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Incantations?

Poll: Golden Sun Incantations (20 member(s) have cast votes)

When you use Psynergy, do you have to use incantations, ergo you say the name of the spell?

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#1   Someone Else 

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    Posted 22 April 2006 - 03:59 PM

    Well, I've seen during Golden Sun RPs or fanfics, most people will make the characters say the name of the spell while casting the Psynergy.

    Example:

    [Isaac is fighting Saturos]

    Isaac: Eathquake!!
    Saturos: Arrgh!


    And so on...

    Other people might do it like this as if Psynergy is non-verbal:

    Isaac: *casts Earthquake*
    Saturos: Arrgh!


    Personally, I don't think Psynergy is verbal. Sure, when you use Psynergy on the overworld, the name of the Psy is displayed but that doesn't necessarily mean the character said the word (if Isaac/Felix did, wouldn't their portrait be displayed?) . I think the game stressed pretty hard that Psy is used mostly with the mind, and that an incatation wouldn't need to be uttered. I don't know much about the mythology behind magic (I'm not that sort of nerd) and why people need to use incantations in most cases. But anyway, what do you think?

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      Posted 22 April 2006 - 04:04 PM

      If you use psynergy in the world map, a box comes up that says, for example: Reveal!!! ...
      The exclamation marks and the dots make it seem verbal.

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        Posted 22 April 2006 - 08:15 PM

        I always made it verbal in my fanfics because it just adds effect. Also, I always imagined them muttering the words under their breath when they wanted a surprise attack. But that's just my opinion.

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          Posted 22 April 2006 - 09:25 PM

          Well, Psynergy is based off of Alchemy. After watching a few episodes of FullMetal Alchemist, you never see anyone call out a name of what they're trying to accomplish. I know the two aren't the same, but it's something to think about.

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            Posted 22 April 2006 - 09:33 PM

            I think that the Psynergy itself is mental. That's why it's called Psynergy, because it's psychic and elemental energy all poured together. It seems to me that actually saying it when you're attempting to use it reinforces the bond so that the Psynergy is clearer and more powerful in the real world.

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              Posted 23 April 2006 - 12:55 AM

              And if you remember in the first Golden Sun, the first time you enter Kolima, Garet mentions that during his training, he would concentrate so hard he thought his head would burst. And near the start of the game (after the storm when Jenna is rounding up Isaac and Garet) when Garet uses Move on the tree stump, he never says its name.

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                Posted 23 April 2006 - 04:07 AM

                I think it's non-verbal too. How would the creatures that you fight that can't speak do Psynergy? Bosses have Psynergy, but most of them are just normal animals, not capable of speach.

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                  Posted 23 April 2006 - 11:04 AM

                  Also note that if it was verbal, and you were doing it in a town with a lot of people around you, and you tried to read someone's mind...

                  Just think about it. :o

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                    Posted 23 April 2006 - 11:15 AM

                    I tend to beleive it's both. You could either say it, or focus it in your mind. In my Fanfic, Psynergy will be used verbally and non-verbally. Sort of like a Harry Potter thing, but ah well.

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                      Posted 23 April 2006 - 11:52 AM

                      I don't think it's verbal. I think that 'Mind Read' would be pointless if you had to shout 'MIND READ!' before doing it.

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                        Posted 23 April 2006 - 12:00 PM

                        I was thinking, since regular people can't see the waves of Psynergy on an Adept when casting, probably, if Psynergy is verbal, then any words influenced by Psynergy would be cloaked, too.

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                          Posted 23 April 2006 - 03:07 PM

                          I thing Kemosabi and MD pretty much have it. Psynergy is controlled the mind, and your mind is to easily distracted to focus such power. If you cast fireball by thinking about it, what would happen if you cast fireball and you just idly thought about your girlfriend? The words just give a focal point so that the psynergy does what you want it to. A practiced adept can cast silently when it has strategic advantage, and use words the rest of the time to keep them from unintentionally barbecuing their girlfriend.

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                            Posted 23 April 2006 - 07:57 PM

                            Well, I will continue to make it verbal in my fanfictions, but WD brings up the trump card, when you cast a Mind Read, nobody knows you're doing it...

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                              Posted 24 April 2006 - 10:10 AM

                              As said before, saying the word(s) out loud helps the Adepts better visualize the Psynergy they are casting. I also believe using your hands can be important: some Adepts would probably move their hand in the direction they are dragging an object to with the Psynergy 'Move'.

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                                Posted 24 April 2006 - 10:54 AM

                                As the poll question asks: "-Do you have to?-" I say no, you ofcourse don't have to, it's a choice you make, as in the original games it is non verbal shouldn't it be non verbal then? I personally find that it sounds much more realistic when there is nothing sayd.

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                                  Posted 24 April 2006 - 08:08 PM

                                  View PostThor, on Apr 24 2006, 09:10 AM, said:

                                  I also believe using your hands can be important: some Adepts would probably move their hand in the direction they are dragging an object to with the Psynergy 'Move'.
                                  Yeah, I've always thought that too. I'm still convinced that they don't say the name of the spell, however.

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                                    Posted 25 April 2006 - 05:24 AM

                                    Yeah, just remember how Felix, Garet and almost all the others attack with Psynergy in the games. They put out one of their hands and then the magic begins!

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                                      Posted 25 April 2006 - 04:16 PM

                                      If you try casting a spell on the battle screen, you'll see that the little box of text doesn't appear like it does on the overworld. You just get a message saying Felix casts Paper Cut!!, etc.

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                                        Posted 26 April 2006 - 10:29 AM

                                        I would say that they probably make hand movements when using some forms of psynergy, but it is probably optional to speak, as Mindpatch said.

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                                          Posted 26 April 2006 - 09:42 PM

                                          Or maybe they only speak for the sake of enthusiasm, like tennis players when they hit a ball.

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                                            Posted 27 April 2006 - 08:58 AM

                                            I'm voting Non-Verbal. Mainly because it is PSY energy, e.g Psychic.
                                            I think some people think it Verbal because they relate it to magic spells, e.g in Harry Potter, because they have similar effects, making vines grow etc. When actually, it isn't magic at all, but Psychic powers like Telepathy, or bending spoons.

                                            When you see psychics bending spoons on TV etc, they don't usually shout "Spoon bend!"

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                                              Posted 07 May 2006 - 07:35 PM

                                              I'd say that the stronger an adept you are, the less you have to say what spell you are casting. Like if you are a beginner, it is almost impossible for you to make a spell without saying it. But if you're a master, then all you do is think, or make hand gestures.

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                                                Posted 07 May 2006 - 08:16 PM

                                                Indeed, saying the name of the spell could help your mind think the spell, but it shouldn't be mandatory to say the name.


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