[Blink]

Well, I'd prefer mine to be a MMO overhead fighter. Picture the madness of large groups of players wacking enemies with staffs and swords from the overhead view, or just a quiet day where someone runs up and bashes someone else on the head with a sword. It would be quite enjoyable, and easier to implement than turn based.

[Elliott]

I very highly doubt Max will ever even consider this, but I'd like real time like Zelda.

[Blink]

I have absolutely no intent of this making any impact on GSW. That's why it's in general talk. It's like saying, "If Link turned into a cow in the next Zelda game, should it be a brown cow, a white cow, or a black cow? Spotted or not spotted?" or something equally pointless. Yes, it could happen, but we really all doubt it in the first place.

So, realtime overworld? That falls into the first option.

[I'm Always BROKE]

A fighting option would be fun. It will atract more people atleast...

[Kewne]

I think text-based would be the most "real" gs fighting. But I don't think it will work on pvp(person versus person). So a real time fighting system will probably be the best(if it will be a fighting system)

[Max]

I like that you guys are suggesting ideas, and keep doing so. Just keep in mind that if we were to implement a battle system, it would most likely be like the real GS battle system, seeing as how we are doing our best to emulate the rest of the Golden Sun game engine anyways.

[Elliott]

That's what I thought you would do also. Seeings as the movement, characters, gameplay, buildings etc. all keeps within the GS style, the battle system, if there ever is one, should prolly stay the same as in GS as well.

[Blink]

Yeah, if we can get the actual coding of the GS battle engine from camelot, that would be awesome. But, in all honesty, I doubt anyone will ever be able to perfectly replicate another company's system, especially the good ones.

Remember Z targeting in Zelda? No one got that right until Rare did it with Starfox Adventures, but that was a whole generation later.

[Max]

Blink, I'm not sure if you have seen it, but on GSS in the Flash section (bottom of the menu) you can see a battle system demo that someone had made a year or two ago. It pretty accurately replicates the 3d rotation mechanism of the battle system, and it would be pretty easy to add different stances and additional characters to that system. Then it would just be a matter of recording all the animations, which is time consuming but not difficult (just like ripping the sprites).

[Blink]

Oooh, wow. Never noticed that before, that's quite nifty. Well, looks like that's one huge hurtle overcome. If you guys ever do make a battle system, I'm still here , ready and open to helping record animations. Always glad to help :)

Anywho, I guess that kind of kills this topic. Mods, feel free to lock this, unless someone has something else to say.

[angelchii]

well i like some real action like war

[Jai]

In my opinion turned based fighting on the computer just won't cut for me alltho the idea of it still kinda sounds complicated because if camelot was willing to lets us use their battle system alterations would have to be made to it. Like the fact that the battle system would have to be altred to only one on one fights insted of four on four, also the use of dinjinn and summons wouldn't be allowed due to the simple fact that dinjinn have to be set in order to use summons and without that option on the normal gsw server it could cause glitches, also everybody would pretty much have the same hp and pp seprate distrubution of certin stats and rules set with the battle system could further set back changes to beta. In other words its either the battle system changes or beta changes either way its way too much to consider an option at this point I think are best chances are to look for a similar battle system that can play into what we all ready have and not to whats needed.

[Blink]

I think if it was done like the versus system, we could have 4vs4. Just every person would have 90 seconds to decide on an attack, and you could talk to your team members when deciding attacks, and talk to everyone when people are attacking eachother.

[Mathak Kraven]

I'd go for the turn based, let's keep Golden Sun, Golden Sun as it is, just needs to be turn based that's all.

[Someone Else]

"MMO overhead fighter(like warhammer?)" would be plain awesome, though. Like Blink said, it'd be hilarious to see little Isaac sprites swing swords and hammers and whatnot all over the place. XD I doubt it'd be much harder than putting in the actual GS battle system in, too.

[Neon]

If ever GSW gets a battle system, it should be like GS. Why would it be any other way? :\

[Max]

Yes, as I've said many times before, if GSW ever gets a battle system it will be as close a duplicate of the real GS battle system as we can make.

[isaac2112]

ya. if it is going to be a gs game then it should be like the fighting style that the gs 1 and 2 have. though i think that should be a time limit to how long you have to decide to attack. kind of the like when you are fightng someone with your gbas'.

[Sea of Time]

Max, on Jul 4 2005, 08:19 PM, said:

Yes, as I've said many times before, if GSW ever gets a battle system it will be as close a duplicate of the real GS battle system as we can make.

I agree with this. We should be loyal to the game if we're basing our chat engine on it, but that's just me.

[GaretFire]

hmmm...an army of every sprite in this whole game whackin everyone with there little staffs and swords and blah blah, but if u were imagining that, add spells to it and it would be mayhem. Freakin Ragnaroks and Heatwaves and Shining Plamas and all those super spells all over the freakin town. It would make the whole game lag like it was runned by a hamster powered modem. To tell u the truth if Max were to do that it would be seriously hilarious cuz i mean like 1 person can be hit by a Ragnarok spell by everyone who was Isaac OR be surrounded and be whacked around like an pinata. Btw i would stick to the turned based idea.

[I'm Always BROKE]

If Max wants to screw up the GSW idea we know where to find you GF... :P

[Sea of Time]

Actually, no we don't. GF, what was the point of that post? To prove that your idea was dumb?

[Someone Else]

It doesn't have to be the WHOLE map. If possible, I think it would be better to allow MMO overhead fighter battles in only very specific places. Like a Collosuem, for example. That way, if someone wants to fight MMO overhead they could simply go to the designated spot. =D

IF AveneR and Max implement MMO overhead fighting battles.

[Max]

Let me just cut this off at the head before people keep going on about it: there will never be overhead battle like that. First off, we aren't even going to have a battle system until later versions. When we finally decide that it is time for a battle system, we are going to do ourselves and Camelot justice and recreate the one from the game. No if's, and's, or but's. It's either the real thing, or nothing at all.

[King]

I'de go with something like the real golden sun battle system which is a four party turn system so yesh that would be sweet, also they could you know add party things that people of certiant levels and such can create a party and have 3 more people in it

[Neon]

Max said:

Let me just cut this off at the head before people keep going on about it: there will never be overhead battle like that. First off, we aren't even going to have a battle system until later versions. When we finally decide that it is time for a battle system, we are going to do ourselves and Camelot justice and recreate the one from the game. No if's, and's, or but's. It's either the real thing, or nothing at all.

Haha! Good man :P
Why anyone would even consider an overhead battle system for GSW is beyond me.

This is somewhat unrelated to this subject, but I thought it would be a good idea. You should implement some commands that allow us to nudge people or douse them. I think that would be pretty amusing :). You basically just have the out of battle psynergy animations. Douse would, of course, be the douse animation. Then you can hit others using force or move or pound, etc.
Basically GSWs version of trout slapping :P

[Sea of Time]

I still think that even that could get out of hand. Don't underestimate the stupidity of some people.

[Eugine]

How will it really? You could do something like "Eugine invites you to a battle" and you accept/decline. Also you can have an option to disable battling OR you could do it like you go into a colloseum.

[Sea of Time]

That would work, we could have a sort of PM system for battling in colosseum rooms or something.

[Someone Else]

Blargh, but that would ruin the chaos of everyone using douse on each other by making it too... organized! D:

[Neon]

that's why you have douse and stuff as actions, and then have proper duals where we can have GS battles. And there could be some whole ranking system or something.

I'm sure every time Max reads these topics he slips one bit closer to a nervous breakdown. What do we do here? Offer moral support and enthusiasm? no, we keep creating more and more outlandish and increasingly complex ideas that he has to implement before we're happy :P.

[Someone Else]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying again. D:

[Neon]

Feel free to explain in more detail then if you think I misunderstood -_-'

[Sea of Time]

Organization is our friend. And we all have to remember, this is a chat engine, not a GS replica.

[Max]

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I'm sure every time Max reads these topics he slips one bit closer to a nervous breakdown.

Haha Neon, that's pretty good. So true, so true. Though at this point I'm mostly just blocking all this out as there really is no room to negotiate on this topic. Either we have a battle, in which case it would be a replica of the real GS battle system, or we don't have one at all. No middle ground. GSW is supposed to be a replication/extension of the GS world into the online environment, and having any other type of battle system would be against GSW's philosophy.

[Sea of Time]

It is true, we should just abandon this forum and focus on reality and not mindless fantasies.

[Zxor]

Max, I think you should focus less on the battles, and more on games and things to buy, and entertainment stuff. But, I think it should be like an over map, and you can just swing a sword around and hit people, and they get knocked back.

[Sea of Time]

That would be kind of like Zelda, Zxor and it would get really annoying if you tried to walk to places and people kept hitting you with their swords, don't you think?

[Zxor]

Ya, that would be like zelda, but I still think the screen should not change, like, it should still be looking down like it always does.

[Sea of Time]

No, I mean like a GBA Zelda. LttP is an overhead game and getting knocked back all the time is annoying, take it from me.

[Someone Else]

Zxor, on Sep 29 2005, 10:41 PM, said:

But, I think it should be like an over map, and you can just swing a sword around and hit people, and they get knocked back.

THAT was just what I was thinking of! Gosh, why couldn't I have worded it that way? XD

What if it was done so that swords could only be used in specific maps, like a Collosuem or something?

Anyway, don't get into the idea too much. Fighting in any form has become sort of overrated if you think about it, and besides, something like this could ruin the "point" of GSW, which is mainly chatting if I've observed correctly. Everyone would want to bash each other with swords. XP

[Aquamarine]

Um... Why are you guys still discussing what kind of different battle systems could be possible when Max clearly stated if battles were ever implemented that they would be the GS turn based battles.

But still... we can dream, right?

[Neon]

I think they're trying to prove to everyone else that their ideas are better ._.

That said, hitting people around like in LoZ would be fun, but like I already said, stuff like that would have to be leaved as actions. What I mean by actions is that we could douse on other users outside of battle or use scoop to search for random items or use force to push other members around.
Any proper battling would have to be like a GS turn based battle. Maybe some system where you challenge another member by clicking on them and selecting 'challenge'. They then have a box pop up that asks them if they want to battle whatever member challenged them, and 30 seconds to accept or they automatically decline. And also an option to automatically decline any challenges so people don't spam you with it :P.

But none of this is happening until the interactive side of GSW is finished. So how about we all get off our fat arses and help max? XP
I would, but I don't know if I can really do the sort of stuff needed for GSW. I can code interative things in Flash, but GSW seems to be a lot more complicated, using xml, servers, and all sorts of things I don't know about >_<.

[isaac2112]

if we are going to make the game like the orginal does that mean you can have teammates. that would be pretty coll to fight a long side with your freinds.

[Nickelback]

Yea like little gangs. So say some guy comes and attacks you, you can summon any online 'buddies' to come fight.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Oh god even more ideas? GSW is suposed to be a chatprogram with GS as it's main theme. It's really nothing more... Except the balloons! o.o

[Sea of Time]

Ideas are the only things keeping our hopes alive for GSW, Diddy, you can't take our ideas away. No matter how far-fetched they are.

And people, you have to know that none of this stuff will likely ever happen. As a matter of fact, there's probably only a 30% chance that GSW will get past beta.

[l3lueMage]

I have...given up hope on GSW...It was a good project but I dont think it will be done for another few years...