[Enoch]

When I beat both games, I found that back in the lost ages of times, there were two suppreme civilizations that were the strongest and most advanced when it came to technology and psynergy. I think that Prox and Lemuria would be the two supreme examples of power. Some may disagree with me.

Wich civilization would you say is/was more advanced?

Or were their stronger civilizations?

[Enoch]

I see.
I agree that those were all strong, But Lemuria was able to preserve age, and they also have those boats. Though I beleive that at one time all the civilizations had those. Or else how would Saturous and Menardi have gotten posession of one. So mabey not prox, but deffinitaly Lemuria. I feel that Lemuria was stronger then any of the others. As for Anemos, I think that would make sense to.

Glad to see that some have a educated opinion!

[Nino]

If Anemos is Wind, Lemuria is Water and Prox is Fire then what is Earth.

I would say that whole Weyard represents Earth, since it is the Earth.

[Enoch]

.....I guess so, but then that would imply that the sky is the sky and the water is the water and the fire is the lava. I don't think that'l work.

[Tachyon360]

Erceon, I'd just like to point out one small flaw with your conclusions.

The Golden Sun is the light that's emitted just as the Stone of Sages forms. Since the Golden Sun formed when Alchemy was unleashed, we can reasonably assume that the Stone of Sages wasn't around prior to that point in time. So how could the Wise One be the Stone of Sages if it doesn't exist during the time Alchemy was sealed away?


Now, onto the civilizations thing, Prox never was a grand city-state like Lemuria or Anemos. It was always a village. The only thing worth noting about it was that Psynergy was the one thing that kept it from dying out, by keeping Weyard in one piece and keeping ice floes from getting too big to travel there. The only two great civilization we know of that ever existed were Anemos and Lemuria. The rest just seem to have been forgotten in history.

Lastly, you can't compare what civilization was stronger prior Alchemy being sealed away. When Psynergy flows freely, anyone can tap into it, even an old fart like Babi. Because Psynergy could flow freely everywhere in Weyard, they all had the full power of Psynergy at their disposal.

[Lightning Star]

also to point out, Mia came from a mercury clan. so you would assume that would be from lemuria, right? but then how could it be that she was the last of the clan that died out...in Imil?

[Linear]

Come to think of it, that is a bit confusing.

[Kikuichimonji]

It is possible that lemuria was connected to that part of the world, because of the lighthouses power, but the mercury clan (lemurians) decided to flee the sealment of alchemy...mia's family could have simply been left behind...I dunno

[Linear]

=\ I'm not really sure either Kiku. But still it can be quite confusing.

[gsninja]

I mostly think that Lemuria was the most powerful civilization.

[Linear]

=X If you're just saying that because they lived for a very long time, then I dont agree. >.<

[gsninja]

It's not that. King Hydros said that Lemuria was an extremely advanced civilization many years ago.

[Kikuichimonji]

But of coarse he's going to say that, it's his continent...anyway, I meant that the land of lemuria broke off angara where Imil was dto evade the sealment of alchemy...

[el_Sethro]

Anemos and Lemuria, in that order seemed to me to be the most advanced.

also, I agree with Enoch, as they say in Lemuria that there where many advanced civilisations, and that only Lemuria remained, because the others crumbled when alchamy was sealed away.

[Tachyon360]

I personally think those volcanoes around Lemuria have something to do with their Psynergy. Specifically what it is, I have no clue. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with its strength as a nation or physical strength of its individuals.

As for Anemos, we don't know much about it, so there's nothing to say about it.

[Enoch]

If prox isn't a great power, then how did Saturous and Menardi get a hold of one of those psynergy powered ships? I think that prox was rather powerful as well.

[Kikuichimonji]

oh yeah, but I thought that ship was....I'm confused now, hang on...

[Nino]

To the Mercury Clan thing..


Does Piers mention that hes in the Mercury clan?
Atleast he didnt for me.

All water adepts dont hail from Lemuria.

Which comes to my theory:

Mercury Clan is not of Lemuria, its from Imil and it exists to Protect the Mercury lighthouse.

I even think Mia Mentions this in the game.

[Enoch]

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Does Piers mention that hes in the Mercury clan?
Atleast he didnt for me.

All water adepts dont hail from Lemuria.

Which comes to my theory:

Mercury Clan is not of Lemuria, its from Imil and it exists to Protect the Mercury lighthouse.

I even think Mia Mentions this in the game.

Piers never said he was in the mercury clan. Just because he has Mercury psynergy, that only means that he descended from the mercury clan. Or mabey Lemurians suddenly became psynergetic by vast amount of psynergy being exposed to them in some way.

[Enoch]

oops!

[Kikuichimonji]

okay, dude it's just a theory, and who knows, this could have happened many centuries ago...

[Enoch]

What could have happened many centuries ago?

[Kikuichimonji]

Meh my mistake, I thought he was making a fuss about one of my theories...

[Enoch]

Did I miss something? :joy:

[Kikuichimonji]

Like I said, ignore what I wrote before hand...nya nya

[Enoch]

Okay so back on topic.

How did S&M get their hands on a psynergy powered ship, if they weren't an advanced civilization at one point? Even Agatio himself said that Prox was once great in power.

[Tachyon360]

Enoch, on Sep 28 2004, 07:32 AM, said:

If prox isn't a great power, then how did Saturous and Menardi get a hold of one of those psynergy powered ships? I think that prox was rather powerful as well.

By that logic, Loho would have been a superpower as well, becuase of their cannon. By that same logic, Imil would have also been a great power, because of its location near the Mercury lighthouse.

Please tell me, if Prox was once so great and powerful, what the hell happened to their buildings? Lemuria still has 'em. Contigo has the remnants of Anemos intact. Same with whatever civilization inhabited the area around Laviero. How come Prox is only a bunch of log cabins? That's because it was established only to protect the Mars Lighthouse and little more, much like Vale and Imil.

Now, how would they get a Lemurian ship? Just think about that for a second. Lemurian, as in not from Prox. They said themselves trade stopped once Alchemy was sealed and the ice floes got too big. So how would they get ahold of it? If Saturos and Menardi didn't steal it from someplace else, it could have very well been left there by some Lemurian.

Onto my next point, all Lemurians are Mercury Adepts. Same with every member of the Mercury Clan. Are they the same people? No way! They have different customs and live in a totally different environment. That's not to say that they might not have branched off at some point, but it couldn't have been anything recent (even to the point that Alchemy was sealed away).

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How did S&M get their hands on a psynergy powered ship, if they weren't an advanced civilization at one point? Even Agatio himself said that Prox was once great in power.

"Great in power," not "a great power." He was reffering to Psynergy flowing freely, not to Prox's political/military/industrial strength.

[Enoch]

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By that logic, Loho would have been a superpower as well, becuase of their cannon. By that same logic, Imil would have also been a great power, because of its location near the Mercury lighthouse.

Please tell me, if Prox was once so great and powerful, what the hell happened to their buildings? Lemuria still has 'em. Contigo has the remnants of Anemos intact. Same with whatever civilization inhabited the area around Laviero. How come Prox is only a bunch of log cabins? That's because it was established only to protect the Mars Lighthouse and little more, much like Vale and Imil.

Now, how would they get a Lemurian ship? Just think about that for a second. Lemurian, as in not from Prox. They said themselves trade stopped once Alchemy was sealed and the ice floes got too big. So how would they get ahold of it? If Saturos and Menardi didn't steal it from someplace else, it could have very well been left there by some Lemurian.

Onto my next point, all Lemurians are Mercury Adepts. Same with every member of the Mercury Clan. Are they the same people? No way! They have different customs and live in a totally different environment. That's not to say that they might not have branched off at some point, but it couldn't have been anything recent (even to the point that Alchemy was sealed away).

First of all, The cannon wasn't powered by psynergy, it just shot a magma ball, but the ship was. And Imil was a superpower when the Mercury clan was around. And how could S&M get that boat without traveling the sea of time. And what would be the point of traveling their just to get a psynergy powered boat. That, and normal boats can't travel the sea of time.

[Iplay2win]

The only reason lemeria lasted is because they had their drought and rarely allowed visitors...

[Enoch]

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The only reason lemeria lasted is because they had their drought and rarely allowed visitors...

And that, in and of itself, is a good reason for them to be a psynergetic superpower. Not to mention the psynergy powered boats.

[Tachyon360]

Geeze, did you even read what I wrote? They wouldn't have even had to go through the Sea of Time to get their ship. It could've been left there by a Lemurian a long time ago.

However, for the sake of argument, let's suppose they did indeed build that ship themselves. That wouldn't mean they'd be a political superpower or even a recognized world power for that matter. That would be like saying some measly, little third-world country would be a superpower jut because they managed to build a decent battleship.

BTW, on a side note, Yepp was able to sail the Sea of Time without Psynergy. At least none that we know of. Nobody ever made mention of "strange powers" when talking about Yepp.

Next, the Lemurian drought does not supply Psynergy. It merely delays aging. Furthermore, Babi stole the rest of the Lemurians' drought, leaving them with nothing but their revitalizing spring water and some ships they're afraid to use because they ran out of drought.

Finally, Imil never was a political superpower. You just pulled that "fact" out of your ass. The Mercury Clan was established to watch over the Mercury Lighthouse after Alchemy was sealed away. All those great civilizations came about before the seal was established. Whether or not Imil was built by the Mercury Clan is a moot point. There's simply no way it could have ever been a world power of any sort.

[eternaldeath09]

umm.....couldn't they just make more drought? I think that the Lemurians never sailed out of Lemuria cause they had no reason to. That is until Hydros told Piers to go explore to see if the world was indeed witherin away or not.

About Prox being an ancient superpower....I think no and some Lemurian trade(s) left it there or something. Or maybe, and I know this is WAY out there, but maybe Proxians are Lemurians that have settled and adapted there long ago, thus they'd have the ships. And since there near Mars lighthouse there started practicing Mars psynergy for various reasons, one of them being so they won't freeze their asses off. That would explain why they'd have Lemurain type ships but use Mars psynergy instead of Mercury. But it's just a theory, doesn't mean its right or anything.

[Dullahan]

Lemuria is made out to be a grand civilisation so it should have better psyenergy

[Enoch]

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Finally, Imil never was a political superpower. You just pulled that "fact" out of your ass. The Mercury Clan was established to watch over the Mercury Lighthouse after Alchemy was sealed away. All those great civilizations came about before the seal wash established. Whether or not Imil was built by the Mercury Clan is a moot point. There's simply no way it could have ever been a world power of any sort.

First of all, I never once said that Imil was a political superpower.. I called it a psynergetic superpower, and the mercury clan was. And secondly, This whole subject is about the civilizations before the seal was established. I hope you read some of the prior posts first before talking. And it's not like I'm saying that this is deffinitly true, they are only theorys that I'm presenting.

That, and I forgot about Yepp. Good point on his case! ^_^

And please try and not curse around me. I'm not a big fan of swearing, first off because it's not the most intelegent way of speach, it's not nessesary, and it's not allowed on this forum. No need for hostilities.

[Tachyon360]

eternaldeath09, on Sep 29 2004, 08:19 PM, said:

umm.....couldn't they just make more drought? I think that the Lemurians never sailed out of Lemuria cause they had no reason to. That is until Hydros told Piers to go explore to see if the world was indeed witherin away or not.

The Lemurians flat-out said they couldn't make any more and that Babi took the last bit of their draught, which leads me to believe some other civilization concocted it. When they ran out of draught, they became afraid to set out for extended periods of time. Evidence? Just talk to the unimportant Lemurians standing around in the game.

Moving on, if you call Imil a psynergetic superpower, you're using the word, "superpower," out of context. After Alchemy was sealed, Psynergy was either extinguished or considerably weakened. Imil could not have been a superpower in that sense, at least not compared to the grand civilizations of the Golden Age.

Back to the original point, Prox was never a superpower. Sure, it was around during the Golden Age, but it was always a village. Saying it had to be a great civilization is like saying every country today must be like the US, European Union, and Japan because there's the technology and resources available.

On a side note, I live in a hill billy town. All the rednecks around here use "pulling ____ out of yer ass" quite commonly. I just got a bit too used to it. Don't take any offense to it.

[eternaldeath09]

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The Lemurians flat-out said they couldn't make any more and that Babi took the last bit of their draught, which leads me to believe some other civilization concocted it. When they ran out of draught, they became afraid to set out for extended periods of time. Evidence? Just talk to the unimportant Lemurians standing around in the game.

err....yes well i seemed to have missed or overlooked that
but the lemurians didnt have lots reason of travel out of lemuria anyway
perhaps they could only make drought with alchemy unsealed
but what im wondering is that why piers isnt weakening
even though he didnt say on the game but i say hes pretty young possibly 30-40

prox had probably been a village maybe average sized city in the golden age
but they mustve did something rite if theyre IMMUNE to the cold
im stickin with my theory that they branched off from the lemurians

also we talkin about CITIES being grand civilizations
i say look at the bigger picture (kinda literally and theorecticly)
since there were no offical countries perhaps the CONTINENTS were superpowers
again just theory

[gsninja]

Hmm, not a bad theory. You're probably right about the Proxians doing something to become immune to cold. Ah, by the way, Tachyon, if the Lemurians didn't make the drought, then why is there a spring flowing with drought?

[Linear]

Putting it that way, I would have to agree I suppose. Anemos and Lemuria seem to be it. Which...they are...

[Enoch]

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Hmm, not a bad theory. You're probably right about the Proxians doing something to become immune to cold. Ah, by the way, Tachyon, if the Lemurians didn't make the drought, then why is there a spring flowing with drought?

The Lemurians do make the drought. The spring has revitalizing waters, not drought.

And for Tachyon360, Generaly when I think superpower, I think military force. And few people could match the strength of Satouros and Menardi/ Karst and Agatio. That's just the way I think of superpower.

Military Superpower.....
Psynergetic Superpower.........

Hmmm! ;)

[Tachyon360]

The Lemurians apparently cannot make the draught. If they could, they likely would've made a lot more after Babi stole it.

As for the cold, the people of Prox are not necessarily immune to it. Most of them were sitting around indoors during the storm and the rest had thick clothing on. Not to mention, one of the little kids in the igloo said something about his mother not normally letting him stay out too long because of his tendency to catch colds. Seems like pretty much anyone else to me.

If anyone would be immune to the cold, it would probably be Mia (perhaps Piers as well, but we don't have that info about him). Her clothing is relatively thin, at least from the climate she comes from. Not to mention, she was one of the few people to not be affected by the epidemic that hit Imil.

Come to think of it, it kinda makes sense. In battle the element that does the weakest damage to any given element is the same one as the element taking the damage. Fire is weakest against fire, water against water, etc. Why not out of battle too? Saturos and Menardi were apparently able to go through the Lamarkan Desert with their Mars Psynergy. Perhaps Mia was able to resist Imil's cold with her Mercury Psynergy.

[Chaos Daemon]

After reading through this topic I have these thoughts:

About the earth civilization: Hasn't anyone here thought about the Ankohl? Ankohl died out so that explains why there not a main part of the story but they seem to be able to finish the four "superpowers"

About Prox: I believe that it is one of the "superpowers" although instead of focusing on building up thier civilization they decided to build up thier strength and psynergy. Also I think it was the weaker of the four

About the strongest civilization: I think the Anemos were the strongest. I mean, they lifted off Weyard and became the moon...Because of that they probably survived the sealing of alchemy because they were isolated.

About Lemuria: They probably made the drought but were unable to after alchemy was sealed.
So that was why they couldn't leave Lemuria any more.

Just my thoughts!

[Tachyon360]

So what you're saying is that Prox was kinda like the Soviet Union? Fair enough, I suppose. Still, wouldn't they have built something grand to show off their power? (I don't think they built the Mars Lighthouse, as that would mean they'd have willingly sealed Alchemy, which they clearly didn't.)

[Enoch]

I thought that the Mars Clan itself built that lighthouse. And the Prox are the closest descendents to the mars clan.

That's just what I thought.

[Teblor Tribe]

I think Imil used to be big after all Mia says she's from a clan. It must have been bigger then it is in the game

[Tachyon360]

If that would be the case, there would be many more buildings - perhaps of stone - in Imil. It's not like the Mercury Clan would go through all the toruble of tearing everything down when they left.

Besides, the simple fact remains that the Mercury Clan was established to guard the lighthouse once Alchemy was sealed away. While Imil could've been bigger at some point, it could have never been a grand establishment.

[Teblor Tribe]

true but mabey all the buildings jsu fell down as the clan got smaller

[Enoch]

I think that the clan itself could have been a secret society that was in imil, and they held alot of political power, kinda like the Davinci Code. But mabey they didn't keep any records of their society.

Just a guess here.

[ForteGX]

This is an interesting discussion, because, when you think about it, in recent years/decades/centuries, both civilizations have been in steady decline. I'd have to say Prox, though, because they're situated right at the base of the Mars Lighthouse; whereas Lemuria is in the middle of nowhere.

[Enoch]

Finnaly, someone that says prox! Your an individual. I think that Prox was rather powerfull, but I'm still sorta torn between the two.

[Neon]

We're forgetting the city that was near Jupiter Lighthouse, the one that floated up into the sky :angry:. Perhaps they were very powerful in there time, I mean, look at the temple that was left behind... Lemuria has nothing as grand as that, or as powerful.

[Tachyon360]

Oh geeze, here we go again. It's like an infinite loop.

Anyway... Neon, most of Lemuria is either submerged or in ruins. Just because the Anemos Sanctum wasn't destroyed or taken with Anemos doesn't mean that Lemuria didn't have anything of the sort.

[Neon]

Pffft, I did think of that, I just fealt it would be best to leave that out so I didn't end up arguing with myself, lol. And for some strange reason I didn't read the entire topic, so I didn't realise that had already been covered extensively. Sorry if I have to frustrate you by driving the topic around in a circle :angry:.

Anyway, just to contradict myself, Lemuria would be the most powerful because of it's power in trade and politics. Only we don't know what the anemos people were like, so it pretty much launches an impossible debate filled with holes and inevitable flaws and contradictions.

Prox, I believe, was a prosperous town, but not a powerful city like Lemuria. It may be that the ruins of their city were buried under snow or consumed by the rift, but i'm sure the history would have been carried down through the town, and somebody would have spoken of it at the end of TLA :angry:.

[Enoch]

Oh yeah, that's right! I completly forgot about the rift. But anyways, If it were posible for me to go back in time, and add all of these other choices that we have come up with, then I would.

hint hint mods.

[TheDogWho]

Remember this...

If you control a great empire and want to go down in history, what do you do?
Write it down.
If you want to seem greater than that empire, which may have died out by your time, what do you do?
Destroy their library.

[Tachyon360]

Neon, on Oct 18 2004, 09:14 AM, said:

Sorry if I have to frustrate you by driving the topic around in a circle.

It's not you. It's just that after all the points I made, the topic went back to where it started. Which is basically the argument that Prox was an important civilization in the Golden Age. Not to come off sounding like a selfish jerk, but that's quite frustrating to see all that arguing fall on deaf ears (or in this case, blind eyes).

[Enoch]

Who sayes that the prox subject was over. I think that plenty more arguement could have been put forth.

Of coarse with some new points, instead of the old repeating ones.

[eternaldeath09]

oy....Tachyeon im with you
prox, lemuria, anemos, imil, watever else
THEYRE JUST SIMPLE CITIES
they mightve been city states like the cities of ancient greece
but still friggin cities

now since there werent offical countries and such
maybe the cities of a continent allied up with each other
of course there would have been alot more cities back before alchemy was sealed
evidence supporting this when gondowan hit indra
some people in madra talked about dangerous tribes of gondowan might attack(correct me if im wrong)
makin them sound like enemies or somethin

also im not sure that if this has any relevance but briggs said that he couldnt bring him self to steal from cities neighboring champa (implying that they might have been allies with champa or was at peace with champa and whatnot)

again these are just theories ive thought of in algebra (hey who could blame me?)

[DarkSquall]

i think lemuria, because anywhere you get a great character like piers from has to be a good place to be! :P

[Enoch]

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oy....Tachyeon im with you
prox, lemuria, anemos, imil, watever else
THEYRE JUST SIMPLE CITIES
they mightve been city states like the cities of ancient greece
but still friggin cities

Well, it just so happens, that is exactly what we are talking about. So either comment or stop complaining. We are talking about wich ones were more powerful in the golden age.

[Mysterious Adept]

well ya got an iteresting point, Prox does seem what i'm leaning to only because Karst ,Agatio,Saturous, Merandi(Spelled something like that) Came from Prox So they would be pretty strong, as for Lemuria i always thought that the city was somehow linked to the Mercury Lighthouse, that would explain why all the people's Hair color are Blue,And when the Mercury Lighthouse lost the Water of Hermes, Lemuria started to decline

[eternaldeath09]

:P
alrite whatever
and thats a good point, myterious
i think that the mercury clan mighta broke off from lemuria
but the hermes water would be like the spring not the drought
ive no clue but they probably used alchemy to make it

im torn between the two.....prox and lemuria

[Linear]

And that's why were discussing about it! *points to the title*

[ForteGX]

Could the Valeans be considered an ancient psynergetic civilization? I mean, they have Sol Sanctum.

(Although this contradicts my point; since they're so far from the Venus Lighthouse.)

[Linear]

I think Vale could. =P considering Sol Sanctum is there with the Elemental Stars.

[ForteGX]

But then again, Vale is very far away from the Venus Lighthouse. Perhaps Lalivero was the original home to the Venus adepts? :blink:

[Linear]

But no one in Lalivero even knows what adepts are. *points to Sheba from GS*

[ForteGX]

Like I said, "original."

The adepts could have migrated to Sol Sanctum, and left not a single trace.

[Linear]

But instead they remained...seperated, and some dont even know they are adepts! *points to Mia, Ivan, and Sheba*

[ForteGX]

That's because they were raised as normal people. This is...centuries after what I'm talking about. I mean ancestors, all migrating to seperate parts of the planet.

And the VENUS adepts went to Sol Sanctum...

I guess I wasn't specific enough.

[Linear]

No, that's simple enough to understand.
Something that doesnt know a blue about it, might not understand though.

Hmm...but Mia did know her healing...eh...

[Enoch]

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Like I said, "original."

The adepts could have migrated to Sol Sanctum, and left not a single trace

I would think that the lighthouses and clans migrated from sol sanctum/vale. Seeing as thAT's where it all began, and where it all ended. Mabey Vale was(meaning past tense) the strongest of all of them. Mabey/mabey not, who knows :P <_<

[eternaldeath09]

ur contradictin urself.......

but that does raise a good point........
maybe all the clans were created by adepts who wanted to teach people psynergy
or something.......

its weird how we never hear about the venes and jupiter clans in the game.....or so i think......
and of the 2 clans we hear about there both settled near the lighthouse of there element.........
and the clans were est. to protect the lighthouses but mars found out whatll happen if they stay unlit sent out people to light the lighthouses......
just theorys............theorys i thought of when i was bored......in algebra, and language arts.......

[Enoch]

How can I contradict myself when I don't even hold a straight opinion and I'm only giving different theories on the subject? I'm not one way or the other.

[Chaos Daemon]

Chaos Daemon, on Oct 1 2004, 07:31 PM, said:

After reading through this topic I have these thoughts:

About the earth civilization: Hasn't anyone here thought about the Ankohl? Ankohl died out so that explains why there not a main part of the story but they seem to be able to finish the four "superpowers"

Just quoting part of the post I made back awhile that no one seems to have read.

[kandy man]

Lumuria had the technology to make ships that can be powerd by the black orb.
prox didnt.

[Mysterious Adept]

then again maybe BACk Long ago every person was a human and the when the lighthouses were built, Mount Aleph could have Given off Certain Psyenergy Particles to certain areas

My point is maybe they were all equall

[DullahanX7]

what do you mean by all equel

[Zaque]

i'd have to say anemos. why?

1)they had the technology to fly off somewhere (moon)
2)to make an large chunk of land just rise off the ground require's constant psyenergy, meaning that whoever lives there should be at least extremely powerful in the psyenergy perspective
3)they are the only civilization to acctually leave weyard when alchemy was sealed. pretty smart if you ask me. (perhaps they'll come back :wacko: )
4)weren't they the civilization that made the wings for the ships, perhaps even the origional design for the ships.

[Luna's Assasian]

Sorry everybody, but Vale was the most powerful. They built Sol Sanctum, and the generations after the sealing away of alchemy spawned the strongest character in the game. (And he's not a fire adept or 7 feet tall.) :P

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[Zaque]

yeah, they had that giant psyenergy stone in the center. not only that but the base of alchemy was sealed there as well. now look at how far away anemos is, to be so far from the root of the energy and yet still have all that power, i'd say it's impressive.

[Mysterious Adept]

DullahanX7, on Oct 22 2004, 07:07 PM, said:

what do you mean by all equel

I mean that maybe all the civilizations that had adepts in them were equall no one adept was more powerful than the other

[Zaque]

like some balance of nature thing, am i correct?

[Enoch]

Please people, try to look back at some of the prior posts before talking. Almost all of you are re-interating the exact things that were stated earlier.

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I mean that maybe all the civilizations that had adepts in them were equall no one adept was more powerful than the other

Plenty of singular adepts are more powerful then one another. That's practicaly why there is evan a conflict in the first place.

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Lumuria had the technology to make ships that can be powerd by the black orb.
prox didnt.

Where have you been for the last ,who knows how many, posts. That is precisly what this whole topic is about. Did you even read? ^_^

Wether or not prox made the ships, they had them way back when at some point. Just because americans buy and drive japanese automobiles, dousn't make japan any stronger.

[I'm Always BROKE]

I think that the Anemos were the best!!! Have seen the Anemos Ruins or something? Well don't say that some stupid Prox or Lemuria could do that! And the wings of Anemos? A hole ship would fly! Even now in 2004 a flying ship doesn't even exist! Which lett me think off... In which year did GS happend? :huh: :ph34r: :wacko:

[Enoch]

That's true! The anemos were good with structure, I feel. I completely forgot about that. ;) They made wings, while only using the vague design of a floor design.

[DullahanX7]

I agree
they even made their whole city fly. Where is their city though? On the moon? On another planet?

[Zaque]

read post #79, the one i entered.

which brings me to: Yay!!! :lol: people agree!!! :)

[gsninja]

The Anemos IS the moon of Weyard. Then you know the whole story with Ivan, Hamma, Sheba, and the rest of the Contigo descending from the Anemos.

I wonder what Lemurian candy tastes like...? (sorry, that was random ^__^;<_<

[Enoch]

I still think that the person that is able to maintain their power, are stronger.

[Zaque]

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I still think that the person that is able to maintain their power, are stronger

well, in that case, it'd be spread throughout weyard. but concentrated in vale due to the immense amount of psyenergy stone.

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I wonder what Lemurian candy tastes like...? (sorry, that was random ^__^;:ph34r:

stale... :lol:

[Enoch]

Well that's not fair, because psynergy kinda derives from vale.

[Tachyon360]

No. The people that sealed Alchemy figured Mt. Aleph would be a good place to seal away the Elemental Stars. Vale only had a load of Psynergy available after Alchemy was sealed.

[Neon]

Just because Mt Aleph has heaps of energy doesn't mean that Vale was the most powerful city. From the primitive state of Vale, i'd say it was erected after Alchemy was sealed.
Seeing as they know almost nothing about the sanctum, Vale was probably made well after the golden age. They probably learnt about the mountains secrets after they started their little town. If it was made soon after the golden age to protect the sanctum, surely they'd at least keep up the warrior tradition through the generations.

[Enoch]

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No. The people that sealed Alchemy figured Mt. Aleph would be a good place to seal away the Elemental Stars. Vale only had a load of Psynergy available after Alchemy was sealed.

I wasn't talking past tense there. Within the timeline of the game, all of the stars powers met at Aleph, in the end.

[Tachyon360]

Oh, I see what you meant. That would make sense, except for the undeniable fact that Mt. Aleph no longer exists.

Anyway, Jaken Veina, Mt. Alpeh isn't the only source of Psynergy stones. All the rocks (Gaia, Magma, Air's, and Aqua) have large deposits of it as well. The thing that's notable about Mt. Aleph, if memory serves, it that it's the highest peak in all of Weyard. It would only make sense for the grandest Psynergy phenomenon to occur on the summit of the grandest mountain. I don't believe, however, that there was anything special about the Psynergy that existed there during the Golden Age, because Psynergy was omnipresent at that time.

[Enoch]

That would make sense. Though I would beleive that only the strongest adepts would seel alchemy and keep it sealed in lighthouses. So mabey vale wasn't the strongest but just a coinsidense.

[My Best Wishes]

Erceon, on Sep 22 2004, 04:32 AM, said:

I voted Lemuria, but I actually think there were 5 major civilizations, one for each element, and one for the heart of Alchemy. This place I would believe to be Vale. However, I don't think that at the time it was called Vale. As for the other civilizations, like everything else in the world of Weyard, each would have a predominant element. Like Lemuria for instance...they would represent the civilization of Water, Prox would be that of Fire, Anemos would be of Wind, and then there's Earth...which really has not been given a place of predominate power other than Gaia Rock and Venus Lighthouse. I suppose you could count Izumo...Then again, perhaps it's possible that the Anemos were spread throughout Weyard when Alchemy was sealed, to prevent its full usage, and a chosen few were left to ensure the security of the seal by releasing Anemos' bond to the world and caused it to float skyward. Before the seal was complete, the Stone of Sages was given animation, and is now what we all know and love or despise as the Wise One. Maybe they could use this for a GS3...making Anemos one of the locations you somehow visit. *coughs* Teleport Pad*coughs*

......you put a lot of thoguht in that.....

i defintaley reckon lemuria cos in prox it just looks like imil snowy and normal, where as lemuria has anicent lemuria as well, and they have a king and live for ages.

[Sea of Time]

Lemuria was much more powerful. I mean, look at what they did with the drought! No one in Prox could do that. Plus, Proxians are mortals, Lemurians are almost...supernatural.

[My Best Wishes]

i thoguht about this today, i think comparing the two civilations is like comparing the aztecs to the egyptians or two other past cities. but lemruia was much more technology advacned. plus vale is better cos they got sol sanctum

[Arkarian]

You've also got to look at the personalities of the seperate clans. The mars clan is predominantly focused on the production and training of warriors which are usually associated with fire in games. Lemuria was more centred upon its development trade etc. This is what water is also associtated with its mellow flow, only infrequently becoming a tempest of rage before dying back to mellow again. It is it can then be assumed that the city would build up due to this trade. Ankohl as afore stated could be the residing place for the lost Earth adepts origins. Plus following a game reference it is the first place where you use the Earth ability Sand, while the water ability drought is used at that ancient tower of Tundaria which could be the origins of the water adepts. Also if I remember rigthly Mia's power comes from Faith does it not, not precisely psyenergy. making it seperate from the lemurians.
From what is stated above prox could not be compared as being the most powerful of the two because it simply has not evvled in the same fashion of the Lemurians. I think it is safe to say that both Lemuria and Prox are best at what they do. I mean you cannot seriously see the Lemurians as fighter even piers tries to find a way around trying to get his black orb off the shaman without resorting to fighting and Alex doesn't fight at any point anywhere he tends to be a behind the scenes manipulator rather than the Mars clans burning desire to see a quest through with force.

An that thing said before about the mars clan not being protected from the cold, if I remember rightly isn't that cold wind due to a combination of the other three lgithouses being lit and not the mars one. If thats the case the Jupiter psyenergy would be near its peek and the protective psyenergy of the Prox people would be at its weakest.
Im sorry the text is a bit disjointed as typed the things as thoughts came into my head. Hope you make head or tail of it.

[Roka_Shotar]

I agree with you, Arkarian, about the three lighthouses overpowering Prox.

I have to say that the seemingly most powerful civilization is the one not mentioned: The builder of the lighthouses. If this civilization could lock away all alchemy, then it could probably be the most powerful of them all. Since the lighthouses are similar in layout, it gives reason to believe that they are made by the same people. These people may have had a mix of all of the elements in their blood, and they may have not been seperated by earth/fire/water/wind, but united as each adept is an earth, fire, water, and wind at the same time!

I am thinking on a new trail of mind, so sorry if it makes no sence. I am also sorry if this idea was repeated.

[Sußie-Sú]

I vote for Lemuria, at now.. don't care if Prox is powerful, being there is sad =x
I'm sure that Jupiter Clan and Mercury Clan existed one time, in the remotest place of Weyard.. but must they have a city to settle down? it's possibly too that Sheba descended of that clan, that's why people in Lalivero called her "child of the gods", and she joined the group because of a self-discovering travelling.. or something like that =P
Her destiny was to search for answers in the Jupiter Lighthouse, because of her roots as a member of the Jupiter Clan.. sounds stupid ·.·
People in Lemuria are more isolated than Contigo, so their politic power has some limits in that way.. not possible to concentrate their development in trades, unless in centuries ago....
But those are just theories, the game is a little ambiguous in that way.. x_D

Clans are useless, long ago they must be very powerful.. but with time.. things changed.

[DullahanX7]

i myself thing the Animos was the best
i know we dont know anything about them except the made their whole city the size of a giant meteor fly away.

prox=fire
Animos=wind
lemura=water
earth?....um......maby vale

[Sea of Time]

Ohhh, so that's what the crater is there for. I never realized that!

[Enoch]

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i myself thing the Animos was the best
i know we dont know anything about them except the made their whole city the size of a giant meteor fly away.

prox=fire
Animos=wind
lemura=water
earth?....um......maby vale

Vale has both fire and ground. That wouldn't be accurate.

[Ryu Zero]

I vote for Lemuria.

[DullahanX7]

I stand by my last um....whatever it was called

Animos

[Ravenblade]

yeah i'll go with anemos too...perhaps Sol Sanctum is the Earth one o.o?

although its probably more likely a combination of all of them

[Ivan is my name]

Anemos was strongest. Did you see thesize of the crater next to contigo? Huge!! Prox isn't that good really. Anemos rules!

[DullahanX7]

Yups... Prox couldn't make their town fly or have some cool syrum that could make them live forever... all they had is a few people who were quight strong and could turned into dragons if given alot of psynergie ( but after they turn into dragons they just die right after that so thats bad) :P :P

[Enoch]

The reason why the crator was huge is because The animos was home to some giants as well as the inhabitants themselves.

Nobody could beat Agatio or Karst/ S and M.

[Isaac702]

id say it would be Lemuria mostly because they have a amazing ancient area

[Warbird]

Lemuria, Anemos, and... what was that tower ruin called by champa? i believe that might be one.

[Enoch]

I think that the most ancient/fascinating one would have to be the Anemos. Lemuria was good to, but Anemos sanctum and sol sanctum near vale were both better.