[Drizzy Drake]

It's that time again. We haven't had this conversation in a civilized manner for about 6 monthes, so I thought we could have it again. You know, see if anybody's views have changed.

Discuss it all. Do you take drugs? What is your stance on the legalization of weed and other drugs? Why do you think weed, which is considerately less dangerous than alcohal and tobbaco, is illegal but the two aforementioned substances are not?

Please try to keep from confusing this with the wasted topic, and have meaningful discussions/arguements.

I will post my views when other people have so I know what to say. What facts to give, you know?

[Split Infinity]

Ah ****, I can't believe you've done this.

[Drizzy Drake]

First response, and alas, it is spam. Oh well, I knew you guys were too immature to handle this topic appropriatly.

Get Icy back.

All I'll say for now is that weed and shrooms, and maybe MDMA((and not E(because many ?e's? out there contain other drugs like blow, ketamine, meth, and sometimes the pills might not have any MDMA in them at all), I mean pure MDMA in capsules)), if they could controle it safely, should be legal. Maybe only allow one capsule per purchase, or have it be for prescriptions only.

[Caael]

I can see why other people would take them, but I wouldnt do them myself.

That is all.

[Drizzy Drake]

Short, to the point, and well actually had a point *looks at split's post*.

Caael, will you ever get drunk?If the answer is yes then I fail to see why one joint here and there would be a problem.

I'm not trying to push drugs on you, I'm just curious as to why all this hate towards a clearly less harmfull substance than one that is gloried in every form of entertainment. J.D in Mr. & Ms. Smith, 40's in rap music, Whisky in war novels. And then weed(did I mention it's less harmfull) is shuned upon.

It helps you relax and get calm, and subdues your emotions, wheras alcohal hightens your emotions (a)7X, and puts you in a state where where you don't think about wut you're doing, you just do it. Your little shoulder angel is off duty when you get drunk.

NOW! on weed, I can, and have driven,done my laundry,passed 2 midterms & 1 exam this year baked outa my mind,film footy for the Radius video,win our school's talent show with a rock/happy hardcore performance,go out on dates,go to work,sex. **** PS3 txt limit.

[Split Infinity]

You should consider yourself lucky, people just ignore your spam most of the time.

[Toasty]

I dun wanna talk about dem drugz.....


Honestly, there's no reason for them. If you feel depressed, deal with it. There's always something to be happy about. Sometimes you just have to search harder to find it.

If it's to have a good time, people have been able to have good times without drugs before, so why take them now?

Either way, it makes no sense. The cost and drawbacks outweigh the few benefits.

[Drizzy Drake]

uh, weed and e doesn't cost me a dime. i explained it. i smoke/pop/sell whatever's left after i make my original money back, which i do fairly quickly.

I'm telling you mayne, pushing is hard but it has alot of rewards.

[Aquamarine]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 10 2008, 09:17 AM, said:

I dun wanna talk about dem drugz.....


Honestly, there's no reason for them. If you feel depressed, deal with it. There's always something to be happy about. Sometimes you just have to search harder to find it.

If it's to have a good time, people have been able to have good times without drugs before, so why take them now?

Either way, it makes no sense. The cost and drawbacks outweigh the few benefits.

Look, people DON'T have to be depressed about anything to do drugs and/or drink. I understand that for people who don't drink, the prospect of getting drunk doesn't seem all that fun. But well... It is. Getting drunk to a certain degree, that is. Being drunk with your mates at a great party with good music is, trust me, much funner than just being with your mates at a great party with good music.

I'm using drinking as the example because I don't have absolutely any experience with drugs, while I do with alcohol. And drugs have a similar effect(in a way), so I'm sure they're quite fun as well.

And that last sentence of yours is a little dumb. Tell me, do the cost and drawbacks of video games not outweigh the few benefits? Same goes for other forms of "entertainment": fast driving, shopping... That can be said for almost anything that is fun for people.

[Saturos S.]

Yep, only drugs are bad for your health.

I don't do drugs, but once in a while when I'm drinking, I feel like getting wasted. So I understand people using them to a certain degree. But as soon as you become addicted... it's just sad.

[Caael]

Vanessa Hudgens, on Sep 10 2008, 08:01 AM, said:

Short, to the point, and well actually had a point *looks at split's post*.

Caael, will you ever get drunk?If the answer is yes then I fail to see why one joint here and there would be a problem.

I'm not trying to push drugs on you, I'm just curious as to why all this hate towards a clearly less harmfull substance than one that is gloried in every form of entertainment. J.D in Mr. & Ms. Smith, 40's in rap music, Whisky in war novels. And then weed(did I mention it's less harmfull) is shuned upon.

It helps you relax and get calm, and subdues your emotions, wheras alcohal hightens your emotions (a)7X, and puts you in a state where where you don't think about wut you're doing, you just do it. Your little shoulder angel is off duty when you get drunk.

NOW! on weed, I can, and have driven,done my laundry,passed 2 midterms & 1 exam this year baked outa my mind,film footy for the Radius video,win our school's talent show with a rock/happy hardcore performance,go out on dates,go to work,sex. **** PS3 txt limit.

I dont have a hate towards drugs. I've even tried weed, and wouldn't mind doing it again, but I wouldn't go any further than that because of this.

I wouldn't want to be a regular user though, just because my dad is a psychotherapist and works with drug addicts, and he's told me how bad it can get just on a really simple drug.

[Mallick]

[Reading nothing past Split's first post]
We can already tell your views, Skidz, for a couple of reasons. First off, your views are clearly expressed by every second topic you post in. Secondly, your main post is very biased in one direction, and I think you know which one.


Personally, I had no intent of smoking weed until offered some. I tried it, and it was an amazing experience. I still stand my ground when given the chance to take harder drugs, for obvious reasons. Marijuana doesn't generally have an addictive quality. It's either you smoke it by will or you don't smoke it by will. That, and it's negative effects on the body aren't that bad.. :x I'm not a healthy person anyway.

[Aquamarine]

Saturos Striker, on Sep 10 2008, 09:25 PM, said:

Yep, only drugs are bad for your health.

Um yeah, no. Video games are bad for your health, and anyone who says they're not is just lying to themselves. The negative effects of drugs and games are quite different of course, but they're both not good for ones health. Granted, most of the negative effects of video games can be countered in one way or another(exercise and the sort), but most players don't do so.

And fast driving can potentially be the worst for your health.

[My Best Wishes]

At least fast driving is fun, I was racing someone from my school on the way home today, and I'm still here. (Weak arguement I know, leave it alone)

I don't drink, but I get alcohol. It makes parties more fun and I don't even need to take it, 18th's are heaps better when people get smashed and make asses of themsevles, and the monday after is funny as hell with all the drama of people who hooked up.

Drugs is a no. I hate drugs. You can say that Weed is healthy, there are all these benefits and stuff that doesn't happen like it does with alcohol, well. You're Wrong. My friend, who had a schloarship to a University, absolutely topped Year 12, and who played on the State Field Hockey team tried Weed. Once. And now he suffers from Schizophrenia. From one roach. One. He can't attend school, he often flips and is put in pretty much an aslyum until he can control it and come home.

Don't do drugs. And Drink responsibly.

For the topics sake though (And Wow Skidz you're posting is coherent, congrats) most of my views come down to my religion, pretty much don't take harmful substances into you're body. But really, my religion just implanted that knowledge, it's been my choice to abstain from that **** my whole life. And I don't feel wierd about it, there's probably more, if not then around even numbers, of people at my school who have never, or don't often drink compared to those who do.
And, well, I'm pretty happy with my body, I don't want some **** substance to **** up my hardwork.

[Split Infinity]

I don't like it when Skidz tries to compare drugs with fast food. They're nothing alike. One develops into fatty deposits, the other screws with your mind. I'm not going to list the side-effects since there are too many to remember, but honestly, if you take them more than once a day you're kidding yourself.

In short, if it's going to kill my brain cells, I'm not touching that ****.

[Nosferatu]

Weed once or twice. Was skipping and had nothing better to do.

Policy towards other drugs: It's not my ****in' problem. Some dip**** wants to take an assload of cocaine and **** his life up, it's not my problem. His choice, I'm not gonna stop him. Just one less person I have to pretend to give a **** about.

Also, I declare stupid people worse than drugs. I feel my brain cells slowly dying around most people.

[Saturos S.]

Aquamarine, on Sep 11 2008, 01:18 AM, said:

Um yeah, no. Video games are bad for your health, and anyone who says they're not is just lying to themselves. The negative effects of drugs and games are quite different of course, but they're both not good for ones health. Granted, most of the negative effects of video games can be countered in one way or another(exercise and the sort), but most players don't do so.

And fast driving can potentially be the worst for your health.

Drugs do more damage in smaller quantities then videogames and such. The addiction factor makes it bad though.

[Drizzy Drake]

watch, on Sep 11 2008, 02:35 AM, said:

At least fast driving is fun, I was racing someone from my school on the way home today, and I'm still here. (Weak arguement I know, leave it alone)

I don't drink, but I get alcohol. It makes parties more fun and I don't even need to take it, 18th's are heaps better when people get smashed and make asses of themsevles, and the monday after is funny as hell with all the drama of people who hooked up.

Drugs is a no. I hate drugs. You can say that Weed is healthy, there are all these benefits and stuff that doesn't happen like it does with alcohol, well. You're Wrong. My friend, who had a schloarship to a University, absolutely topped Year 12, and who played on the State Field Hockey team tried Weed. Once. And now he suffers from Schizophrenia. From one roach. One. He can't attend school, he often flips and is put in pretty much an aslyum until he can control it and come home.

Don't do drugs. And Drink responsibly.

For the topics sake though (And Wow Skidz you're posting is coherent, congrats) most of my views come down to my religion, pretty much don't take harmful substances into you're body. But really, my religion just implanted that knowledge, it's been my choice to abstain from that **** my whole life. And I don't feel wierd about it, there's probably more, if not then around even numbers, of people at my school who have never, or don't often drink compared to those who do.
And, well, I'm pretty happy with my body, I don't want some **** substance to **** up my hardwork.

And drugs aren't? Being on drugs can feel like one of the best things EVER, atleast when you get into the chemicals it can. But too much of anything is bad for you, and that applies to drugs aswell.

Saturos Striker, on Sep 11 2008, 10:56 AM, said:

Drugs do more damage in smaller quantities then videogames and such. The addiction factor makes it bad though.

Show me all the bodies, and addicted freaks that marijuana has produced. You wont find any. Sure, a crapload of people with bhronchitis, but that's about it. Sure weed produced some cancers, but it also cures others.

How am I wrong that it is healthy. It has been 100% PROVEN that it can be good for you. And weed DOES NOT make you skitzo on it's own. It was either laced, or not grown right, because I have been around thousands of people who smoke weed and that hasn't happened to a single one, plus all the people on the internet who I know that smoke.

Oh, and plus nowhere have I ever read of skitzophrenia being created by weed. It might have been increased, but not created. Therefroe it's his fault for smoking knowing what it could do to him.

And if he didn't, well that's his fault, because I always say research a drug before you decide to do it.

[Saturos S.]

Vanessa Hudgens, on Sep 11 2008, 06:13 PM, said:

Show me all the bodies, and addicted freaks that marijuana has produced. You wont find any. Sure, a crapload of people with bhronchitis, but that's about it. Sure weed produced some cancers, but it also cures others.

How am I wrong that it is healthy. It has been 100% PROVEN that it can be good for you. And weed DOES NOT make you skitzo on it's own. It was either laced, or not grown right, because I have been around thousands of people who smoke weed and that hasn't happened to a single one, plus all the people on the internet who I know that smoke.

Oh, and plus nowhere have I ever read of skitzophrenia being created by weed. It might have been increased, but not created. Therefroe it's his fault for smoking knowing what it could do to him.

And if he didn't, well that's his fault, because I always say research a drug before you decide to do it.

I was under the impression that this was about all drugs, hard and soft. I'm a big fan of drugs being used for medicinal purposes, perhaps recreational as well but then it has to be controlled and then only with soft drugs. Not drugs that freak you out after long/frequent use ie. cocaine, opium or drugs that make you use total control like GHB.

Though the addiction factor is big. Weed and most soft drugs are just as addicting as most hard drugs.

[Mallick]

watch, on Sep 10 2008, 11:35 PM, said:

At least fast driving is fun, I was racing someone from my school on the way home today, and I'm still here. (Weak arguement I know, leave it alone)

I don't drink, but I get alcohol. It makes parties more fun and I don't even need to take it, 18th's are heaps better when people get smashed and make asses of themsevles, and the monday after is funny as hell with all the drama of people who hooked up.

Drugs is a no. I hate drugs. You can say that Weed is healthy, there are all these benefits and stuff that doesn't happen like it does with alcohol, well. You're Wrong. My friend, who had a schloarship to a University, absolutely topped Year 12, and who played on the State Field Hockey team tried Weed. Once. And now he suffers from Schizophrenia. From one roach. One. He can't attend school, he often flips and is put in pretty much an aslyum until he can control it and come home.

Don't do drugs. And Drink responsibly.

For the topics sake though (And Wow Skidz you're posting is coherent, congrats) most of my views come down to my religion, pretty much don't take harmful substances into you're body. But really, my religion just implanted that knowledge, it's been my choice to abstain from that **** my whole life. And I don't feel wierd about it, there's probably more, if not then around even numbers, of people at my school who have never, or don't often drink compared to those who do.
And, well, I'm pretty happy with my body, I don't want some **** substance to **** up my hardwork.

You're is a contraction of you are, while your is a possessive term.

[Drizzy Drake]

Saturos Striker, on Sep 11 2008, 01:58 PM, said:

I was under the impression that this was about all drugs, hard and soft. I'm a big fan of drugs being used for medicinal purposes, perhaps recreational as well but then it has to be controlled and then only with soft drugs. Not drugs that freak you out after long/frequent use ie. cocaine, opium or drugs that make you use total control like GHB.

Though the addiction factor is big. Weed and most soft drugs are just as addicting as most hard drugs.

but they're not. name me one person you know that goes on shrooms binges, or scratches their skin if they can't get weed. it doesn't happen. neither have any phyisically addictive qualities, it's all mental. i can go weeks/monthes without weed, and i have before, i just choose not to, because i feel it betters my life.

[Laharl]

OH SHI- ITS BACK

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[Mallick]

Oh man. I just got stoned out of my mind. I hadn't eaten all day, and we smoked a BUNCH within like, a 5 minute timeframe. I was high for like, a month after that ****.

[Valistrix]

Personally I don't agree with people taking drugs, unless of course they're the pharmaceutical type. But as Nos said, if somebody wants to take drugs that's their choice and not my problem.

Incidentally, there was a drug crackdown on my school just yesterday. Two guys came forward, but there are others lurking around who'll get caught eventually. We're being drug tested on Monday; should be a blast.

[Split Infinity]

Are they even allowed to do that?

[Mallick]

Eat poppyseeds, Link.

[Valistrix]

Split Infinity, on Sep 13 2008, 07:37 AM, said:

Are they even allowed to do that?

Apparently so. A lot of people are severely pissed off, as they don't have anything to hide; I'm not too bothered about it myself. Or it could all be a fabrication. Either way is good.

Anonymous, on Sep 13 2008, 08:40 AM, said:

Eat poppyseeds, Link.

Sure, if I can get my hands on any.

[Kuchiyose]

I'm guessing when you mean 'drugs' your referring to Recreational drug (alcohol, caffine, tobacco, weed etc) well I don't drink, smoke or take weed, reason is I don't want to and I have seen what it can really do (if used too much). But if other people use it, it really doesn't bother me, when people do take drugs it doesn't mean there a bad person, I have a few friends who take drugs and there really nice people, people may take drugs to relieve stress or just have a relaxing time but as usual drugs do also have bad side, well everything does really. Only thing i hate is if people try to force it onto others, thats out of order, its best for people to choose what they want to do, it is their body after all, just make sure they know consequences.

[Drizzy Drake]

@ split-they can't test you, but they can search your lockers and shiit.

[Valistrix]

That'll probably be it the. I'd only heard things from some other students and a handful of teachers.

[Golden Legacy]

I don't do drugs, but I am more than ok with it if other people do.
I'm also for legalizing marijuana in small quantities, would help to dispel the 'black market' and all.
Same for lowering the drinking age to 18 here in the USA.

[Drizzy Drake]

ya. once again, canada with 18 and 19 drinking ages>>>>your loser 21 drinking age. :wacko:.

[Golden Legacy]

I think pretty much:

the entire world being tolerant and open-minded and not over-sensitive drama queens about every single little thing >>> the USA

[Kuchiyose]

whoa 21? Why did they make drinking laws that age?

[Golden Legacy]

Because you can drive a car at 16, vote at 17, join the army at 18, and start drinking at 21! It makes brilliant sense!

[Kuchiyose]

Quote

Because you can drive a car at 16, vote at 17, join the army at 18, and start drinking at 21! It makes brilliant sense!

Oh dear, why doesn't anyone complain about changing the legislation?

[Drizzy Drake]

1....trillion.....dollars......spent.....on.....the....WOD!!!!! 1 trillion dollars. that's enough money for every single person in america to get 333,333$, aproximetly. and all for what. nothing's changed. more money is being sent out, more drugs are being shipped in, more family's are being ruined because the father has cancer, a doctor's note and 2 plants but the police still feel it vital to arrest him, and more money is being wasted trying to stop it.

Instead of maknig money by selling the weed legally, the American and Canadian governments are wasting money trying to stop it.

edit-oh, they have, but the american government, unlike the canadian one, is full of heartless, brain-dead, hypocritical, fiction-spewing dicks.

[Toasty]

Both you and GL are a bunch of hippies.

Weed is illegal for a reason, and the age restrictions we have on driving/voting/etc. are there for a reason aswell. Te reason why money is "wasted" on policin it, is because it's done very inefficiently. The ineficiency caused mostly in part by the ongoing tug o' war between the Dems and Reps.

Heck, from the looks of it, the voting age should be upped to 21 aswell. Maybe even 27.

Aquamarine, on Sep 10 2008, 10:57 AM, said:

Look, people DON'T have to be depressed about anything to do drugs and/or drink. I understand that for people who don't drink, the prospect of getting drunk doesn't seem all that fun. But well... It is. Getting drunk to a certain degree, that is. Being drunk with your mates at a great party with good music is, trust me, much funner than just being with your mates at a great party with good music.

I'm using drinking as the example because I don't have absolutely any experience with drugs, while I do with alcohol. And drugs have a similar effect(in a way), so I'm sure they're quite fun as well.

And that last sentence of yours is a little dumb. Tell me, do the cost and drawbacks of video games not outweigh the few benefits? Same goes for other forms of "entertainment": fast driving, shopping... That can be said for almost anything that is fun for people.

That's why I only have 5 Wii games. None of which I bought myself. I've also never bought a console with my own money, and have spent very little money in general on vidjagames. Most of it is from christmas/birthdays.

I don't really spend money on anything other than trips I go on with my church/school, or vacation, because those are the only times that it's worth it imo. As for shopping and many other things that are "fun," they (usually) don't get you thrown in jail, cost an overly excessive amount of money for what they offer, and don't cause many health problems.

Things don't have to be illegal to be fun, nor do they have to cost a lot.

Tell me, how many drawbacks and how much cost does it take to meet up with friends and play football? or Soccer? or even just to go swimming in a lake?

And notice how I also said "You don't need to take drugs to have a good time"

I realise that depression isn't the only reason to take drugs or get drunk. However, it is a reason for a lot of people.

[Split Infinity]

You don't need video games to have a good time either. :/

[Toasty]

I don't play video games very often Split.

[Split Infinity]

So...you're saying drugs are fine in moderation?

[Toasty]

Last time I checked, videogames weren't illegal, and didn't directly cause any health problems other than obeseity, or general out-of-shapeness.

[Split Infinity]

There we go, some sense.

[Drizzy Drake]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 08:32 PM, said:

Last time I checked, videogames weren't illegal, and didn't directly cause any health problems other than obeseity, or general out-of-shapeness.

10$ says more people have died from video games[seizures, lack of food/sleep etc.] than from weed(2).

Oh and weed 100%, proven fact, you can't dispute it, cures some things, some cancers included.

And ignore the legalization aspect for a secnd, because in many, not so stuck up countries it is legal.

[Toasty]

I'm not saying weed doesn't cure anything. I'm saying that abuse of weed is detrimental to your health. The legalisation of weed will bring the abuse of it.

As far as weed and ecstasy goes, they're illegal (for the most part) because people would be far more likely to abuse them otherwise.

You can overdose on absolutely anything that can be shoved down your throat. Everything from air and water, to alcohol and speed. The reason why weed is illegal is because it's far easier to abuse it than air and water, for the sole fact of the sensation it gives you while you're smokeing it.


And Split, if you had thought ahead and used your brain, I wouldn't have had to spell it out for you.

[Nosferatu]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 06:43 PM, said:

And Split, if you had thought ahead and used your brain, I wouldn't have had to spell it out for you.

IRONY!

GL, if I wasn't quoting irony I would've quoted the drama queen U.S. thing.

[Toasty]

Tell me Nos, how is ironic to actually think?

[Nosferatu]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 06:52 PM, said:

Tell me Nos, how is ironic to actually think?

How is it*

And obviously you didn't notice that I quoted you, and bolded you talking about someone thinking ahead.

Please think ahead before your next post.

[Toasty]

Nosferatu, on Sep 13 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

How is it*

And obviously you didn't notice that I quoted you, and and bolded you talking about someone thinking ahead.

Please think ahead before your next post.

and bolded*

I spend a lot more time thinking then you do. Believe me.

[Nosferatu]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 06:58 PM, said:

and bolded*

I spend a lot more time thinking then you do. Believe me.

Note that I fixed it after I noticed I had ****ed it up. I re-read what I posted. OH NO EXTRA EFFORT, DUCK MAN.

I would but then I would have to believe all of your lame brain U.S. propoganda.
So far you've lost every arguement I've ever seen you have. Please explain that.

[Toasty]

Whether I've won or lost is a matter of opinion. Depending on what side you think makes most sense, that side is the "winner" in your eyes.

And whether something makes sense or not, is a matter of opinon.

Does that make sense to you, or am I going to have to explain it some more since what I say clearly doesn't make much sense in your eyes?


And I didn't fix mine because I don't care about covering up my mistakes and making it look like I was trying to hide something. The difference with you is that you pointed yours out.

[Nosferatu]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 07:02 PM, said:

Whether I've won or lost is a matter of opinion. Depending on what side you think makes most sense, that side is the "winner" in your eyes.

And whether something makes sense or not, is a matter of opinon.

Does that make sense to you, or am I going to have to explain it some more since what I say clearly doesn't make much sense in your eyes?

If you're trying to treat me like an idiot, you're failing pretty well. And you're assuming it doesn't make sense to me? What is this? Another "scientist" saying that the conspiracy theory that the small amount of heat would have melted the towers is totally wrong? Edit: See? I saw my mistake and fixed it.

Please, stop making yourself look like the idiot here. At this point you're just repeating yourself. Now back to the topic at hand, unless Toasty has more **** to spew.

[Drizzy Drake]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 09:43 PM, said:

I'm not saying weed doesn't cure anything. I'm saying that abuse of weed is detrimental to your health. The legalisation of weed will bring the abuse of it.

As far as weed and ecstasy goes, they're illegal (for the most part) because people would be far more likely to abuse them otherwise.

You can overdose on absolutely anything that can be shoved down your throat. Everything from air and water, to alcohol and speed. The reason why weed is illegal is because it's far easier to abuse it than air and water, for the sole fact of the sensation it gives you while you're smokeing it.
And Split, if you had thought ahead and used your brain, I wouldn't have had to spell it out for you.

to a ratio, more people in the us smoke weed that in amsterdam, and its legal there.

[Toasty]

The way you view things is pretty idiodic. Though that's my opinion, just like you have your own opinion about me.

The heat from the fire didn't melt the support beams in the towers. The only people I've heard that theory from are people who have mis-interpreted what scientists have explained.

The heat from the fire didn't cause the metal to melt, it caused it to weaken and fail. It was allowed to get hot enough to fail, because the fire retardent covering the beams was blown away in the initial explosion.


And if you want me to stop making myself look like an idiot, then I'd appreciate if you quit being an ignorant asshole who thinks that his opinions are better than others. And I'm not just referring to this conversation.

[Nosferatu]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 07:14 PM, said:

The way you view things is pretty idiodic. Though that's my opinion, just like you have your own opinion about me.

The heat from the fire didn't melt the support beams in the towers. The only people I've heard that theory from are people who have mis-interpreted what scientists have explained.

The heat from the fire didn't cause the metal to melt, it caused it to weaken and fail. It was allowed to get hot enough to fail, because the fire retardent covering the beams was blown away in the initial explosion.
And if you want me to stop making myself look like an idiot, then I'd appreciate if you quit being an ignorant asshole who thinks that his opinions are better than others. And I'm not just referring to this conversation.

I was comparing two things. Not trying to start a different topic.

And I think I'm very well entitled to think myself better then an American like you. And I know I'm an asshole. I pride myself on that. The only ignorant one here is you for not being able to accept other points of view, preserving yours as the only true view. Typical of your age but you'll grow out of it.

See? We're going off topic here. Save me from idiocy.

[Drizzy Drake]

Vanessa Hudgens, on Sep 13 2008, 10:13 PM, said:

to a ratio, more people in the us smoke weed that in amsterdam, and its legal there.

avoidance of a question/statement usually means you know the person giving it just falsified(pwnt) one of your statements.

[Nosferatu]

Vanessa Hudgens, on Sep 13 2008, 07:19 PM, said:

avoidende of a question/statement usually means you know the person giving it just falsified(pwnt) one of your statements.

Uhm, did you mean to quote yourself?

[Drizzy Drake]

yes, but i meant to quote his post aswell

[Toasty]

Nosferatu, on Sep 13 2008, 07:19 PM, said:

I was comparing two things. Not trying to start a different topic.

And I think I'm very well entitled to think myself better then an American like you. And I know I'm an asshole. I pride myself on that. The only ignorant one here is you for not being able to accept other points of view, preserving yours as the only true view. Typical of your age but you'll grow out of it.

See? We're going off topic here. Save me from idiocy.

And I'm correcting your point of view, so you don't think that an idiots misinterpretation of science is science itself.

How can you think you're better than someone who'm you barely know? I don't think myself higher than anyone here (okay, maybe skidz because of his drug use :wacko:), because I can't honestly say that I know any of them well enough to compare.

And I do accept others point of view when they have a solid base for their view to stand on. From what you've just said, the basis for your point of view is a stereotype. Hardly a rock solid foundation.

For example, a Liberals' viewpoint might be that we should help people, and to do so, we should give them things like money/housing/food/etc. I think that the basis for that idea is great. If it wasn't for the eminent abuse of such provisions that goes with just recieving them without effort that resides in this world, it would be the best course of action. From a conservative pont of view, I believe that we should help people, but unfortunately, we can't just give them things. It's not that easy. Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. The latter takes more work, but it provides the best outcome.

Just because the stereotypical 16-year-old-American is a dumbass, doesn't mean all of them are.

[Drizzy Drake]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 10:33 PM, said:

And I'm correcting your point of view, so you don't think that an idiots misinterpretation of science is science itself.

How can you think you're better than someone who'm you barely know? I don't think myself higher than anyone here (okay, maybe skidz because of his drug use :wacko:), because I can't honestly say that I know any of them well enough to compare.

egotistical fayg. u are no better than me or anyone here, as they are no better than you. we all make mistakes. we all do things we aren't proud of.

PS. still avoiding

[Nosferatu]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 07:33 PM, said:

How can you think you're better than someone who'm you barely know? I don't think myself higher than anyone here (okay, maybe skidz because of his drug use :wacko:), because I can't honestly say that I know any of them well enough to compare.

People who use drugs are worse then others. Thank you for that stereotype.

Other points of view do not need to be "corrected". They are points of view. You see what you see, I see what I see. If you have a problem with that, too ****in' bad for you eh?

You appear to be doing the same to me. You assume your point of view is better just because I don't care to bring up perfect points of information. Unlike Skidz who has been and you keep avoiding answering him.

Notice how this started because I took sides and made a joke against you? My friend has a question for you.

[Toasty]

Vanessa Hudgens, on Sep 13 2008, 07:37 PM, said:

egotistical fayg. u are no better than me or anyone here, as they are no better than you. we all make mistakes. we all do things we aren't proud of.

Why do you think I put an emoticon t the end of the statement?

I know I've made mistakes, and I'm not proud of any of them.

The people whom I truely dislike and look down upon, are people who insult others with little or no reason to. Or who get mad or angry over such trivial things. Frustration is fine, and quite common, but to lash out and insult someone because either they don't let you have your way, or because they did something you didn't like, is foolish. That's why I very rarely insult people, and why it takes a lot to get me angry. Most of the time, when I see someone doing something like that, or they do it to me, it makes me sad. Not in the sense that I pity them, but in the sense that I wish people just wouldn't do it anymore. It's just so pointless.

I can say truthfully that if someone just came up and punched me in the face, with or without provocation, that I wouldn't hit them back. I might get mad at them, but I wouldn't do anything to them. However, if someone did that to one of my friends, or someone I care about, I'd hit them back.


So Skidz, because I don't know if you're like that or not, I don't look down upon you. I look down upon drug use, but I don't look down upon you as a person.

Nosferatu, on Sep 13 2008, 07:43 PM, said:

People who use drugs are worse then others. Thank you for that stereotype.

Other points of view do not need to be "corrected". They are points of view. You see what you see, I see what I see. If you have a problem with that, too ****in' bad for you eh?

You appear to be doing the same to me. You assume your point of view is better just because I don't care to bring up perfect points of information. Unlike Skidz who has been and you keep avoiding answering him.

Notice how this started because I took sides and made a joke against you? My friend has a question for you.

Yeah, I did notice. I also noticed that it was unprovoked and that I didn't ask for it, which is why I was offended. You attack people for their views far more often then I do, so quit being so hypocritical.

Even if someone's point of view or opinion is different, it can still sometimes be wrong, depending upon what kind of information it was based around. The opinion that I'm and idiot is wrong if you base it around a stereotype. However, it's not wrong if you base it around a complete knowledge of who I am, and what kind of person I am. Something you don't have. I've called you an idiot not because I think you're stupid, but because of the reasons I stated in my response to Skidz. You're an asshole. Or at the very least, that's what my opinion of you is based on what I've read here. I'm also going to assume I'm right, since you confirmed it for me aswell.

I only truely believe that my opinion is better than someone elses, when my opinion is formed around facts. My opinion about how to help people is formed around the fact that (unfortunately) more likely than not, people will abuse help that is material in nature. I.E. money/etc. That is why I believe you can't just give people material things to help them.

However, I also realise that sometimes giving the proper help is something that a person/organisation/government simply doesn't have the capacity to do, and that that is the reason for which material help is often given. However, being the kind of person that I am, I can't stand settling for anything less than the best. If I can't afford it or don't have enough resources at the time, then I'll wait for the time at which I am capable of obtaining the best quality of what I'm looking for.

So what is your friend's question?

[Nosferatu]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 07:33 PM, said:

How can you think you're better than someone who'm you barely know? I don't think myself higher than anyone here (okay, maybe skidz because of his drug use :wacko:), because I can't honestly say that I know any of them well enough to compare.

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 07:45 PM, said:

So Skidz, because I don't know if you're like that or not, I don't look down upon you. I look down upon drug use, but I don't look down upon you as a person.

Sirs, we have a contradiction of statements.

[Toasty]

Nosferatu, on Sep 13 2008, 07:47 PM, said:

Sirs, we have a contradiction of statements.

Please, read my posts before making a comment. That statement was a joke, hence the smiley. Contradictory maybe, but only if you take it seriously.

I also added some more to my previous post, because I didn't see your posts here until after I finished editing.

[Nosferatu]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 07:45 PM, said:

Yeah, I did notice. I also noticed that it was unprovoked and that I didn't ask for it, which is why I was offended. Drama oh noes! You attack people for their views far more often then I do, so quit being so hypocritical. I am merely making fun of them for what they believe, I am not telling them they are completely wrong and should change it right away. I make fun of myself half the time.

Even if someone's point of view or opinion is different, it can still sometimes be wrong, depending upon what kind of information it was based around. The opinion that I'm and idiot is wrong if you base it around a stereotype. Typo didn't help considering it's on the other side of the keyboard from i and n. However, it's not wrong if you base it around a complete knowledge of who I am, and what kind of person I am. Something you don't have. I've called you an idiot not because I think you're stupid, but because of the reasons I stated in my response to Skidz. You're an asshole. I know I'm an asshole. I love it! If you could search for people who've called me an asshole, you'd mostly get me saying it! Or at the very least, that's what my opinion of you is based on what I've read here. I'm also going to assume I'm right, since you confirmed it for me aswell. Good job. You can read.

I only truely believe that my opinion is better than someone elses, when my opinion is formed around facts. My opinion about how to help people is formed around the fact that (unfortunately) more likely than not, people will abuse help that is material in nature. I.E. money/etc. That is why I believe you can't just give people material things to help them.

However, I also realise that sometimes giving the proper help is something that a person/organisation/government simply doesn't have the capacity to do, and that that is the reason for which material help is often given. However, being the kind of person that I am, I can't stand settling for anything less than the best. If I can't afford it or don't have enough resources at the time, then I'll wait for the time at which I am capable of obtaining the best quality of what I'm looking for.

So what is your friend's question?

Thanks for playing into my hands.
http://blog.pornlandia.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/jokerclap.gif

Your number is #43768. Take a seat.

[Someone Else]

I was told to offer some input on this topic or to finish it or something so I think I will:

YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS ARGUING OVER NOTHING LAWL

So, drugs? I think they're bad for you. Period. The bad outweighs the good. The addiction and what it CAN do to your body isn't worth it, and in the end there are just better and less harmful ways to release endorphins and other **** to make you feel good.

Someone mentioned that video games can be just as harmful as drugs. Well... not really. You'd have to be a freak to let it get that bad. But WHY are drugs worse than video games? Well... any and all drugs DIRECTLY affect your body for better or for worse. Video games don't. Any negative effects to your body are sort of an indirect consequence for sitting for extended periods of time or sitting too close to the screen, meaning not only video games, but television and reading can have those negative effects as well. But with drugs, the consequences come DIRECTLY from snorting cocaine all day. Sorry if that doesn't make any sense, tried to explain that as best I could...

Granted, I've never taken any drugs. But bottom line, I've heard too many bad things about it and I have too much self-respect to do anything that can potentially screw me over for life. I don't need an addiction to anything, I like being self-reliant. Not only that, but I release endorphins from doing plenty of things, like fitness, video games, hanging out with friends, reading, etc. I just don't need it.

I have nothing against anyone who does drugs, though. I'd actually legalize marijuana if it was up to me. But in case you couldn't tell, if somebody asked me I'd tell them not to do it.

[Ironsight]

Christ, major tl;dr

[Toasty]

I can understand it. It makes sense, and it's basically my view on the subject aswell. I just don't see a reason for doing drugs. There's plenty of better alternatives, regardless of your reasons for it (unless maybe you were being held at gunpoin and forced to take some, but if it was me, I wouldn't anyway).

Nosferatu, on Sep 13 2008, 08:07 PM, said:

Thanks for playing into my hands.
http://blog.pornlandia.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/jokerclap.gif

Your number is #43768. Take a seat.

And that's why I don't like you. Not because you're an asshole to me, but because there's no room for people like you in the world, because things like that do nothing to help anyone. They don't even do a whole lot for yourself, other than maybe to make you feel good. If you don't like someone, or you don't like their views, then just say so. You don't need to insult someone to get that across.

[Ironsight]

I like to think of the more dangerous drugs as a way of culling the idiotic. When some retard ODs it betters the world.

[Golden Legacy]

Wind Dude, on Sep 13 2008, 11:10 PM, said:

So, drugs? I think they're bad for you. Period. The bad outweighs the good. The addiction and what it CAN do to your body isn't worth it, and in the end there are just better and less harmful ways to release endorphins and other **** to make you feel good.

Someone mentioned that video games can be just as harmful as drugs. Well... not really. You'd have to be a freak to let it get that bad. But WHY are drugs worse than video games? Well... any and all drugs DIRECTLY affect your body for better or for worse. Video games don't. Any negative effects to your body are sort of an indirect consequence for sitting for extended periods of time or sitting too close to the screen, meaning not only video games, but television and reading can have those negative effects as well. But with drugs, the consequences come DIRECTLY from snorting cocaine all day. Sorry if that doesn't make any sense, tried to explain that as best I could...

Granted, I've never taken any drugs. But bottom line, I've heard too many bad things about it and I have too much self-respect to do anything that can potentially screw me over for life. I don't need an addiction to anything, I like being self-reliant. Not only that, but I release endorphins from doing plenty of things, like fitness, video games, hanging out with friends, reading, etc. I just don't need it.

I have nothing against anyone who does drugs, though. I'd actually legalize marijuana if it was up to me. But in case you couldn't tell, if somebody asked me I'd tell them not to do it.

Major kudos to WD for this statement. Exactly how I feel, word for word, couldn't have said it better myself.

[Nosferatu]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 13 2008, 08:28 PM, said:

And that's why I don't like you. Not because you're an asshole to me, but because there's no room for people like you in the world, because things like that do nothing to help anyone. They don't even do a whole lot for yourself, other than maybe to make you feel good. If you don't like someone, or you don't like their views, then just say so. You don't need to insult someone to get that across.

Your point of view my friend, your point of view.

And talking to Split, all I did, was make him agree with himself even more. I work in a roundabout fashion. Learn it. Love it or hate it. Not. My. Problem.

[My Best Wishes]

Wind Dude, on Sep 14 2008, 01:10 PM, said:

But bottom line, I've heard too many bad things about it and I have too much self-respect to do anything that can potentially screw me over for life. I don't need an addiction to anything, I like being self-reliant.

Why did you take so long to post.

That's pretty much how I feel. I like my body, it's a good body, and I don't want Drugs, Alcohol or Smoking to mess it up.
Plus I like to think I'm emotionally tough enough to get through hard times without a release caused by a substance.

[Split Infinity]

And as a result, future hardships become easier to endure. It's character building.

[Ironsight]

Split Infinity, on Sep 13 2008, 09:21 PM, said:

It's character building.

It puts hair on your chest.
EDIT: Wait, no. That's alcohol.

[Caael]

Vanessa Hudgens, on Sep 14 2008, 02:25 AM, said:

10$ says more people have died from video games[seizures, lack of food/sleep etc.] than from weed(2).

Oh and weed 100%, proven fact, you can't dispute it, cures some things, some cancers included.

And ignore the legalization aspect for a secnd, because in many, not so stuck up countries it is legal.

Doesnt it help with eyesight as well for people who are close to becoming blind?

[Split Infinity]

Caael, on Sep 14 2008, 06:21 PM, said:

Doesnt it help with eyesight as well for people who are close to becoming blind?

What, the video games or the weed?

[Caael]

The weed.

[Mallick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuOTkrEVeb4...feature=related I love watching Neil Peart whilst stoned.

[Drizzy Drake]

Caael, on Sep 14 2008, 04:21 AM, said:

Doesnt it help with eyesight as well for people who are close to becoming blind?

yup. glauchoma or whatever it's called.

[Someone Else]

It's a known fact that video games can improve your abilities too...

Experts consider games that require dexterity, linear thinking, and that make other complex demands on coordination, eyes, and the brain as useful in the staving off of such progressive illnesses as Alzheimer’s.

Bottom line, everything and anything is bad for you if you do too much of it. Video games have more positive benefits than drugs do and are less dangerous, so stop comparing them. Everybody knows that weed isn't that bad for you, anyway.

[My Best Wishes]

Wind Dude, on Sep 15 2008, 05:38 AM, said:

Everybody knows that weed isn't that bad for you, anyway.

A recent study by the Canadian government found cannabis smoke contained more toxic substances than tobacco smoke. The study determined that marijuana smoke contained 20 times more ammonia, and five times more hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen oxides than tobacco smoke.

In contrast, a study published in the January 2008 edition of the journal Respirology found that "regular" cannabis smokers who developed bullous lung disease did so on average 24 years sooner than tobacco smoking counterparts. Researchers attributed this to the inhalation of a larger volume of smoke, and typically holding it for four times longer than tobacco smokers. Bullous lung disease is considered an uncommon cause of respiratory distress. In general, habitual inhalation of any kind of smoke is detrimental to lung health.

Cannabis use has been linked to exacerbating the effects of depression, psychosis, schizophrenia, bronchitis, and emphysema. More recently, the Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study published research showing an increased risk of psychosis for cannabis users.

Studies have also shown links between heavy long-term use (over five joints daily over several years) and incidence of heart attacks, strokes, as well as abnormalities in the amygdala and hippocampus regions of the brain.

In July 2007, British medical journal The Lancet published a study that indicates that cannabis users have, on average, a 41% greater risk of developing psychosis than non-users. The risk was most pronounced in cases with an existing risk of psychotic disorder, and was said to grow up to 200% for the most-frequent users.

That's a small fragment of an article I found, but nah guys, drugs are perfectly health for you. :(

[Iloverpgs]

Drugs are bad, marijuana is a plant and a cure for some health problems. Marijuana is illegal because of greedy politicians and there money. You can't illegalize alcy because the prohibition is proof on what happens when you try to do that, which would cause even more problems. Man this **** ain't a war on drugs it's a war on poverty. Oh I forgot to mention that 9/10 people in prison are there for non-violent crimes.

[Split Infinity]

It doesn't matter if it's a plant, you might as well be smoking poison ivy.

[Iloverpgs]

Are you ****ing serious dude? You are comparing poision ivy to weed? First off I never said weed can be unhealthy, but really yes it is NATURAL and we actually have THC receptors in our brain. lol wow this is pointless to argue to you guys when you compare poison ivy to marijuana. "hahahaha you might as well be comparing weed to poison ivy." lol

[I'm Always BROKE]

"Herb is a plant." As said by the great Bob Marley, and I couldn't agree more. It's absolute nonsence that marijuanna isn't legalised, while the real **** as asperine, caffiene and the worst; alcohol is. Marijuanna ofcoarse isn't healthy seen as it has to be smoked, but it's nearly not as bad as most of the things I listed there. However, ofcoarse that also depends on the person themselves.

I see it like this; weed isn't legal cause the government can't make any profit out of it, while the people can and this goes strictly against capitalism. Alcohol is selled in stores, and has been since... forever, cause wine is probably the most old and famous drink there is. While litterally selling drugs in stores is a big taboo, cause it's still a drug that makes you numb without medical benefits like asperine or caffiene, but it numbs you just for fun (seen from a very global statement ofcoarse -I like to call it meditation myself) - like alcohol.

Btw, I'm high at this very moment as well. All I've got left to say is that Herb's good very everyone, and governments should realise this.

[Iloverpgs]

There you go Diddy Kong, that was a good post. BTW I am open to any thoughts on marijuana and drugs.

[Split Infinity]

I would never have guessed, given your previous attitude.

I'm not comparing marijuana to poison ivy, all I'm saying is just because something comes out of the ground doesn't mean you should eat it. It's been shown that cannabis smoke is far more poisonous than tobacco, and it causes lung cancer, heart attacks and stroke just as easily.

[Iloverpgs]

Sorry about that I misunderstood you. But, how can cannibus be more harmful when tobacco is a manufactured product and marijuana is made by growing it and is not messed with all of those chemicals they put in tobacco? See i'm not saying marijuana has it's harmful effects, but ANYTHING you smoke is harmful to your body. Marijuana is just looked at as harmful for all the wrong reasons.

[I'm Always BROKE]

True. You might as well smoke nutmeg and you'll also get high. Of coarse not the same as marijuanna itself (but it's also fun, no doubt but... kinda strange) but it's probably just as 'healthy' to smoke as marijuanna. But as I said before, marijuanna doesn't has the medical benefits as other drugs and is more viewed as a numbermaker just for fun, while nutmeg is a pretty common ingredient, but just as harmful as smoked (I ofcoarse could be wrong with this).

[Split Infinity]

That's true, but it's still worse than smoking, at least in its inhaled form.

Wikipedia said:

A recent study by the Canadian government found cannabis smoke contained more toxic substances than tobacco smoke. The study determined that marijuana smoke contained 20 times more ammonia, and five times more hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen oxides than tobacco smoke.

Same article goes on to explain cannabis users developed lung cancer on average 24 years earlier than tobacco smokers. I think this has been quoted already, oh well.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Though... remember that marijuanna isn't physically addicting, while tobacco is.

[Split Infinity]

It is, just not as much. Though I guess it's hard to scale these things.

[Iloverpgs]

Right, but then I could say that how many people die because of tobacco and how many people die because of marijuana? Millions a year we hear about all these people dying off of tobacco, but when it comes to the discussion of marijuana it's all about how marijuana is illegal and horrible because the TRUTH commercials say so. Like I said before the government knows all of this but MONEY is the reason why tobacco is killing all these people and marijuana is considered bad.

[Split Infinity]

That's because people tend not to go overboard and have a pack of joints a day, because of the limited availability. Unlike cigarettes, which you can just grab off a shelf and chain-smoke your heart out.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Still, myself concerned I wouldn't risk becomming a hardcore smoker myself (like, smoking 1 or more joint a day) cause lung cancer doesn't look too comfortable to me.... But I just realised, the government can make loads of money too with this problem. Just make them invent some medical machine that can 'wash' your lungs, and make us damn potheads PAY for it so that we need a job and thus still be useful for the government economy.

Dude, governments should open up for this stuff... Cause it can be the new big thing of the future and would make the world a much more peaceful place with no hidden tentions so there won't be extreme democrats and extreme socialists anymore.

Legalise the herb worldwide. May I not remind you that I'm high at this very moment as well... ^^

[Iloverpgs]

Right, but there's the people who smoke more weed then they do cigs. Plus you got the people who just smoke weed. If it were legalized I am not sure if you would get easier access to marijuana, but what I do know I gaurantee there's people out there who have smoked weed there whole life and don't smoke cigs that they are alright. Then you could say some people out there have smoked cigs there whole life and are alright.
It all depends on the person. The thing is you get high off of marijuana which ceases you to smoke as much as cigs and is not physically addicting and is just mental addiction. Cigs are a physically and mental addicting product.

[Golden Legacy]

It takes more effort and wasted resources to completely ban substances than when it's legal.

It sounds silly, but when it's legalized, it loses a lot of the "thunder" and dynamic, get-above-the-law appeal. Hence why I support the legalization of marijuana in small amounts.

Not to mention many of my friends smoke and get drunk and have done drugs, and they're some of the best people I know. I'm not going to let that judge them.

[Split Infinity]

I already told you, they are physically depending, just not as much.

[Iloverpgs]

Hmmm good point GL. elimination of one product will cause a lot of problems, but man a solution to drugs, marijuana, alcy, cigs is indeed a hard process.


Spliff_infinity- Marijuana is NOT physically dependant, I would know from personal experience. I have been smoking weed for 5 years and cigs for 3. Now, weed is not a need it's just a want. Cigs are a need because I will feel physical withdrawls after a few days of not having one. I quit weed for 2 months without any withdrawls other then "damn I wish I could get high."

[I'm Always BROKE]

Split can you please not be so stiffheaded? Marijuanna is not physically addicting, you just do it again if you have had a good time before with the stuff. Many people have completely stopped smoking after they've gone into a "bad trip", while alcoholics most likely keep drinking even after they've drunk themselves into a coma. Though, having good times with the herb can make it mentally addictive ofcoarse... but you can get mentally addictive to almost anything, like chocolate for instance.

[Split Infinity]

So you're saying that nobody who has ever or will ever smoke marijuana has ever or will ever have any sort of withdrawal symptoms at all?

[I'm Always BROKE]

No, not physically at least and I can tell from experience exactly the same as Iloverpgs really. If I stop smoking marijuanna for a time, I feel completely no drawbacks physically - actually, you could feel physically better if you don't smoke in the way of getting better stamina for instance. But of coarse not getting high can be somewhat bad for your mental wellbeing, so it's deffinatly mentally addictive.

[Iloverpgs]

The withdrawl symptoms for marijuana are included in the mind not physically, other then if you like to smoke before you goto bed then you could get insomnia but, the difference between physical addiction and mental addcition is that physical is where your body actually needs the substance where as mental is just you want it because you just do. It's like your wanting chocolate or something you like to do everyday but you can't because your in a desert or something.

[Split Infinity]

Well I'm getting my facts from Wiki, so...

[I'm Always BROKE]

It's no problem, it's just the way your envoirment has made you look into the subject, I can't blame you for that but the envoirment in general is very much influenced by the media and thus the government.

Just a question though, I know the Netherlands isn't the only place where marijuanna is legalised (it's just the most famous cause of Amsterdam) but I've got no glue where else it's legal to blaze it... So, could someone please enlighten me? ^^

[Split Infinity]

Wikipedia isn't controlled by the government though. :S

[I'm Always BROKE]

It is made by people who believe in the government still. Not quite the same of coarse, and Wikipedia shows many facts with sources but it's not the complete truth either, hence why many people complain about it.

[Split Infinity]

Anyway, don't take this personally, but just because you react in a certain way to a drug doesn't mean everyone does.

[Mallick]

Marijuana isn't physically addictive. 'Nuff said.

It's illegal to blaze here, but we have bong shops and such. It's a very loosely governed law.

[Toasty]

Iloverpgs, on Sep 18 2008, 02:48 PM, said:

Are you ****ing serious dude? You are comparing poision ivy to weed? First off I never said weed can be unhealthy, but really yes it is NATURAL and we actually have THC receptors in our brain. lol wow this is pointless to argue to you guys when you compare poison ivy to marijuana. "hahahaha you might as well be comparing weed to poison ivy." lol

Ozone is natural, and it's also poisonous ti the human body. Not all things that are natural, are harmless.

Bottom line is, weed is unhealthy for you, and while it's not physically addicting, it can be mentally addicting. It's pretty easy to make a habit out of something you like to do. Even if it isn't healthy.

The reason why weed is illegal isn't because polliticians are rich *******s. Infact, those rich pollititians could just legalise the drug and throw a huge tax on it, and make even more money. It's illegal because it harmful to the body, and can be easily abused.

Alcohol is a poison. Too much of it can kill you, because after all, it's poisonous. You're liver is what takes care of that poison, so after a while, you get liver failure. But, if you stop drinking before your liver begins to fail, you likely won't experience any negative side effects.

On the contrary, your kubgs weren't designed to filter out anything. Though alcohol doesn't negatively affect the stomach, smoke negatively affects the lungs, it can cause the lungs to deteriorate even after inhailing a little bit. After a while, you can experience irreversible damage.

Alcohol is a poison that can be filtered out of your body without many long lasting side affects. Smoke is just plain harmful to the lungs, and the harmful particles it carries aren't filtered anywhere between the mouth and the lungs.

[Golden Legacy]

Alcohol is indeed a toxin to the body. Though, that hasn't stopped it from being consumed since the time of the ancient Greeks (with grape vine). And to my knowledge, there can be some health benefits in moderation. Drinking red wine can lower the risk of artherosclerosis, because the blood vessels widen slightly to allow fats and plaques to pass through and not clog up.

At any rate, personally, you'll never see me drink, smoke, or do drugs. But I'm not going to stop people from doing so either, unless it genuinely poses a serious health risk to them and they're going overboard.

[Ironsight]

Golden Legacy, on Sep 18 2008, 03:32 PM, said:

It takes more effort and wasted resources to completely ban substances than when it's legal.

It sounds silly, but when it's legalized, it loses a lot of the "thunder" and dynamic, get-above-the-law appeal. Hence why I support the legalization of marijuana in small amounts.

Not to mention many of my friends smoke and get drunk and have done drugs, and they're some of the best people I know. I'm not going to let that judge them.

What do you mean by "small amounts"?

[Toasty]

And how does that make sense? Sure, some people only, or even mostly do weed just because it's illegal, but for most, it's not the fact that it's illegal that makes them smoke. I mean seriously. There's not really a whole lot of pot-heads out there who smoke just to be defiant.

And of course it takes more effort to ban them. And the resources are hardly wasted. Illegal drugs are illegal for a reason: They pose a health risk, can be easily abused, and pose few health benefits if any.

From what I've read, [pure] ecstasy poses very few health risks, isn't physically addicting, and is relatively harmless. However, because of the sensation it gives the user, it can become very mentally addictive. If it wasn't banned back when it was, it'd be sold by the bucketloads. But the thing is, it'd make the buyers broke.

Look at it this way: most people who are addicted to cocaine or heroin generally end up spending all of their money on the stuff. What makes ecstasy worse, is that unlike those other drugs, it isn't known to cause any health problems. Because of this, it can be very easily abused.

The same goes for weed, though weed is also more harmful to the human body than ecstasy.

[Drizzy Drake]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 20 2008, 03:33 AM, said:

And how does that make sense? Sure, some people only, or even mostly do weed just because it's illegal, but for most, it's not the fact that it's illegal that makes them smoke. I mean seriously. There's not really a whole lot of pot-heads out there who smoke just to be defiant.

And of course it takes more effort to ban them. And the resources are hardly wasted. Illegal drugs are illegal for a reason: They pose a health risk, can be easily abused, and pose few health benefits if any.

From what I've read, [pure] ecstasy poses very few health risks, isn't physically addicting, and is relatively harmless. However, because of the sensation it gives the user, it can become very mentally addictive. If it wasn't banned back when it was, it'd be sold by the bucketloads. But the thing is, it'd make the buyers broke.

Look at it this way: most people who are addicted to cocaine or heroin generally end up spending all of their money on the stuff. What makes ecstasy worse, is that unlike those other drugs, it isn't known to cause any health problems. Because of this, it can be very easily abused.

The same goes for weed, though weed is also more harmful to the human body than ecstasy.

FOR ONCE HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH!!! e will always be my weakness. not blow, or jack, or crack, or weed, e. but see, sure weed is more harmfull on the body than mdma is, that physically addiction that e brings can just ruin your life.

doing it once a month is all fine and dandy, but doing e any more than that will start to really fuck with you.

I do find it funny though that some people like the head of the DEA put weed right up there with crack. Like, it's just insane that some people actually think like this.

[Blue]

So, I got some more Ritalin. Woo! Concentration up the ass baby.

[Saturos S.]

Ashley Tisdale, on Sep 20 2008, 09:33 AM, said:

From what I've read, [pure] ecstasy poses very few health risks, isn't physically addicting, and is relatively harmless. However, because of the sensation it gives the user, it can become very mentally addictive. If it wasn't banned back when it was, it'd be sold by the bucketloads. But the thing is, it'd make the buyers broke.

Look at it this way: most people who are addicted to cocaine or heroin generally end up spending all of their money on the stuff. What makes ecstasy worse, is that unlike those other drugs, it isn't known to cause any health problems. Because of this, it can be very easily abused.

The same goes for weed, though weed is also more harmful to the human body than ecstasy.

Though you all fail to see that mental addictions can and commonly do manifest themselves in a physical way. Stress, a mental problem ie. has a lot of physical symptons. Plus, the fact that some of these drugs make you lose total control seems quite a risk. With ecstasy, you don't get tired, so if you're up raving etc. you could get seriously dehydrated.

[TheEnglishman]

I've been taking drugs all day.
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Parcetamol that is.

[Kuchiyose]

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I've been taking drugs all day.
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Parcetamol that is.

Yeah same here, I think I'm getting a cold

[Toasty]

I haven't taken any kind of drug in along time. Not even benedril or ibuprofin (lolsp) when I was sick a week ago.