[Dasius]

O.K you need an adept of the correct clan to enter a certain lighthouse right? So how did Karst, Agatio and Alex get in to Jupiter??? They could'nt have followed you, they needed to set that trap and you would have noticed them following you anyway. And how did Isaac and crew get to where they were without cyclone and hover? surely they would have had some item with them when they joined you to give them this... Am I the only one who's confused about this :P

[Platinum Sun]

Well you did need hover and cyclone to open the door, which did stay open. They could've snuck in after you. Or perhaps Alex's warp got them in. Either way, once you got in, I guess a Jupiter adept isn't necessary anymore.

[The Black Knight]

What ever happened to the Shamans Staff? Perhaps thats how Agotio, Karst, and Alex got in. Isaac probably followed your footsteps.

[Platinum Sun]

You traded the Shaman's Rod to Moapa for the Hover Jade at Shaman Village, remember? And Moapa never gave any indication of its being stolen. You needed the Shaman's rod to gain acess to the Jupiter Lighthouse only in an indirect sense. What you really needed was the power of Anemos, the Hover Jade. And the only way to get it from Moapa was to defeat Trial Road and trade him the Rod for it. As such, one can gain acess to Jupiter without the Shaman's rod, because you have to trade it away first.

[Someone Else]

Who said that the Hover Jade was the only one in existance? Perhaps there is more than one Hover Jade, and that was how Isaac and Agatio had one. If this were true, then that would explain why both parties were ahead of you.

But on the other hand, that would mean Isaac would have a Hover Jade on his person when you teamed up on him.

Can someone remind me of what you had to do to get in the Jupiter Lighthouse? Was there a door you had to open or what?

[The Black Knight]

A door which required Cyclone to reach the locking mechanism.

[Platinum Sun]

1 reminder for WD, check.
The main entrance was sealed. You had to go to the side of it and use cyclone to get into an underground cavern. You wander around for awhile in there and find a gravity tunnel. You have to use it to continue through the tunnel, hence the necessity of the Hover Jade. When you use cyclone to get back up at the end of the tunnel you show up inside the lighthouse, but you're trapped. You're inbetween the door to the outside and the door to the rest of the lighthouse. There's a switch on the floor that keeps both doors open as long as you hold it. The only way to enter the lighthouse is to move the nearby pillar onto the switch. That's how they got in. In order to get in, you had to leave the door open. After that, you can climb to the aerie without using hover. I don't remember exactly, but I think that, once you're done activating everything, it's possible to climb to the top without using cyclone, or even whirlwind. That'd how Isaac and Agatio's parties were able to follow you into the lighthouse, you paved the way for them with all you exploits preceeding their arrival. You don't need a wind adept or the Rod of Hesperia to enter, just to open the door.

[Split Infinity]

IIRC, weren't there a few Teleport Pads that you needed to use?

[Platinum Sun]

Dude, this is Jupiter. You don't get the Teleport Lapis until Mars!

[Aquamarine]

How about looking at it like this: It's a game, and games aren't often logical. The important thing is that Isaac and Agatio managed to enter Jupiter Lighthouse and meet Felix, it's not important how. I mean, Isaac may have had a Hover Jade, but what would you need two of them for?

Anyhow, it is an interesting question, but you shouldn't get too confused about it.

[Split Infinity]

Exactly. It's like asking why the NPCs keep pepper shakers in their ovens.

[Platinum Sun]

You think whatever you want. I think that that's the great wonder of unspoken details. You can make up whatever you want in lieu of official explanation and rationalize it to yourself.

[The Black Knight]

Where did Isaac's ship go?

[Dasius]

My thought exactly Black Knight, Maybe instead of a golden sun three there should be an alternate GS2 where you play through as Issac and Co. instead of Felix so you can see how they got up the lighthouse, where thier ship went and if they got into Lemeria

[Split Infinity]

Isaac's ship fell into the hands of Felix, remember? That's why it looks exactly the same as the ship you see at the end of GS1.

[Dasius]

is'nt that Peirs' ship?

[Split Infinity]

It was a Lemurian ship, it didn't actually belong to Piers himself.

[Dasius]

Peirs kept mentioning his precious black orb so I thought the ship was his. and even if it was once Issacs how did they get to Contigo without a ship?

[Platinum Sun]

The Lemaurian ship Piers was found in and the ship Isaac left on at the end of GS1 are two different ships. The use of Babi's ship explains how Isaac got to Contigo, but no one knows what happened to it after the reunion at Hamma's place.

[Dasius]

Thought so thanks PS

[The Black Knight]

It is Piers ship, not Isaac's. Camelot admitted to making that mistake in not explaining where Isaac's ship went. A mere mistake made by the programmers.

[Sea of Time]

At the end of GS1, you see the ship in Babi's dock. It CLEARLY looks different than the one you see at the Atteka Islet in GS2. They are two different ships, what happened to Isaac's ship? I'm not sure.

[Split Infinity]

If you're at all confused about this ship business, here's a fantastic FAQ on the subject:

http://db.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/...n_2_sailing.txt

[Sea of Time]

I got a referrer link error. I'd like to see the article, can you find the right URL please?

[Split Infinity]

http://www.gamefaqs....ame/561356.html

Click on the guide labelled Ship & Sailing FAQ.

[Sea of Time]

Very interesting. I've only read a bit of it, but I'll be reading more as the questions come up.

[Split Infinity]

It should probably answer all of the questions brought up in this topic. Although this topic was actually about Jupiter Lighthouse, to start with.

[Neon]

Remember how you need to do the puzzles in the two towers to side to get access to the becon? While we were doing the puzzles in the second one, Agatio and Karst walked up to the top, and Isaac and co who came in last as usual bumbed into Felix and Agatio on the way up.

;D

[Dasius]

hmm... very interesting find on the ships buisiness Split, It does seem to fill all the gaps, but like they said its all guess work, but I'm happy with that explanation.

[Platinum Sun]

Well that's what you do when the game dosn't give you an explanation, make one up!

[Split Infinity]

You don't just make it up. You make an educated guess, based on the available evidence.

[Platinum Sun]

And where does the line in the space between the dots come from? It's informed making it up.

[Split Infinity]

Good for you, you recognise the synonyms of common phrases. And speaking of lines, you haven't posted in the Hangman topic yet. Incredible.