[Someone Else]

http://ds.ign.com/ar...2/822825p1.html

I like what I hear about it. It comes out Monday, so I'll pick it up during the week. Hope it holds me over until I get a new motherboard for my PC since my old one died; I've been getting an itch to play a new Zelda game anyway.

[Eugine]

I dislike the Zelda's for handheld for some reason. I guess I never get the 'Zelda vibe', or so to speak while playing them.

PH looks awesome though. I was going to get it, but changed my mind about a month back though. Most likely I'll borrow it from someone.

[Someone Else]

A lot of people seem to feel that way about portable Zelda, what with the top-down 2D camera and D-Pad control schemes. But keep in mind, that it is how Zelda started. And we've probably all heard, this game doesn't use the D-Pad.

They say that this one might be even easier than Minish Cap, which was ridiculously easy. I'm not exactly thrilled at that, but I haven't really played my DS in months, so I'm going to buy this one anyway.

[Folcon]

I'll probably get it too. But I plan to beat WW first, seeing as PH is a sequel game.

[Caael]

I've played the Japanese version, and i'm not a fan of this. 2D games usually let you see quite far around the character, but in this one you can barely see anything. Plus the controls are quite difficult to get used to. I'm going to have to pass up on this title.

[Aquamarine]

I SO want to play this beauty! Shame I don't have a DS. Oh well, I know I'll play it one day.

I've never had that feeling about 2D Zeldas. They have just the same awesome feeling as 3D Zelda games. Minish Cap was plain awesomesauce.

And WD, of course PH will be easy. Nintendo is incompetent of making a game that is harder than easy. And I'm really pissed off about that. I love difficult games.

@escout: I don't think it will be a direct continuation of WW. Sure, it's the same world and Link, but the Wind Waker won't make an appearance, and neither will King of the Red Lions or Ganondorf. It will be kinda like Majora's Mask to Ocarina.

[Someone Else]

This game is fun. The controls are a little weird in the first half hour or so, but come fluid later. Still, I wish I could do more stuff with the buttons rather than just being shortcuts for menus. Example, you drawing small circles at the side of the screen to make Link roll... I'd rather it was assigned to L and instead use R to use items. (L and R both use items)

Sound is good (great when you use earphones), graphics are amazing, all in all it's very good. Must-have game for your DS. Haven't tried Wi-Fi yet, so don't ask.

Drawing stuff on maps seems to be one of Nintendo's hype techniques for this game. I mean, I guess it's a nice feature, and would've been handy for Ocarina's Water Temple. (shakes fist)

You also use the mic for some stuff. There was one point where the game asked me to shout to get the attention of an NPC. I just blew into the mic instead, worked fine. So far the game has also asked me to blow out torches on maybe three occasions. What IS Nintendo's obsession with making the player blow into the mic? I feel like an idiot every time their games tell me to "Blow into the mic!" Pokemon did it, Nintendogs did it, I think another game did it too, one of the Mario games... actually, the mic in general is kind of lame.

But it's fun, everybody should buy it.

[Split Infinity]

Caael, on Oct 1 2007, 03:32 AM, said:

I've played the Japanese version, and i'm not a fan of this. 2D games usually let you see quite far around the character, but in this one you can barely see anything. Plus the controls are quite difficult to get used to. I'm going to have to pass up on this title.

Link does look a bit bigger than normal...

Wind Dude, on Oct 4 2007, 08:13 AM, said:

What IS Nintendo's obsession with making the player blow into the mic? I feel like an idiot every time their games tell me to "Blow into the mic!" Pokemon did it, Nintendogs did it, I think another game did it too, one of the Mario games... actually, the mic in general is kind of lame.

They obviously want to constantly remind people that it exists rather than releasing a game which actually incorperates it efficiently. Boogie on DS, anyone?

[EDIT] http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/28/joystiq-...ions-boogie-ds/

[Someone Else]

I didn't have a problem with how much was shown on screen. Yes, it seems more zoomed in than normal, but it still plays fine. You have a whole map on the top screen if you want to see more, anyway.

[Caael]

Well maybe its just the fact that I felt a bit claustrophobic, not being able to understand Japanese and that.

[Aquamarine]

I WAN THIS NOUW1!

[Someone Else]

Caael, on Oct 5 2007, 08:00 AM, said:

Well maybe its just the fact that I felt a bit claustrophobic, not being able to understand Japanese and that.

Pirates. *shakes fist* Also, maybe you didn't like the controls because you didn't know how to DO anything, what with all the kanji and crap.

[Someone Else]

Well, I had a weird problem with a puzzle involving 5 levers. The game gave me a "hint" (which was blatantly obvious, PH seems to do that a lot) to pull the levers in the order of 24513. It didn't work no matter how many times I did it over again.

Through some searching, it seems that the order was 41523. NOT 24513. It seems that was based off of the Japanese release... localization error by Nintendo? Regardless, if you have a problem with that puzzle like me, use the order of 41523 instead, though Nintendo might fix it by the time anyone else here gets their paws on it.

[My Best Wishes]

I have to side with Caael, the touch screens as a big miss for me. It severly limits the positions you can play the game in, they should have made the controls optional so you can use either the Dpad or touch screen, but my *****ing aside it is a wonderfull game.

[Someone Else]

I don't know if either of you can really say that if you don't actually OWN the game. I mean, assuming you got it on your Super Card. Which I know you have and use. :P

[Aquamarine]

Wind Dude, on Oct 6 2007, 02:01 AM, said:

Well, I had a weird problem with a puzzle involving 5 levers. The game gave me a "hint" (which was blatantly obvious, PH seems to do that a lot) to pull the levers in the order of 24513. It didn't work no matter how many times I did it over again.

That seems to be a staple for the Zelda franchise now. Blatantly easy puzzles made even easier when they give you a "hint". There's one thing I hate about Zelda. I still love it though, fave franchise ever.

[Someone Else]

Yeah, it pisses me off so much. Great game that was fairly hard. I loved Zelda for it's difficulty. Now they take it away. PH leaves "stone tablets" everywhere explaining the situation you're in and hints you at how to do it. WTF NINTENDO. You do that sort of thing in mindless shooters, not a thinking/puzzle type game.

Oh well, I love them anyway.

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, that's why I love Metroid. Truly challenging games. And that's why I hate the thousands of people who complained that Echoes was too difficult(my bother among them). It was hard, but not TOO hard. If you can't finish the game then you're a wuss who shouldn't even be playing video games.

Zelda used to be relatively hard though. OoT and MM were hard enough.

[Someone Else]

Link to the Past was really hard. My first Zelda game, and so far it might be my favorite. I needed to use a walkthrough numerous times. I have played Ocarina as a ROM, but I stopped after the Water Temple. I needed to cheat to get through, which made me feel dirty so I stopped playing it. I'll play Ocarina after I buy it when (read: if) I get a Wii. I refuse to play Ocarina as a ROM because I'll just end up cheating, which I hate.

[Aquamarine]

Then don't play Master Quest, the Ocarina remake for GameCube. That's SO bloody hard. I don't usually find games very difficult and I rarely get stuck for longer than like a day or something(and I never cheat), but I've been stuck several times for days on end in Master Quest. This game came straight from Hell.

[Caael]

Wind Dude, on Oct 6 2007, 04:01 AM, said:

I don't know if either of you can really say that if you don't actually OWN the game. I mean, assuming you got it on your Super Card. Which I know you have and use. :P

SuperCard doesnt change the game in anyway. It still has all the same control configuration as the real game. All it is is just a way to put many games on one card ( for Free) Nothing changes the game, so I was playing the Japanese one just as people who actually paid money for would. Apart from the fact that I cant understand it.

But i'll download the English version when it comes out as a rom, and see if it's any better. If it interests you, I got to the point where

Spoiler

you rescue the man from the spikes and it's all foggy that hurts you

. Couldn't work out what to do, I was trying for about half an hour and go nowhere, and died about 4 times.

[Someone Else]

Eek, that's only like, 30 minutes into the game. But I died there 2, maybe 3 times as well. No wonder you didn't care much for the game. Get an English copy, because you're missing a lot.

[Caael]

Yeah, there's no English downloads available on the site yet, but i'll give it another shot when they get one up.

[My Best Wishes]

It's been out since October 1 Caael.

[Caael]

Oh cool, yeah it's on the site I use. I'll download later.


Edit: Downloaded. It's pretty cool, but it's hard to get used to the controls. I've almost died loads just because I wasn't used to the controls

Spoiler

In the sun temple

Do you know what annoys me about this game? Doors that every time you open, it has to zoom in on them opening. Okay, it's good graphics, but you only need to show it once!

[Someone Else]

^ Yes. I hate that too. I'm like, yes, it shows me on the map which doors are opening and where, thank you. Videogames in general really need to stop little cutscenes like that, I get tired of it. It's all "look! Something happened! Now we'll show you a sequence of cutscenes of what and where!" EVERY Zelda game has done this except for the 2D ones.

Another thing I forgot. Repetitive music. There is basically a few different tracks for areas: Peaceful island, uncharted/hostile island, cave music, dungeon music, boss battle, basic battle theme, house theme, ocean theme.

And that's it. No variety to dungeon music at all, they all have the same music that gets old extremely fast. And all islands have the same music depending on if they're civilized or not. Actually, the only time an island had a specific song for it's location was the

Spoiler

Goron Island and Goron houses.

[Eugine]

lol WD. From the discussion you and Caael had everyone shouldn't buy it...

[Aquamarine]

Dungeons all have the same music?! That's... so pathetic on Nintendo's part.

I think the door sequences can't be avoided since they're probably used as loading times.

[Someone Else]

.eugine, on Oct 8 2007, 08:39 PM, said:

lol WD. From the discussion you and Caael had everyone shouldn't buy it...

No, it's just like, when you really like a game the small flaws really bug you. Make sense?

[Caael]

Spoiler

Ice Temple. I love being able to customize your ship, it's awesome. Dont have many parts though.

The music thing is a bit boring and bland.

But I do like the

Spoiler

Temple of the ocean king. It's well fun to rush around, trying to get the best possible times.

[Someone Else]

I don't know if ship customization is a spoiler? But it is really awesome. Right now my ship is dominated by the "Artistic" set, it's the second set. My ship has got a stamina of six hearts.

Sailing is pretty cool. I can understand why other people might think it's boring, though.

Temple of the Ocean King is a little monotonous. But it's a cool idea we've never seen before.

And I don't care what anyone else says, I love the controls.

So to everyone: Buy it. There good of this game far outweighs the bad.

[Aquamarine]

Wind Dude, on Oct 10 2007, 12:11 AM, said:

I don't know if ship customization is a spoiler? But it is really awesome. Right now my ship is dominated by the "Artistic" set, it's the second set. My ship has got a stamina of six hearts.

OMG N0ez spoiLErz!1!

Just kidding, that isn't a spoiler. It's like knowing about the cool Adventure mode in Brawl: it's not a spoiler, just a part of the game that would be commented on in reviews.

Ship customization sounds awesome. I can't wait to play this game... Whenever that is.

[Someone Else]

Beat it last night. The ending wasn't sad, but it was a little, well, different.

Last fight was long. And it was more annoying than difficult, but that's something I guess. The dungeons in this game are easy. I think they're easier than the ones in Minish Cap, because in MC, you at least had to backtrack through the dungeon to move on. In this game, I think you just go straight through the dungeon to get the Boss Key. THEN you backtrack. And it's worth noting that you have to actually physically carry the Boss Key, which makes you slow and defenseless unless you drop it.

I'd say the game lasted me a little more than 15 hours. Even if the dungeons in this game are easier than MC's, there's more side-content to explore and a bigger world. It's fun though, and I really did love the controls. I don't know why watch and Caael don't like them.

[Caael]

I love em now. They just take getting used to. The game is really short. I've done loads of the sidequests and i'm looking at the very end of the game ( Final temple) and I downloaded it on Sunday. I've played it roughly 2-3 hours a day. 8-12 hours isn't enough really.

[My Best Wishes]

I only played until I rescued that guy from the temple at the start. I was mainly pissed becasue it's akward to play while lying down, I missed the D-pad, although seeing the praise for it I might put down Resident Evil 4 for Wii and pick up my DS.

[TheEnglishman]

Got my copy today. It's entertaining so far.

[My Best Wishes]

Yea I picked it up again, up to the Fire Temple.

[Caael]

Finished it finally, after not playing it for about a week. Loved the ending and

Spoiler

ZOMG LINK TALKED

Looking back, I actually really like this new zelda formula. While they could have made the dungeons a lot longer, I liked the simplicity of everything, and cutting down on the little unneeded parts that frustrated me in previous zelda's, like having to collect loads of wallets, or finding the BLOODY COMPASS!

[Moonear]

I don't have this game, but I always obliterate me friend in the force gems multiplayer battle thing.
That's the best part of the game to me.

[Firemblemaniac]

It's a good game. Linebeck's a laugh.

[Caael]

The archery game is near impossible. I can barely get 1000, let alone 1700 for the prize.

[Firemblemaniac]

It's pretty easy. I got 3000.

[Caael]

Yeah, but I have shaky hands. And it takes a lot of patience, something I dont have.

[Someone Else]

I beat it. I mean, I got the Heart Container from the minigame.

Oh yeah, why did they take away finding Heart Pieces and just opt to give the player full Heart Containers? Seems like bullcrap just to make the game even easier than it already is. Not that I didn't enjoy the game. It was fun.

[Caael]

Damn all you steady hand people!

[My Best Wishes]

Just finishing up the Gust Temple. Slow and steady wins the race right?

[Someone Else]

Something like that.

Earth Dude, on Nov 5 2007, 12:01 AM, said:

Damn all you steady hand people!

It took me a number of tries if it makes you feel better. :(

[Lemontime]

Rents brought me back Phantom Hourglass from America.
Am yet to play it, but I've played the multiplayer at a mates place, and that's damn fun!

[Moonear]

Sorry for the bump.

I just borrowed this game from a friend,and it's really addicting. I just started, so I just boarded Linebeck's ship. More than anything, I like the multiplayer force gem battle mode. This is a great game. One thing: Why does Link look like a five year old in this game?

[TheEnglishman]

That's just the way they chose to design him for this game.
I lost my interest in this game. The aspect of repeating the same dungeon just to do an extra level or two bothered me.