[huimi]

Then I wonder which next generation console you plan to buy.^^
Or you don't wanna buy any of them?

[Sea of Time]

Chances are I won't be getting any of them, but if I were to get one, it would be the Rev.

[TheEnglishman]

Sea_of_Time, on Nov 18 2005, 01:27 PM, said:

Of course, Sega also has a good relationship with Nintendo. We'll probably see a few Sonic titles for the Rev too.

There has been screenshots of a new sonic game for PS3 and I think it's on Xbox 360 as well but there hasn't been any word on Revolution version. Maybe they aren't going to do the same game for Revolution.
Then again there hasn't been any revolution screenshots so it's hard to tell.

[huimi]

The first time we are both online.
What you said is just that I am to say.
If I will get one, it would be Rev, but at least 3 years later.

[Sea of Time]

I have a feeling due to the difference of the controller there will not be many games that come on the Rev that are on the 360 or the PS3.

[TheEnglishman]

Sea_of_Time, on Nov 18 2005, 03:51 PM, said:

I have a feeling due to the difference of the controller there will not be many games that come on the Rev that are on the 360 or the PS3.

Good point. I suppose that it will be different to the way things are now, due to the controller differences.

[Sea of Time]

I mean there was always a seperation between the Gamecube and the PS2 and XBox as far as maturity goes. Traditionally, more mature gamers bought the PS2 or the XBox. Now, that rift will go wider as Nintendo moves towards revolutionizing everything about gaming, while Microsoft and Sony focus more on online play.

[TheEnglishman]

I don't know which one I would get. I'm willing to wait for a while before I make any decision.

[huimi]

I heard of that Rev may release some screenshots before 2006.
If that's true, we may see them soon.

And it seems that Nintendo has paid more attention to online games.

[Someone Else]

The "Revolutionary" controller that Nintendo made is both their best and worst idea. It has the potential to be awesome, but there's going to be a noticeable gap in multi-platform games for them. Not good for business.

Then again, the DS has different controls than normal, and there are plenty of multi-plats for it.

Only time can tell if the Rev sucks.

[Golden Djinn13]

I'm not going to wait for the Rev (I don't know if im gonna buy it). Im definately buying the Xbox 360....Once I manage to get enough money for it. :blink:

[huimi]

Wind Dude, on Nov 19 2005, 08:21 AM, said:

The "Revolutionary" controller that Nintendo made is both their best and worst idea. It has the potential to be awesome, but there's going to be a noticeable gap in multi-platform games for them. Not good for business.

Then again, the DS has different controls than normal, and there are plenty of multi-plats for it.

Only time can tell if the Rev sucks.

You can also use NGC controller for Rev.
That's how you can play GC games on Rev.

[Someone Else]

We all know that, but that still doesn't mean that multi-plat games will let it slide.

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 18 November 2005 - 11:13 PM

[huimi]

Why not? If not because of the controller.

[Sea of Time]

Microsoft is smart. Here you can pay 400 for the core 360, which includes a wired controller and no hard drive. The 500 dollar 360 has a wireless controller XBox Live Silver and a 20 GB hard drive.

[Eugine]

How does the controller affect multi-platform games? Just simply make it "GC Controller" must or whatever. I don't know about you'll but I think Nintendo's the only one who's studying evolving the market rather than making money.

[Sea of Time]

They are the only one's looking to the future of gaming, but this is not making them money, as you said. That's why we condemn them for decisions like the controller. But like it's been said a million times, all we have to do is sit back and wait and see how it turns out.

[Blink]

And yet again, he's the one that says it best. The DS is getting tons of good games a year into release, and I mean TONS. Jump Super Stars, Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow, Advance Wars DS, Trauma Center: Under the knife, Pheonix Wright: Ace Attorney, Mario and Luigi: Partners in time, Mario Kart DS, Nintendogs, Animal Crossing Wild World, Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble, and Sonic Rush, just to name a few. Not to mention Sk8land and Mario Kart are online, really, the DS is doing incredibly well.

If anything, this is proof that Nintendo knows what risks they're taking with the Revolution, and by now, they know that there's absolutely no reason to go back on this idea. People thought badly of the DS, but if anything, I'd say it's brought more fun titles by how open it is to new interaction. I like what the DS has brought me a year after I got it, and there's no reason I'll not get a Revolution if it brings more of the same.

[Someone Else]

I know, there are too many good DS games coming out at once... I can't buy them all. i^i;

[Sea of Time]

Yes, people who do notice that the DS has good titles will go straight for the Rev. But, the DS may have good titles, but it doesn't make blockbuster titles, which means, only people who trust Nintendo will go for a game such as Trauma Center. This might be a problem if the same is true for the Revolution. The games might be good, but how many people will notice?

[Golden Djinn13]

Does anybody else want, or already have a 360?

Im trying (and have been for quite a while now) to find a job, so that I can save up enough money
for one. If I got a job, and saved up for about 5 weeks, I could be able to afford one... :agitated:

[Sea of Time]

I would love one, but I just think that to get the best of the 360, you have to buy into all the features, and I would rather wait and see what the Revolution will be like.

[Blink]

I'll probably get a 360 eventually for 3 reasons...1. The FPSes and RPGs, 2. The great LAN and online gameplay, and 3. The Rare titles(from the company). FPS and RPGs were rare on the Gamecube, but now that the Revo controller is out, I think my mind is changed on #1 there, for #2, my neighbor's an Xbox fan, and so if it's between 360 and PS3, if he gets a 360, I probably will too. And for #3? Well, I was mad over Banjo Kazooie, and if Threeie is on the Xbox 360, you can surely bet I'll have a 360 before it's out.

[Sea of Time]

I want to see Halo 3 online for the 360. Anyways, can someone explain to me how the 360 is so much different than the XBox.

[Blink]

Sea_of_Time, on Nov 23 2005, 12:35 PM, said:

I want to see Halo 3 online for the 360. Anyways, can someone explain to me how the 360 is so much different than the XBox.

For one, it supports Silver Xbox live, the free version, so that's a major plus for me(being cheap and all), obviously, it's got better graphics. The controllers are far better, being wireless, not bulky, and more comfy/well laid out. More power means bigger LAN parties, and you can buy a lot more things online this time, things that aren't even related to gameplay. Basically, it's a bigger(in power, not size), better Xbox, with an insanely better online setup, and some people wondered if it could ever get better than the original Xbox live. It's all about the online really, so I guess the PS3 is really the better choice, but somehow, I think I'm getting the 360 anyways, whether it be price, loading speed, online, controls, or all of the above.

[Laharl]

RPGs on the 360-all i can say is hahaha, Rev will have more RPGs than 360, and PS3 will have most, although DS will have lots. Getting a PS3 anyway, i've sold my soul to SE and Nippon

[Sea of Time]

I think the PS3 will be even more money than the XBox 360 is!

Has anyone tried Perfect Dark Zero yet?

[Laharl]

that does look pretty impressive, damned traitorous backstabbing *******s at rare, the only game that has my interest and Kameo

[Sea of Time]

Haha, has anyone heard that the 360's are overheating and melting the game discs? Microsoft might have a problem on their hands.

[Laharl]

THAT is interesting, stupid Microsoft, stick with windows

[Blink]

I'm actually very afraid. The Revolution is so small and unventelated, I think it might melt the case. The PS3 has had reports of the entire console melting because of overheating if played for over an hour, and the Xbox 360 melts game disks, and shuts down if you don't freaking suspend the power adapter, I mean seriously, what the heck?

Revo will be quiet and small, I just hope it doesn't overheat like the other consoles...sadly, we don't know for now. This is all starting to worry me about a next gen of carp.

[Sea of Time]

I'm sure after hearing what happened to the 360, Sony and Nintendo will take measures to make sure their systems are well-ventilated, even if it makes them look less "sexy".

[Golden Djinn13]

I really think that the 360 was released way too early. They gave Sony and Nintendo a lot of time
to see what may be wrong with the 360 and make that feature better on theirs. Anyways, im not too
excited over getting the Rev., it just doesnt look that great to me. I really want the PS3 instead.

[Sea of Time]

Are you gonna have enough money for the PS3, it looks very expensive! If it's average with the others in price though, I agree, it looks much better than the other two design and feature-wise.

[Laharl]

overheating discs, how can they not notice such a flaw in play testing!?
"The game plays fine, discs abit sticky though"

[Sea of Time]

laharl the slayer, on Nov 28 2005, 02:30 AM, said:

overheating discs, how can they not notice such a flaw in play testing!?
"The game plays fine, discs abit sticky though"

XD, I think it might have been a factory problem. If not, Microsoft made a huge error.

[Golden Djinn13]

Microsoft always makes an error with everything XD.

I'm still trying to "Get Rich Quick" so that I can afford both the PS3 and Xbox 360, but
in my current postion, I really wish I was Bill Gates B) .

[Laharl]

360 will probably be beaten by psp so PS3 can trample over what's left of the market

[pHantOm]

I havent voted yet but Im guessing all you guys are voting for revolution. Hate to break it to you but Nintendo has publically stated its not ment to "compete" with the other systems, its stats arent even on the same page as the 360 or the PS3. And if you guys havent delt with Customer Service with Sony I will inform you of how **** they are. Bought a MP3 player from them, its screen went into a glowing green jell and I couldnt read the display. Send it to them 4 months ago, just got it back last week.

[Someone Else]

I knew that quite a while ago.

I think the PS3 will win console-wise, but I still think the DS is the better handheld for games.

[Sea of Time]

Hopefully Sony will have a better lineup of games then they usually have for the PS3. Even though we've only seen pre-rendered stuff, the new Gran Turismo looks sweet.

[Blink]

1st console is good competition
2nd steals market totally
3rd is way different, takes huge losses

That's how consoles NES and after, work. I think PS3 will take huge losses for Sony, and the 360 will take over the market with cheaper methods, just like the Playstation and N64. PS1 was huge competition to Nintendo. PS2, Nintendo flat out lost. Xbox was good competition to PS2. Etc. And it's all obvious in the Ninty history, NES win, SNES win more, N64 fall. Just wait and see. Genesis was okay, Saturn I think did better, don't know, Dreamcast took more losses than Sega could handle.

[Golden Djinn13]

pHantOm, on Dec 1 2005, 11:32 AM, said:

And if you guys havent delt with Customer Service with Sony I will inform you of how **** they are. Bought a MP3 player from them, its screen went into a glowing green jell and I couldnt read the display. Send it to them 4 months ago, just got it back last week.

Your not the only one, during the summer I called them practically everyday to find out about the 2.0 upgrade for the psp, and they kept telling me that they didn't know anything about it, and that I should call back later. It kept up for about 2 weeks before they finally released it. :) Jerks...

[Laharl]

to be honest i don't which sells the most, i'll buy what i like, if you don't like it **** off, although stabs at Microsoft are fun

[Sea of Time]

Microsoft's list of 1001 ways to take your money.

1. Offer two systems, one with more features for more $$$
89. Two types of XBox live! = more $$$
245. Make people pay $2 to get a picture on your Live! profile.
765. Have downloadable games for more $$$
1001. Make people pay to get their system's fixed when they melt.

[Laharl]

i've finished my critism for now, anyone have a 360? Is Perfect Dark Zero as good as they say it is?

[Neon]

X360 looks good. Nice graphics, nice console, nice games, nice online.
Sony is more of the same, but is more suited to powering satelites and intergalactic missiles than playing any real games...

And rev is off in the corner looking cool and stylish and... odd. I'm looking forward to this the most. I'm not so much looking forward to it because it's nintendo - their standards have dropped considerably over the last few years - but because it's fascinating. It's like a freak. You can't help but be interested ;P

[Laharl]

the controller is certainly...interesting. should be good, they just better games from other developers

[Sea of Time]

One of two things can happen, Nintendo is the odd man out, with weird controllers making weird games, or it blows away the competition, with thousands of gameplay varieties with the new controller. Nintendo's taking a big gamble, but if they appeal to the right market and play their cards right with the games, the Revolution might sell great.

[Laharl]

looking unlikely, X-box is out early and most people will buy Sony over Nintendo these days (outside of japan)

[Blink]

Actually SoT, you're all wrong. Revolution will be a hit or side console, according to recent news from developers. Apparently, the Revolution's hardware(from what they have in the beta kits, just shipped out last week) is looking to only be about twice the power of the Gamecube, so no where near Xbox 360 and PS3 with their HD power, but, on the other hand, it's still going to be much much better looking than past consoles, just, their focus won't switch from hair textures to hair polygons like everyone else. There's a huge upside to this though, because from what the developers are seeing, the console, with it's current hardware, is being well expected by all developers as $150 or less, not to mention, "a $100 price isn't out of the question". Hit or slide, by that, I mean it'll hit the market head on, and it's the first thing you'll put on your christmas list for it's games and it's great controls, with that expensive clunky Xbox360/Ps3 on the side(or not at all), or it'll be a slide, where anyone who can afford the Xbox360 or PS3 will surely grab a Revolution too, with the console's place sliding off into a side position, still selling as well as the others, but not exactly competing for that spot on the Christmas list, compared to everyone else's split between the 360 and the PS3, since no one can afford both. It'll also expand into the Elderly and Women's markets, like the DS, with it's cheaper price and it's easier controls. I really think this will turn out well for Nintendo, and it'll have some great benefits for us, but for some reason, it feels like they're going into the Fast Food business, of cheap games for everyone, but still their own brand name, and loads of fun(like McDonalds, well known, cheap, tasty, and for everyone), but the thing here is, Nintendo will retain its quality gameplay, unlike many fast food joints that gave up their quality work environments or sanitization for cost.

I'd say the future's looking bright for Nintendo, but something just feels off about it right now.

[Laharl]

is it just me or does $150 for a new next gen consiole soind like nintendo is getting desperate?

[Eugine]

Surveys all over the world shows that the Revolution is the least anticipated console.
In Japan, people actually said they are looking foward to getting an X360 rather than the Revolution.

But yeah, I'd wait and see how things turn out with the controller and price and all to make my judgement.

This post has been edited by Eugine: 09 December 2005 - 03:39 AM

[Golden Djinn13]

From a rumor that I heard here in a America, many people have returned their 360's because they overheat really quicly, and the system turns of by itself after 45 minutes to an hour. Wierd.

[Saturos S.]

I saw something like that, followed by a denial from Microsoft and the Gamesmagazine.... said it was a cheap rumor

[Someone Else]

Golden Djinn13, on Dec 9 2005, 06:02 AM, said:

From a rumor that I heard here in a America, many people have returned their 360's because they overheat really quicly, and the system turns of by itself after 45 minutes to an hour. Wierd.

That was discussed earlier in the topic, and it's not a rumor; it's true.

As for the Rev... I'm indifferent. It's too early to tell anything for one thing, and I don't want to join you Nintendo haters out there with your "the DS and the Rev suck!!!" vibe. ;P

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is it just me or does $150 for a new next gen consiole soind like nintendo is getting desperate?

Hmh. Not necessarily, Nintendo's policy has always been to make cheap, quality products. The DS is cheap considering what it does, and so is the GBA Micro. Have you SEEN the Micro? It's tiny!! AND it goes for 90-150 dollars, that's a bargain for how small it is. Talk about nano technology. :P

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 09 December 2005 - 05:47 PM

[Sea of Time]

I've heard two rumours and I'm wondering if they're true.

84% of X360's have malfunctioned and Microsoft is being sued.

and

The PS3 can be sold for no less than $1000.

If someone can answer these, that would be great.

[Eugine]

Both are false I think. Let me do some research first before I actually type my stuff out.

EDIT:

Although it's not confirmed, they say PS3 might be 300-400US. Sony will take loss on hardware and make profit on software sales.

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Sony has for the first time given some genuine hints on possible pricing strategy of their upcoming gaming console Playstation 3. With Microsoft launching their Xbox 360 today, it became important for the entertainment giant to give some hints to the consumers on what they would have to pay for Sony Playstation 3 gaming console due to be launched sometime next year.

Sony CEO Howard Stringer stated in a comment that the Playstation 3 would enter the market at between $300 and $400 when it arrives in mid-2006. He was talking to the FORTUNE magazine when he confirmed that Sony would indeed be shipping the initial deliveries of their Playstation 3 console at massive subsidized rates to get the consumers to their gaming console.

They also want to get their self-developed next generation DVD format, the Blu-Ray disc popular in to the market and are including the drives with their Sony Playstation 3 console. This quashes any rumors in the market which claimed that the Sony Playstation 3 would be significantly expensive than Xbox 360 because of the additional costs of the included Blu-Ray drive.

Stinger however did not reveal any specific launch period for the PS3 though he mentioned that the console would ship with a bundle of games, movies and TV shows. This move is to showcase the capabilities of their new generation console. Microsoft on their part has shown interests in supporting the Blu-Ray competing standard HD DVD being developed by Toshiba. The Xbox 360 units being shipped right now however comes installed with a standard DVD drive.

EDIT 2:
The Microsoft part, the 84% part is fake, but indeed MS is being sued.

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Microsoft has been sued by a Chicago man who bought the company's new Xbox 360 game console over alleged overheating and lockup issues. The suit, which asks for class-action status, accuses Microsoft of rushing to market a flawed system to ensure it beat competitors Sony and Nintendo to the punch.

According to Reuters, the suit seeks damages and litigation related expenses, as well as a replacement or recall of Xbox 360 consoles.


To its defense, Microsoft said the issues with the new console affect less than three percent of all units sold, which is lower than the average rate of defects for newly released electronics, according to analysts.

However, within days of the console's launch, complaints surfaced across the Web citing the problems listed in the lawsuit. According to Robert Byers, the man responsible for filing the suit, the power supply and CPU are prone to overheating, thus causing the lockup problems.

Posts on gaming sites indicate the problems occur during regular use and also while logged into the Xbox Live online gaming service. The errors appear on a black screen listing several error messages, affected gamers have reported.

"It's my understanding that Microsoft hasn't acknowledged a major problem, and I would say that it's just too early to tell if there really is one," explained Jupiter Research senior analyst Joe Wilcox. "Not that it matters. The perception of a problem is serious enough for Microsoft to swiftly act to mollify early Xbox 360 users."

According to Wilcox, Microsoft "confirmed a liberal repair policy, for which the company will pay overnight shipping both ways."

This post has been edited by Eugine: 09 December 2005 - 07:04 PM

[Sea of Time]

I knew I couldn't trust my stupid Nintendo fanboy friend on his accusations. He keeps saying the PS3 will be 1000 and the X360 will explode, so the N. Rev is the only logical choice. :P

[Blink]

I was talking to a geek friend yesterday at school, and when I told him about the Revo's possible $100 price point, he said "Heck, I might pick one up, and then a spare for my car"

Another guy responded, "That'll be less than the PS2 will cost by the time it's released!"

So far, so good on the idea of cheap. We already knew the Revo wouldn't be powerful, so honestly, this is good news, that it's actually being made up for.

[Someone Else]

Heck, as long as the games are fun to play, who cares?

[Sea of Time]

SSBR on a system that's only a hundred bucks? My dreams are coming true!

[Eugine]

I'd buy a system for $100 but how much games I'd get for it is another question.
I'd buy a system for $400 as long as the games I like are on it.

[Eugine]

EDIT:
Here's some stuff about the PS3, so yeah.

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This is taken from the latest PSM issue. I don't know if it'll get deleted seing as how it's a little long. sorry.


PSM: What do you say to the Playstation 2 owner that knows the PS3 is coming in 2006, and isn't sure what that means for their current system?

Kaz Hirai: We're into year five now with the Playstation 2 and we see a lot of life left in the Playstation 2 even after the Playstation 3 is launched. I think that a lot of publishers who were really not as aggressive in pursuing the older platform in terms of software support saw how the Playstation was in business for 10 years, so I think this time around you're going to see a lot more titles coming out for the Playstation 2, certainly next year and even beyond, obviously from first party, but also third party community as well.

PSM: What ever happened with the PS2 HDD and the media software for it?

Kaz Hirai: A couple of things there. One, we felt that a lot of those uses were suited for a portable environment, so you see a lot of that on the Playstation Portable. By the nature of the portability of the product, you going to have more uses for things like showing photos to your friends and what have you. That, as well as, quite honestly, the ramp up and the number of units were able to get out of the hard drive and the software support unfortunately did not mean we were going to have a 1:1 tie ratio with the Playstation 2s we had out in the market. We also had the redesign to the slim model PS2 as well, so, what we've done, again, in realize that these are all good functions to have, and we've incorporated them into the Playstation Portable. I think it's proven to be nice functionality that many people will take advantage of.

PSM: Can we expect more totally original titles on PSP in 2006?

Kaz Hirai: Yes. We certainly want to bring a lot of franchises to the PSP that are originally developed for that platform, but, at the same time, one of the things we want to accomplish with the Playstation Portable is to really expand the Playstation experience to the handheld enviroment. So both in terms of variations of existing franchises-Which, as you know, aren't just simple ports; they're using the same name but have completely different gameplay- we want to take advantage of the franchises we've built, but also being cognizant that you don't establish a new platform by just relying on existing franchises and you do need to push the envelope with great original content, like, for example Pursuit Force.

PSM: Are you still committed to a spring launch for PS3?

Kaz Hirai: We are still strategizing over that, and we've not come to a decision yet as to whether we want to with Japan first, the same time, three territories at the same time. Those things we're still looking at, and it's obviously a decision that needs to be made with us weighting a variety of actors, including how many units we can ramp up to, what is the manufacturing capacity, but, more importantly, what kind of software lineup are we going to have between first- and third-party in any of the three territories that will get the product first, being Japan, Europe, and the U.S. Which territory has the flow of software, the lineup of software? That will factor into it as well. So, basically, in a nutshell, it's too early to answer that question both from the manufacturing ramp up standpoint as well as the software lineup standpoint.

PSM: Can we sqush the rumors of PS3 slipping into 2007?

Kaz Hirai: [laughs] yes...unless we have no software, which I doubt very much, we're still on track for a sping 2006 launch.

PSM: How much of an impact on PS3 will Microsoft's head start with Xbox360- however long it may be-have?

Jack Tretton: I consider myself womewhat of a student of history, and while I don't think that the past is ever any guarantee of the future, a couple of things I like to point out factually that clearly are indicative of what you can expect going forward. Number one, we've never been the first platform to market. When we original launched the Playstation, the Sega Saturn hit the market before we did and ultimately that didn't help them prevail. The last time around with Playstation 2, the dreamcast hit the market first and ultimately that didn't help them prevail. Number two, if you say that this generation really came down to a battle between us and Microsoft, we sold three million PS2s before it hit the shelves in the States and if you look at the score now, it's 34 million for PS2 to roughly 14 million for Xbox. I think that, in Microsoft's mind, that three million we sold was really paramount. As far as what it would take for a lead by Microsoft to be significant, I don't think it's a matter of time, but rather a matter of units.

PSM: How important to Sony is the idea of a simultaneous worldwide launch of Playstation 3?

Jack Tretton: I don't think a consumer really cares whether or not if [the PS3] is available in another country before or after it's available for them. Everybody wants a new platform as asoon as they can get their hands on it, and I guess selfishly every territory wants to be first, but I think ultimately what the consumers are going to be excited about is going to be the software content that's available for it. The actual machine isn't very exciting unless you have compelling software to put into it. Often times, the first territory the system launches in suffers from the weakest launch lineup because the other territories have that additional time to do development and really get more games available and make each game that much better in time to hit the launch window.

PSM: Are you confident that the final PS3 will deliver the quality of visuals seen in the E3 demos?

Kaz Hirai: Yes, and I think the proof will have to be in the pudding. Because no matter what I say here, people are going to try dispel that and be skeptical until they see what we bring in terms of the final product. I'm going to say it's going to be just as exciting or even better than what people have seen, we will deliver, just as we have on the original Playstation. The Playstation 2, and most recently, the Playstation Portable.

Jack Tretton: We wouldn't be making claims of what our platforms could do if we didn't feel we could deliver on them. We've actually got three internal [PS3] titles that we're working on at Sony Computer Entertainment America. On of them, WarHawk, is playable, and you can compare the graphics and see them live, and also with another one of our launch titles, a game from factor 5 called Lair, again live footage, that footage compares very favorablely to what was shown at E3 press conference. I think that, in the very near future, you'll see some comparable gameplay footage that will really put those rumors[PS3 can't be as powerful as we're claiming it is] to bed.

PSM: There's been a lot of speculation about downscaling the PS3 in order to keep the price of the system down-is this really happening?

Kaz Hirai: The specifications that were distributed at E3 are the only verison of the Playstation 3 that exists. I have not seem any revisions to that, certainly not any offical internal communication. (notes: SCEA has since clarified that it was never officially stated that the PS3 would serve as a full wireless router. The system will simply act as a basic hub for connecting other Ethernet devices via an existing connection to home wireless network.)

PSM: When will we get to play actual PS3 game on real PS3?

Kaz Hirai: It's hard to say when at this point in time, but what I can say is as soon as we feel that the quality of the software is up to where we expect it to be, and that we're confident of us being able to present that to everybody and have everybody go home with the impression that, yes, these guys are really pushing the envelope in terms of what they bring to gameplay, graphic quality, and everything else. If that takes longer, then again, people are going to be skeptical until the day we show that. If it take longer than a lot of people expect, and that cause more speculation, it is what it is. I don't think it's something we can do anything about until we come out with an exact showing of those games, and we'll present those games just as soon as we're good and ready to go.

PSM: How will the Playstation online experience change with the introduction of PS3?

Kaz Hirai: With the Playstation 3, you can expect to see a lot more of the freatures that make it exciting to be part of an online community, beyond just the gameplay. Wether it's matchmaking or other community features, those are a integral part of being an oline community. We're hard at work on integrating those functionalities, as well as other functionalities that people have come to expect, and even some new things that people will find very refreshing.

PSM: What about the talk from others at Sony that PS3 online will be just like PS2 online, more or less?
Kaz Hirai: I think that when people at SCEE or SCEA talk about keeping the oline model pretty much along the lines of what we have now[on PS2] what they're actually saying is that they want to make sure that we maintain all of good business model points that we had in the open model and try to improve upon those with our third-party publishing partners.

PSM: Can you tell us anything about the pricing of the Playstation 3?

Kaz Hirai: pricing [of the system itself] is again something we'll have to take a very close look at as we get closer and closer to launch. So at this point in time, it's really difficult to say what the pricing structure is going to look like.

PSM: There some concern about PS3 being priced out of the reach of everyone but the hardcore early adopters. Is this valid?

Kai Hirai: I woud say that our past performance is the best indication of our future performance, and for at least three platforms, I think we have been bringing an excellent value to consumers, but also providing them with cuttingedge technology. I go back to less than a year ago when people looked at the PSP, and I got questions like "wow, this thing is great, but what do you think? $500?" and I said, "well, the proof is in the pudding: we've done Playstation and Playstation 2 at an affordable price," and people just said "yeah, right!" response. But we went out there with a $249 value pack, and I think people were pleasantly surprised. I not saying, therefore, that the PS3 is going to be $249, $299, whatever, but I think we have pretty good history of providing value for what we bring to the consumers.

This post has been edited by Eugine: 10 December 2005 - 03:25 PM

[Laharl]

Wind Dude, on Dec 9 2005, 11:43 PM, said:

Hmh. Not necessarily, Nintendo's policy has always been to make cheap, quality products. The DS is cheap considering what it does, and so is the GBA Micro. Have you SEEN the Micro? It's tiny!! AND it goes for 90-150 dollars, that's a bargain for how small it is. Talk about nano technology. :P

cheap like the N64 with it's £50 games? Why would you want a Micro Explain!?!? It's smaller, ****ing marvellous, yeah i'll settle for a pre-owned gba for £20 thanks

[Someone Else]

Dude, it has a better backlight than the SP's crappy blue-ish backlight (it wasn't even backlit, more like sidelit). It's also smaller than the DS, where the DS is rather big and can be a pain to carry in your pants pocket.

Plus it looks sexy, and with the Micro I'll have two GBA's with a backlight. This means both my sis and I can play multiplayer without having the hassle of one of us barely being able to see the screen. You savvy? :P

And I got no comment on the N64 bit. MKDS was rather cheap for me to buy however, $35? Man, that was a bargain.

[Sea of Time]

The SP has a backlight now, so that's no longer an excuse. However, if it wasn't more expensive I would get a Micro because it's "sexy".

[Someone Else]

You mean that "improved" SP with a brighter backlight? I'd rather get a Micro with a fully adjustable backlight.

The improved SP has two different options of light: normal-SP brightness, and "super" bright. If I remember correctly... the Micro has a slider that can change the brightness thoroughly to what you want. Not to mention that the Micro has a smaller screen, making the resolution more crisp in games.

Just look at this: http://micro.gameboy.com/ I love the faceplates. :P

EDIT: Okay, look at what this reviewer on Amazon said about the SP vs. the GB Micro.

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I have a SP too - but the micro is much smaller and lighter. They are each different systems, for different reasons. It's like having an electric guitar and an acoustic guitar. Sure, they're both guitars - but there are reasons to use them in different situations. I'd use a SP at home - but I'd carry a micro with me when I travel.

Get the idea now?

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 11 December 2005 - 01:41 PM

[Laharl]

i would get a Micro for being an idiot, that's effectively paying £70 for a backlight on a "sexy" console that's easier to lose/break and it doesn't even fit in my hand properly!

[Sea of Time]

I admit, the faceplates are pretty cool. But once again, I don't think it's worth the extra money. Once the price goes down, I would maybe consider one.

[Blink]

I'd buy it for $60. Maybe $70. Whatever the SP is priced at right now.

Oh, and anyone hear about the Nintendo Patent on Displacement mapping?

Article

[Laharl]

i can't be bothered reading all that, something aboutn better graphics can only be good

[Echo_djinn]

just wondering who here has picked up the Xbox 360? If you have how does it handle/work? What I mean is does it play xbox games without any problems and does it run at a reasonable speed?

[Sea of Time]

I don't own one but I watched a show on tv (reliable source ^_^) that said the backwards compatibility was problematic because of the HD or something. I'll see if I can find an article.

[Laharl]

the problems keep mounting up for 360, somewhere Sony and Nintendo scouts are taking notes

[Sea of Time]

It's too bad really. If the 360 was solid, it would be a good gaming machine.

[TheEnglishman]

Has anyone else heard about this?
It seems pretty bad that people could do that, especially around Christmas. I suppose they should look a bit closer though.

[Someone Else]

Sea_of_Time, on Dec 30 2005, 08:35 AM, said:

It's too bad really. If the 360 was solid, it would be a good gaming machine.

So would have GameCube. If it was solid, it would've been BETTER than the Xbox. :P

As for what you've shown us Me111, people always do things like that... it's a shame really.

[Eugine]

When you say solid what do you mean? I'm assuming no problems, errors etc. from what the topic was before... But the GC was infact solid if I use this definitio I think I'm wrong (from what WD said).

I think the GC would have been a better system if it had better third party support.

This post has been edited by Eugine: 01 January 2006 - 08:29 PM

[Someone Else]

3rd party support isn't necessarily better. You've got your GOOD 3rd party companies, and then you've got your BAD 3rd party companies.

Either way, you're right about that. It would've also been better if it looked a little more... high-tech, like the PS2. It looks like it was made by PlaySkool. :P It just looked weird next to things like a DVD Player or an HDTV.

[Golden Legacy]

I know I'm somewhat intruding, but on the note of GameCube support, what Nintendo has especially done this console generation is to establish joint projects and exclusivity with third party developers, mainly by giving the license to some of its key franchises.

Star Fox Adventures/Assault, Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, the inclusion of Link in Soul Calibur II (Namco), F-Zero GX (Sega/Amusement Park), Metroid: Prime/Prime 2 Echoes (Retro Studios, which is actually a second-party developer), etc.

Edit: Sorry, not Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, I meant the Donkey Konga games... Jungle Beat was created by Nintendo's new Tokyo studio

This post has been edited by Golden Legacy: 01 January 2006 - 10:13 PM

[Blink]

We'll just have to wait and see. I do think they strengthened third party bonds on the GCN though, seeing as how well the DS is doing now.

[Sea of Time]

EA has many titles in work for the Revolution. Apparently they are eager to explore the possibilities presented by the controller. This is good news considering EA owns some of the best selling franchises for any console (Need for Speed, EA Sports, Call of Duty)

[Laharl]

latest error with the 360 is:

The console is too powerful for original X-Box games which leads to some dodgy backwards compatitbility

[Someone Else]

Man, Microsoft sure did screw up. But I guess it's to be expected. After all, the Xbox 360 did just come out recently... it's bound to have problems.


On another note, I hope that the Rev will be good enough to get rid of the "Nintendo-hating" hype. All of the Nintendo-haters out there are starting to get so damn annoying.

[Laharl]

Most of them are Sony fan boys who reckon the PSP launch is better than every GBA game combined, i know people like this, unfortunately

[Sea of Time]

The PSP has got the looks and the screen, but it cannot back it up with battery life. Is it 100% that the Rev will be $100, or is that still rumour.

[Laharl]

I doubt $100 that'll be about £60 which although incredibly attractive is very unlikely

[Someone Else]

Most "Major" Nintendo consoles start out at $150-$200 (US) and, of course, get cheaper eventually. (about a year or half a year later)

$150 = about 120 Euro
$200 = about 165 Euro

I don't think it's going to start out at $100 personally. More like $200. I mean, it's a next generation console!! It would still be cheap in comparison to the other consoles. Then again, this IS Nintendo we're talking about. They make crazy moves all the time. :P

[Laharl]

the euro is beating the dollar aswell? Gamecube went for £130 on launch here altohugh this was probably because they were playing catch up

[Someone Else]

Hey, don't ask me, I was using a "currency converter" site.

[Sea of Time]

I think $100 would be too cheap too, they would probably be losing money on every one they sell. Nintendo's crazy, but not that crazy.

[Laharl]

£150-200 seems reasonable to me don't know what that is in dollars

[Sea of Time]

Just a guesstimate from what WD was saying, I would say about 275 in the States and maybe 300 in Canada.

[Laharl]

the only adavantage of living in britiain-superior currency, reports claim PS3 will be out in spring over here, i highly doubt that what about rev?

[Sea of Time]

They'll be coming out at the same time most likely but not in the spring, probably later this year.

[Someone Else]

Nintendo Rev is coming out in November so far (I don't know if that's for US or Japan), and I think that the PS3 actually was coming out in spring. I dunno.

[Sea of Time]

It would be smarter for them to release at the same time, wouldn't it?

[Someone Else]

Why would Sony wait? If the PS3 was finished and ready to ship out to the stores, then by all means, they should ship them out.

Nintendo wants to touch up on the Rev to make sure it's good. Plus, they don't want the Rev to actually compete with Microsoft and Sony. Which makes sense, because the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 are more like entertainment consoles, rather than a video game console like the Rev.

[Eugine]

A company wouldn't wait a whole year to launch a product if they was infact finished and satisfied with it especially when their competitor launched theirs already.

Sony isn't waiting on anyone but themselves and their software company to launch their product. Giving Microsoft a year long lead isn't something Sony is willing to do. The PS3 is currently debugging and the software is currently being improved to make excellent launch games.
Same goes for Nintendo.

[Laharl]

sony monopolizes the market only the DS is holding ground to psp, rev and 360 don't really have a chance imo

[Sea of Time]

Why didn't Microsoft wait? They've obviously paid the price, what is it 1 out of the 3 machines they sold are dysfunctional?

[TheEnglishman]

Sea_of_Time, on Jan 26 2006, 02:18 PM, said:

Why didn't Microsoft wait? They've obviously paid the price, what is it 1 out of the 3 machines they sold are dysfunctional?

I guess they just weren't patient enough. They just wanted the machine out before christmas so they rushed it.
I doubt it would be 1 in 3 machines is dysfunctional though.

This post has been edited by Me111: 26 January 2006 - 08:58 AM

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, that's probably just a rumour. And I think the word is malfunctioned not dysfunctional. <_< Stupid me.

[TheEnglishman]

I think we meant disfunctional. <_< Stupid us.

[pHantOm]

I think the ammount that were dysfunctional was 7% or something like that, which is like 100,000 of them or something. I never heard of any problems from any of my friends that have one. I personally wasnt willing to spend 400 dollars on a system, regardless of how good it is, afterall, its just a game...

[Sea of Time]

I think $400 is reasonable, considering that the XBox and PS2 started at just under that price point. But, from a personal standpoint, I'm not willing to pay that much either.

[Toasty64]

Wind Dude, on Aug 5 2004, 12:47 PM, said:

There is news speading around of a new console to be developed by Nintendo, yet there is no news about this on Nintendos Official Site. Unfortunately, Nintendo does not want to release much information for fear of Sony stealing there idea. What are your thoughts on this?

Find out more here: Nintendo Revolution

What are you talking about!?!?!?!? I know a heck of alot of stuff about it!! Like what it looks like, what the controllers look like,and how they work, AND that it will play old gamecube games and new revelution games, and not to mention be able to download old NES games off the internet, for a price of course. And I think it's going for around $300, give or take $50. And there is a section on nintendos official site that has tons of info on it, just look ALOT harder.

Andross, on Aug 5 2004, 01:03 PM, said:

Old news. IGN already reported on this. ATI and IBM are involved (from what it looks like); IBM will possibly be putting dual G5s in there, or a single 2.7GHz G5. It will be implicating a new way to play games (like the DS will do), but nothing has been said otherwise.

http://cube.ign.com/....html?fromint=1

YES THERE HAS! Go to IGN.com

This post has been edited by Toasty64: 27 January 2006 - 06:49 PM

[Eugine]

WTF? WD posted that when there was hardly any information on the Revo... That was quite in 2004, we're in 2006. SEESH

[Toasty64]

Golden Legacy, on Aug 10 2004, 05:08 PM, said:

Well, you're right- Revolution for me (but afterwards, I do plan on eventually getting PS3...)...

As of now, it's difficult to conclude anything about the actual technology involved- Sony has a new Cell Processor, and the Xenon's chips, I think, are being made by IBM... and one other that I forgot... And seeing the Nintendo's daring plans for the DS, you can't help but wonder what's in store for us <_<

I already know whats in stor for us!!!

[Golden Legacy]

You must remember that Nintendo needs to make a profit (and it usually always does). Satoru Iwata stated that Revolution would launch Stateside by Thanksgiving, and for a price of less than 300 US dollars. My guess would be roughly the same as the GameCube's launch, which was $250 if I recall correctly.

[Toasty64]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 27 2006, 05:09 PM, said:

You must remember that Nintendo needs to make a profit (and it usually always does). Satoru Iwata stated that Revolution would launch Stateside by Thanksgiving, and for a price of less than 300 US dollars. My guess would be roughly the same as the GameCube's launch, which was $250 if I recall correctly.

No, it was $150($149.99)

[Someone Else]

Toasty64, on Jan 27 2006, 04:51 PM, said:

What are you talking about!?!?!?!? I know a heck of alot of stuff about it!! Like what it looks like, what the controllers look like,and how they work, AND that it will play old gamecube games and new revelution games, and not to mention be able to download old NES games off the internet, for a price of course. And I think it's going for around $300, give or take $50. And there is a section on nintendos official site that has tons of info on it, just look ALOT harder.



YES THERE HAS! Go to IGN.com

ROFLMAO

Anyways, care to state your sources Toasty?

[Blink]

Yer all wrong. Nintendo has always launched consoles at $200, NES through GCN. Handhelds on the other hand...*shot*

[Toasty64]

Wind Dude, on Jan 27 2006, 05:58 PM, said:

ROFLMAO

Anyways, care to state your sources Toasty?

Go to www.ign.com and type in nintendo revolution in the search box at the top left hand corner. It's been a while so you might not get everything

This post has been edited by Toasty64: 27 January 2006 - 08:56 PM

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, Nintendo could make a profit off of a $200 console, but definitely not a $100-$150.

[Zxor]

Nintendo will get more money and not get broke if they realease good games when the revolution come out, because with the gamecube...well, it didn't go well. BUt they will get a lot of money with Zelda. People are going to buy the gamecube just so they can play Zelda.

[Sea of Time]

I think the Gamecube went really well with the almost immediate release of Super Smash Bros. Melee. Wind Waker sold well too.

[TheEnglishman]

I think that Gamcube went well, but not as well as the other consoles on the market.
I think the shops that stopped selling gamecube games are gonna regret it when Zelda (eventually) comes out!

[Sea of Time]

We can only hope that it will be as good as it should be. They've had plenty of time to work on it and I don't think many people will be happy unless it is up to par with OoT.

[TheEnglishman]

I certainly think it will be good but I know I'd like it more if Ganonndorf was in it. Does anyone know if he is or not?

[Sea of Time]

I'm thinking that will be the case. I heard somewhere that he is the villain, I'm sure someone can find some good evidence on that.

[Golden Legacy]

It was recently confirmed that Ganondorf will make an appearance in Twilight Princess. On that note, remember that Twilight Princess, as with all other GameCube titles, may be played on the Revolution, because it is backward compatible.

While it MAY utilize the innovative new Revolution controller, Twilight Princess should definitely help spur sales for the new console, especially for people who did not own a GameCube.

[TheEnglishman]

Yes but he will he be the main villain or will he make an apperance in the same way that Zelda does in Majora's Mask? I assume it's the first one.

[Sea of Time]

How would they make TP compatible with the GC and the Revolution? I can't see them doing that without a re-release.

[Laharl]

i thought they where putting TP on Rev, stupid internet rumours!

[Sea of Time]

No, but it is going to be one of the last Nintendo games on the GC, along with Odama.

[Golden Legacy]

However, it has been recently confirmed by Nintendo that when Twilight Princess is played on the Revolution (which is backward compatible), players will have the option of playing it with the Revolution controller.

[TheEnglishman]

I guess it's like Oracle of Ages/Seasons where you get a different shop if you play it on GBA. I think it's a cool idea.

[Sea of Time]

Maybe you can use the Rev controller for Odama. That would also be pretty sweet.

[Blink]

I uh...think I'm getting a 360. Really, really soon. Yeah. How did that happen?

Anyways, I'll let you guys know what I think of it( if anyone still cares for such opinions) but, I won't garuntee that I'll get any 360 games for it at first >_>

[Sea of Time]

When is the GEC Convention? Rumour has it that Nintendo will be giving a name to the Revolution and perhaps a release date there.

[Laharl]

WHAT THE HELL IS ODAMA!!???

[TheEnglishman]

This maybe?
So basically it is just your ordinary military game... with pinball.

[Toasty64]

Looks interesting. But usually pinball games don't have alot of things to do besides playing pinball 0.o;....... And after a while, that gets boring.

And as for the TW, it will be a GC game, but like the LoZ oracle games for the GB color (or pocket, can't remember), it will have added features when played on the rev. On the GC for instance, you might shoot arrows with the joystick, while when played on the rev, you might shoot arrows with a point and click motion.

[Aquamarine]

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And as for the TW, it will be a GC game, but like the LoZ oracle games for the GB color (or pocket, can't remember), it will have added features when played on the rev. On the GC for instance, you might shoot arrows with the joystick, while when played on the rev, you might shoot arrows with a point and click motion.

It's not TW it's TP. And this REALLY should be spoken about in the TP topic.

I certianly won't be getting Odama. I hate pinball games...

I have no idea when the GEC Conference is.

Blink, why are you getting a 360? It really interests me to know...

[Sea of Time]

Odama looks original though! I think even the most skeptical people should be trying this game. There were a lot of people who said no to rolling around huge balls picking up everything in their paths, but Katamari Damacy did great! I say, give it a try people.

[TheEnglishman]

Basically, try it before you say it's a bad idea. I thought pokemon pinball was odd, but it turned out to be fun when I got it.

[Sea of Time]

Whenever they take a traditional series and turn it into a pinball game, there is reason for skepticism. But it's always worth a try if Nintendo makes it.

[TheEnglishman]

I suppose when Mario Kart was suggested, people thought it was a wacky idea...

[Sea of Time]

But if Mario Kart were to come out today, after all the Mario sports games and the numerous Kart racing games on other consoles, it wouldn't be that weird to see this sort of series starting up.

[Toasty64]

Sea_of_Time, on Feb 10 2006, 08:07 AM, said:

How would they make TP compatible with the GC and the Revolution? I can't see them doing that without a re-release.

Well. It's kinda like the PS games. But even if the rev game discs are larger they just have to put a recess in the CD tray like in a computer. Just look in your computers CD tray, there's a recess (or should be) in the CD tray. All they have to do is use the same software for the CD's.

[Sea of Time]

I know that it's backwards compatible but I mean how can the game be played with both the Revolution and the GCN controller. However, I after my own research, I know the answer, so nevermind I guess.

[Toasty]

Well seeing as nobody's posted anything for a while....

When do you think that the Rev will be released? I'd say June or November. June because it would be such a shock to Sony so they MIGHT slip up and leave a few bugs in their sytems, OR they would be forced to release a smaller amount of sytems, keeping people from getting a PS3. November because that's when alot of people buy Christmas presents.

[Someone Else]

Sony's such a giant company as compared to Nintendo that I doubt they'd let it bother them. That, and there's NO WAY the Rev would be released in June anyway, we would be hearing much more screens for games, videos, speculations, and the like.

Even if it was ready for June, it would be a bad move because there are no games ready for such an early launch. Nintendo's set for November.


I hate Sony as much as you do; they're too big for their own good. I really hate companies that get too big and cover more than one product because the name gets too well known and it stops smaller companies from profiting. I'm a little less hateful of Microsoft because they've still stayed within selling computer crap, but they're still too big for their own good, and they've pretty much conquered the world. Sony should've just stayed with selling TVs...

[Blink]

September or November. Nobody likes October, too close to November( prime shopping season) and Summer is not a good selling month.

[Toasty]

Now that I think about it, it would be pretty unlikely for it to be in stores in June. Probably November (thanksgiving break) to December (christmas shopping...duh). Those are the best selling months of the year, besides after christmas specials in January. This time period is when most stores sell more stuff then any other month in the year.

[Sea of Time]

I've heard rumours about Thanksgiving and that sounds like a good plan. The holiday shopping season starts on that weekend, and it's the ideal time to release a console.

[Aquamarine]

Yep, November would be good. I'm just afraid Nintendo will push the Rev for a few months. They do that with every of their products if you haven't noticed.

Anyway, I dislike Microsoft more than Sony, because Sony at least made a cotribution to the world of console gaming. It was on their console that Mature games started and they got the older crowd into gaming, whilst Microsoft just jumped in and didn't contribute a thing, they just started using other peoples ideas from the very start.

[Sea of Time]

I don't think that games necessarily have to be rated Mature to appeal to an older audience. Miyamoto's whole plan with Nintendo was to make games that appeal to people of all ages, appeal to the 'kid in all of us'. So Sony didn't really introduce gaming to an older audience.

Also, remember, if arcade games would have had ratings, Mortal Kombat probably would have been rated Mature.

[Blink]

Actually, Nintendo has confirmed that the Revolution will ship "in time for" Thanksgiving. That means any point before Thanksgiving. So, no December.

[Sea of Time]

December is too late anyway, if they want to maximize sales, (like the 360 did this past year), Thanksgiving is the best time.

[Aquamarine]

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Actually, Nintendo has confirmed that the Revolution will ship "in time for" Thanksgiving. That means any point before Thanksgiving. So, no December.

Yeah, but Nintendo has a tendency to sort of forget about what they said earlier. I mean come on! Twilight Princess anyone?

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I don't think that games necessarily have to be rated Mature to appeal to an older audience. Miyamoto's whole plan with Nintendo was to make games that appeal to people of all ages, appeal to the 'kid in all of us'. So Sony didn't really introduce gaming to an older audience.

I totaly agree with both you and Miyamoto-san, but older gamers don't think like that(usually). They think that if a game isn't realistic and often violent, than it's a cr!ppy game. Though that is very wrong.

[Toasty]

What I meant was that Nintendo would sell their consol THE MOST in that period of time. Meaning, they should start in november. Maximum sales.

And I agree with aqua. But if that was ENTIRELY true, then that would mean that my friend's 17 year old brother wouldn't like the GS games, yet he does. And no, he is not a nerd, and that's not only my opinion. But the thing is, is that MOST, not ALL, older gamers think that. Though they usually tend to look at mature games more often then others.

[Aquamarine]

Quote

And I agree with aqua. But if that was ENTIRELY true, then that would mean that my friend's 17 year old brother wouldn't like the GS games, yet he does. And no, he is not a nerd, and that's not only my opinion. But the thing is, is that MOST, not ALL, older gamers think that. Though they usually tend to look at mature games more often then others.

Yeah, I know it's not always true. GS isn't what you would call exactly "kiddy", though it's not even close to mature either. Mario is "kiddy". My brother is twenty years old and he plays Mario, Pokemon, Pikmin... While his friends say those games are crap because they're not mature.

[Gardna]

The mature-ness of a game isn't everything, it's about playability and fun. That's what is making us addicted, not the Mature rating...

[Sea of Time]

I think Mario reached his peak with the original Super Mario Bros. on the NES. It revived gaming and appealed to all people of all ages. However, after Sonic and Sega offered a faster game engine with the Saturn, Mario was old news.

[Aquamarine]

If you ask me Mario reached his peak with Super Mario 64. It revolutionized the whole industry and took gaming to a new level. It was also a big and very fun game. But Mario still has some great games and I'm talking about other Mario games such as Mario Kart and Mario & Luigi, not only the main platform games.

[Sea of Time]

Crash Bandicoot revolutionized the industry before Mario did, Mario 64 just made 3D games great.

[Blink]

Official Nintendo Magazine( Europe) has stated that their next issue, released October 27th, will have reviews on all the Revolution launch titles. Then again, they also said in a previous issue that the Revo base would double as a power station...and quickly took that back, claiming it was a "small typo" :\

[TheEnglishman]

Yes I remember reading about that. I reckon an October/November release date might be right.

[Sea of Time]

My subscription to NP has been cancelled so I didn't hear about this. That'll be interesting to read some reviews on the new games and get a good idea of what to buy!

[Aquamarine]

You can't trust Nintendo Official Magazine. Actually, you can't trust ANY official magazine or website if you ask me. They are going to say Smash Bros. is the best game, even if it's not. But it'll still be worth reading...

[TheEnglishman]

Well you do expect the reviews to be slightly one sided in a magazine like that.

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, but they usually give the other games a fair look. I would like to read reviews on third-party games because I can pretty much already trust Nintendo to make great games.

[Nemphtis]

Erm, duh. Which moron actually goes out and buys 'official' console magazines? Oh, except fanboys of course. The only time anyone I know buys an official magazine is for playable Demo's. For example the Official Xbox Magazine was the only one which had playable demo's each issue.

You want to read a magazine for real gamers who know what the hell they're talking about and never overate games, if anything they will underate them at worst. Go read Edge.

[Sea of Time]

My subscription is over now. I just go to Metacritic to get the reviews for games. It's definitely a much fairer source.

[Blink]

I don't read those magazines for reviews. I use the web for that. I get specialized magazines for specific consoles to get special content. I get Nintendo Power for stuff like the Zelda team interviews, and I get OXM because I want to know what madness composes Bungie.

[Golden Legacy]

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