watch DVD's on the same machine is a good thing? I still think that the merging is a bad idea, but just because Eugine wants to see Sony do well along with Nintendo doesn't mean he's a fanboy. Frankly, I share some of his points of view. So let's just quit with the accusations of "fanboy!" just because some of us have different points of view.

[Eugine]

Thank you SoT! :)

It's hard to say something that doesn't boost Nintendo outlook around here... Now I see how Anubis feel... >.< *shivers*

[Sea of Time]

No problem. I'm just sick of whenever someone says they like Sony or Microsoft, someone has to point the finger and say "You're a fanboy!"

[Eugine]

So yes, lets get back on topic *Ahem, I started to go off topic!*

Nintendo, I admt has some good games, the majority of the games they themselves make are great games also, but the problem now is that they make games scarcely and the games are always from a specific series, not everyday someone enjoys Mario.

[Someone Else]

If you want to know why everyone's calling you a fanboy it's because you ignore the facts.

Does Sony or Microsoft make their own games at all? It seems to me that Nintendo makes their own games, and they're actually successful.

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 01 December 2005 - 05:36 PM

[Eugine]

I can't have a debate on a forum like this relating to Sony/Nintendo.

OMG, I'm just sick of this, I'm not going to post in this topic anymore.

This post has been edited by Eugine: 01 December 2005 - 05:33 PM

[Blink]

Well, in a way, that's great Eugine! It means people will stop pointng and yelling "fanboy!" every time you come in this topic. Gah, that was getting annoying.

It's true that everyone is going proNintendo right now, and I have no idea why considering how negative everyone was about Nintendo on here just a month ago with the whole Tingle game and Revo controller. Now everyone's antiSony.

No, Sony doesn't make their own games. The only thing good Sony does in my opinion is they go all out, to a stupid level, no doubt, but sometimes it works. They liscense more 3rd parties than Nintendo does, and it makes for a lot of crappy games on the console, but the last crappy game on the Gamecube was a bowling game rated 6/10 on IGN, and that's not too bad. Sony throws in all this junk on their consoles(because they can) and sometimes that causes errors, other times it makes the consumer extremely happy. It all depends, and it's a lot more chance on Sony's part, chance they can risk with their alternate incomes. Nintendo, like I said, can't take that kind of risk, they have to make sure things work, and things are fun, because that's what makes them a great company, fun things that always work.

[Someone Else]

The thing is, I'm going to sound major fanboy here but... near everything Nintendo does seems to turn out for the best.

EDIT: And to make a note, I admit that I am rather guarded over the DS. This is because I go to a school that is CHALK-FULL of the most biased PSP fanboys on the planet. If you say "Hey, you know, Mario Kart DS is a pretty damn cool game," you'll get an earful of "DOOD THE DS SUCKS LIEK TWO SCREENS MAKES IT HARD TO PLAY DOOD!! LOL I THINK 2 SCREENS SUCKS GAMES [are] SUPPOSED TO PLAYED WITH ONE SCREEEN".

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 01 December 2005 - 07:53 PM

[I'm Always BROKE]

True WD that's why I haven't told my (class)mates that I have a DS.

[Colt the earth adept]

Well screw what they think, it only matters what you like, if you find a game you enjoy or interest you, you wanna play it right? But yeah I think nintendo has done a great job, most games you see from them don't seems so great. Take mario soccer for example, at first I thought it was dumb, but after playing it I find it quite enjoyable. You'd be surprised at how some of those nintendo games you hate have sold so well.

I also like playstaion, and it's because they have the biggest brand of rpgs, but like what was said earlier they like to cram their console with to much stuff and can cause errors, like the ps2's extreme weakness to dust. (old one not new one)

This post has been edited by Colt the earth adept: 01 December 2005 - 11:54 PM

[Sea of Time]

Wind Dude, on Dec 1 2005, 06:13 PM, said:

The thing is, I'm going to sound major fanboy here but... near everything Nintendo does seems to turn out for the best.

EDIT: And to make a note, I admit that I am rather guarded over the DS. This is because I go to a school that is CHALK-FULL of the most biased PSP fanboys on the planet. If you say "Hey, you know, Mario Kart DS is a pretty damn cool game," you'll get an earful of "DOOD THE DS SUCKS LIEK TWO SCREENS MAKES IT HARD TO PLAY DOOD!! LOL I THINK 2 SCREENS SUCKS GAMES [are] SUPPOSED TO PLAYED WITH ONE SCREEEN".

Everything Nintendo turns out for the best? Yeah, maybe because there are fifty million Nintendophiles out there just like you that are willing to take a chance every single time a new Nintendo game comes out. Maybe after you play it, you're biased opinion will tell you it was for the best, when it wasn't according to the reviews of experts. And as for your view of PSP fanboys. Did you ever think that maybe the PSP might be a decent system and perhaps be *gasp* on the same level or even *gasp* better than the DS?

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Does Sony or Microsoft make their own games at all? It seems to me that Nintendo makes their own games, and they're actually successful.

Sony and Microsoft don't have to make their own games because they're mature enough to actually let third-party companies make games for them. Maybe if Nintendo would start appealing to an audience older than 6 year olds, they would get some half-decent third party titles. The only comeback you can have to that is Resident Evil 4, and frankly, I'm happy that Capcom took the chance.

[Blink]

Sony and Microsoft are giant soul feeding companies that just want a part of the video game market and it's huge profits. They'll throw money at it like a 49er in the gold rush, thinking they'll "strike it rich" off of the market like Nintendo does with every sale. They don't care about making sure that every game on their console is good, so instead of their console being like a library where every book is hand chosen, they're like the internet, which holds so much more knowledge, but also so much more innapropriate junk and crap. That's the best analogy I can have of Nintendo's strategy vs Sony's/Microsoft's, Nintendo makes sure all the games on their consoles are quality, while Sony and Microsoft just want to have more games than Nintendo.

"Sony and Microsoft don't have to make their own games because they're mature enough to actually let third-party companies make games for them."
That sentance sounds like it was made up by a two year old fanboy, honestly. Maturity? Maturity is crap. They're risking having crud on their console for the sheer number of games they want on it, to make it better with a hope that they'll find a needle in the haystack. Microsoft found it, and it's called Halo. Now they're using that needle as their entire mascot for the console, as Nintendo does of it's characters. Sony continues to try and fail, with Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Jak, and Sly. Someday they'll find someone, but for now, they can't seem to get it right. Don't use the word Mature in console wars, it's never, ever the right word to use. Even in ESRB, you could say you have to be mature to play those games, or you could say that violence and sex aren't mature things in the slightest, but rather, immature. Sony and Microsoft aren't gaming companies, they just want the money from the industry.

Also, Nintendo seems to be the only company that understands that "games for 6 year olds" are actually the same games that girls seem to like. Touche.

[Someone Else]

Sea_of_Time, on Dec 2 2005, 01:24 PM, said:

Everything Nintendo turns out for the best? Yeah, maybe because there are fifty million Nintendophiles out there just like you that are willing to take a chance every single time a new Nintendo game comes out. Maybe after you play it, you're biased opinion will tell you it was for the best, when it wasn't according to the reviews of experts. And as for your view of PSP fanboys. Did you ever think that maybe the PSP might be a decent system and perhaps be *gasp* on the same level or even *gasp* better than the DS?

I'VE PLAYED ALOT OF NINTENDO GAMES TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LIKE. And I am not biased. All I did was say that I think the games on the DS are better than those on the PSP and that Nintendo have been sucessful with alot of what they do. That makes me a fanboy? That's pretty ****ed up.

And when I say that what Nintendo does turns out usually for the best I meant console-wise. If you, sir, bought a DS with Mario Kart and Nintendogs, then maybe then you would see that the dual screens and touch-sensitive lower screen were not gimmicks, yet perhaps one of the best ideas Nintendo has ever come up with. You Nintendo-haters really need to lighten up.

And who cares about maturity in games? Some games try so hard to be mature, that they forget to be fun all over again. Remember, the whole reason we play games is to have fun. I don't care about maturity in my games as long as there aren't flowers everywhere, if you catch my drift.

I can't be ****ed to rent games to see if I like them or not. I always check GameSpot's opinion to see if a game is worth getting, and so far, they haven't let me down. You can't say that I always buy Nintendo games and automatically love them. Are you even reading what you say?

And to point out more detailed:

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And as for your view of PSP fanboys. Did you ever think that maybe the PSP might be a decent system and perhaps be *gasp* on the same level or even *gasp* better than the DS?

Sigh. A fanboy is a person who sticks for one console or company, and turns a blind eye and a deaf ear to facts. Because of that, many of their opinions will turn out completely false and retarded. What view did I have of PSP fanboys? And again, I only think that the games currently suck on the PSP, the other features are decent but I really only need games.

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Sony and Microsoft are giant soul feeding companies that just want a part of the video game market and it's huge profits. They'll throw money at it like a 49er in the gold rush, thinking they'll "strike it rich" off of the market like Nintendo does with every sale. They don't care about making sure that every game on their console is good, so instead of their console being like a library where every book is hand chosen, they're like the internet, which holds so much more knowledge, but also so much more innapropriate junk and crap. That's the best analogy I can have of Nintendo's strategy vs Sony's/Microsoft's, Nintendo makes sure all the games on their consoles are quality, while Sony and Microsoft just want to have more games than Nintendo.

True, very true. Is this why Microsoft and Sony get alot of third-party support?! :) Listen to this guy, he's the smartest one here.

Thus ends my extremely long post.

[Sea of Time]

I will give you guys one thing, maturity was definitely the wrong word.

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Sony continues to try and fail, with Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Jak, and Sly.

Are you serious? Jak was a huge success on the market, not just the first game but all three of them. Crash Bandicoot turned the world to 3D gaming and has sold great.

Also, I would like to point out another issue. Online play on this generation of consoles. Nintendo says the only reason they don't make online games for the GC is because they want to make "quality" games. That there is pure and simple bull****. There are hundreds upon hundreds of solid games for the PS2 and great ones for the XBox that have online play. Halo will be known as the greatest game of this generation of consoles and why? Not just the single-player mode, but also for the online play. And what does Nintendo have for the Gamecube? A couple of Zelda games and some Mario sports? You tell me.

Okay, just like Eugine, this is the last time I post in this topic. I'm just outnumbered by Nintendo fanboys.

[Golden Djinn13]

The only reason why im not as big of a nintendo fan, is because they've lost it. Most of their games like Mario Kart, and Mario Party are just getting way to repetetive. But I wont be ignorant and ignore the great games like Zelda, and Advance Wars.

[Someone Else]

Sea_of_Time, on Dec 3 2005, 06:57 AM, said:

I will give you guys one thing, maturity was definitely the wrong word.

Fair enough, you took it the wrong way with my "Nintendo" comment so we're even.

Sea_of_Time, on Dec 3 2005, 06:57 AM, said:

Also, I would like to point out another issue. Online play on this generation of consoles. Nintendo says the only reason they don't make online games for the GC is because they want to make "quality" games. That there is pure and simple bull****. There are hundreds upon hundreds of solid games for the PS2 and great ones for the XBox that have online play. Halo will be known as the greatest game of this generation of consoles and why? Not just the single-player mode, but also for the online play. And what does Nintendo have for the Gamecube? A couple of Zelda games and some Mario sports? You tell me.

And THAT, sir, was your best comment here. As you should know, I really don't give a crap for the GameCube, and that's really all I have to say. In console wars it goes sort of like this:

PS2 had the best RPGs.
XBox had the best shooters and sports games.
GameCube had the best... erm... well it had Zelda and Mario. :)

This is why I root for the DS:

• The games on the DS are as innovative as heck.
  
  
• The DS looks to be getting good 3rd Party support, whoop dee doo. Am I wrong?
  
  
• ONLINE PLAY as opposed to the GameCube.
  
  
• At least it plays games in 3D as opposed to the GBA. This was my original reason to get it, sadly. ^_^
  
  
• Believe it or not I though the DS would suck total balls when it first came out. I was right in a way, but now the good games are out and whoop dee doo, Nintendo was right again. The DS rocks.

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Are you serious? Jak was a huge success on the market, not just the first game but all three of them. Crash Bandicoot turned the world to 3D gaming and has sold great.

Yeah, I don't really know what he was talking about there. I heard that they were great games.

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Okay, just like Eugine, this is the last time I post in this topic. I'm just outnumbered by Nintendo fanboys.

Bleah, don't leave. And I am not a fanboy. ;) Eugine was completely biased, but you're not so much.

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 03 December 2005 - 11:05 AM

[Colt the earth adept]

Well sea of time starwars battlefront 2 was rated the best online game way past halo2, (I do lots of research for no reason at all). And I do admit I'm kinda a nintendo fanboy but not so much like I was back when I was young. I love xbox because they have the elder scroll games and lots of shooting games as well. Playstaion as I said for the rpgs, and gamecube because it's super fun when you play with others on it. Thats what I feel makes the GC so great, you don't notice but when you play it with friends you spent hours playing it, and it's because their games are not all mature is how you have so much fun, not so much seriousness.

[Blink]

Yeah. I don't try to think of myself as not a fanboy. I certainly am, considering I've only owned Nintendo consoles since second grade, and nothing else. It doesn't mean I'm close minded though, no, I certainly would hope not. I try to be as open minded as possible, but sometimes I get biased, though I really do try to not. For example, PS1 vs N64? Yeah, I wasn't biased because I didn't know there was a difference at the time, they were just video games. Gamecube vs PS2, yeah, I was biased, and I didn't think MS stood a chance. I did the whole "DVDs aren't important!" thing with the Cube, which kinda was the case back then, but now I would be mad if Nintendo didn't have that in the Revo, as I hope for the next Gameboy to have built in play-yan. When the Xbox finally came into my attention, when I was old enough to play M rated games and not feel guilty, it was too late in the console's life, so I just borrowed the console from a friend. I thought the PSP didn't stand a chance in the handheld market, and with dang good reason, Nintendo had a monopoly, and everyone else had failed. I think Sony stands less of a chance taking over the handheld market than they did with the PS1 vs N64, because Nintendo's ready for them to be a threat this time. But, this time, I'm trying to look at all the consoles evenly, or rather, differently. PS3 I would love to get, because I know it'll have the widest range of games imagineable, and it's going to work like a charm when you get it working, it just pulls you in towards wanting it, especially considering what the graphics are "supposed" to look like, and the whole RPG thing. Xbox360 I want to grab, and give a year of Live a try with Halo 3 and Banjo Threeie, with more Rare games on the side, and LAN parties with my neighbor. Revo I want for SSBR and Metroid Prime 3 online, not to mention Super Mario 128 and Paper Mario 3. So, I really want to give all three consoles and equal chance if I can, but I know I'll always end up back with Nintendo.

And the whole Jak/Sly/Crash/Spyro thing was that those games seemed to almost make it into the position of Mascot for Playstation, but didn't quite, while Master Cheif certainly made his way there.

And no, Nintendo said they didn't want to have the whole online thing with the gamecube, because they later found out how simply they could do online on Wifi, and didn't want to make you install something on their hardware just to go online, or have to mess with wired online. I don't get it either, but I do know that it's really really simple to get online with the DS's Wifi.

This post has been edited by Blink: 03 December 2005 - 03:05 PM

[Sea of Time]

This is where I appreciate how Nintendo and Microsoft sells their product compared to Sony. First let's look at the Xbox and the PS2. Microsoft slaps a label on their online play, calling it XBox Live! What does Sony call theirs? Online play. How boring is that, and guess which sold more subscriptions and had more players. *whisperMicrosoftwhisper* Fast forward, to the DS and the PSP. Both systems have WiFi and Nintendo slaps a label on theirs. The blue label makes people think that the DS has WiFi and the PSP doesn't. Even though the PSP does have online, Sony did a poor job marketing that feature. And what do we have? More people flocking back to the DS so they can play classic games like Mario Kart. I may not agree with some of Nintendo's console decisions, but I have to say some of their marketing strategies are quite good.


(Oh yeah, guess I'm posting here again :))

[I'm Always BROKE]

Wind Dude, on Dec 2 2005, 11:27 PM, said:

And who cares about maturity in games? Some games try so hard to be mature, that they forget to be fun all over again. Remember, the whole reason we play games is to have fun. I don't care about maturity in my games as long as there aren't flowers everywhere, if you catch my drift.

So very very very very... ehhhh VERY TRUE. Games are to enjoy. So called maturity isnt fun. Nintendo makes fun games you can even play with your little brother without knowing him how to shoot people in the head... :) Also Nintendo is very original and their games have alot of replay vallue.

[Sea of Time]

I agree, but by any means not all mature games are bad. Halo 2, Resident Evil 4, and GTA: San Andreas are great games and they are mature rated or adults only in the case of GTA.

[Blink]

RE, Halo, GTA, and Eternal Darkness are the only ones that I see as needing to be Mature games. Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness for their fear factor. Halo and GTA for that feeling of power. Any other games I think could be just as good without being rated mature, as long as it's not a FPS.

[Sea of Time]

True enough, there are countless games out there that have huge amounts of blood and don't need it. (Mortal Kombat, anyone?)

[Blink]

And just about any fighting game rated M. An M rated horror game, AOK. An M rated FPS, AOK. An M rated fighter? Nay. An M rated RPG? Nay(sans GTA). There's really no reason for them to be M.

[Sea of Time]

I can't remember, was Fable rated M? I think it was and I was shocked to find that out because it definitely didn't have to be M? But this is for another topic....

[Blink]

Like I said, RPGs really don't need to be rated M.

[Someone Else]

I'm glad we're not shouting "FANBOY!!" anymore. :D Maybe we can enjoy this topic now.

Anyway, DOA has no blood whatsoever but it's recent games are rated M. Guess that's because of it's realistic violence (although there's no blood) and... well, would realistic breast bounces make a game T/M? I've always wondered about that... :P

I guess you can call me a fanboy of Nintendo; I try to be very open-minded and, while I think I succeed, you can't deny the fact that the only gaming-devices I own are every Nintendo portable except for anything that came out before the GBA. I want to fix that, so I hope to get a PSP on Christmas/my birthday. (my parents don't think I should own a console i^i guess I'll have to get one myself when I turn 16)

[Blink]

...or take a bus, considering you're in California, where public transportation is good. Where in Califronia are you anyways Wind Dude? Probably down in LA, no? Yeah, no chance of seeing you up here in Silicon Valley then.

And I'd have a 360 already had I saved up the cash. I thought it would be a $300 quality(as in not core) console with pretty good supply...boy I was wrong. And I even have the HDTV to prove that I was planning to get a 360(the result of a summer of hard work).

[Someone Else]

I actually live close to the Silicon Valley; I'm in the San Francisco Area. The Bay Area, basically. But what does that have to do with it?

[Blink]

We have lots of bus transportation. You can take a bus for about $3 down to Gamestop and back just about anywhere. Just, look into it, and you can go out and get your own console before you're 16 if you have the money and transportation(aka, the buses/lightrails/trains).

[Someone Else]

Problem is, yeah I don't have any money. :) I'm only 14 so I don't know what jobs to get (or the time), and I don't really have much room in my bedroom to fit my own TV (more bling to be spent) and I can't be bothered to move all of my shelves and stuff over to make room for a personal entertainment system. (TV, consoles etc.)

Where I live, there's a Gamestop in a mall in another town near to where I live. And there's also a GameCrazy in the very town I live in as well.

Or do you mean a BIG Gamestop store?

EDIT: Why must Gamestop and Gamespot share similiar names?

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 04 December 2005 - 12:09 AM

[Blink]

Naw, any will do. Well if you had the cash then you could do it. Just, save up for a 2006 console.

[Someone Else]

^ He joined just to say that. XD

Seriously, there's a lot of reason to like Nintendo again these days. ...that being the DS. XD If you disliked Nintendo back in the GameCube days, I'd understand that, but these days you should pick up a Nintendo DS, with AT LEAST Nintendogs before you decide to go on dislinking Nintendo.

[Sea of Time]

Nintendogs?!? Get Mario Kart DS, Nintendogs is over-rated. Mario Kart DS is online so you can play with all your little friends without leaving your home.

[Someone Else]

Not really, the game is insane fun the first 2 weeks. But after that, yeah it tones down a little.

:( How would you know anyway? You don't HAVE a DS, so why do you talk such trash about it all the time?

EDIT: Oh, and I said to AT LEAST get Nintendogs because Nintendogs is the game that really makes the two screens and touch screen shine.

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 06 December 2005 - 07:03 PM

[Blink]

I aim to get some of the following for Christmas...note the word some...
Nintendogs Labs
Meteos
Kirby Canvas Curse
Viewtiful Joe Double Trouble
Sonic Rush
They all look like fantastic games(not to mention Pheonix Wright, Advance Wars DS, Mario and Luigi 2, and Trauma Center, which I don't have either, but can borrow) and I really want to give all of them a go on the DS.

[Sea of Time]

Wind Dude, on Dec 6 2005, 06:50 PM, said:

Not really, the game is insane fun the first 2 weeks. But after that, yeah it tones down a little.

:P How would you know anyway? You don't HAVE a DS, so why do you talk such trash about it all the time?

EDIT: Oh, and I said to AT LEAST get Nintendogs because Nintendogs is the game that really makes the two screens and touch screen shine.

My friend has a DS and he rents most of these games. That's doesn't give me a great idea, but it gives me an inkling. :P

[Someone Else]

Meh, Nintendogs is one of those games you need to OWN rather than to just try. But he's right that it gets dull after a while, as do most "pet" games.

[Sea of Time]

I was wondering if this Dogz game for the GBA is also made by Nintendo or a third party company?

[Someone Else]

*bump*

Mmmkay, I did some research on "Dogz GBA" through Google search.

It's made by Ubisoft, whereas Nintendogs is made solely by Nintendo.

http://www.gamespot..../strategy/dogz/

[Golden Djinn13]

A question for anyone who has Nintendogs...Is that game good, and what would you rate it?

[Someone Else]

It really deserves a 8.5/10 for what it gives you. It's pretty damn good.

But since it gets old after a while, I give it a 7.5/10. It can lose it's addiction factor depending on what sort of person you are.


BTW... if you get Nintendogs, make sure to get Lab & Friends... Labs are fast and strong, but they do play sort of rough with other dogs, regardless of personality. D:

[Sea of Time]

Thanks for the info. (Stupid Ubisoft capitalizing on dog's popularity)

[Someone Else]

BUMP'D

http://www.gamespot.com/ds/action/superpri...each/index.html

Looks like the Princess Peach game won't be so bad after all! :o

... What a surprise.

Oh yeah, and I know this is a REALLY old arguement but to quote one of my favorite quotes:

Quote

The greatest risks bring the greatest rewards.

Ya can't get any rewards if ya don't take the risks.

[Sea of Time]

It's Nintendo, any game they make is agreeable. However, their "great" game numbers dwindle and are now limited to Zelda titles.

[Someone Else]

I think the Mario series is going to re-ignite it's old flair. Nintendo are finally making side-scrolling platform games again!!! I wonder why it took them so long to get the picture that the old Mario games were best?? XD;

I swear, Nintendo are the kind of company that you want to hug, yet strangle at the same time. :o

[Sea of Time]

NINTENDO, GET A ****ING CLUE, MARIO IS BORED WITH PLAYING HIS ****ING SPORTS. WE NEED A ****ING OLD SCHOOL MARIO GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*sigh*

Okay, I totally agree with you WD on everything except the fact that you would hug Nintendo. Who would want to hug a fat plumber? or a young boy with a hat? or a monkey who is named "donkey"?

[Someone Else]

Basically, I love Nintendo, but I hate them at the same time. I LOVE MY DS!!!

But I really don't agree with some of their moves...

Example: The DS selling out in roughly a week.

Example2: GameCube's overall look, and it's lack of 3rd Party Support. I mean wtf?


EDIT: On the Sports game issue. I wonder if they'll make Mario: Super Beach Volleyball? Oh god... *bad images*

[Sea of Time]

Unless the women were real, that game would suck and be on my most hated list and I would hunt down Nintendo's CEO, whoever the hell he is. As for the Gamecube, it was, like, a cube, I mean what's with that? But in all seriousness the third party support was really bad. I wanted Burnout 3 so much on GC!!!!! And it appears that it will never come for me.

[Someone Else]

Actually, the fact that it's a cube isn't so bad, but it was just too... colorfull. It looked like a little kids toy block from PlaySkool. (I've said that about a billion times)

[Sea of Time]

They should have released it in platinum, the fact that the first release color advertised was purple, that was kinda...let's say stupid. I mean, there was black, but Nintendo was advertising the purple one.

[Someone Else]

http://www.nlgaming.com/games/1277/gcube_silver_sysem.gif

It's supposed to be special somehow, but I don't remember how...

[Sea of Time]

I have it in platinum, I think it was some special occasion. Like 2002 new millenium edition. I don't know.

[Someone Else]

It still looks blocky (XDDD). They could have put a polished casing around it, (kinda like the PSP's face) making it look more high-tech.

[TheEnglishman]

Wind Dude, on Jan 14 2006, 01:01 AM, said:

On the Sports game issue. I wonder if they'll make Mario: Super Beach Volleyball? Oh god... *bad images*

No. As I have said before Mario Table Tennis has to be the next dull sports title.

[Someone Else]

But they already have Mario Power Tennis. XP

[TheEnglishman]

But this is Table Tennis! It's completely different!
Failing that I think there would be room for Mario: Power Polo.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Sea_of_Time, on Jan 14 2006, 01:41 AM, said:

NINTENDO, GET A ****ING CLUE, MARIO IS BORED WITH PLAYING HIS ****ING SPORTS. WE NEED A ****ING OLD SCHOOL MARIO GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Play one, they aint too bad.

Mario Table Tennis isn't that likley. I think they'll stop with the sports for the CUbe now.
Only the DS get Mario Basketball and that does appeal to me somehow. And I frankly even doubt that there will be a Mario sport game for the Revo. Maybe they'll only make a new Golf or Tennis since those were the originals from the N64, maybe even longer...

[Sea of Time]

They can make the best damn sports games available, but in 10 years, will anyone remember Mario Super Strikers? No, people remember the classics.